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Originally posted by plix+Mar 9 2006, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (plix @ Mar 9 2006, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Frames are a very limiting answer to that question (since they'll screw up the page flow and are only useful if the "other" table is flush against one of the sides of the page). You can't be seriously suggesting that the way to do horizontal alignment / block flow properly -- or even sanely -- is using frames? [/b][/quote]
why not?
by the way.. why do you mean by "<the "other" table is flush against one of the sides of the page>"

You don't have to be tricky for frames to work in IE; they simply doesn't work at all for any browser which doesn't support them.
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can you give me an example, which USED browser doesnt support frames?

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page doesnt have to reload after every click (this is great agreegment if one frame is something "big" to load)

If the frame is something "big" to load other than text it's cached anyway. However, if you have an enormous amount of text data in a navigation frame it's probably time to rethink your navigation.
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wht if you want or need to have it?
dont tell me its not useful then!

As for all these examples, I've yet to see any of you give me any sort of compelling reason with your examples why it justifies all the pitfalls. Aesthetics isn't a very good reason since none of those sites are particularly good looking. If you want a real example of a site which benefits visually from frames try k10k; just don't try and use it as an example (it's a design site and is going for visuals above all else, including usability).

all the sites can be remade from php or css to frames and reversal