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Originally Posted by MuzzyF8

Corona virus is like hiv. When you are in good shape you can have it and don't even know that.

It's not.

Indeed AIDS suppresses your immune system, and it's some other disease that kills you. Covid operates nothing like that, but it attacks your respiratory system, just like flus or other corona viruses such as common colds, SARS, MERS etc (in increasing order of lethality). Indeed many cases survive or don't even develop serious symptoms, but just being healthy and young is no guarantee of this. In some cases, just like it happened with the Spanish Flu (not really from Spain) in 1918, death is caused by an overreaction of your immune system killing other organs besides your lungs, which were never attacked by the virus.

Still... did we had Pandemia and closed people when AIDS was discovered?

We should have, but it was late because AIDS was discovered when it had arrived in the USA, while it had come many years ago from Africa, where no one had paid attention or care to it. We could have gotten rid of it, and it would have been much easier than covid, because it spreads only by sexual contact. Whereas covid spreads extremely easily, both by people who suffer severe illness from it and by people who suffer little or nothing. Fortunately today the outbreak was detected *and contained* at the source in Wuhan, and we have all the information, so we have the chance to contain it, the question is which countries will and which will be afflicted.

Don't think that what's happening in Italy is the worst that can happen: over there the spread has just started (0.06% of the population) and they will probably succeed in containing it eventually.

In Poland official information which is given to the people tells that all people that died "because of coronavirus" had other illness.

Different countries have different levels of preparedness, knowledge and will to fight the virus. East Asia is obviously at the top, simply because they learned from SARS-1. The most sensible thing is to listen to the World Health Organization, if your local cacique contradicts it. Here in Holland the government started claiming that people without symptoms would not spread the virus even if they have it, which has since been proven terribly wrong; so they chose to allow tourists from Italy to return without quarantine; and that's the only reason we have an outbreak with 3,600 detected and many more undetected.

After this the Dutch government liked to imply that only or mostly old or previously sick people are vulnerable: every daily update said the age bracket of people killed by covid in Holland: the last three days it was between 63 and 95. Just today they have stopped informing of the ages, so you can bet your ass that someone younger than 63 or 60 died yesterday; and he or she must have been severely ill for many days before. The spread is still exponential. In Italy, Seattle USA, here in Holland and in other places, old people with severe covid are being not admitted into intensive care, basically leaving them for dead, because there are not enough beds or respirators, and they decide to give them to people with more chances. But if those younger, healthier people require intensive care in the first place, it's because they're severe and will die without it.