Well, Tomekk and I decided to go visit his friend who I heard is a graphics nut and a Counter Strike geek. ianfreddie07 = me. tomekkthe2nd = Tomekk. levente_pap = the guy we wanted to talk to
Part 1: OWNED IN MMOs
levente_pap: anyway,why dont you guys like mmorpgs?
ianfreddie07: 1. They're gay.
ianfreddie07: 2. They're grinding
levente_pap: besides that
tomekkthe2nd: They focus on grinding too much...
ianfreddie07: 3. They're repetitive
tomekkthe2nd: I pretty much agree with Ian
tomekkthe2nd: KILLKILLKILLQUESTKILLKILKILLKILLQUESTSHOPKILLKILLK ILL.
ianfreddie07: 4. Some don't even play, but BOT
ianfreddie07: 5. Their "innovative" features often border on PvP
levente_pap: well
levente_pap: you dont have to grind o.O
tomekkthe2nd: If you dont grind, you wont progress...
levente_pap: just when your not doing something else
ianfreddie07: When people are too lazy to grind in MMORPGs... they bot.
levente_pap: well train with friends
levente_pap: not grind..
tomekkthe2nd: Killing shitloads of monsters for xp = grind
levente_pap: or...get ahcks xD
ianfreddie07: See
levente_pap: hacks are fun
ianfreddie07: That's what gives MMORPGs double suckage
levente_pap: makes grind enjoyable
ianfreddie07: You actually HAVE TO USE HACKS to make the game enjoyable.
levente_pap: no,you only make grinding enjoyable
tomekkthe2nd: Try a singleplayer RPG, you'll noticed the difference.
ianfreddie07: Which is one of the most low-brow and worst things you can do to a game. Hack it.
ianfreddie07: Though cracking games is the best thing you can do =))
tomekkthe2nd: @Levi: Grinding and PVP is what most mmos are about...
levente_pap: i usually hate 1 vs 1
ianfreddie07: And showing off how well they pull off female characters...
tomekkthe2nd: You grind to pvp, pvp for ego, ego to brag. Really nice
levente_pap: i like clan vs clan though
ianfreddie07: So a modern MMO = Grinding, PvP, bragging rights, showcasing how well they do female characters
ianfreddie07: I will emphasize the 4th part
tomekkthe2nd: Each advert for every mmo has some hit chick in it...
tomekkthe2nd: It's not like that's a bad thing you know... :P
ianfreddie07: If the chick is real, it wouldn't be so bad.
ianfreddie07:
levente_pap: well if thats what it takes to get ppl to play mmos,then thats what tey'll use xD
ianfreddie07: Anyway, single player RPGs are better in terms of content and gameplay.
levente_pap: but...you can finish it
tomekkthe2nd: So?
ianfreddie07: So?
tomekkthe2nd: Replay value exists.
tomekkthe2nd: Let's take Arcanum for example
levente_pap: so it ends
tomekkthe2nd: You can be good or evil
tomekkthe2nd: You can use technology or magic
tomekkthe2nd: Each with it's unique builds
ianfreddie07: Let's take an MMORPG...
tomekkthe2nd: Then, you can choose another race to play
tomekkthe2nd: Get different comapnions and such
levente_pap: yea buts its almost the same again...
ianfreddie07: You can choose a PvP race
tomekkthe2nd: No its not.
ianfreddie07: You only follow ONE build
tomekkthe2nd: Each variable makes NPCs react diffrenetly to you.
tomekkthe2nd: You do other things
tomekkthe2nd: Unlock new stuff
tomekkthe2nd: Etc.
levente_pap: umm...i dont think you get a different boss for every class in the game
tomekkthe2nd: Dude it's not the boss
levente_pap: yes i understand
levente_pap: its different
tomekkthe2nd: Boss isn't the most important thing in the game...
ianfreddie07: Dude, it's called "play styles"
levente_pap: but
tomekkthe2nd: Even the ending might be the fucking same
levente_pap: the in the end
tomekkthe2nd: But the way you got there changes
levente_pap: you have to kill the same things
levente_pap: you did before
ianfreddie07: Same as MMOs
tomekkthe2nd: Did you ever play a good RPG?
ianfreddie07: When you grind, it's the same monster you kill.
tomekkthe2nd: Not MMO
levente_pap: umm
levente_pap: that game you gave me..
ianfreddie07: Then advancing levels then moving on to another set of monsters.
levente_pap: cant remember it
tomekkthe2nd: Which
tomekkthe2nd: NoX?
levente_pap: w8 -.-"
levente_pap: .....2
tomekkthe2nd: Diablo....
levente_pap: diablo!
levente_pap: yea x
levente_pap: D
tomekkthe2nd: That's an action RPG
tomekkthe2nd: Like your MMOs
tomekkthe2nd: not a real Computer RPG
levente_pap: they arent mine
tomekkthe2nd: "Your" as in what you play
ianfreddie07: Divine Divinity is a Diablo/CRPG hybrid.
ianfreddie07: It's amazing.
levente_pap: im sure it is
tomekkthe2nd: And yes
tomekkthe2nd: It has "primitive" 2D graphics
ianfreddie07: But you know, I wouldn't give a shit about graphics if the core gameplay is so fucking good
tomekkthe2nd: Graphics are the least of my worried
tomekkthe2nd: *s
levente_pap: well im a little different xD
ianfreddie07: That's why I play Doom (1993 FPS)
tomekkthe2nd: Except when it''s ASCII or Text
ianfreddie07: Because it's simple gameplay is phenomenally done
tomekkthe2nd: I replayed Doom like 100 times and I still dont get bored of the same maps
levente_pap: i like complicated gameplay,they confuse the noobs -> easy to own them
ianfreddie07: Give me an example of complicated gameplay
tomekkthe2nd: MMOs only get complicated do to the Builds and skill stuff that was ripped-off from Diablo
levente_pap: well lets take CS 1.6 as an example
tomekkthe2nd: LOL
ianfreddie07: OMFG
levente_pap: noobs usually hit the mouse button
ianfreddie07: And?
levente_pap: and the recoil effect appears
tomekkthe2nd: That's not complicated gameplay dude... that just requires practice.
levente_pap: then what do you call it?
tomekkthe2nd: Complicated is when you can upgade your gun, modify it, repair it.
tomekkthe2nd: A realisitc FPS...
levente_pap: oh i hate that too
ianfreddie07: Complicated is having different styles of play
levente_pap: fine,then i hate complicated too xD
ianfreddie07: Different ways to adapt to situations
ianfreddie07: So you conclude that CS is not realistic/
levente_pap: fell in cs you can addept in differentw as too
tomekkthe2nd: Yes, choose another gun, hide or run
ianfreddie07: How
tomekkthe2nd: Very complex
levente_pap: or throw a flash bang..
ianfreddie07: Makes little difference
levente_pap: or disconnect
tomekkthe2nd: Complicated it when you can
tomekkthe2nd: A)Run into his face and beat the crap out of him
tomekkthe2nd: B)Sneak around and backstab
tomekkthe2nd: C)Summon pets to pwn him
tomekkthe2nd: etc.
ianfreddie07: D)Shoot him then do a teabag
tomekkthe2nd: AKA different ways to do something
levente_pap: like in...mmos?
ianfreddie07: Wrong
tomekkthe2nd: Not just add an extra weapon
tomekkthe2nd: MMOs limit you to your class
tomekkthe2nd: (Ex: 2moons)
levente_pap: not all of them
ianfreddie07: Every MMO limits you to your own class.
ianfreddie07: Don't mention Runescape.
tomekkthe2nd: LOL
levente_pap: i wont
ianfreddie07: Good
levente_pap: heard of AQ worlds?
ianfreddie07: AdventureQuest?
levente_pap: its 2D,skills are within your armor
levente_pap: no
tomekkthe2nd: 2D Cardboard graphics style JRPG
levente_pap: no
levente_pap: its flash based :P
tomekkthe2nd: JRPG = japano****** rpg
ianfreddie07: There are some JRPGs that stand out
levente_pap: i see you never heard of it
ianfreddie07: Like EarthBound and their "scary" boss LOL
tomekkthe2nd: AQ Worlds = no idea, AQ = yes
levente_pap: so the main thing is,its mmo,flash based,you get skills with any armor you wear
levente_pap: so its not limited
ianfreddie07: Skills are armor dependent?
levente_pap: but anyway,its just an example
levente_pap: yes
tomekkthe2nd: Yes Ian
tomekkthe2nd: Take a "Pyromancer" armor and you get fire skills
ianfreddie07: wtf
tomekkthe2nd: Or take this "Mage armor" and get your wizard skills
levente_pap: yep
levente_pap: just like that,but
ianfreddie07: Take a "Sl0t" armor and you get to be an instant pr0nstar
levente_pap: you have to lvl the armor first
levente_pap: xD
tomekkthe2nd: Which is more retarded then D2's skill system
ianfreddie07: I don't find it appealing
levente_pap: it was just an example
ianfreddie07: I know
tomekkthe2nd: Fights also take forever in that game
levente_pap: that you arent that limited
levente_pap: its NOT AQ
levente_pap: its AQ worlds
levente_pap: a new mmorpg
tomekkthe2nd: 3D?
levente_pap: developed by battleon
levente_pap: 2d
levente_pap: much like dragon fable
ianfreddie07: WAIT
ianfreddie07: I played DF before
levente_pap: but you get to fight where you move too
tomekkthe2nd: Dragon Fable... ohh god
tomekkthe2nd: This is basically a cheesier dragonfable with actual multiplayer! w00t
ianfreddie07: Here's a retarded MMORPG idea: TURN BASED COMBAT
levente_pap: yes tomekk,its exactly that
levente_pap: well...iv never played one of those
tomekkthe2nd: AQ
tomekkthe2nd: DF
levente_pap: umm
tomekkthe2nd: Turn based aka wait for your enemy to bash you then do 1 action and repeat
ianfreddie07: Don't say it's not turn based
levente_pap: you mean fight players right?
ianfreddie07: LE SIGH
tomekkthe2nd: DF pvp = turn based yet again
levente_pap: oh right
levente_pap: i did pla them,but i didnt fight palyer
tomekkthe2nd: Thats not even real pvp
tomekkthe2nd: You just fight your opponent in basic gear
tomekkthe2nd: Unless he was a sucker to pay 30$
levente_pap: 20%
tomekkthe2nd: And your opponent doesnt even know it.
levente_pap: 20$*
tomekkthe2nd: Still, why pay 20$ just to let others fight you in normal gear?!
tomekkthe2nd: That's so retarded.
ianfreddie07: Milking money
levente_pap: i didnt pay for it xD
levente_pap: its not wearth it
tomekkthe2nd: Thats why I owned your char everytime in pvp :P
tomekkthe2nd: And you did mine I presume
levente_pap: xD
levente_pap: but even with armor
tomekkthe2nd: Cause all we got was a lvl1 sword and no armor bonuses
tomekkthe2nd: DF's armor is nothing
levente_pap: i could own you,cuz its an npc whos controlling you
ianfreddie07: I hate those "omfg the graphics suck this game sucks"
tomekkthe2nd: AQW's graphics actually look nice
levente_pap: yes it does
tomekkthe2nd: Totally my style: Simple 2D.
levente_pap: flash looks nice
levente_pap: but it lags like hell
tomekkthe2nd: ^^
levente_pap: dunno whats with my pc
levente_pap: everything works just fine
levente_pap: exept flash
tomekkthe2nd: My PC laggs as hell for java
levente_pap: not a problem,i dont sopose you play rs anymore xD
tomekkthe2nd: I wont play it ever again
ianfreddie07: @Levi: Which would you pick? A game like Arcanum or a MMORPG
ianfreddie07: State your reasons
tomekkthe2nd: He doesnt know Arcanum
tomekkthe2nd: Diablo doesnt count
levente_pap: i havent logged in for like...2-3 weeks,stupid jages made the graph gay...swords look like rubber,you walk like a pinguin
ianfreddie07: That's why I said: "like"
tomekkthe2nd: MMOs are based on Diablo in the first place
levente_pap: umm...i dont know what arcanum is xD
ianfreddie07: Ok...
levente_pap: gimme another example
tomekkthe2nd: Yo dont know any good CRPG, That's the problem
ianfreddie07: I'll post a screenshot of two games, wait.
levente_pap: ok
tomekkthe2nd: Ill do something too wait
ianfreddie07: Would you play something like this:
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shot...7768809-00.gif
levente_pap: ofcourse..
levente_pap: not xD
ianfreddie07: Why
tomekkthe2nd: Judgement by graphics
levente_pap: i usually played those games
levente_pap: when i had a 'd86
levente_pap: when i had a '486
tomekkthe2nd: Lol
ianfreddie07:
http://www.winsupersite.com/images/s...halo3_5_16.jpg
tomekkthe2nd: Halo 3?:P
ianfreddie07: I still don't know the reason why you won't play Fallout, Levi
ianfreddie07: Yeah
levente_pap: you know my name? xD
tomekkthe2nd: I said it by default here :P
ianfreddie07: Your Doom: Levi, it can be done right
levente_pap: and i would play halo 3 either
levente_pap: wouldnt
tomekkthe2nd: Halo 3 is a typcial console FPS, bad example Ian
ianfreddie07: Oh, sorry
levente_pap: stick to PC
ianfreddie07: FACE OFF 2
ianfreddie07: This
http://www.fourhman.com/reviews/images/divdiv1.jpg
levente_pap: well i would on 2 occasions
ianfreddie07: Or this
http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames...1/9dragons.jpg
levente_pap: 1: my pc crashed and i had to go back to p2
tomekkthe2nd: 9Dragons = 2moons in japan
tomekkthe2nd: or china
levente_pap: 2:im in an internet cafee
levente_pap: no
levente_pap: 2moons japan=dekaron
ianfreddie07: So you would rather play 9Dragons than DivDiv?
tomekkthe2nd: 2moons = korea....
levente_pap: 9dragons is enterely different
tomekkthe2nd: 9Shitheads takes place in medieval china/japan
tomekkthe2nd: With lovely fantasy elements added in to make it mainstream
levente_pap: i wouldnt play 9drags either,because id had to start from lvl 1 xD
levente_pap: and is kung-fu...
levente_pap: from what i heards
levente_pap: heard*
ianfreddie07: "i wouldnt play 9drags either,because id had to start from lvl 1 xD"
tomekkthe2nd: Soooo?
ianfreddie07: Everyone starts from LEVEL 1
levente_pap: yes,but
tomekkthe2nd: You had to grind to higher levels.... ohh, see?
levente_pap: if its the first game you start
levente_pap: you can dedicate your free time to it
levente_pap: you cant paly more then 2-3 mmos at a time
tomekkthe2nd: You can play 2-3 or more games at a time easily
tomekkthe2nd: Just not mmos, of course
levente_pap: and get owned all the time
ianfreddie07: It's just a matter of how you divide your time
tomekkthe2nd: LOL?
tomekkthe2nd: Owned in what
tomekkthe2nd: Singleplayer games dont own you like unfair mmos
levente_pap: in multiplayer ofcourse
levente_pap: i dont like singleplayer xD
tomekkthe2nd: I play 3 games in multi
tomekkthe2nd: UT, Halo, Diablo
levente_pap: it mekes me feel....
levente_pap: lonly
tomekkthe2nd: You never played a real singleplayer game before
levente_pap: lonely*
levente_pap: i did
levente_pap: hl1
ianfreddie07:
http://i37.tinypic.com/5bbdcz.jpg vs
http://i27.tinypic.com/2hyyqkz.jpg
ianfreddie07: Left or right?
tomekkthe2nd: Right
tomekkthe2nd: Anytime.
tomekkthe2nd: Not because of the graphics
tomekkthe2nd: That game rocks.
ianfreddie07: Atmosphere wins
ianfreddie07: @Levi: Would you pick the left or the right?
levente_pap: well from the looks,id choose the one that looks better
levente_pap: ofcourse
ianfreddie07:
http://gropingtheelephant.files.word...shock-2-02.jpg
tomekkthe2nd: Wait
tomekkthe2nd: there's a vid on youtube about that part
tomekkthe2nd: And yes Levi, those are ghosts
levente_pap: ghosts and phisics,it kepps getting better xD
tomekkthe2nd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1ctX...eature=related That scene is at the beginning
levente_pap: keeps*
levente_pap: its much like hl1
levente_pap: pretty cool,but looks complicated
tomekkthe2nd: What happened = chick gets turned into a "queen" for aliens by a possessed idiot
tomekkthe2nd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgpA9...related&fmt=18 check this music out
tomekkthe2nd: Wont this creep you out whilst you're running in small tunnels, being chased by zombies?
levente_pap: its would creep me out more if id be in space somewhere
tomekkthe2nd: The game takes place on a derelict space ship overrun by aliens
tomekkthe2nd: And you're the only survivor...
levente_pap: epic
tomekkthe2nd: Play it. It's scary as hell
levente_pap: fucking headset -.-"
levente_pap: keeps makeing wierd buzz
tomekkthe2nd: lol
ianfreddie07: sorry for the silence, I'm kinda doing something else ;p
tomekkthe2nd: :P
levente_pap: np :P
tomekkthe2nd: what now