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Japo 09-02-2012 07:48 PM

Exact same situation as:


Originally Posted by Japo (Post 439523)

This can be considered a freeware fan retro clone, but considering that it was made for MS-DOS in 1995, I would think it's Abandonia material in its own right, no matter that it was made by an individual for fun instead of a corporation. It's a "clone" but so are all the Pacmans, Space Invaders, etc. released commercially a decade earlier.

So I myself have little doubt that this should be approved and preserved. I would however like to hear what other request mods and updaters think.

HOWEVER it may be that it's OK by our rules, but not by the owner's, and not because he doesn't make it available for free. These are the license restrictions:


For free distribution the archives of these games MUST NOT be modified in ANY way.

You are free to host these files on your website PROVIDED you include a link back to this page.

These games MUST NOT be included in ANY kind of self-extracting installer or archiver.


These games can only be distributed for NON-PROFIT purposes. This specifically excludes any and ALL embedded advertising, banners, linking or any other activity which results in commercial gain.

This means NO SALES and NO AUCTIONS of this software.
Ouch, touché. This guy would be even more disgusted by Abovo's ads than I am. And with Studentis/Abovo, Abandonia is no longer "non-profit".

If we conclude this is approved by our rules, we can write the guy asking him for permission to host it at Abandonia as a special case, which he might concede or not.

The Fifth Horseman 09-02-2012 10:01 PM


This specifically excludes any and ALL embedded advertising, banners, linking or any other activity which results in commercial gain.
This specifically excludes any sites other than charity ones funded entirely from the owner's pocket.
On a second thought, that means it excludes pretty much any modern website.

At any rate, this is Reloaded material through and through. We have an understanding to not step on each other's toes, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Japo 09-02-2012 10:51 PM

OK it's an arbitrary distinction line, but it can make sense, specially if the game can be in one of the two websites at least, and since minimizing overlapping is good in itself as you say. If some other mod/updater/admin says his opinion we can decide this right away, negatively if necessary.

To me too this guy's zeal against advertising and profit seems excessive, and expecting his restrictions to hold after he puts the game freely online is absurd, but it's his call, and it should be others not Abandonia or AR who trespassed these restrictions. It's not only the ads, both Abandonia an AR were considered "non profit" in Kosta's time, despite having ads for self-sustenance, but both--AR too--are clearly (and now blatantly, but I'm talking about a qualitative not quantitative difference) "for profit" since Studentis took over (even before they put the first advertisement). If I were Frodo I would ask the owner for permission all the same, not that it matters, except for respecting his wishes that he's entitled to, without waiting for him to find out for himself about the distribution.

Japo 11-02-2012 07:50 PM

REJECTED as a non commercial fan retro remake/clone. It will go on Reloaded.

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