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[Tulac]

This was in Saudi Arabian newspapers... 30th Dec 2005

[Yobor]

Wowzaz. But the cartoon truly is excellent. I have a close Muslim friend, and he and I both agree we don't understand what the fuss is about.

[xcom freak]

I am not taking their side but i understand why moslims are doing this. It states in the Qoran that never should anyone personalise the prophet. That's why you don't see pictures in mosques. These cartoons are really disrespectful and humiliating for a beleiver.

And i think that christians should learn from what is happening now because christianity is being criticized daily and nobody is stepping up. It is unacceptable that in cartoons you see figures like Jesus being criticized (family guy, simpsons...).

[Himmler]

Originally posted by Yobor@Feb 7 2006, 12:03 AM
Wowzaz. But the cartoon truly is excellent. I have a close Muslim friend, and he and I both agree we don't understand what the fuss is about.

he must be a civilised muslim with a lesser faith in the coran(a.k.a open-minded)...their belief is all about violence

And i think that christians should learn from what is happening now because christianity is being criticized daily and nobody is stepping up. It is unacceptable that in cartoons you see figures like Jesus being criticized (family guy, simpsons...)

so what u are suggesting is "let's go in the streets and burn the people who made those cartoons"

well my friend...it has been a long time since they burned witches at at a stake...
cartoons are not killing anyone...fire does(or any type of assault)
it's not like someone attacked a mosquee...they were just some cartoons...i don't regret the fact that they had the guts to publish them...that opened up some minds...most of them work with the same principle for centuries...but time has changed

[xcom freak]

Originally posted by Himmler@Feb 7 2006, 01:21 AM
their belief is all about violence

They use religion to justify violence but their religion doesn't justify or even incite to violence.

The most violent part in the Qoran states that : you can only kill an infidel out of self defense. This is stated in every country's law books.

Plz don't be fooled by medias that only show couple of radicals pick up guns and burn ephigies

didn't see the edit till afterwars .

What i am saying that there should be more respect to religion specialy when shows have an audience that is in a 15-18 age group.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by Himmler@Feb 7 2006, 02:21 AM
he must be a civilised muslim with a lesser faith in the coran(a.k.a open-minded)...their belief is all about violence

Thank you for giving a perfect example of what I meant when I was talking about "extremist bullsh*t"... :w00t:

[Titan]

a little question: Have any of you guys even SEEN the pictures?
I have.. and man.. they are harmless.. You should have seen the Ecce Homo-photos a few years back here in sweden... noone went and killed anyone over those..

It's all cultural differences.

[xcom freak]

Originally posted by Titan@Feb 7 2006, 01:30 AM
a little question: Have any of you guys even SEEN the pictures?
I have.. and man.. they are harmless.. You should have seen the Ecce Homo-photos a few years back here in sweden... noone went and killed anyone over those..

It's all cultural differences.

I've seen em loved the ''stop we have no more virgins'' hilarious.

As stated before, any depiction of the prophet is prohibited and is considerd a direct offense to Islam.

[Chuck the plant]

Originally posted by Titan@Feb 7 2006, 02:30 AM
It's all cultural differences.

True. But those have nohing to do with religion per se.

At least -I- have yet to see muslims rioting in the streets of Paris, London, Berlin or Barcelona...

EDIT: And christianity still has some nutjobs who blow up abortion-clinics because they are against their belief, threaten people who work there etc.

[Himmler]

Originally posted by xcom freak+Feb 7 2006, 01:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (xcom freak @ Feb 7 2006, 01:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Himmler@Feb 7 2006, 01:21 AM
their belief is all about violence

They use religion to justify violence but their religion doesn't justify or even incite to violence.

The most violent part in the Qoran states that : you can only kill an infidel out of self defense. This is stated in every country's law books.

Plz don't be fooled by medias that only show couple of radicals pick up guns and burn ephigies

didn't see the edit till afterwars .

What i am saying that there should be more respect to religion specialy when shows have an audience that is in a 15-18 age group. [/b][/quote]
umm...i'll post some parts of the coran..in romanian...maybe abi can translate them ..if not i'll try to do it tomorrow
“Dar, cand lunile sfinte au trecut, atunci luptati si omorati paganii oriunde-i veti intalni, apucati-i, impresurati-i si panditi-i in toate modurile; daca se pocaiesc, se vor ruga in mod regulat si vor face acte de caritate regulate, atunci deschideti drumul pentru ei; caci Dumnezeu este iertator si milostiv” (Sura 9:5)
Adică islamicii trebuie să ucidă pe toţi cei care nu devin musulmani.
Porunca lui Alah, porunca lui Mahomed.
This one sais that muslims must kill all who are not converting to muslim(called the pagans)


“ Luptati cu aceia care nu cred in Dumnezeu si nici in ziua de apoi si nu considera oprit, ceea ce a oprit Dumnezeu si trimisul Sau, nici nu recunosc religia adevarata, (chiar daca ei sunt) oameni ai Cartii ( crestini si evrei ), pana cand nu vor plati jizya (tributul) si se vor supune de buna voie si vor fi supusi. Iudeii il numesc pe Uzair ( Ezra ) fiu al lui Dumnezeu, iar crestinii il numesc pe Mesia fiu al Lui Dumnezeu…Blestemul Lui sa cada asupra lor” (Sura 9:29-31)
Iată respectul Islamului faţă de creştini şi iudei, dar şi faţă de atei!
Fight with those who don't believe in God and the Judgement day and don't consider stopped what God and his Chosen have stopped, or don't know the true religion, people of The Book(christians and jews), until they will pay jizya(the tribute) and obey willingly and be subduced(-).The jude call Uzair(Ezra) son of God, and the christians call Mesiah the son of God...His curse will fall on them"

“ Pedeapsa pentru acei care au pornit razboi impotriva lui Dumnezeu si profetului Sau si lupta cu putere pentru nelegiuire, este executia, crucificarea, sau taierea mainii si piciorului din partile opuse, sau exilarea. Aceasta este rusinea lor in aceasta lume si o grea pedeapsa in cea viitoare, exceptand pe aceia care se pocaiesc inainte de a intra sub puterea voastra. In acest caz stim ca Dumnezeu este iertator si plin de indurare. O, credinciosule! Fa-ti datoria fata de Dumnezeul tau. Cauta cai de a te apropria de El si lupta cu putere pentru cauza Lui pentru ca sa poti prospera. “ (Sura 5: 36-38 )
the punishment for those who have started a war aguenst God and his prophet and fight with strenght for (outlaw) is execution, crucifiction or cutting the opposite limbs or exilation.this is their disgrace in this world and a hard punishment in the next one, excepting those who (-) before entering your power.do your duty to your God.look for ways to approach him and fight with strenght for his clause sa you can prosper.

basic translation