Well those terms should aply to the people calling them selves patriots or nationalist - not to the term patriotism or nationalism it self. Neiter is alive and can't be good or bad!
Like a chair - it's a chair - there's no good or bad there. But if you sit on it it's good - but if you hit someone over the head with it it's bad.
But I guess we agree about it, so no use in splitting hairs (I almost ruined my eye site doing that - those things are so tiny...).
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