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The Niles 06-02-2006 09:52 AM

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Playbahnosh 06-02-2006 09:58 AM

Niles... you should see a doctor...no, really <_<

The thing is this topic is something that can incite serious emotions from people. Religion is a very delicate think because everyone has an opinion about it. And you can't possible talk about it without hurting somebody's religious beliefs...

Well dude, I just wanted to tell you this, no offense :ok:

The Niles 06-02-2006 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 6 2006, 10:58 AM
Niles... you should see a doctor...no, really <_<
what is that supposed to mean?

Tulac 06-02-2006 10:04 AM

No this cartoon really portraits Muslim hypocracy in the best way possible... :ok:
Really it's great!

Playbahnosh 06-02-2006 10:05 AM

^edited my post...

The Niles 06-02-2006 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tulac@Feb 6 2006, 11:04 AM
No this cartoon really portraits Muslim hypocracy in the best way possible... :ok:
Really it's great!

That was what I thought when I saw this.



And to Playbahnosh, you are right. When you live in a free world you are going to get your feelings hurt. The trick is to live with it. Freedom of religion begins with freedom of speech.

Sebatianos 06-02-2006 10:27 AM

Well, this cartoon is slightly odd... The thing is that the person (nation, religious group) that feels deprived will always overreact at a single thing that could be offencive - but will be very offencive themselves (just compare the attitue in the USA: When a white person would be trying to find excuses for slavery - how would the black community react? If a middleaged men would comment that women should stay at home taking care of kids - how would the feminists react? And so on...). It's more or less the same.

I do however feel a certain anti-muslim attitude here... Not that I'd care (atheism has a clear privilege in this situation).

Still I find the cartoon amusing (nothing more or nothing less).

Tulac 06-02-2006 10:34 AM

I know Muslims who live in Europe for generations (Bosnians) and who are moderate, so I guess my sentiment isn't anti-Muslim but more anti Arab, because most of the Arab countries support fanaticism, at least hidden...
And they are waaay too intolerant to have any right to object to this matter in the way they did, which the cartoon clearly shows (again I am talking about Arab countries, not all Muslim people)...

Himmler 06-02-2006 10:46 AM

this cartoon actually makes sense...
after those cartoons were published it really showed how far the muslims are from the civilised world...they didn't even heard of freedom of speech....but that was WAAAY too stupid...why the hell should you burn an embassy for some cartoons :eeeeeh: :eeeeeh: :eeeeeh:


why didn't christians react the same when they saw Jesus in a cartoon?

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ("playbanosh")</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Niles... you should see a doctor...no, really dry.gif

The thing is this topic is something that can incite serious emotions from people. Religion is a very delicate think because everyone has an opinion about it. And you can't possible talk about it without hurting somebody's religious beliefs...

Well dude, I just wanted to tell you this, no offense[/b][/quote]


...have you watched the news lately?

Sebatianos 06-02-2006 10:51 AM

Well, it's stil a prejudice but... At least you're giving some of them the benefit of a doubt. Naturally no one has a right to protest in such a way as they did (burning down ambasies) - that's pure and simply a criminal act of agression (and the countries would have a legitimet right to delare war on them). An attack on an embasy is an attack on the sovereignity of that country.

Still the situation is slightly more complex. It's got quite a lot to do with the world devision. The reasons muslim countries (especially the Arab world) is reacting the way it is are very similar to those in newly funded European countries in the second half of the 19th century (Germany and Italy) who were protesting against the colonial supremacy of Britain and France.

Regular citizens of European countries aren't daily concerned with how much more they have then regular people in Arab countries, nor do they daily realize how much of what they have is at the expense of somebody else.

It's the deprived people that see the daily injustice in this and that's they are way more sensitive to such "sacrelidges". It's simple and easy being colturally open and tolerant- when you're well taken care off. Even the homeless bums have certain rights and can get a warm shelter and at least one warm meal a day in Europe. On the other hand poor countries (here I'm not talking about Saudi Arabia) still feel famine. If a country is at the bottom (I'm talking Somalia now) then people can't even think about some foregin country (except if they have a chance to escape there). But countries that are just getting wake feel deep injustice (that's one of the reasons there was a 100 year war between England and France - among other things - because England felt deprived).

So even now there are two sides of the medal!


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