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Originally Posted by Smiling Spectre
As Japo already mentioned, site is in bad state, quite for a long time. So everything works by request. Not automatically. One man removes "download" link from main site, another kills correspondent link in forums, third will kill mentioned floppies in extras. If you think that for every _possible_ copyright notice we must thoroughly search all site for possible link - you are right. Theoretically speaking. Reality can be different - but not because we intentionally does it.
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Ok, since I'm not a regular visitor here I didn't know things were that bad. Still, one would expect that the person who kills one link would at least look at others on the same page, because otherwise for visitors like me it presents a real incongruous picture and leaves us confused. More importantly, does this sort of oversight not leave the site open to action?
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Originally Posted by Smiling Spectre
In reality it's not all smiles and rainbows. GOG recently put on sale System Shock 1. And know what? Full System Shock node on Abandonia, with English review and all extras, was killed silently by Abovo, by GOG request, and I personally had to reconstruct it back. Do you want _this_ way of things?
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Right, so first and foremost, was GoG making a simple polite request or demanding a takedown on legal grounds, i.e. with a DMCA notice? There is a difference, you know, again since GoG is not the copyright holder for the game. I can see you guys want to be extra careful, but the reaction of the mod as you yourself stated was ridiculously way over the top. Why would he delete
everything associated with the game, including its review? Weird. Also, ever since GoG started selling MK have you heard a peep from them about the floppy and CD (ISO) version downloads which are clearly mentioned on the game pages?
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Originally Posted by Smiling Spectre
If we will not be careful, we will get it. Regardless of what _you_ thinks about copyright holders.
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Ok, once you guys have decided to remove the links after all (whether it's proactive or in response to a request from GoG), don't you yourself find it strange that despite the vital importance of being careful more attention is not being paid? Surely if the site's very existence depends on it then much more care is required? Maybe it's time to appoint some passionate dependable community members as new mods...
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Originally Posted by Smiling Spectre
Problem is, whole copyright system is blind colossus that can utterly destroy everything that got his attention, willingly or occasionally, regardless of actual crimes. And GOG _already proven_ itself to have attention about games that it sells. I was participating in one abandonware site, Underground Gamer. They was extra-careful, had closed registration and never published any game newer than ten years old. And it was torrent site, so, strictly speaking, they didn't publish anything at all!
And site was killed in a week after report of some suspicious game (if I am not mistake, it was Disney note, but I am not sure).
Do you want Abandonia to be killed this way? I am not. So let sleeping dogs lie.
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Obviously I have no intention of seeing Abandonia being killed off, far from it. That said, with a site of this nature you must admit it is permanently on slippery ground anyway. Just as happened with UG, the same can happen any day here no matter how careful you try to be, if some copyright holder whose IP this site is illegally distributing decides to wake up and target it. I have more to say on this subject but will refrain because how you guys run the site is ultimately your choice, and it seems like just a few of you loyal members are running the show if the site's in such a bad state as you mention.
Thanks for reading and good luck with the site!