Lands of Lore - The Throne of Chaos
 

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Review

Nice game....

Kickass! Who finally got the screenshots up?

Very nice game , sadly i played these games ages ago on another place... but i guess thats the way of it hehe

Thanks for putting it up though

Huzzah!!! Finally! This game is so good, I can't believe Abandonia has waited till now to get it. But hey, now it's on here and all is good. This is by far the best of this kind of RPG's ever made. I won't be downloading it because I have the cd myself (voiced by Patrick Stewart :)), but I'll recommend everybody else who doesn't have the cd download it right away.

A big thanks to Omuletzu and Bobbin!

*edit*

HUZZAH! HUZZAH! HUZZAH!

The joy never ends.

*edit again*

The review says this version has speech included. Surely that can't be true when it's only 12 MB?

mmm i made the review for my version of the game(full iso), and i am not aware of the contens of the uploaded package... if it lacks speech, somebody(Seba :whistle:) should correct the error within the review :angel:

Strobe and me discussed this matter. Actually the floppie-version HAS some speech. Alas, it's only in the intro and (few) other scenes. So we decided to leave the sentence in the review as is.

EDIT: I'm not sure if it is Patrick Steward's voice, however.

It is his voice.

GREAT GAME!
I also have the CD-Version myself, so I won't download it, but it's surely one of the best games ever.

Great game, but like many others here, I have the version with full speech :D

i think we can keep the review the way it is, because it actually features speech,
even if not as much as the cd-version (just like bobbin explained above).

most of the screenshots were taken by omuletzu, but i have added some of mine...

A first rate game. Never played lands of lore 2 or 3 however. How do they compare to Lands1? Could abandonia get them?

Lands of Lore 2 - Guardians of Destiny is great, I think. At least I enjoyed it, too. Epic story and very cool music, especially in the later stages of the game. But the game consists of 4 CD's - I doubt it will make its way here, even if it's abandoned already, which could be wrong yet.

As i understand it, Lands of Lore 2 was made only for windows.... so it should be inferior to the first part, but i could be wrong

Actually, they were not. Give credit where it's due. ;)

Anyway, glad the game has finally made it to the site!

sorry mad-e-fact, but other than the screenshots i've taken myself i found the
rest in omuletzu's incoming folder, so i couldn't help assuming that he'd done
these, you know?

if they should be yours, i apologize for this misunderstanding and hereby
set the facts straight! :D


as for the lands of lore sequels, i've played the second part (guardians of destiny)
a long time ago, but somehow it didn't manage to convince me...

Great job mad e fact!
Those are not my screens, strobe, i was shocked to find them in my ftp folder, but they were not taken by me
So :ok: :ok: mad e fact!

Probably just as shocked as I was when Seb told me that he couldn't find them in my FTP folder, and he had no idea what happened to them. Very, very suspicious... :sneaky: At least now we know that they weren't lost. ;)

Unfortunately i cannot use DosBox due to limited CPU power (you know P3), so if anyone has managed to make it work on winXP tell me, I am so tired playing solitaire all the time :yawn:
New games need a lot of power, old games need either very slow pc or monster pc, I am somewhere between dead and alive :P hehehe where nothing is possible :ranting:

I'd suggest trying VDMSound. Ít doesn't drain nearly as much cpu power as Dosbox.

unfortunately i have to tell you that on both, vdm and windows, i couldn't
manage to get the game working!

even though the intro scene and the hero selection are displayed as usual,
afterwards a black screen appears and won't vanish...

I fiddled around with VDMSound a bit, and eventually browsed the net to find a solution. I found this patch, and using that it worked. It even worked in pure xp, but without sound of course. It also turns out that the version here on Abandonia is the US floppy release (that was the only patch that worked).

Hi everybody, great site you got here. I downloaded the game and when i get to the part where the heavily bearded guy asks for the password i hit enter and the letter h comes up and then he doesnt accept it. Wondering if anybody knows what to do about that.

where exactly does this "password guard" appear?

Whenever you try to re-enter the castle, it asks for a page #, line #, word # for the passcode.

ähm... that will be my fault. simply forgot about that copy protection. i'll take care of it asap

in the meantime i have a link for anybody who needs some maps/advice for
Lands of Lore:

http://www.the-spoiler.com/RPG/Westw...nds.of.lore.1/
http://www.thecomputershow.com/computersho...oflore1walk.htm

EDIT: as the manual is for download now, I reduced this monster-post to just one sentence:

for copy-protection you have to download the manual.

ok, that were two sentences.

three...


argh! :wall:

bobbin....that's :ok: :kosta: :Brain: :cheers:

:blink: Wow! nice response time guys! thanks for the help bobbin.

AFTER I RETURN TO GLADSTONE KEEP THE GUARD ASKS ME QUESTIONS ON THE MANUAL..COPYRIGHT PROTECTION...ANY CHANGE ON GETTING A MANUAL..THIS GAME ROCKS. oh crap nvm LOL

thanx for the manual!

Anyone know if Lands of Lore 2 is abandonware? IF so, where can I get it?

Also, I have a crack for Lands of lore, to stop that copy protection guard. I'll upload it to the FTP server in my MrBackAlleySka folder

L o L II is still sold at e-cdrom. it's way too large (4 cds) anyway.

Umm, i cant use item, or don't understand how can someone help me. :blink:
I also can't seem to get the password right

what is the item you can't use, or what do you want to do?

the manual for the password protection is posted above. this should help you out.

if you mean using helth items, just drag and right click them on portrait, keys just drag and left click on key hole..

Healing items manual isn't very clear about how to use them or i got a bug.

I've been trying to use it however its not the right word or i'm doing it wrong.

Both are probably mistakes on my part but...

Normally you just have to count the pages, lines and words. The page number is given below the single pages. This is the only problem i could think of. In addition you get the first letter of the wanted word, which should also give you a clue which word is the right one. Be sure to count all lines (even headlines).

Ahh below... that would explain what I'm doing wrong :whistle: , still don't know how to use the healing items though.

beutiful beutiful game. played all 3 parts of lands of lore, but the first one is the best to my opinion. :ok:

How about some gameplay discussion...

Who's your favorite character to play with? The first time I played throught his game I used Conrad, (WAY back in the day, this was the first game I got for my Pentium 1 66MHz), and found the game to be easiest with either him, or Michael for the advantage of brute force

So, this time, I'm going with Kieran. He makes it much more challenging to survive the early encounters! However, I seem to rememeber the orginal manual claiming that with a little work Kieran had the most potential, and would be the more powerful of the heroes if you could keep him alive to the later stages of the game. So, I'm anxious to see how Kieran compares with endgame Conrad or Michael. Michael especially seemed to suffer in the late game, it seemed to me, when powerful magic became very useful, and awesome weapons made his brute strengh not as much of an advantage. After all, "Justice" is a powerful sword whether it's being wielded by Michael or Ak'Shel!

The thing I remember most about theis game was learning a very useful RPG lesson: always strip your party-mates right before you're going to part ways with them! I remember the first time I finished the first trip to Roland's and left Timothy behind before heading to the Draracle...all i could think about was all the great stuff he had, (not really great stuff at that stage of the game, but it seemed like it at the time!). So, after dragging that girl out of the Draracle's cave, (Lara? was that her name?), I was SURE to remove all her gear before we said goodbye. I think about that everytime I play any RPG now, and always remove characters' stuff before I do anything that might cause us to part ways....

I played this game long time ago and this is a great game. Maybe one of the first RPG's that i finished.
First time around i played conrad and this time around i again seem to be liking conrad.
I just want to know about skills ... how to improve ROGUE skill ? fighter increases by meleeing foes. Mage increases by using magic on foes. But what about rogue how does that skill increase ?

About kieren being good late game i agree with that. Most probably she will get some sort of stealth ability or backstab bonus damgage or avoidance something like that which willl help greatly late game. Its just a guess though.

It took me a long time to figure out how to increase rogue skill, too. It increases a little from lockpicking, but the best way to do it is to use bows. How practicing with a bow makes you better at bluffing I'll never know, but there it is...

On my first time through this game, the character who ended up with the highest rogue level was the four-armed Thumgog, strangely enough! I had him equipped with a sword in one weapon hand and a crossbow in the other, so every time he swung it would increase both skills!

This time for a little more of a challenge, I think I'll make the Thumgog a pure mage instead of fighter. A fighter is really the easiest way to go for him, given his racial advantages and natural talents, but according to the story he's given up the martial ways of his people and is more interested in being a mage. So, since I'm the kind of nerd who actually cares about his RPG characters' feelings, I think it will be fun to give him his wish and not take the easy way out by just slapping two big swords on him and swinging away.

So, I'll have Kieran for rogue stuff, the Thumgog (why can't i remember his name?) as the mage, which leaves Paulson as the tough guy, (once I pick him up, of course). To me, this is a good setup if you're interested in a challenge, and in roleplaying characters according to their personalities.

On the flip side, I'd say the powergamer setup would be to pick Ak'Shel, get him a bow early to boost his rogue level, and make Mr. Thumgog pure melee, maximizing his racial advantages. So, you've got a tough fighter, a powerful caster who can also handle the rogue tasks, and picking up Paulson will just be icing on the cake.

All this brings back another memory of this game... poison stinks! I remember getting poisoned and having no choice but to rest until the character died, then healing him back to life, if I didn't have any cures. Then came those wondeful immune to poision Bezel rings, but the stupid Thumgog's fingers were too fat for them, so the poor guy was always dying from poison...sigh...

the manual is now ready to download. click the "Manual" link in the extras box
which is on the review page of Lands of Lore.

The Thumgog's name is Bacaata, if remember correctly ;)
Btw. any of you remember that two gates at the very entrance to Scotia's Castle (after finishing the war with one of the weird races and helping other) that can't be opened, entered or bashed, but where it was visible there's something behind them? The weird thing is, you aren't supposed to enter them in the game oficially at all, BUT you can. All you have to do is to save the game, exit it, hexedit the savegame on the location where the position of the group is saved (little experimenting needed there, easy way is to save the game, move to the next tile and save another game, then compare the games in DOS) so you end up now BEHIND the gates.
The bonus in that - there a pretty cool two-handed sword you can get there, not as powerful as best one you get on usual way, but almost, and it has another name. Now the question is - why would that sword be there if the player isn't supposed to be able to reach that place...

Ahh here goes. THE best game of its kind imho. Thanks for reminding me to look up my CD (I don't think I can play it without the very well done speech anymore without feeling kinda disappointed, but if I can't find the CD I might anyway :))

:Brain:

Lands of Lore!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first RPG I played many years ago with my first PC, a 386 DX 40MHz with 512 Kb video card and 4MB RAM. HA HA! What a time!
I completely loved this game and though lacking extended character creation, is one of my favourite games ever!

But I would like to ask for those of you that finished the game, about a bug that I encountered twice in the past.

Remember the 4 gold pyramids that you have to find to save the king?

When you have the three of them I think, Scotia finds you, transformed in a beautiful lady and something asks you to do. I don't remember what she says. If you don't trust her, she transforms into a lizard and attacks you. If you defeat her, she transforms into a crow and flyes away, leaving behind the last pyramid. If you don't fight her, you don't get the last pyramid and you find it later in a castle inside a drawer in a wall. But you cannot pick it up!
The pyramid remains in the wall and you cannot get it in any way.

Has anyone encountered the above problem?

Hi guys, it really seems i can't make this game work. After i download it i can only select the player because as soon as i choose the dude to play with and click to go ahead and start the quest....i got the screen all black and thanks for coming out..!
I see you talked about it before and some guy posted a link to a patch and i downloaded it as well...what now? Will u be so kind to tell me exactly what i have to do to be able playing this game on my dumb behind pentium? Thanks.

Hi yall

If anyone should prefer the full version it's available at HOTU :cheers:

Help! The game doesn't work for me! After I choose my guy, the screen goes black and all I hear is this annoying beeping sound! ARGH!

Actually the one on HOTU is the same as this one. Im thinking this one is compressed better.

Modified by Omuletzu
Reason: Message indirectly linking to sites that host oldwarez

I really must have the compressing utility then :D

The version at HOTU is a download of 111 mb, and really does claim to be a full version.

Modified by Omuletzu.^
Reason: See above.....|

Hmmm...VERY Odd. The version here is smaller, has few voices, and no commentary about the game history, and the version at HOTU is BIGGER< has the same exact voices, at the same exact places as this one (No more, no less) and has no commentary. However the ISO has the nearly the same amount of memory as the one from HOTU, and has ALL the voices, and the commentary.... :eeeeeh: So, what the fffff? Guess they ripped the CD version and coincidentally it was the same as the floppy version LOL

Lands of Lore is a great game indeed, but i encountered another copy-protection:

In the white tower basement, the ghost of an old woman asks you about the word of faith, which can be found on pageX lineX wordX in the Book of Lore.
I remember this book: (curse me that I haven't got my original CD Version anymore) It dealt with the creatures and the history of the lands.
If anyone could upload the book just like the manual, this would be great!
Otherwise I cannot play any further :(

The version here is the US floppy version. AFAIK HOTU provides some CD-rip, as the original ISO has about 150 MB. Alas, I don't know the HOTU-version, so I can't tell which parts got ripped off. (We all know about HOTU's download ratios and the bittorrent links aren't really faster).
*grrrr Modified by Omuletzu
Reason: See above...

yay another beutiful westwood game :D

Okay, I can't promise this will help you, but it worked for me, so here goes:

1) Download the patch from the site I linked to. Make sure it's the US version.
2) Extract the zip file to the game directory and run the PATCH.exe file.
3) Run setup.exe with VDMSound and choose Soundblaster Pro.
4) Run Lands.exe with VDMSound.

I got the black screen before patching the game, and it worked after patching it, so I think this should work for you too. If it does, please let us know, because then it would probably be a good idea to include the patch in the download, or at least link to it on the game page.

Im confused how to get past Scotia's Barrier and finding a way around that slug thing in the mines. Seems like I've tried everything, but I could be wrong.

Dont you need some kind of cube thing for that? cant remember if thats right
its been SO long

The Slug-Thing in the mine can only be killed using a green skull. It can be found in a treehole in the Opinwood. Another one is in a chest in the Upper Opinwood.
The Cube to destroy Scotias barrier is located at the very end of the mine.

Oh and collect every emerald blade, that you find, you'll need them!

Well, just sign up there and download it ^^ I'd offer my own account to let everyone sign up with, but the name and password is the same as mine on abandonia hehe.

GREAT GAME INDEED!BREATHTAKING GRAPHICKS FROM WESTWOOD STUDIOS!I NEARLY FINISHED THE GAME BUT HOW TO KILL MORGANA.IT HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE RING OF TRUTH BUT HOW TO USE IT.WHEN MORGANA CHANGE TO THE RED BIG UGLY DRAGON ONLY MAGIC SEEMS TO WORK.I CAST ALL OF OF MY POWERSPELLS AND SHE REFUESES TO DIE. PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW TO DO IT RIGHT?WHY NORMAL ATACK DOES NOT WORK?IS SHE SOMEHOW SHIELDED TO WEAPONS?HOW TO USE THE RING?THANK´S. :wall:

Actually I tried the green skull and it didnt work, but I tried all the different blades and found that the little curved ones work. Can't think what they're calkled right now though. I can go to every part of the mine since I can ifgure a way to start the machine and to unlock a couple of doors down there. Im kinda figuring that I was supposed to use the key the skeleton dudes drop, but I used it on another chest by accident so I hope that's not the key I needed.

As far as I know you cannot "misuse" a key.
The mines are quite tricky. There is a place, where two blue wheels are at the walls. Just a few steps further a button in the wall activates the combination defined by the wheels.
I'm not sure, but i think u have to use the wheel on the north wall once, then press the button, to open a portal and a pit.
It is importaint that you make use of both to acces the whole mine.

I ran into the same copy protection as Cayel did.. I'm in the White Tower, talking to an old woman, who asks

"What is the word of faith? You may find it on page X, line X word X of the Book of Lore (count all lines including titles)."

The Book of Lore must be a different book than the manual, because it asked for page 18, when the manual only has 17 pages. Help!!!!!

TIA

Well If you can't misuse a key, then what did you use to open the door in the bottom 2nd floor down in the mines. I am pretty sure that it was probably the key that the skeletons dropped. I used it on a chest that said "Hmmm....empty" right away. The glitch probably made it so that I could open the chest, but not see it's contents since I used that key. plus I don't think I can go on without being able to open that door. Its the door right by the stairs where you can hear those little miner dudes inside. :wall: Ah well. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be happy to know. Otherwise I don't think I can continue this game and if others come across the same thing it will add confusion to them as well. :angry:

That chest is supposed to be empty. To get the key you need, you must first activate the pumping machine on the first level of the Mines. Then you must go to Mines level 2 and go to the stairs that were flooded (the only stair down in this level). I think I know virtually everything about the game. Feel free to mail me at [EDITED]

Ran into the same issue in the basement of the White Tower - copy protection asking for various pages from the Book of Lore. Looks like this also came with the original game along with the manual.

Don't suppose anyone has it?

The game is protected, it ask a word from the manual, but it doesen´t work... anyone can help me? :wall:

Yeah, I got it... somewhere. But I'm not going to type over the entire manual if you don't mind. :tomato:

I would definitely not ask that - thankfully it seems the developers didn't feel like inputting that either.

However, if I could get you to fill in the below words, anyone playing the game should be able to get by the copy protection in an average of ~2 tries. Looks like the developers didn't put in that many possible words :)
<pre>
page line word firstletter
1 2 2 s
1 3 4 s
4 3 3 m
5 2 5 p
5 5 4 d
6 3 4 k
6 4 1 p
7 1 5 h
8 4 1 s
9 3 1 g
10 3 3 t
11 2 5 m
14 1 1 r
14 2 1 s
14 2 1 s
15 4 2 g
16 2 1 l
16 3 3 c
</pre>

Where do you download the manual at? I can't get past the stupid guard to get back in the castle! Thanks :ranting:

You can download it here if i'm correct...just go to the download page for the game...

I have to admit though, I played this (Great) game a while back without speech and really enjoyed it...I'm replaying it now from the version they have at the Underdogs (with speech etc...). It's the Mutts nuts if I do say so myself...

Ayhankyaw... :bye:

Ok, here you are...

page line word password
1 2 2 state
1 3 4 sentient
4 3 3 maintain
5 2 5 pride
5 5 4 dies
6 3 4 known
6 4 1 powers
7 1 5 heretics
8 4 1 spanned
9 3 1 golden
10 3 3 twice
11 2 5 muck
14 1 1 r --> magic (first letter is incorrect)
14 2 1 spellbook
15 4 2 generations
16 2 1 located
16 3 3 course

Have fun! :cheers:

Thank you sir!

LOL Please don't call me sir; I'm only 20 years old you know! LOL

Something really bad happens to me when I was playing this. At the end of the Urbish Mine level when I've found Paulson he joins to my crew and behind a secret doors I've found his armour and other equipment. But I didn't find the Vaelan's cube, which according to walkthrough I should find there. Unfortunately I saved the game in this place.
It has to be some kind of a bug. I cannot move further without that cube. If someone has a saved game in this place or somewhere not far away from it mail it please to [EDITED]. Or if someone knows any other solution for this I will apreciate it. Thanks.

Haha, you're one of thousands of people who fell for that one. If you find Paulson before Dawn, Dawn will give you the Cube instead.

at first sorry for my bad english. i'm no english or american.

so i have a problem! i've xp. so when i try to run lands of lore with vdmsound
the game ends after i've selected a character. if i try to run it with the dosbox
it says i need 500000 bytes space to run it... but i've much more than 500000 bytes... why it doesn't work?! i want to play lands of lore because i've played lands of lore 2 in the past. and i loved it!!

PLS HELP ME!

If you can read a bit of German, you might find a solution at http://37852.rapidforum.com. Strangly enough, LOL runs perfectly under WinXP, with the exception of slow music, on my computer...

I finally have the lands of lore trilogy complete, thank you abandonia!

okay, now i'm feeling really stupid, i went to the download page for the game and can't find the manual anywhere!!! :eeeeeh:

You can find it at the page with the review and ratings! :ok:

damn this big guy dose not like the password that I provid. :cry: Lets check

p12 l3 w5 is "and"... damn I am almost going to finish typing the whole manual....

This password thing is really annoying. There is no way to pass this guy. To be sure are we playing the same game and using the same manual... LOL

In my old 486 days I had (still have ^^) a version of LOL 1 without any anoying codes. BTW, I read at some place that one of the maker of the game have planes to make a 4, 5 and a 6, but they havn't time right now...


//Znott

Hey. I've this problem when I find Paulsen. After I've talked to him and got the key, then when I press the exit button and return to the mine the game crashes. Have anybody encountered this bug before? Lora is with the crew, can that be the problem since she was supposed to be with Dracela (whatever his name was), the game migth crash because it can`t add Paulsen since she is there... :help: .??Help! :help:

How did you manage that She stayed with your party ? It have newer happened to me..

Did you enter draracles cave when you had talked to draracel and were going back to the castle!?!

Im still confused how to get past the mine. I think I may have needed the key the skeletons dropped but used it on a chest and it took it. All the other chests were pickable and that one was probably too. I can't get into a couple of doors in the mines right now, because one needs a key and one, the button doesnt work. Can find the blur wheel things to start the machine since I can't even open the doors. I was told that the machine drains a flooded stairwell, but I havent even seen a flooded stair case. I wish I didn't save it because the way I see it now, there is nothing else I can do.

The flooded stairway is at Mines Level 2. It's almost directly west of your starting point. Also, it's the only stair leading down in this level.

Can you tell me which door you can't open because of a button that doesn't work?

How did you manage that She stayed with your party ? It have newer happened to me.. [/b][/quote]
He used a trainer to walk through walls. First, he visited the Draracle without Lora. Then, he went to the place where you find Lora. This place is now sealed off by a wall. By walking through this wall, you can still take Lora with you to the Southern continent.

Heh, don't cheat and you won't have any problems :D

Well seeing how the stair case leading to the little miner dudes and the bouncing dogs isn't flooded when I am playing, that probably means I have had a glitch that messed the game over. Im figuring it was one of two things. "Misused the key the skeleton's dropped", or "Past the slug at the entrance without killing it right away, and went into the mine while it was still alive." I did kill the slug later though. Im assuming the mine level 2 you are refering to is the level with the locked door that I cannot get it. The stair was never flooded there. So Im just moving away from this game and am going to try my hand at simulation gamez. I know otherz have alot of other problems with this game and Im not gonna be a pussy and bitch about it any further. ~PEACE~

Wait, I know what the problem is! The door you talked about can be opened, by closing the one you came through!

Do you know how to get the first woman you meet in the forest in your group? She seems very Goooodddd.... :bleh:

Isn't that Scotia?

Isn't that Scotia? [/b][/quote]
I am not sure, perhpas one could meet her in late game... Hmm what would a beautiful young woman be doing on a road like this?

If I'm not mistaken that's Scotia. Isn't she supposed to turn into a crow and fly away or something?

:Brain: yes that is she... do you find her in another place? I was going to say to don't fly away my small beautiful bird, but unfortunatly she turned into a crow, so I changed my mind...

:Brain: yes that is she... do you find her in another place? [/b][/quote]
You must not have been following the story very closely. :)

Scotia is the big baddie in this game.

You must not have been following the story very closely. :)

Scotia is the big baddie in this game. [/b][/quote]
What a pitty... could I play rule of a bad guy?

i have same problem :help:

Unfortunately Lands of Lore is a very linear game, so you can't play the bad guy. But I'm guessing you're gonna lose your desire to do so the next time you meet Scotia, anyway. ;)

i have same problem :help: [/b][/quote]
You have to click on start menu and after that... you should click on uninstall windows. Once it is done you should restart your computer and put the first flopy disk for DOS 6.2 and follow the instructions... but one of my friend told me that there is another simpler solution, a software with name boxdos or dosbox...

Ummm... you know it is always like this, we men will never learn from our leasons and do the same mistake over and over...

Hey. i have the same problem with Paulson and Lora and I did't cheat !! first i went to Draracle (i'm not playing with walkthrough so i didn't even know about Lora) and when i was heading to the castle i found this room with Lora. I wanted to go with her to Draracle but i couldn't. And now i'm in the urbish mines with Lora and when i click the exit button after talking to paulson the game crush ....

anyone knows how to abandon Lora or how to fix this bug ?? :/

That's REALLY strange... A wall should appear after visiting the Draracle so you can't take her after that. I'm sorry to say it, but your game is screwed! :blink:

What you mean is that you can not get in the cave but she may know a way to get out of there something like "cp 1000101010:10110010101...."

Does nobody know how to get past het hag under het White tower??

She askes for het book of Lore, but it seems that nobody has it.

No, its not the manual...

Thx.

Look for some passwords a couple of pages back. I believe it's the fourth of fifth page...

What you mean is that you can not get in the cave but she may know a way to get out of there something like "cp 1000101010:10110010101...." [/b][/quote]
I have no idea how to edit the game...

The easiest thing to do is just to remove Lora from your party. Another solution might be to cheat yourself back to the Draracle and visit him again. You propably have to give him another gift, though there is still one remaining in the caves.

Look for some passwords a couple of pages back. I believe it's the fourth of fifth page... [/b][/quote]
here are the codes from the note earlier this month,
thanks to the poster

page line word password
1 2 2 state
1 3 4 sentient
4 3 3 maintain
5 2 5 pride
5 5 4 dies
6 3 4 known
6 4 1 powers
7 1 5 heretics
8 4 1 spanned
9 3 1 golden
10 3 3 twice
11 2 5 muck
14 1 1 r --> magic (first letter is incorrect)
14 2 1 spellbook
15 4 2 generations
16 2 1 located
16 3 3 course
:cheers: :cheers:

here are the codes from the note earlier this month,
thanks to the poster

page line word password
1 2 2 state
1 3 4 sentient
4 3 3 maintain
5 2 5 pride
5 5 4 dies
6 3 4 known
6 4 1 powers
7 1 5 heretics
8 4 1 spanned
9 3 1 golden
10 3 3 twice
11 2 5 muck
14 1 1 r --> magic (first letter is incorrect)
14 2 1 spellbook
15 4 2 generations
16 2 1 located
16 3 3 course
:cheers: :cheers: [/b][/quote]
..... it worked..

But she also askes for pages 17, 18 and 19...

I wonder...

THX,

Joerie

..... it worked..

But she also askes for pages 17, 18 and 19...

I wonder...

THX,

Joerie [/b][/quote]
No she didn't. :D

:ok: :ok:
Thanks Undertaker. much appreciated.

:kosta:

O, sorry Jodie; I thought 'she' was the original poster that asked for the password, not the ladie in the White Tower. My mistake... :tomato:

Just wondering if am going to meet Lora again. She adds something to the game, and am sick of this 4 hands guy in my party. I am now in the mines, me and the 4 hands guy. I was thinkin maybe Lora would join my party later, or at least another female character? :blink:

No, she won't join you again. But someone else you already know will join you soon...

does anyone know how I can hit the button across the pit near king richard's room in castle cimmeria on level 2?, I've tried everything but nothing seems to hit the button(crossbow,oil flask etc..)

You can't! Instead, cross the (fake) pit to the right to get to the other side.

I gave Dawn's cube to Scotia in Yvel forrest and when I found the niche where I could get it back(in castle cimmeria) it sticks too the floor and I can't pick it up. Is there anyway to get it??

That's odd; I never had problems with that, but I'm playing the cd version. You're saying it's on the floor? It's supposed to be in a niche in the south east in the second level...

:help: I am at another stand-still. I can't find another key in the white tower to get anywhere. I got the blue mystic key from where the ghosts are hanging out, cant find a spot for that. Also, I can't figure out how to do the pattern in the room where there are three portals in the mine. I gathered clues from off the walls in Mine lvl 2 that say "left right retneC," so I tried to go into the portals in that order, while even going backwards in the center portal, but that doesn't work. Anyone know how to either use that blue mystic key or get the right pattern with the portals in the bottom level of the mine? I also can't find a way into that door, which that lion ghost thing says "YOU HAVE NO FAITH!" I've tried for awhile and still can't figure a way in. I think it may have to do with that note that says "Pascata Rosa 4 4 6," but I'm not totally sure bout that. I could always get the walkthrough, which is what I will probably do. :help:

That with the "You have no Faith!" place, I think you need the chalice there or something, into which you can mix the components for the cure then. Not completely sure, though, it's some time ago since I played the game.

The "left right retneC" message is about the weels in the north west of Mines lv. 2. First you have to turn the left one, then the right one and finally the center one.

You still need the Ivory Key from White Tower lv. 3. You can find it behind a door in the upper part of the level. I believe that, to open this door, you need to solve the 'dark room' puzzle of the second level first to get the key.
The Ivory Key can be used on level 1.

The "You have no faith!" message is because you do not have the Crucible of Faith in your inventory yet.

Ah, that was a very in depth answer ^. In comparison to the other answeres I've seen in the forum. I'll try to get in the dark room now, haven't figured it out yet, but it may serve as a good challenge to get inside it.

I know this is a little off topic, but aren't you that same guy that had problems with the mines earlier?

<quote>Ah, that was a very in depth answer ^. In comparison to the other answeres I've seen in the forum. I'll try to get in the dark room now, haven't figured it out yet, but it may serve as a good challenge to get inside it. </quote>

I didn't post any problems that I ran into with this game previously from my last post. The other problems I ran into weren't even worth mentioning. :sick:

Ok, just thought I'd ask. :D

thank god! I finally found it! I was a huge fan of this game back in the days - thank you, abandonia! ^^

Just a little note for those that are stuck or getting whipped big some of the creatures later in the game can be killed faster with magic then the weapon. Ghosts especially can be easily killed with the hand of fate.

Thanks again for finding this game

I still can't even find a way to the chick that asks for something from book of lore. Cant even figure out how to get past the altar de blanca or a few places in the mines that are blocked by pits. In level 1 of the mines for example, there is a pit that blocks the end, where that one wheel is that opens the other pit. Im guessing I have to go to castle cimmera, but can't find the niche for the secret passage. If anyone can help that'd be cool.

Please see the red circle in the picture below. How do I get to that corner?
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/912/mines19jc.gif

When you enter this level, you'll see a sign that says "Remove all weapons before entering". So, remove the rock that lies on the floor! :D

Alter de Blanca: are you having problems with the password? Look at the previous page.

Mines lv. 1: throw the Mine Key 2 you find in the niche across the pit to make the two pits disappear.

Castle Cimmeria: be patient. You have to make the Elixer first before you can get there.

What should I do with this "Piscata Rosea 4 4 5" note?

Nothing! It's a red herring! :max:

Thanks. Another question, what level will be safe for me to enter White Tower? Currently Conrad level 5 mage, Baccatta level 4 rogue, and Paulson level 6 fighter.

You can enter it the same time you are able to visit it, speak the same time you are in the area where it is. Just be sure to explore the entire forest area there first, can't still hurt to be better in skills. :)

Your levels are high enough; I managed to finish the Tower with none of my levels being higher than 5 on ferocious difficulty. It's not that hard; it's all about strategy.

I presume you know you can use the two Emerald Blades as an effective weapon against ghosts. Also, you could use the Hand of Fate spell, but it uses up a lot of MP. This means you have to rest for a long time, giving the ghosts time to regenerate. Of course you should use the spell if you're facing three or more ghosts in the same square :P.
Basically, my strategy is to equip Baccata with both the Emerald Blades (regardless of the main character) and have the other to characters use the Heal spell. Don't even bother trying to attack with the other characters.
Lastly, do not forget to make progress in the level as fast as possible to fight the least possible times (the ghosts regenerate after about two minutes).

Good luck! :cheers:

Hi all!

I keep getting stuck at the Yvel Woods. Everytime I try to get the cube by killing the huge Orcs, I manage to kill some before being overwhelmed by their sheer numbers and getting killed instead. Is there some effective way of killing them?

I use Ak'shel (Lvl 5 Mage), Bacatta (Lvl 5 Fighter) and Paulson (Lvl 5 Fighter). Ak'shel is only effective against them when he has enough magic to cast spells (and that runs out quickly). Bacatta does decent damage to them. And Paulson does little damage and just gets hit a lot. So, killing them is not easy for my group.

Stay away from magic when fighting Great Orcs. But even more important is that you SHOULD NEVER USE BLUNT WEAPONS AGAINST THEM. Blunt weapons include mauls, staffs etc. They barely damage these Orcs. You'd best use swords against them.

Also, try to move through the forest as quickly as possible, to give the Orcs as little time as possible to be 'produced'.

Believe it or not, but these are the weaker verion of the Great Orcs. The stronger version appears later in the game and they can simply not be harmed by blunt weapons.

I finally slogged my way through by facing them while backed into dead ends, healing alot, sleeping to recover magic, and moving when they seemed to have thinned out.

Unfortunately, I couldn't move fast and avoid them because they were so numerous. I had to eliminate that batch first, and move between respawns. Else, they'd just trap me in some open space from all 4 or so sides - then my party would be a goner!

Thanks for the tip - but do you mean to say that these Orcs will always be this tough to handle? :blink: Whew. Looks like I have more slogging to do.

Don't sleep. Run. FAST!

:ok:

Oh, don't worry about the tougher Orcs. When you face them, you'll have plenty of opportunity to flee and recover! :sneaky:

I posted a rather long post the other day, but it got lost during the Abandonia server transfer. Since then I found the answers to some of my own questions. A few remains, one of them is about the locked door (with fancy lock) in Scotia's Castle Level 1 (North West corner). I still don't know how to enter that room. Anybody knows?

Some few rooms in Scotia's Castle cannot be entered. Those can only be reached through cheating, i.e. hex-editing the position of the party in the save-game. One of those rooms, where there are two transparent door-like walls contains a very good two-handed sword that's almost as strong as the strongest two-handed sword in the game. ;)

Hey, did any of you guys find a way to open the jammed door in Castle Cimmeria lv. 1? Some people were able to open it, but even today it remains a mistery of how to open it... :angry:

Where is this room? Are you talking about the room where the sword of "Doom" something was found? If so, you just need to shoot with bow through the gates at the button on the wall on the other side.

By the way, since I have beaten the game already, I don't think it is wrong to ask for the hex cheat if any of you know how to do so. Just for fun :D

It's in the south part of the first level, but not in the part where your atlas disappear. It's one of the last remaining things I don't know about this game...

Just go to http://www.megagames.com/cracks/html/t81515_0.htm for an excellent trainer (including walking through walls etc.)!

ey guys i am really a newbie in this abadonia stuff so please help me to get Lands of lore running since i love the game.
Where to download lands of lore? it says some protection stuff when i tried
and how to install and play it? come on guys, help me out

You can't download it anymore; ESA demanded that Abandonia removed it from their site. You can still get it at http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=1324 though...

Thanks, i downloaded it already and im hardly trying to install it but it wont work, I get the error msg to insert a CD and I got no clue how to do it :/

When do you get that message?

South part of the first level... I don't remember. I did found a sword of "Doom" something, but it was in one of the two locked gate rooms in the north part of the first level.

Anyway, thanks for the trainer. I already downloaded it and will try it later.

The HOTU version (which I used to play) does not require you to enter copyright codes, and as far as I know it is the full rip of the game. The reason why it is not 150MB is because the demo files (for Kyrandia 3, etc.) from the original CD were removed. The files for Lands of Lore themselves are complete, AFAIK.

This game is a master piece it has some awsome game play and the graphics where top of the line for its time even now simple yet creative artwork. As a multi-media student studying full time I can really appretiate the talent gone into this game, Lands of Lore 2 lost everything this gme was I was sorry to find... It's a shame they went for the more realistic 3D enviroment because I loved the basic layout in the first Lands of Lore. Simple yet so fun and full of exitement.

Now as with any game there are flaws, so as to provide constructive critisism I think the worst thing about the game was the alien like level, bright red and shiney.. why!!!

yea but apart from that small aspect this game is AWSOME :ok:

This was the first graphical RPG I ever played... and never finished.
One level involving a castle and some sort of bluish/white ghosts did me in repeatedly, then I lost the game in a move. Thanks to you guys (and HotU now that it's blocked) I can go back and finish the first of only two gRPGs that I never completed.

Hroanr: For the HotU (CD) version, you need to run the 'lands.bat' file instead of the lolcd.exe. This batch file sidesteps the CD check. Alternatively, you can mount a b: drive to point directly to your lands of lore directory (in dosbox) and it will work as well. (ex. mount b c:\games\lore) then run the lolcd.exe.

Incidentally, this also keeps anyone using the HotU version from being able to use the forementioned trainer. You can mount b: and point it straight to your lore directory on your harddrive and copy the lolcd.exe to lands.exe, but the trainer was written specifically for the disk version and won't do anything in-game. Hopefully this will save someone from wasting the time to try this. Tsearch should work fine though, if you really want to cheat.

Oh, and it's definitely Patrick Stewart at the beginning ;)

Everyone is talking about downloading this game. My husband loved this game and said it was his favorite game back in the days... However, the game is protected by the ESA from download. How do you find the owner to download this game??? Thanks. :max:

The CD version's voice is Patrick's, yes, but the disk version had other voices for Richard, Geron and Scotia. :ok:

You can still get it from: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name...Throne+of+Chaos. :Brain:

:D Thanks so much, Undertaker... Now to wait for the DL... it's a long one! :cheers: My hubby's excited! You made his day!

...Well, three hours later I have the files, but there is no executable file in the bunch... no .bat or anything. Is that what you got, too, Undertaker? I've got a billion files, but no way of running the game. I guess I just must be dense or something! ARGH... :wall:

Wheee!!! :tomato: I just figured it out... I saw a little line at the end of the page saying you need WinRAR to unzip the file! So I hope that works... Just waiting for it to finish now...

We haven't heard from you anymore, so I asume the game runs fine! :ok:

Hi!
:help:
My problem: I cant kill Scotia..

I have finnished this game before and I dont remember if there was anything special you needed to use(except for the neclage of truth) on here..

I get the problem after her 3rd transform (1st is the toad, 2dn is the furry worm-like monster).. I havent freed Richard yet though and I saved my game inside scoties "nest" so I cant go back..

So, anyone know if there is some special spell or weapin you need on her 3rd transform(reptile like with tentacles???)? because as it is now I cant damage him, or atleast no blood-splash appear when I hit him etc,.

Thanks!

You need to free king Richard and he'll give you the Shard of Truth (if I recall the name correctly), which you need to combine with the Necklace of Truth to get the Full Truth (or similar). When you this one then on Scotia immediately, and before she transforms herself into one of the monsters, she won't transfer anymore and you can beat her to death. But when she transforms the third time in this mega worm, this one is invulnerable, you can't hurt him and he'll kill you.

Thanks..
OMG.. need to play alot all over from my other savegame then :>

I can send you my saved game file outside Scotia's chamber (with Full Truth in inventory) if you like, but it probably won't feel the same, will it?

No, it wont :<
But thanks anyway :>

:blink: :Titan: how can i download it?!"?" :wall:

It's ESA-protected. Sorry.

Check back at page 11 for another way to download the game!

Anyone know if Lands of Lore 2 is available anywhere?
I really want to continue in this series!
Please :)

Too large. It takes up 4 CD's...

Lands of Lore 2 is a great game, but it doesn't compare to the first Lands... :(

I don't know, I played it some times, and I liked it as much as the first game. Not in small part beause of the great digital music in it, which is really impressive. But also the story is very good one, unfolding with the game's progress, and the locations are very interesting, too. For example this alien castle that's like a mix of Alien movies and UFO's, or Dracoid Ruins that are just plain creepy.
But anyway, this is a topic about the first game, and it's about time for me to play Lands of Lore again since long, long time. :max:

Have fun! If you have any questions, I can answer them all! Well, almost... :ok:

A very little known secret: in White Tower level 1 is a chest that contains nothing... or at least if you didn't pick succesfully at the first attempt! :max:

At the first attempt, hum? I always asked myself what's wrong with that one. Thanks for the tip. :)

Anybody played Lands of Lore III? Another great game, but because EA took over Westwood, the game had to be finished in a rush, leaving it with tons of bugs! :ranting:

If it weren't for this, this game would be just as great as Lands of Lore II, if not greater.

Nothing new today, it's currently the default policy to finish the games in a rush and release them with many bugs, sending patches after. Good anyway that I didn't buy Lands of Lore III yet, seeing as it has so many bugs (I hate game bugs). :max:

Really, Westwood wasn't known for releasing games full of bugs.

Lands 3 sucked, the game wasn't that great, bugs aside, not as good story, too generic...ohhh we have to save the world from demons! Again....

Lands of Lore 3 isn't THAT bad, but it's true the game isn't very innovative. But the game's atmosphere is great and I also like the game nostalgy-wise! :D

Ahhh. Just finished the game. Loved it, absolutely wonderful! I won't give away any of the ending, but it's worth it. Neat little thing going as the credits scroll too! (Won't say what though). Excellent game, excellent. Wonder what I should play next? *laugh* Dungeon Master 2? Anvil of Dawn? Ultima 6? Oi...I hate finishing good games, nothing else to look forward to. :ph34r:

Try out Lands of Lore II - Guardians of Destiny. The ending movie isn't as close as good as the ending in Lands of Lore 1 though...

I know many people have no idea about what im gonna ask and probebly everybody is stuck and just gave up. im talking about all the mysterys (that probebly were left as mysterys) that are in Land of Lore 1.
I dont remmember all of them. I looked for walkthroughs and non of them said anything about this (or maybe just said they had no idea what to do).
One I remmember is in the Urbish Mines, there was a pit which i couldnt find a way to cross.. and i dont remmember but i think there was a chest there or a switch I dont remmember (not an illusion).
Another is a door in Castle Cimeria which i couldnt find a way to open.
If anybody knows anything about either of them please comment :)

There is a post about this earlier in the thread already. The only way to enter these locations is to hex-edit the location of the party in a savegame. How it works? Save a game while you stand somewhere. Then move one step forward and save another game. Now in Dos prompt type at the prompt: fc /b XXX.gam XXX2.gam (or the XXX.gam should be your savegames).
Look at the hex adresses that show up. I don't remember anymore, but it could be that you need to use the try-and-error method with editing the games, as there might be many results.

Was there ever a trainer released for this game??

What happens if you give Scotia-Dawn what she wants? What if you don't? She turns into a big lizard, but what if you just run away without killing it? What if you kill it?

If you give Scotia in guise of Dawn what she asks for, you will be stuck in the game with no way to win anymore. All you could do then is to load the game before that spot.
If you fight the lizard, she will turn into the crow and fly away after some hits (if I remember correctly). Running away, well, no idea.

Was there ever a Trainer that worked for this game? I have the CD Rom version from HOTU and I am using VDMSound to emulate the... sound

Doing some hex editing I hve 255 Health and Magic. Any other values i can alter?

Still can't find any other alterable hex values

Try your luck here: Dirty Little Helper
Two of them have the hex codes in English too, for other files you'll need to understand German.

After much searching on the web I finally found this place, but I can't seem to download it, there is no link on the site or anything, please help, I wanna play the game, I haven't played since it came out thanks

The game is ESA protected, means it's not abandoned and isn't allowed to be placed for download, though before ESA inserted their nose here it was available for download...
Try at Ebay, maybe you'll have luck and find it there for sell.

Hehe. I've posted this stuff before, but I don't mind doing it again.

To cross that pit, you have to throw Mine Key 2 to the other side of the other pit, after you get it from the niche. Both pits will disappear after that. Your reward? Mine Key 3. There's no lock for this key though, but it's a nice trophy for solving the puzzle! :D

The jammed door in Castle Cimmeria lv. 1 is a mystery even today. Some people, including my brother, claimed they were able to open it, but don't know how they did it. There's nothing on the other side, though.

The other door in the first level of Castle Cimmeria (with the Fancy Lock) can't be opened, as far as I know. It's really too bad, because there's a treasure chest. If you open it (you can use the Small Key) you'll find lot's of stuff, including the Great Bow "Darkness" and the Zephyr Ring, which reduces your recharge time after attacking. Did you notice how your waiting time is reduced after you succesfully strike a monster? You'll now alway strike with that speed! :max:

In White Tower lv. 1, there's an empty chest. But if you picked the lock at the first attempt, it will contain items, including the best shield in the game; the Dwarvish Kite Shield!

If you give Scotia Dawn's Key, you'll retrieve it after solving the "The sum must be correct" puzzle at Cimmeria lv. 3. If you run from Scotia, the attack on Yvel is not triggered, so you'll be stuck until you beat her.

There's also a hidden spell in the game. You can find it in the west of Yvel. Click on one of the closed doors, and they'll come loose, so you can enter the building. It's useful against ghosts. Westwood fans will probably recognise this spell!

If you have any questions, please ask. I know virtualy everything about the game.

That's strange, as when I was able to cross the pit through hex-editing the savegame earlier, I found there just another Mine Key 2...

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Originally posted by Undertaker@Sep 7 2005, 03:58 PM The jammed door in Castle Cimmeria lv. 1 is a mystery even today. Some people, including my brother, claimed they were able to open it, but don't know how they did it. There's nothing on the other side, though

Actually, there is a two-handed sword on the other side, that is if you mean the two doors that look like a pattern of branches. This two-handed sword, forgot it's name, is the second best melee weapon in the game, aside of the best two-handed sword that is found as the game proceeds. And you get hurt slightly while trying to get that sword, it's on a kind of an emblem on the wall and it looks just like a pattern on the wall, but if you click there, you get the sword.

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There's also a hidden spell in the game. You can find it in the west of Yvel. Click on one of the closed doors, and they'll come loose, so you can enter the building. It's usefull against ghosts. Westwood fans will probably recognise this spell![/quote]
You don't mean by chance the spell Hand of Fate? It's not really hidden, as far as I know, you can find it in more than one place in the game, but maybe that differs on different versions, I have the CD version with full speech of Patrick Steward.

You don't mean by chance the spell Hand of Fate? It's not really hidden, as far as I know, you can find it in more than one place in the game, but maybe that differs on different versions, I have the CD version with full speech of Patrick Steward. [/b][/quote]
Well, I've got the CD version as well, and what you're telling surprises me.

Are your saying you found a Mine Key 2 at BOTH niches?! That's odd...

I don't mean the branched doors. You can open those doors by shooting through them. This can be done if you first throw a certain switch in the Dungeons. Alternatively, you can stand in front of the door, save your game and load it. You will then always shoot through the grates.
I was talking about the door, that doesn't open if you press it's switch. Baccata will then say: "Blast, this door is jammed".

And as far as I know, the HOF spell can only be found at one location. If you did find it somewhere else, please let me know! But you weren't talking about the Dark Gauntlet, are you? That weapon let's you cast a level 1 HOF spell for no magic cost...

No, I didn't talk about the gauntlet... I think I was also able to find Hand of Fate earlier when I played the game in these dungeons below Castle Cimmeria while helping one of the races, but not completely sure.
And nice to know, that with the two doors. I shot through them, but didn't know that it goes with saving or the switch, so I thought they're one of the eternal mysteries of the game.
Also I'm not entirely sure, to be honest, if I found Mine Key 2 or 3 in that niche, but what I know completely sure is that I had one of the keys, and in the niche, after crossing it through hex-editing the position location in the savegame, there was completely the same key, which made me wonder back then for which reason it's placed there.

I see. That's really interesting! I've never found the HoF scroll that way, but you may be right. For example, there's a niche in the Urbish Mining Company that sometimes holds a Great Maul. It's only there in about one in fifteen games or so. Please let me know more if you remember anything else! :D

I think I was able once to find the Zephyr Ring, but that wasn't in Castle Cimmeria but rather in of these first forests, in some tree hole. Never found it again there, though I searched all three holes completely in each game, so it seems that some stuff in game is random.

Wow, I hope you did not confuse that ring with the Bezel Ring! :D

Could someone who has the Book of Lore add me to their MSN list so that I could get past that part in the White tower?? [EDITED]

I lost my copy many years ago when I moved!

Hehe. It's been posted quite some time ago. :D

page line word password
1 2 2 state
1 3 4 sentient
4 3 3 maintain
5 2 5 pride
5 5 4 dies
6 3 4 known
6 4 1 powers
7 1 5 heretics
8 4 1 spanned
9 3 1 golden
10 3 3 twice
11 2 5 muck
14 1 1 r **** magic (first letter is incorrect)
14 2 1 spellbook
15 4 2 generations
16 2 1 located
16 3 3 course

I guess it's a little pointless to post this after such a long time, but I just wanted to clear this up: Lands of Lore 2 CAN be played under DOS; it's one of the last few games that actually had such an option! :ok:

Although it is made so that it could be played in Ms-Dos (I have the game on original disks myself), I never got it to play in Ms-Dos, it crashes there or in DosBox everytime and there is absolutely no way to get it to run and not crash there. Maybe corrupted files on my version of the game-disks...

Nah, I had that problem too while I played it under DOS. It runs best under Win95. I wouldn't know how to run it best in WinXP, but I could look it up, if anyone is interested.

It runs without problems in Windows XP, though there are often problems with videos, after some time they slow heavily down and it takes many minutes to watch them to the end. Compatibility mode doesn't help, either.

I had really strange problems; sometimes the controls stalled, so I would be turning around for a short time. Also, the music stuttered.

Hello,

did anybody kill Scotia without Whole Truth? Now I fight her 3rd form and I think she is not entirely invulnerable. From time to time Baccata hits her for 4 damage and she even shows blood splashing. This way I killed the slug in the mine entrance but this slug showed two or three different shapes according to damage taken and Scotia's 3rd form does not.

My friend told me that he killed Scotia using Treant stick or Westwood stick (but he played this game ten years ago so he does not remember details any more).

Thanks a lot.

And thanks for such a great game.

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You need to free king Richard and he'll give you the Shard of Truth (if I recall the name correctly), which you need to combine with the Necklace of Truth to get the Full Truth (or similar). When you use this one then on Scotia immediately, and before she transforms herself into one of the monsters, she won't transfer anymore and you can beat her to death. But when she transforms the third time in this mega worm, this one is invulnerable, you can't hurt him and he'll kill you.[/quote]

;)

Well, I used a trick to prevent Scotia from moving; move away from her and try to lead her past the door (only from the east side) which you came through. She'll stop moving and will not attack anymore.

Be careful though, because she will start moving again after she has transformed or when you approach her from the west. She will not get stuck at all in her human form.

This way I've been able to beat on her with the Westwood Stick for hours, but with no result.

There is one other way to beat Scotia without the Whole Truth though, but it only works in the disk version (which you're probably playing anyway); whenever she transforms, throw a weapon or armor to her. She'll die instantly! The ending sequence is not triggered when using this method, though.

But how were you able to damage the Larkhon and Scotia with normal weapons?? I've never been able to do that! I only thought that throwing weapons and armor could harm them (aside from the Green Skull for the Larkhon, of course). How high was Baccata's Fighter level?

Greetingsss...
Lands is the first role-playing game I've played, so I spent months exploring it. There are still some things that I suspect to be the secrets (like "fancy lock"), but I think I know much about the game in general.
Here are some tricky things, would be interesting to hear whether Undertaker and other experienced fellows knew about it:

There is a chest with endless stuff (sabre "Gutter", one-jewelled cup, salve and bracers). It is located in Opinwood, near the entrance to the Swamps. It refills if you pass the areas like this: Opinwood -> Swamps -> Upper Opinwood -> Mines -> remote part of Opinwood and then back (without crossing secret walls between Orcs' and Centaurs' parts).

You can get to get into Mines without killing the Larkhon (so it is the third way, first two involve using Green Skull (someone mentioned Caustic Fog spell, but I strongly doubt one can get it without hex-code cheating) and throwing slashing/piercing (not blunt) weapons into it). To do that you should flee from one of the Mine entrances, cross both woods and Swamps and sneak to the staircase while Larkhon is still at the another side. When you try to get out, it turns out that it is already dead (or gone).

After you enter the small area on the 3rd floor of Cimmeria where you can meet Scotia, the door closes behind you, so if you don't have the Shard yet, it looks like you have lost. In fact, it is not true: you can push Scotia through one of the walls using the Hand of Fate spell or Dark Gauntlet. (Maybe this is not available in every version, though).

When you give Scotia Dawn's key, she places it in the wall on the 3rd floor of Cimmeria, below the humanoid figurine, and you aren't seem to able to get it (at least in the version I had few years ago). But Scotia is smart so she doesn't meet you if you don't have the key in your inventory. In one of the versions she just didn't appear, so you could visit Upper Opinwood freely, but the attack on Yvel did not begin as well. In the version I have currently, the key lifted a yard above the floor but wasn't transferred to Cimmeria (probably an incomplete patch which was aimed to move it direclty to Cimmeria). Then the attack on Yvel began in usual way.

Going to post more... And some questions, too, of course.

From time to time (one in ten or twenty blows) Baccata (and nobody else) strikes for four points of damage. He can do it even barehanded so it does not matter which weapon he wields. I think it's kind of "critical hit". Killing Larkhon was easy this way. Baccata fights and occasionally deals his 4-damage blows, the rest of party (including Baccata) heals him, when magical energy is depleted, go outside, rest, get back and continue with gnawing at Larkhon (if you stay close to him, he does not make "earthquake").

In similar way Baccata hurts transformed Scotia, she even bleeds. You can chase with her around a collumn and if you're nimble enough, you're hitting her and she's too slow to hit you.
Problem is that this is the slow way because Scotia has plethora of hit points. And if she has infinite hit points, your fight is futile and that's what I asked.

Another big Lands of Lore 1 fan, just like me! I didn't know the first trick you mentioned, but it sounds like a bug to me. I'll try it in the Cd version as soon as I can!

I knew about the 'sneaky' way to enter the Mines, but in my version the Larkhon stays alive; when you talk to the guy behind the desk, Baccata won't say that it's dead and the guy will stay where he is. When you exit the mines, you will appear at the same place where the Larkhon (which tried to follow you) is. This way you can exit the Mines as well.
You're saying it's impossible to hurt the Larkhon with blunt weapons? I ought to check that out, too!
The Caustic Fog spell you mentioned is actualy the spell you cast when you use the Green Skull. You can use a trainer to use it as a normal spell. All four levels of the spell are the same as the 'Green Skull-version'.

I also didn't know about that Dawn's key bug; I've played both the Cd and disk version though. I guess both were well-patched.

Just when I thought I knew everything about the game...

Did you know about this trick: pick the lock succesfully on the chest on White Tower Lv. 1 (the most left one) on the first attempt. You might be surprised...

As I've said, I have spanked her for hours with the Westwood stick! :D
I guess her hit points are infinite. But if your friend remembers it more clearly, please let us know!

Yesss, I knew about the Caustic Fog spell (never used trainers, but was editing save-files with bare hands). Just some of the previous posts made me think there is a way to get it in usual game.
And, of course, I have seen that shield with painted dragon(?).

But I haven't ever thrown mine key 2 across the pit, for example.

Have you ever seen an eagle great sword or great axe "Death"?
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Well. The first topic where I have more questions than the answers. Some of the items have hidden or half-hidden properties which reveal itselves only when you use them for valueable amount of time.
I know that my examples don't sound impressing, but still there might be a chance for some of them to remain unnoticed. If you can add something to that list, it would be extremely interesting to me.
1. Bezel rings grant you protection from poison.
2. Emerald blades are extremely good weapons against ghostly creatures.
3. Same for Vaelan's cubes.
4. Great maul "Thunder" sometimes causes small earthquakes when you fail to hit your enemy.
5. Westwood stick sometimes delivers 1000 hit points' blows.
No need to respond if you already know this all *grins*.
But.
1. What about "stealth"-equipment? Does it help in any way as it is advertised?
2. What about fine-shaped swords (Flayer, Gnarl, Snarl, Gnash, Protector, Entropy)? Do they have any hidden properties or it's just a kind of garnment?
3. Does the hale leather jerkin have some special properties? (Its appearence and price make me think so.)

More questions will follow... And I am going to put here some information, too.

Does anyone know the way to make Dawn join you?
(At least, there is an evidence this was planned by Westwood. Those who have save-files editing expirience may know that there are bytes in character description whose values correspond to face. You may check that there is Dawn's face (blue-eyed Dawn, yes, not brown-eyed!): Start a new game, choose Conrad, save, open save file, find FBFF bytes (it's close to the character name), replace it with F9FF. Or there may be 0500, then replace it with 0700. At least, in both versions of Lands I have played it was possible.)

I have checked this (not with invulnerable creatures, though). In more than 100 times no one did a single successful blow being bare-handed. My opinion: you forgot to remove some weapon from Baccata's lower hand. It must be something very special if it may hurt Larkhon and shapeshifted Scotia, but this is more probable.
Or maybe Baccata delivers this "critical hit" only fighting with them. Or we just have different versions (in my version, all the creatures able to make the earthquakes do it from time to time even if you stay).

Yes, those earthquake-making creatures do it always if your characters wear some weapons, even if you stay close to the creatures. As soon as all the weapons have been dropped, they don't make earthquakes anymore (if I remember correctly). But start again if you pick the weapons up.

I believe you need no remove your shield as well to do any damage, because this way, you'll also hear a sound when you attack.

Yesss, tried both with and without shields. No lucky blows.

Toads in Cimmeria make earthquakes even if you stay without any weapons or shields.

What about my previous posts (maybe you didn't notice) about Dawn and about items' hidden features? Any ideas?
Undertaker, you also didn't mention whether you knew about the removable wall in Scotia's domain.

One more "Did you know": Did you know that items you drop into the sinkholes are not necessarily lost? There is a place or two in swamps where part of such items appear.

Of course those items aren't lost. As far as I can remember, you can drop items in tree stumps or sinkholes in the swamp, and once you click on the sinkholes, you pick the item up again. The party doesn't have such luck there ;)

Yes, my post was not entirely correct. Earthquaking creatures do earthquake even if you stay close to them, but imho not so often as when you stay further.

I have examined Baccata's "critical hits" (against transformed Scotia, not against Larkhon) and you're right, the key is... (insert fanfare here) SABRE "CUTTER"! (and no hit at all with bare hands). But only in hand of Baccata, not Paulson's. Baccata is figher level 8 and Paulson only 7, but when I battled Larkhon, Baccata's fighter level was much lower so I think it does not depend on figher level, but on Baccata.

Yes, my post was not entirely correct. Earthquaking creatures do earthquake even if you stay close to them, but imho not so often as when you stay further.

I have examined Baccata's "critical hits" (against transformed Scotia, not against Larkhon) and you're right, the key is... (insert fanfare here) SABRE "CUTTER"! (and no hit at all with bare hands). But only in hand of Baccata, not Paulson's. Baccata is figher level 8 and Paulson only 7, but when I battled Larkhon, Baccata's fighter level was much lower so I think it does not depend on figher level, but on Baccata. [/b][/quote]
Sorry, I keep forgoting my name - Mateej.

Ah, yes. Sorry about that. No, I didn't know about both of these facts. Thank you, guys! I always appreciate new knowledge about the Lands!

Sorry, I didn't notice your 'hidden features' post! I can't believe it; it never happened to me before!

Now (finally) some little comments about the list! :D

1. Bezel rings also grant protection from being aslept (in the Swamps)
2. Yes, I knew. I think it does around 3x or even 4x damage! :D
3. I also knew this one. Does around 100 damage, I think.
4. Great Maul 'Thunder' is supposed to do triple damage in 25% of each hit. I have never seen this happen. The growl you hear might have something to do with it.
5. Hehe. The good ol' Westwood stick. Useful for killing Scotia in her human form, since she seem to have some sort of warding, so she suffer minimal damage from magic and weapons. Also, she doesn't have a decent evade.

1. The stealth equipment, yes... There are still many unanswered questions about those. I believe they decrease the enemies line of sight and make you unhearable, but I cannot confirm this. If this is true, they should be useful in the 3rd Tower level, since, unlike other creatures, ghosts are all around you (since they are ethereal). Also, I don't know if you must spread the equipment among your team members to be effective.
They might also have something to do with increasing hit/evade percentages.
2. The great sword 'Entrophy' hits the bearer every 7th strike (as taken from www.ethereallore.com). I don't know about the others, but I have been suspecting hidden properties, too.
3. Not that I know of, but everything is possible!

The great sword 'Eagle' and the great Axe "Death" have been removed from the game, I think, simply because they haven't ever been found. Great Maul 'Armaggeddon' is also such a weapon. Great Bow 'Tempest' and 'Darkness' can be found in treasure chest in Castle Cimmeria and can only be reached with a trainer.

You might want to check out http://37852.rapidforum.com/. It's a German forum, but we (I'm also a member) also have a lot of information about Lands 1-3. Also, We have plans to make a fan game, but it has been halted, because EA (the current owner of Westwood) forbids us to do so.

THAT was a long post! :max:

Damn, I forgot about the Dawn subject!

Yes, I've seen a screenshot with Dawn as the first character as well, but I believe it's nothing more than a nicely done Paint job.

If someone DOES know more about this, PLEASE let me know! :ok:

You're welcome. Same here, hehe.

Sleeping and little injuries caused by swamp gas is what I've considered as poison, so I didn't mention it. Of course you're right.

The eagle great sword and the great axe "Death" are owned by four ghostly soldiers in Cimmeria, near the branch gates. Not always, same as maidens' longswords Gnarl, Snarl, and Gnash, but probably still available in every version.

Thank you for the additional information.

Let's go on.

Also the helm "Talamar" costs surprisingly high (150 s.c. in the last "shop" in Cimmeria). Same for George's kite shield (500 s.c. vs 50 s.c. for dwarven kite shield, but I believe it was a mistake).

What about that empty niche in Dungeons where all the items you put into are simply lost (at least it seems so)? Also, there is a place near NE corner where you hear a sound of opening wall or something like this. Does anyone know what does it all mean?

I am going to provide some information which does not have high value for those who forgets about the game once it's done. I believe that mostly it is known by the experienced players, so it won't surprise them, too. On the other hand, it makes playing easier... and for me it wasn't easy to learn the second part.

First, the game has two ways of control: you can do everything using a mouse, but running and fighting is what you can do with only a keyboard (well, since the early versions keys F5, F6, F7, F8 do not cause any magic, but F1, F2, F3 are still available). So there are three possibilities, each fits its own situation.
a) Running-and-doing your quest (opening doors, chests, pressing buttons, trading etc.). Use arrow keys (7,8,9, sometimes maybe 4,6, of course at the right part of your keyboard) (left hand) and mouse in this case.
b) Running-and-fighting, when you just need to struggle your way through the packs of annoying but weak monsters. Use F1-F2-F3 (left hand) and arrow keys then.
c) Tough fighting - then you surely need a mouse, but still F1-F2-F3 are convenient.

Second, there are ways to make the fighting easier. There are two weapons that never fail: crossbow "Valkyre" and... a rock (when you throw it). (Exception: sometimes items become "unthrowable". I do not know why does it happen, but it is easy to notice that you can no longer throw your rock away. Then you can find another.) Of course, rock isn't usable to do considerable damages (though lesser Orcs die after 4-5 blows), but...
But the Lands' monsters have not only health but also shields. Health is constant for all creatures of the same kind, shields' value varies around half of the health. To kill the monster, you need to chop its shields off first. So if monster dies in a single blow, you can be sure this blow was no less than shields+health of that monster.
But shields always fade after a single lucky blow. If it was below shields' value, monster remains in full health, otherwise it becomes wounded...
Now you can see that even rocks may be useful against powerful monsters... Of course, not Larkhon, great Orcs and other creatures immune to bashing.

The Bezel ring: yeah, you're right about that. I didn't think about that that way! :D

Eagle/Death: Around those grates, huh? I'm sure I've never found the Eagle Sword, but I might have found the Death Axe (somehow, it rings a bell now you mentioned the grates).

The helm "Talamar" might have something to do with increasing your magic or something, but I've never noticed any differences.

I don't know much about the niches in the Dungeons. I believe you could find disappeared items somewhere on the floor...
I also noticed that 'wall-shoving'-sound in the north east. I've searched a very long time, with no result, but after I used a trainer to get behind the wall I found... a stair to the Yvel Woods! This part of the wood is located behind Vulture's Chasm and is not fully completed. You can find an Ace of Oblivion and some kind of wand as well. It appears there was supposed to be a shortcut out of the Dungeons, but it didn't make it to the final release.
So my guess is that stepping on that invisible plate opens and closes the wall.

What you're saying about the shields really surprises me. I thought those shields were mere decorations. Do you also know if a creature uses a weapon (like some Orcs do) also do more damage?
Also, when a shield is destroyed, does that creature's appearence change? It would be very strange if I wouldn't have noticed that! :D

Did you knew about 'undead mode'? It works like this:

Make sure all but one of your party members are dead. Now, when the last character receives a mortal blow, quickly press escape and save your game (in an empty slot, of course). Now reload the game. All your characters will still be dead, but the game continues like normal (ie. creatures try to attack you). You can still hurt the creatures by throwing rocks/weapons/armor. You can go back to normal mode by reviving one of your characters with an item.

This trick can easily be done by attacking on of the Gladstone guards; since they hit you so hard, it takes a while for your health meter to reach 0. This way you have more time to press escape.
After you kill the Gladstone guards, you have four nice Halberds! :max:

I think if you kill the guards, the doors in Gladstone that lead to drawn locations like the king's chamber will be closed, thus the game wouldn't be continueable anymore.

Well, I have heard about that part of forest behind the Vulture Chasm, now it becomes more clear. Thank you.

About the shields - I meant another thing: creatures' lives and deathes depend not only on one parameter I call "health", but on two parameters, and I call the second one "shields". First blow, if it isn't strong enough, destroys only shields, and further blows deal with health(HP).
For example, lizard in Southern forest has 40 HP. It won't die after two 21-HP damages because of shields, but if you make a 2-HP scratch and then add two 20-HP blows, it would. That's how you can use rocks.
To kill that lizard in a single blow you have to make somewhere about 60-70 HPs' damage. (Just check this: sometimes Ak'shel would fail to kill it when he casts Spark:'IV' and then 'I', but he always kills it using 'I' and then 'IV').
Parameter I call "shields" has no bearing to the appearence (although it is possible that orcs equipped with shields have more "shields" than the other ones, or they evade/block blows better).

Haven't heard about an undead mode. Nice idea.

When I added myself some health and magic (just a couple of thousands), I was able to get those halberds.

These are rather obvious information but I'll post them anyway:

1) Jade necklace ads +1 to rogue level.
2) Amber ring adds bonus of 5 to protection.
3) Crossbow "Valkyrie" shoots fireballs but this fireball DOES NOT ignite gas in Mines (in the place where you smell it).
4) Trident "Plague" decreases your fighter level by 1.


I got one more question:

I don't know why but in Replication room in Catwalk Caverns I was able to replicate only items made of paper (miscellanous scrolls and Aces). Did somebody experience something like this?

Well you guys made me play that game again ! Like i needed it ! More time wasted on PC games. But it sure is good ! :ok:

Thanks and no thanks ! :D

Mateej, your points 1), 2), and 4) are indeed obvious - you can see the difference just when you wear/remove those items.

Some items indeed cannot be duplicated. I am sure about emerald blades, Dark Gauntlet, Crucible of Faith. But most of the items (including the great sword "Justice") were replicable for me.

Shields: Thank you for clearing this up. This is very interesting information!

Gladstone guards: wow, I've never been able to beat them, but then again, I've never really tried. With which character are you playing?

Duplication bug: I've never experienced this! What version are you playing?

Did you know the infinite might/protection bug? It's made up from two different bugs. In the Cd version one of the bugs is fixed, but it can still be done.

This is taken from www.ethereallore.com. I've contributed this myself! :D

Go to White Tower Lv.3 (or Castle Cimmeria Lv.1 but that is too far away and too late in the game to really make use of this cheat) and go to the only pit in the level (the pit which drops you off at the minotaur on Level 2). Save your game.
Make sure the pit is open. Wait for a ghost to appear over the pit.
Now, place a weapon or armor (preferably Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield) on the pit, so that the weapon or armor falls through. The ghost will have disappeared.
Click on the pit and you'll get your weapon/armor back (keep trying, it might be hard to find the right spot). Place it into your inventory. Keep clicking on the pit and you will get more copies! Get a number of five of the same weapon, or four of the same armor.
Go to Victor's Arms or the weapon seller in the swamp.

Equip your party with all copies and sell the remaining one.

Go outside and check your characters. Where the equipment was are now items named 'illegal item'. Take them all off and place them in your inventory (NEVER place two or more copied items or illegal items on the floor--the game will crash). While doing this, your might/protection will not decrease and will remain the same as when you were equipped.

Get back in the shop and re-buy the same weapon/armor. Your 'illegal items' will re-change to the copied equipment.

Repeat the last three steps for infinite might/protection.

You can still get the trick going in the CD version; equip yourself with all copied items and sell the remaining one as usual. Buy the equipment back (or choose another item to copy). Now, go back to copy your equipment and repeat. To get rid of "illegal items," donate them to the "Stone Idol: Ra’ToI the Fortunate" in the swamps (refer to the map). It just costs a lot more time, but you also get infinite money this way.

Watch out for enemies that grab your weapons and drop them on the floor--remember, if two or more copied items or illegal items are on the floor, the game crashes.

This trick is best done with Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield, because you can re-buy them in the shops.

If a character now wears no weapons or shields, it can damage enemies with his bare hands!

Well, I have the CD version, and the Dark Gauntlet is replicable. ;)
I guess it's because it counts as a weapon.

Some more facts:

Not every character does the same damage with the same spell. The order of magic power from weak to strong is:
Kieran - Timothy/Baccata/Lora/Paulson - Ak'shel - Conrad - Michael

Ak'shel is only slightly more powerful than Timothy and the others.

The fact that Michael is such a strong spellcaster is most likely a bug, imho; it doesn't make sense and it makes him overpowered. Why? Read on...

Note that the more damage you do, the more experience you receive. Because of this, when Michael reaches Mage level 2 (so that he can cast higher level Spark spells), he'll be a kick behind mage!
When your character levels up, you don't always receive the same amount of increased HP/MP. So if you just leveled up with Michael to Mage level 2, check his MP. If the max MP is 25 or higher, you can cast level 4 Spark. If not, you should reload and level up again.
After this, he'll even level up faster to level 3 than he did to level 2!
This also accounts for his fighter level, obviously. This makes it very easy to level up Michael.

If you have problems getting Michael to Mage level 2, you should do this: in Roland's Manor, cast Spark against the Orcs and retreat outside. Rest, re-enter and cast Spark again. Kill all the Orcs this way. After that, you'll only need a couple of more kills with spark to level up.
Conrad can easily make it to level 2 this way, btw.

The values for leveling up are:

Fighter level
12-25 HP

Rogue level
2- 12 HP

Mage level
1-6 HP
12-25 MP
18-37 MP for Ak'shel

I'm not sure about the fighter level's increase (the max seems true for most characters), the minimal MP increase (including Ak'shel's). Any confirmation is welcome! :ok:

Thanks for putting all this in hear did you write it yourself?

Yeah, I quoted it from www.ethereallore.com, but I myself submitted it to the guy who owns the site.

That is really cool you should put it In a .RTF with notepad and send it to kosta maybe he will add it to the downloads for the game :)

Well, I have the CD version, and the Dark Gauntlet is replicable. ;)
I guess it's because it counts as a weapon. [/b][/quote]
I couldn't do that :cry: ! I'm using Cd 1.02D I believe. Which one do you have?

Ehm, how exactly do I do that? :help:

Undertaker, to beat guards I added myself (editing save-file) Mist of Doom spell, about 500 HPs and 2000 MPs. No matter what character you're using then *giggles*.

Well, I must note that I didn't know about the existing way to get the item copies, but I surely knew about consequences you described. Yes, when more than one item point to the same number in the list, you shouldn't sell them (others become illegals), and you shouln't put them into one place as well (usually the game crashes). Yes, cheating with switched items and removing a weapon when you have less might than it gives (which is possible with items-cheating, for example, replacing (in save-file) a dagger in your hand with the "Justice" without any other changes) grants you "infinite" (in fact, about 32000 or 65000) value of Might. Yes, this gives you an ability to deliver deadly blows, even being bare-handed. But cheating with protection seems less effective (at least, it looks like protection 256 is the same as 0).

Now about different magical power. I already know that Ak'shel is weaker mage than Conrad and Michael, but I am not sure whether there's a difference between Michael, Conrad, Baccata, Paulson etc. It seems wrong to me, I must check this.
About HPs and MPs per level: I've never seen 25 or even 24 HPs per fighter rank, but I surely have seen 5. My opinion is that mage rank gives you 1-6 (one die), rogue rank - 2-12 (2 dice), fighter rank - 4-24 (4 dice). For fighter rank chance to see the border values is too low (1/1296), so you can hardly notice them.

Michael and Kieran can easily get 2-3 mage levels (above 1st) just using a couple of fireball wands against hornets/skeletons. This is EXTREMELY fast experiencing, trust me. Much move convenient than dealing with the orcs.

Forgot to say about mana points per rank. I am not sure about lower bounds, but it seems that Ak'shel gains 25-37 and everyone else - 16-25.

Undertaker, seems we both were wrong. Michael and Conrad's spells indeed more powerful than Paulson's etc. But Ak'shel is even weaker than Paulson and others (though amount of mana makes him good mage). It seems that the coefficients for spells' damage are the same as the coefficients for their might WRT weapons' power.

Well, to be more exact, Baccata's and Paulson's (probably Lora and Timothy's, too) Spark:'IV' make 60-HPs damages, Michael's - 90, Conrad's - 85, Ak'shel's - 56, and Kieran's - 49 (*).
Analysing the save-files data, I got the values for their power coefficient:
BP - 1, M - 3/2(1.5), C - 183/128(1.43), A - 15/16(0.94), K - 211/256(0.82).
Multiplying this by 60 and taking the integer part, we will have the values (*).
Now about the second meaning of this coefficient:
Supposing that the power coefficient also affects characters' might and comparing (*) to their might with "Justice": BP - 60, M - 97, C - 88, A - 56, K - 52 (**), we get the probable values of the might bonus: BP and A - 0, M - 7, C and K - 3 (there were some more reasons for this proposition).
Now I think I have the formula for might:
might = power coefficient * weapon power + bonus.
Checking this for dagger (power 10) an longsword (power 20) shows that formula seems to be correct.
It follows that weapon power is the same as Paulson's might with this weapon, so if you doubt you can easily check this for other weapons. Please inform me if you find a mistake.

Just... wow. Could you show me how to look at the savegames like that? All I've been able to do is to open them with hex-edit!

I was sure Ak'shel was slightly more powerful, but this proves otherwise.

Did you read about the plans to make a fangame? It's been halted because EA won't allow us to do so. But when we continue the project, this will prove to be valuable information. Would you like to join the project then?

I couldn't do that :cry: ! I'm using Cd 1.02D I believe. Which one do you have? [/b][/quote]
My version is from White Label, bought in Germany, with English-only speech but with subtitles for three languages.
My version is CD1.02 D too...

Thank you. As I said, it is the result of the analysis. Changing one or two bytes, comparing, changing again... Nothing but hex-edit and own mind as the tools. There isn't much work when the effect is clear (though there are still many bytes I cannot understand yet). At present I can say I understand most of the characters' personal information, know how to manage items and spells in album. Not that much, but I keep exploring.

Thank you for your offer. Yesss, it would be pleasing to join your project, though I cannot promise I will always have enough time. Well, we will see.

In case of troubles with this forum, I have the email address:
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(please don't forget to insert the word "Lands" into the subject).

Don't worry about having enough time, because we all have that problem! :ok:

Do you by chanche know the effects of leveling up, aside from increasing HP/MP? I have always wondered about that. I suppose Fighter will increase fighting damage, Rogue hit/evade %, recovery time and possibly bow/crossbow/throwing damage and Mage magic damage. The reason that I'm unsure is that these effects either don't exist or are very, very small.

My email address and MSN is [EDITED]

I've looked up some values I came up with some moths ago:

Timothy/Baccata/Lora/Paulson: 100%

Kieran: 100% * 5/6 + 2
Ak'shel: 100% * 14/15 (not bad for a dracoid!)
Conrad: 100% * 17/12 + 5
Michael: 100% * 89/60 + 8

I have never fully checked these values, but they seemed true for the dagger and Justice. But things change now you cleared up that you have to take the integer values, instead of rounding down or up.

You're right about all of these values. Mine are not far off, except for Conrad's! :wall:

You've found it without hex-codes? Congratulations, very good estimation. I am not absolutely sure about my bonus values (inside the file there are different values. I can explain how they can produce 7,3, and 0, but no proof...), so maybe it's you who are right here.
Taking the integer value is the same as truncation towards 0.

Looks like mage level affects the time for recovering. No extra damage, as far as I know (I will check this soon). Not sure about the extra damages or chance to make successful blow for fighter and rogue levels - this might be true, but no easy way to check.
I've heard the opinion that high rogue level also helps you to find the items in trunks etc. (in addition to picking the locks).

By the way, there seem to be 2 hollows in Southern forest, 2 stumps in Yvel woods and 2 other in Upper Opinwood where I've never found anything. So the most noticeable items available in such places are: an axe, green skull, two bezel rings, 3-stoned bezel cup, star "Polaris", green skull, wand of Lightning... Can anyone remember other items, of course not salves, aloe, ginseng, oil, swarms and coins?

I have learned that the recovery time for magic and physical strikes is not the same (for Kieran and possibly for all others). Also there's no matter what fighter and mage level does character have, but the rogue level causes fighter recovery time shortening. :max:

About the might modifiers: I believe yours are more accurate, if not correct.

When you succesfully strike a monster, your recovery time is cut in about 1/3. In the disk version, when you made it to Rogue level 7 (without item bonusses) you're recovery time will be about equal to that recovery time. Kieran either always strikes with that speed or somewhere around that.
This speed bonus was nerfed in the Cd version though...

Rogue level also helps to pick locks (duh). I don't know about item finding, but it might be true; when I played the game some years ago, I always leveled up a lot. I usually found one Bezel Ring in a tree hole. But nowadays I don't level up much and I can't seem to find it...

In one of the posts here is a guy that thought he had once found the Zephyr Ring in a tree hole. The Zephyr ring can be found in a chest behind the door with the Fancy Lock, so it can't be found normally. It cuts your recovery time in 1/3.
It could be a theory that, if your Rogue level is high enough, this ring can be found in a tree hole.
But it's more likely he confused it with the Bezel Ring! :D

Now onto something completely different...

Do you remember that button in Castle Cimmeria level 2, that didn't seem to do anything? It's in the south part of the level, on a north wall. Well, it indeed does nothing, but behind it is a chest with a Cloud Ring. The effects of this ring are still unknown...

I was able to find the Zephyr ring, too, and I still remember that the recovery time after a hit was pretty decreased for Maikel with that ring, as if he would be Kieran. I don't remember when I found it, though, but the ring can be found normally.

Seems now I understand how to check the delay values. The results will follow (maybe not today).

The button that dissapears when you press it? Clear, thank you.
Maybe you also know something about these four buttons along a corridor on Tower's second floor?

I think that if Bezel ring saves the owner from poisons and other negative effects, then maybe Cloud or one of the other rings saves the owner from stun (:crazy:)?

No, the button doesn't disappear. It seems to me that the wall should move, so that you can reach it, but it doesn't.

I have no idea what the buttons in the Tower are supposed to do. I'll check all possible combinations (that's only 2^4 = 16 possible combinations).

I checked the ring, but you still get stunned! Maybe the entire chest was just removed from the game, and the ring never got any special properties.

I experimented with them earlier once when I was playing the game. The only effect I was able to produce with one of the combinations is a fireball flying in short intervals through the corridor from the side of where the pits are behind the illusionary wall that hurts party and mosters likewise. Got one of those weird chickens once, with two hits... *g*

That's cool! I think I once had it fire acid! :D

Well, did it myself. According to that formula, Ak'shel cannot have might 10 with a dagger. My apologizes.
Now I propose the adjusted one (which also corresponds to the save-files data):
First, character's might depends on his hand's shape. Human's and thomgog's hands have might 1, mage's hand has might 3/4 , and cat's paw has only 1/2.
Second, there are bonuses for the characters:
BP - 0, M - 5, C - 2, A - 1, K - 5.
Third, there are power coefficients for them:
BP - 1, M - 3/2(1.5), C - 183/128(1.43), A - 5/4(1.25), K - 211/128(1.65).
So the formula must be
might = [[(weapon power + bonus) * hand's might] * power coefficient],
where [x] means the integer part of x.
Note that double truncation is necessary only for Ak'shel and Kieran.

By the way I am not Reanimator...

Yeah, sorry about that. i wanted to quote two people! :D

I just got the game off of Ebay, the CD version, and I'm playing it on a 98 Box except the sound quality isn't good at all, I have to go and use midi which does the game no justice. If there is anything anyone could do that would be great

I'm afraid you'll have to stay with the MIDI music. It's the only kind of music this game has... :)

The game does NOT only have midi music! You should run the game with VDMsound. It works great for me; the only flaws it has it that it's slows down the music and sometimes the sound stutters. The slowing down of the music might be causes by the fact I only have a P500...

What do you mean? Lands of Lore 1 does have only MIDI music that sounds better with MIDI soundcard than with the Soundblaster MIDI. Only Lands of Lore 2 has the digital music. I would know, as I have both games on CD...

Me too! I might be mistaking, because I'm not a techie. But if you listen to Lands of Lore 1 MIDI's, you'll notice that it doesn't sound exactly like the actual in-game music.

Yeah I noticed it when you heal people and when you attack, and even the music is slightly different, but if VDM sound works then I'll have to give it a shot thanks

Well, the MIDI music in the game is not General MIDI format like MID or RMI, it's an XMI music, Extended MIDI format I think, so it sounds often better than the synthetical General MIDI. But it is nevertheless MIDI music. ;)

Well, the MIDI music in the game is not General MIDI format like MID or RMI, it's an XMI music, Extended MIDI format I think, the format was created for Roland Sound Canvas card originally, so it sounds often better than the synthetical General MIDI. But it is nevertheless MIDI music. ;)

Here are the data on delays I promised long ago.
There are three sorts of delays: the delay after shots or failed blows (x), the delay after successful blows (y), and the delay after spellcasting (z).
The first delay depends on rogue level and also on character. For all characters except Kieran x=10 (about 2.5 or 3 seconds) at levels 1-3, x=9 at levels 4-7, and x=7 at levels 8-10. For Kieran x=7 at levels 1-7 and x=6 at levels 8-10. Note that rogue enhancers like jade necklace do not matter.
The second delay is equal to 4, regardless the rogue level your character has.
Zephyr ring divides all these delays by 2 (with taking an integer part, so Kieran would always have x=3 and y=2, others have x=5 or x=4 at lower rogue levels and x=3 since 8th).
The third delay always equals to 8, though maybe some items modify it.

Mistakes aren't expected but possible.

I have checked this against Lahrkon, too. Indeed, only Baccata has such ability. It doesn't look like fighter level matters here, but probably the higher is your rogue level the more often are successful blows (at level 10, about 1/2 of all blows were successful).
I have found three weapons giving Baccata this ability: sabre "Cutter", sabre "Gutter", and axe "Slitter".
Indeed, the damage is always 4 (sometimes 8 if you wield two such weapons).

Throwing the weapon or armor (any weapon, including blunt ones, but not rocks) may damage Lahrkon as well.
And, of course, if you are true rogue, you can easily kill it with westwood stick (no matter who uses it).

That's REALLY great information!! Thank you! :kosta:

Be sure to drop by at http://37852.rapidforum.com and read about the project some time. The site is German, but you may post in English (I do).

I have visited www.ethereallore.com.
Well, I must note that there is some useful information (for example, extra might Baccata has with the sabre "Cutter" explains why can he damage Larkhon (or Lahrkon)), but also many mistakes.
I think I have more correct data on the monsters' health, resistances etc. It needs additional verifying though...

Hey, you are superfreaks of this game here. I didn't know what was the "Larkhon" thing till I looked for it at some walkthrough, and then I discovered it was that giant worm over the Urbish mines. When I played the game lots of years ago I indeed killed it by throwing maces or swords to it, not using the green skulls as it is supposed to be. Tried the same with Scotia, but she always killed me before I could do so with her. Is it possible to kill her in such way or she has so many HP that it is in fact impossible? Anyway, brilliant game, one of the RPGs I love.

That was me in the previous post, don't know why sometimes I don't seem to get logged.

I litteraly did hundreds of thousands points of damage to her, and she still lived. I guess her HP is infinite.

But a friend of Maerryji thought he'd beaten her once, but he doesn't remember it well! :cry:

I think it was Mateej's friend.
I've never heard about killing Scotia without using Truth before I visited this forum. (Well, I've pushed her to a pit once but in the version I had this didn't make me win. No Scotia, no victory.)

I guess pushing her to a pit doesn't make her die, but instead she'll be in the level below, like the party would fall through, too. There you can find her and still can kill here.

I think it was Mateej's friend.
I've never heard about killing Scotia without using Truth before I visited this forum. (Well, I've pushed her to a pit once but in the version I had this didn't make me win. No Scotia, no victory.) [/b][/quote]
Sorry, my mistake! :wall:

How can you push Scotia in a pit? You can't reach a pit in the final battle, or you? :blink:

How can you push Scotia in a pit? You can't reach a pit in the final battle, or you? :blink:[/b][/quote]
NP, spare your head!

I have already told this: one wall in Scotia's domain is removable. You need to push Scotia through it using the dark gauntlet or Hand of Fate spell (there's only one point she wouldn't enter if you don't push her, this is correct one). Then you can lead her around a column once again and run to any place on the floor. She will be stalking you.

Look at my userpic!!! It was directly taken from the game screen (no editing! :ph34r: ) 'Respects for Maerryji who helped me'.

Dual Scotia's?? How did you do that?? :blink: :hairpull:

I kind of overlooked this post... could you tell me what changes this edit bring? Do you actually have Dawn in your party? Or does this just changes the portrait? And what happens if Dawn speaks? Does she have her own voice?

This only changes the portrait. I doubt there's a way to make her join us, so this must be just the trace of a script branch which is absent in the released game.

I don't have any voices in my current version, but as far as I remember you may switch them, too (at least, screams' sounds). There might be two woman's screams if this was prepared too. But I don't think CD version has the extra speach for the removed script parts.

But I will be happy to hear that there is correct way to make Dawn join us.

I see. So the portrait does change moves when she talks, winks etc., but she screams like Conrad and her characteristics and name is like Conrad's, right?

Exactly.

To Undertaker: If you want I can make three ... :whistle:

But, how...??

I posted in the troubleshooting sectoin but wanted to post here
too, I am trying to play Lands of Lore I, but cant get the
game to go past where you pick the character you want,
the screen goes black and just sits there.

I have Win 98 SE and 6 GB of Hdrive, 64 RAM, and
snd blaster snd integrated on a Pentium II, i can play
all sorts of other older games, including the kyranida series,
doom, all sorts.

I get the movie in the intro, with music but no voices.

Is something wrong with my sound set up? I selected
Snd Blaster, not sound blaster pro, ....

Any suggestoins would be great.
Chris :ok:

Hmm, I've heard the black screen problem before. I don't know the exact solution for this, but running this game in either Dosbox or VDMsound should fix all the problems. I'd recommend VDMsound for it's low system requirements. :ok:

As far as I know, first versions of Lands I had processor type checking which failed if you have Pentium or something better. There could be patches fixing it but if you don't find them you may try to change it by yourself:
Open main.exe using hex-editor. Find the symbols (in hex-code)
C3 74 13 66 B8 01
and replace them with
-- EB -- -- -- --
(address 0002919C in disk version and 00054FC2 in CD version).
Advice was taken directly from the Russian forums, and I think I have applied it once successfully.
Hope it doesn't break any laws.

Probably the thing I have just discovered will be extremely interesting for all the Lands I fans and for anyone who would not mind to play it once again.

If you know Quake I, you may also know that there are 3 complexity levels (easy, normal, and hard), same as for Lands. But there is one more level not visible in the game menu. It is called "Nightmare" and you can set it only using a console command. Reanimator once supposed that Lands I also can have such mode, although he had no clues and proposed no ways for checking this.
Still he deserves respect as long as his prediction turned out to be correct.

Please spread this information as wide as you can:

There is "nightmare" mode in Lands I. In disk version to turn it on you should:
load the game or start a new one, set sounds, music, and floating cursor off, smooth scrolling on, monsters ferocious, and save the game. Then open the save-file with hex-editor, find position (all numbers are hexadecimal) 00000253 (or close to it) with the symbol 28 (character "(") and replace it with 38 (character "8"). Load the game and check game controls. There must be written that "Monsters are [Main menu]". Now restore the settings you like (except the "Monsters are" paragraph) and enjoy the nightmare!

(CD version probably allows this too but I am not sure about the symbol to find and the value to set. Going to find this out as soon as possible.)

:kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

Really, your friend deserves great respect!! I really ought to check this out as soon as I can!!

:kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

In CD version this symbol is at position (hex)0000025E. With the default settings, it is 1B, with ferocious monsters - 2B and to make them nightmare-like you should set it to 3B.

Nightmare monsters in disk version strike fast like a hurricane, and in CD version their blows don't seem to miss.

Wow, they barely have recharge time? I got to try that out FAST!
:Titan: :boxing: :karate:

Ehm, could someone give me a little help with hex-editing? I've opened the savegame with the correct options with the Freeware Hex Editor XVI32. Now I see a lot of fields. To the left there's a field with a vertical list of numbers: 0, 11, 22 etc. In the middle are a lot of fields with the usual stuff: 41, 6B, 21 etc. To the right is a weird field that has the name of my savegame, "Ak'shel Nightmare" and a lot of squares.

Now, I can't find the number (2B; I have the Cd version) you mentioned anywhere. I also don't understand what (hex)0000025E means. I suppose it has something to do with the left column, but it doens't have any 25E...

Any help would me much appreciated! :ok:

I always said!!! Nightmare EXISTS!!! :Brain:
THE GREATEST respects for Maerryji!

About multiple Scotia's: there isn't difficult to make this in any version of Lands but the method was discovered by Maerryji so let him explain it himself. By the way, this method lets you kill the 3rd Scotia's shape!!!
:D :cheers: :ok:

Oh! I've just noticed that in CD version nightmare mode, discovered by Maerryji, is not so hard because your character's blows don't miss, too. So I don't like it. :eeeeeh:

I don't have the hex-editor you mentioned but probably my doesn't differ much.
The left column must contain addresses of the string (i.e., 1st 16 symbols in the file are marked with 00000000, next 16 - with 00000010 etc.). This is hexadecimal number, so 11th string should be marked with 000000A0. Address 0000025E mean you must find a 15th symbol in the string labelled with 00000250 (E is 15th because 0 is the 1st). For the disk version this address is 253, so you would need 4th symbol in that string.

There should be a symbol representing game settings. If you have default settings (music:on sound:on monsters:normal smooth scrolling:on floating cursor:off) its value must be (hex)1B. For nightmare mode, you need its first digit to be 3 (3B would do). This works for both CD and disk version.

In the middle column in hex-editor screen you can edit the hex-codes of the symbols The right part contains the same symbols "as is".

Damnation, Reanimator seems to be right. So there's no effective nightmare mode in CD version.

That would mean this mode is even easier that Wimpy mode, since you can just step back and let monsers come to you. :wall:

Does the disk version have this too?

No, in disk version it doesn't look like this mode affects the probability to strike successfully (neither your nor monsters'). For sure, both monsters and characters sometimes miss.

Hehe. I made a mistake: I didn't fully shove one of the bars in Audio Control to the left: but now it works fine.

The Cd version's Nightmare mode disappoints me, but the disk version's rocks like solid gold! :Titan:

I've noticed Undertaker's thread about making the game more complicated at
http://37852.rapidforum.com/area=3
It is a bit too long for me to read, but I publish my own methods for anyone's interested. (I've also heard some of Reanimator's cruel ideas, but telling them is up to him.)
Usually I play without using wands, aces, guardians, and curing items (I was always too greedy to use them anyway), without using Vaelan's cube against ghosts (it's too easy).
I do not pick Timothy and do not use Lora's fighting abilities (Sadie won't pay me for training her niece and I don't need that as well).
Later I stopped picking a lantern and an atlas, sometimes even a compass.
Ferocious level became default long ago, but now I think the age of another difficulty level begins.
Of course, all these self-restrictions are optional for me.

There's Reanimator's idea I liked much: passing the game as fast as possible. (Loading the games is allowed but the time you've spent is counted even if you want to replay something).

With some of my usual restrictions which had just became habits, my best time is 2h25m.
So Lands I is not too long game after you spent years playing it!

Trying to be brief.
Aim: Unknown items
Method: Me, Reanimator
Dull work: Me
Result: Great maul "Pillage"
Location: Opinwood (under the closest to the Mines rock)
Fair way to get: Unknown, welcomed
Way to get: Hex-editing, trainers.

Additional result: Hale leather jerkin
Location: Yvel (2EN from Sadie's chop)
Ways to get: Hex-editing, trainers. No fair way known.

Hehe. Nice find! This one's a little odd: you can pick this one up by clicking on the rock, but only if you've entered the square behind it (by a cheat). I don't know wheather this is a bug, or that you're not supposed to get this weapon at all. But my guess is that it is a bug; there are very few mauls compared to swords. But then again, halberds are kind of rare, too.

The Hale Leather Jerkin: wow, even though you said where it was, it took me a while to find it. You guys have a sharp eye! :sneaky:

The "stairs down shortcut" -bug in White Tower level 2 (disk version only): in the dark room, get the Mystic Key from the niche. After that, place any item in the niche, open the door and press the butten. The wall will change and another button will appear (kind of like in the Draracle's Caves, to get to the Jeweled Dagger). Keep pressing the buttons until you see a stair. You can still press the button a couple of times, without having it disappear. This stair is actually the stairs down back to level 1. If you walk in it backwards, you'll take the stairs down.

Did anyone ever get a Halberd from the Pentrogs in the part with the Orcs in Opinwood? I once got two from both, but I've never found them again.

Finishing the game as fast as possible? I've never tried that. I almost finished the game in 4 days time, if it weren't for the flu! :ranting:
But then I did everything and didn't rush anything.

I once finished the game without atlas and compass, but I always take the lantern (dark screens are bad for the eyes). In the same game, I didn't cast a single spell, except for igniting gas in the Mines! Try to get past the Necro Saps in the Catwalk Caverns! :sneaky:

But I play Lands of Lore mainly for fun, so I don't do this very often! :D

It's not a bug. You are allowed to get the items from under the walls if you know where they are. Also, you are allowed to pick the item from a closed niche if you have put it there yourself (or if you've seen it, not sure about this).

Yesss, of course. Its probability is less than 10% but there are 3-5 centaurs (all right, Pentrogs) who can have it.

Even if you have solved all the puzzles (well, all the puzzles I know solutions for), killed all the monsters, looted all chests, visited all shops, checked both Jewelled dagger and Silver goblet ways, had a luck with that chest on the Tower's 1st floor, you still can't be sure you know all the items.

Here is the list of the items you need a luck to find (at least, in disk version):
1. Horseshoe
2. Halberd (if you are loyal and do not consider Gladstone guards as "monsters")
3. Great maul
4. Sickle
5. Worn key
6. Long sword "Gnarl"
7. Long sword "Snarl"
8. Long sword "Gnash"
9. Great sword "Trouble"
10. Dwarvish scale mail
11. Ebony key
12. Eagle great sword
13. Great axe "Death"

There are also items you can only get using a cheat (no fair way known):
1. Great maul "Pillage"
2. Zephyr ring
3. Bow "Tempest"
4. Cloud ring *
5. Great bow "Darkness" *
(thanks to Undertaker for *)

Are you sure about that? I clicked at the wall for about ten times with no result. Then I entered the square and walked back, clicked and got the maul! :blink:

In the square to the right of the right treisure chest behind the "you have no faith" door, there's a Long Sword and a Scale Male.

I guess all this stuff was just left behind by the programmers, because they didn't care about 'cleaning it up'. I can't blame them for that! :D

Oh! Fine! I've already known that (bug?). There was the same thing in the oldest version of Lands but I didn't need to put anything in that niche. So I thought that this (bug?) was erased in other versions.
:cheers:

Are you sure about that? I clicked at the wall for about ten times with no result. Then I entered the square and walked back, clicked and got the maul![/b][/quote]
You've misunderstood me.
If you know where the item is (in-game, i.e., you've seen it already) you can get it even if it's under wall or in closed niche. That's the way I always get humanoid figurine.

Check this in any place where the closing walls are: put something to the floor there, leave and try to get it when the wall appears.

Long sword and scale mail??? I've not found anything like that. Couldn't you explain where were you found them?

Ah, my mistake. I meant the third White Tower level, in the square to the right of the right treisure chest behind the "You have no Faith" door. Are you still following me? :D

Behind the door in the north east in the third White Tower level, there is a door you can only open if you have the Crucible of Faith in your inventory. Behind the door are two treisure chests. The items are in the square to the right of the right treisure chest.

Oh! Fine! I've already known that (bug?). There was the same thing in the oldest version of Lands but I didn't need to put anything in that niche. So I thought that this (bug?) was erased in other versions.
:cheers: [/b][/quote]
You might be right about not having to put anything in the niche; I didn't check that... :tomato:

Ah, yes. Now I get it.

But couldn't it be that the programmers wanted you to be able to get that maul but forgot about that rule?

Could you please use the EDIT button more? You just made multiple posts.

Dear VIP,
We're just discussing the game secrets here. It is much easier to follow the discussion if new information is contained in the new postings. As for me, I cannot edit my messages anyway because I am not registered.
If you need some information you're free to ask. If you just want to know more you should wait until we gather more data. Then we probably will sum it up at some site.

:blink: Dear :blink: Maerryji:
I'm please to see you're all trying to contribute (by gathering data for the game), but in general multiple posts are something people should try to avoid. If possible one should try to include more information in a single post, to making new ones one after the other. I realise that it's sometimes easier this way, that's why I'm not even considering moderating the posts, but I just stated that for the future reference.

Please continue the discusion. :ok:

PS - you're also more then welcome to join the comunity and register.

OK, I'll do my best! Sorry about the previous few posts; I could have made fewer. :ok:

To Undertaker: I'm still following you :D but I mean I've not found anything there in both Lands versions I've got :eeeeeh:

P.S. I'm not a discoverer of nightmare mode. The discoverer is Maerryji himself.
My merit is I predicted that nightmare exists. :angel:

That's... odd. I couldn't have dropped it myself, because there's only one Scale Mail in the entire game and I had the other one in my inventory. Or where there two? If so, I've just made a HUGE mistake and you should all laugh at me! LOL

Edit: You're both too modest! You're greater gods of the Lands than Anu!

Watch This! Here is an addition to Maerryji's item list. I've never seen anyone talk about those things:

axe "Splitter"
great axe "Meister"
great axe "Executioner"
great maul "Thor's Fist"
great maul "Armageddon"
great bow "Tracker"
long sword "Ares' Breath"
long sword "Life Taker"
rapier "Coup D' Grace"
staff "Gainful"
bloody staff
trident "Pestilence"
Mesmer's great helm
aegis kite shield
bronze key
blood key
talba ring
vortex scroll

This is the full list of unknown items of Lands.
It is created by Maerryji (algorithm) and Me (performance) :sneaky: .

Dear VIP!
I ssssstrongly doubt I am "more then welcome to join the comunity and register" because I don't wishhhh to be called neither "newbie spammer" nor "Abandonia nerd". And I don't have that much time and cannot post 12.17204301 messages every single day ssssso I won't ever become somethhhing VIP-like here.

Undertaker, there are indeed two scale mails (both are in the chests in Draracle cave level 3) but it's not a reason to laugh at you. I also haven't found it in the place you described but maybe you aren't wrong. There might be special conditions for them to appear. Well, maybe you can just check it again?
(By the way, does your trainer let you move through the walls only within the same area or you can cross them? If you need I can tell you the position of level-byte in save file.)

One more useless but nice secret: did you know that there are "mirror areas" for Northern and Southern forests? It means there is a place in Northland forest which mirrors the Southern one and vice versa. I've found it with HET (hex-editing techniques) but probably trainers can reach it, too.

I don't completely understand what you mean here. I guess you mean skipping entire levels by crossing area's. No, I can't do that but my trainer allows me "unlimited movement"; I can just pass through walls the same way ghosts would do. I will check out the location again soon! :ok:

Yes, I know about the mirror area's :D ! My first guess was that the programmer's intention was to put both levels in one, but it would be pointless to do that for BOTH levels. But it's cool nonetheless.
Did you know about the little area behind Vulture's Chasm in the Yvel Woods? :max:

I did know about the Great Maul "Armaggeddon"; it's in the item list at www.ethereallore.com! :D
But isn't Axe "Splitter" a common axe? I know there's Axe "Slitter" and I think there was another axe named something like that. But I'm unsure about this...

About the titles: yes, I have to agree here. The titles are not very friendly towards newcomers. I wonder what I'll be called next when I hit the 100 posts... :tai:

To teleport between the areas you can use HET. The addres of byte which represents level is 0000025E (disk version) or 00000269 (CD version). Acceptable values are 01-1D. Tower level 3 is 15. Together with trainer it would be useful.

I think you're right about the mirror areas. So when it was decided to put them to different places programmers have just made a copy and updated the design for it without changing the maps.

First one who told me about the area behind Vulture's Chasm was Reanimator.
But he didn't mention any links with Dungeons there.

Your next title is "tech wizz".

OK - first off I apologize for spaming (but I can't contact with Maerryji in any other way). Those titles you refer too are made according to the number of posts yes, but the VIP status has nothing to do with it.
If you contribute (could be technical solutions, games reviews,...) you can become a VIP (it's got nothing to do with the number of posts) - and if nothing else, it's easier to comunicate.
The comunity is welcoming and those titles have no connection with the atitude (and the counts are from whenever you joind forth - so you wouldn't need a huge number of daily posts).

OK - enough :ot: from me, just wanted to clear that up.

Please continue the discusion :ok:

To Sebatianos: My apologizes if I was too harsh.

Sorry for the offtopic caused by my posts.

Back to the topic: Great maul "Armageddon", axe "Splitter", and long sword "Life taker" (maybe some more items, too) are indeed mentioned at www.ethereallore.com.
But do you know any way (in-game or cheating-based) to find them?
By the way there are many clear mistakes in those manuals. For example Shard of Truth and Ruby of Truth are claimed to add 5 defense points which doesn't seem to be right.

Hmm, I'm not really an expert in hex-editing. I wouldn't know how to find these items, either...

But how did you create that list of unknown items (with the Talba Ring, Vortex Scroll etc.)? Wouldn't that help us out?

I've tried the Vortex spell with a trainer, and I've noticed the extreme low MP usage for this spell; level 1 needs 3 MP and level 4 needs 24 MP; I guess this spell was either meant to be the basic spell, or was to be found even before the Freeze spell. Or maybe the Freeze spell replaces the Vortex spell; that does make sense to me: First Vortex was made up, but then they needed the use of Freeze in the Swamps, so they ditched Vortex.

Hey, I was wondering what your opinion is about these subjects:

- Best main character
Mine is Michael, because he deals HUGE physichal and magical damage and advances so fast in the Fighter and Mage levels. A little bit of alghorithm:
Michael + Spark = Death to all.

- Favorite main character (nostalgy wise :D !)
Ak'shel!

- Best/worst offensive spell
Best: Spark, for it's low MP cost, decent damage even near end-game and it's incredible long range (one square further than Fireball!).
Worst: Lightning; quite high MP cost, so-so damage. What Lightning does, Spark does better, aside from not multitargeting monsters. Freeze would have been worse, but it serves somewhat use in the Draracle's Caves for groups of spiders, as it's your only multitarget spell at the time. I'm also not too fond about Hand of Fate; you need to cast at least level 3 to do any damage (somehow, levels 1 & 2 are the same and 2 uses more MP!) but it has it's use in the White Tower, even though I would advise against using it here (better not rest a lot and move QUICK :max: ).

- Best item to duplicate
I still am not sure about this. My guess would be the Aegis Plate Mail, even though you would have to come back from Castle Cimmeria lv. 3. :tai:
Weapons aren't really that useful, since you can either have two or three weapons (depends on which race you helped in the Dungeons) with weapon factor 60, and two with 56 anyway. I'm not even counting the Crossbows now. Another good choice would be the Jade Neckless or maybe even Crossbow Eternity (BEST long ranged weapon, imho). People who use items could also choose to duplicate the Death Wand.

Share me your opinions! :D

I got Vortex spell by HET once but it does nothing, don't it? Vortex scroll just causes game crash when you try to read it.

It's really hard to explain how to produce items for those who don't have hex-code hacking or programming experience. It's harder than the things I have described before so it would be out of forum format. If you need this for fan-game project I can try to describe this (think it would be easier for me than for Reanimator) and send you by e-mail.

The best main character is Baccata and that makes Ak'shel best support one. I dislike dumbs so prefer Conrad rather than Michael (85 or 90 damage by Spark:IV isn't a big difference). I know you can get mage level or two for Michael before Draracle's caves but the first one is so boring... so it's easier to do it in Upper Opinwood, using fireball wand (one wand easily makes him level 3 mage). Conrad can have 3rd with a half before he leaves Manor.

Spark is a good spell to fight unless your enemy has other vulnerabilities.
Mist of Doom is nice, especially for Ak'shel with his 180MP at 5th level.
Fireball and Freeze are good only against vulnerable enemies.
Lightning and Hand of Fate are almost useless, but the worst one is Caustic Fog!
But: Before you can use Mist of Doom at Tower level 3, the best spell to level up is surely Fireball:II-IV against hornets. And Freeze lets you gain 6-12k silver to buy fireball wands.

Item to duplicate? Hm... Westwood stick? Zephyr ring if we would find a way to get it? Great axe "Master" if you wish westwood stick but are too lazy to gain 5th rogue level?

It was me... damn it.

Some information to avoid senceless postings:
Amount of experience needed for levels 2-10 is:
500, 1500, 5000, 25000, 50000, 80000, 120000, 180000, and 270000.

Hehe. That's not fair! "The best main character is Baccata". With a main characters, I mean the guys which you can choose at the start of the game! :D
Ak'shel is really good at the 'hard' places in the Lands; he's the best healer, since the healing amount is not dependend on anything and he has the most MP.
Conrad does get the first mage level faster, but Michael get's the second one faster. In the end, it only matters 4 MP, so therefore I do not consider Conrad a better mage than Michael.

About the experience points: are the values cumulative? I mean, do you need to gain 500 experience points for level 2 and another 1000 for level 3? Or do you need 1500?

I believe throwing stuff nets you about 1 exp.; you mentioned that an item in the start of the game is non-throwable, right? Well, if you keep picking it up and throw it really fast, you can get to Rogue level 3 (or even 4 if you got to much time) in 15 minutes time! Useful if you are having problems and want some easy extra HP.

I know Vortex doesn't do anything, but I was considering why it has ever existed! :D

I don't really like spells with high MP cost, since you need to rest so long and monsters get generated while you rest.
Did you know you can reset the monster spawning time by saving and reloading? A cheap way to get past difficult area's! :max:

I meant that Baccata becomes the best character since you get him. He's much better fighter than Michael. So I prefer Ak'shel as long as he's surely the best at the first game levels and later he supports Baccata with his magic well.
Yes, Michael's magic is 6% more powerful than Conrad's, but he is dumb! He-he.

Experience: You need 500, then 1000, then 3500 etc. Throwing an item or shooting gives you 2 rogue experience points, I use that oftenly (yes, nonthrowable items are preferable). By the way, if you are doing it at Northland forest you can also practice magic when new boars appear.

About respawning monsters - yes, it looks like this, but I would not use it anyway. I prefer to level up a bit more than it's needed and always be prepared.

It appears as though the boars need twice the spawn time as other monsters. Too bad, because you can really use some early level-ups.

The spawn time continues while you're reading a note, so you can read the Writ of Passage and so something else for five minutes. Then you can beat up the boar and read again. Of course, this aplies for other area's as well.

That's not playing the game anymore, that's pulling the sinews out of the game because there's nothing better to do anymore. At that stage you could instead play some other game, there you will at least have some fun :D

No, it's not. First of all, if we post tricks here it doesn't mean we're actually do it, or at least not often. Secondly, the game is HARD, even for us die-hard fans. Especially with the new nightmare mode, anything is welcome. lastly, of course saving and reloading to reset spawn time would be cheating, but we're gathering knowlegde for the fan project as well.

And I play plenty of other games, don't worry about that. I don't play this game that often anymore, since, indeed, most of it is known already. But with all this new information I hear, I just got to check it out! :D

I don't know who is the best but my favourite char is Kieran. He fights as fast as monsters. His blows are weak but frequent and accurate. :Titan:

My favourite spell is Mist of Doom but I think the most usable is Spark. I cast it even in Cimmeria.

I usually duplicate Rapier ''Coup D' Grace''. I also triplicate and tetraplicate it.:bleh:

Oh, I forgot. Every time you make lucky blow it deals 1000 damage if your opponent has no more than 25% HP.

To Gamefreak: Do you prefer walking through the game over and over again with no changes? I see no sence in such a time-wasting so I try to find something new, solve the puzzles etc. When there left no secrets I could solve in-game I began using HET (save-files aren't packed so it's easy to work with them) and it helped a lot.

It also turned out that all the "construction waste" was not completely removed from the game and you can access it with HET. Now what I do is like treasure-hunting. For me it's much more interesting than playing itself, maybe because I'm not fond of being only a consumer.

Here is the summed up data on killing Scotia. (Some were provided by Undertaker and Mateej, some were discovered by me).

The common way to kill Scotia is to combine the Ruby of Truth and the Shard of Truth and apply it while she is shapeshifting. Then you have to deal with her true form only. If you just kill her two primary battleforms she turns into nightmare creature which is immune to almost everything. Most of the players would tell you that now you're dead, but it is not correct.

First, note that there are three ways to deliver a damage to whoever you fight with.
You may do it
a) using the westwood stick;
b) throwing a weapon or armor (not the rocks) into your enemy; or
c) using sabre "Cutter", sabre "Gutter", axe "Slitter", or axe "Splitter" by Baccata.
It doesn't seem that you can defeat Scotia's last form these ways (she has more than million hit points for sure), but you may kill her while she is shapeshifting. That doesn't cause a victory yet, but there's a way to use this, too...

So let's suppose you already have the Whole Truth and westwood stick. You also may need the Dark Gauntlet or Hand of Fate spell and enough amount of mana and health (level up a bit if you aren't sure). Make sure you have not killed all the "toads" at the upper floor of Cimmeria (two of them hide within the walls and won't attack you if you didn't touch the buttons, so you can easily spare them).

Pushing Scotia across her domain with Hand of Fate/Dark Gauntlet you can break one of the walls. So you can always get out if she is alive, no matter what appearence she has. Do so and find any of the toads. You may see that it's not a toad anymore, but the main point is that it glows with blue like Scotia when she begins to shapeshift. (The only in-game reason for this I can see is that Scotia uses Mask to move to her guardian's body).

So you can apply the Whole Truth now. This creature becomes Scotia, and so does true Scotia behind you. You need to kill any of them to win.
If you killed true Scotia while she was shapeshifting you also can find the fake one and destroy it (don't forget to use the Whole Truth before or it will just die).

Oh, no!!! My userpic is declassified! :wall: :cry: :wall:

So he becomes the best warrior since you find westwood stick. But before this he's pathetic.

Is it about that rapier, "Coup de Grace"? Merciful weapon, indeed! *laughs*

Could you tell us how to get that weapon bij HET? :kosta:

It seems that timer for health and mana restoration works the same way, so you can improve your regeneration... if you won't be bored after first 3 HP.
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The spawn time continues while you're reading a note...
[/quote]This is very useful. Thank you!

Reminder: the nightmare difficulty level was discovered.
To set it make sure that you have the default game settings:
Music:on Sound:on Monsters are:normal Smooth scrolling:on Floating cursor:off
and save the game. Now open it with hex-editor, find the symbol 1B at position 00000253 (disk version) or 0000025E (CD version), and replace it with 3B. Load the game and check the game controls. If you see the
Monsters are:Main menu
setting you're in the nightmare now. To get back just click the button.

This is more brief and accurate version of the algorithm than the previous one.

What I do is the following:

Set the game to Normal and save. Immediately (and I mean immediately) go back in the Main Menu, change to Ferocious and save on a new slot. Now open a hexeditor and compare the scores. This way you can find the values as well! :D

The problem with that is - to search for a change in values in the savegame, you have to search through the entire savegame, and then the second savegame as well, which is a heck of a work. You can compare the two savegames with a Dos command though:
fc /b filename1 filename2
Be sure to be in a Dos prompt (Start - Run - cmd.exe), otherwise the window will close once the command is executed and you can't see the results of the comparison.

No, you don't have to, because the needed values are always close to the one's Maerryji has said! :D

Yes, but if you don't know the values from somewhere, you have otherwise to toil to search the entire files up ;)

Shady Talamari affairs.

The early version(s) of Lands had a bug: Heal:III and Heal:IV spells did not cure characters who lacked too much health. Healing dead characters who had too many HP by bezel cups caused even worse bug: your character's health was restored, but character became zombie-like: unconscious, unable to use wands etc., and invulnerable to all damages (as far as I remember, I won't even die at sinkholes if I had such zombie). This character could only be used as shield against monsters. I didn't find any way to resurrect them, except for loading the game.

Later the bug with bezel cups was fixed, but Heal:III and Heal:IV spells still do not bring the character to perfect condition if his or her wounds are too deep.
If the character needs 128 or more HP at once, these spells restore only 16HP.

Yes, I've discussed this bug at the Rapidforum before. I estimated the lack of HP around 150. 128 is of course a more logical number.

I've never experienced the Bezel Cup bug, and it doesn't sound like something I'd like to experience! :sneaky:

Here are the additional data on delays. Three kinds of delays are denoted by x (delay after shot or missed blow), y (delay after the lucky blow), and z (delay after spell). The value x depends on character and his or her rogue level. Denote the x-delay at rogue levels 1-3 by x1, x-delay at levels 4-7 by x4 and x-delay at levels 8-10 by x8.

Previous data (disk version): For all characters except Kieran x1=10, x4=9, x8=7; for Kieran x1=x4=7, x8=6. For all characters y=4 and z=8.
This was checked only at ferocious difficulty level.

New data (CD version): At ferocious level everything remains the same, but at normal level some of the delays are greater: For all characters except Kieran x1=12, x4=10, x8=8, for Kieran x1=8, x4=7, x8=6. Values of y and z remain constant.
Delays at wimpy difficulty level look the same as at normal.

It is possible that CD and disk version have the equal delays, but I have not checked it yet. And I'm going to obtain nightmare level delays as well.

I do not know why the x-delays are shorter at harder difficulty level. Probably the monsters' delays wane much faster than characters' if you set the harder level, so the reason was to make the difference between the rogue levels smaller. In other words, at the most difficult level you can hardly feel the effect of getting 4th rogue level, and at easy or normal difficulty 4th rogue level helps your characters much.

By the way, I have improved my last result and walked through the game in 2 hours 4 minutes (level: ferocious, self-restriction: not using Vaelan's cube against the monsters).

Ah, so your recovery time depends on the difficulty level! I thought the disk verion had much shorter recovery times, because when I reached Rogue level 7, my characters recovered about as fast as Kieran would. This didn't work in the Cd version. It turns out that the difficulty was responsible. Great job, Maerryji! :ok:

2 hours 4 minutes? One word: respect! :max:

By the way, just noticed: xiK=(xi+y)/2. I mean that Kieran's x-delay is in the middle between other characters' x-delay at the same level and their y-delay. Rounded up...

My advice about processor type checking was taken from
http://lol1.nm.ru/
You can find more useful things there. The cheats are at
http://lol1.nm.ru/lol-cht.dhtml
Site is in Russian, but some cheats probably need no translation.

Why can't the game be downloaded? it says its under the protection of ESA. whats going on here?

Nothing's going on here, the game is ESA-protected. And we're no longer allowed to host it because we lost the permission to do so. Sorry.:)

Yeah you can thank EA for doing that. Does anyone out there know how to get the game and sound to work on an xp machine. Perferably with software that won't totally screw up your system.

You can use my sig!
Too get the game!

Try DosBox that you can download through a link on this main site. Documentation is also available on their site.

Excelente, Es perfecto :ok:

oh! now I want to play Lands of lore.

I hope i won't have any trouble since I don"t have the manual. (I doubt the english version will pass)

anyway.

I heard about a way to duplicate objets. How ? I reach the white tower, but since I have only one emrauld blade, I get killed again and again.

There are two ways to duplicate items:

1. There's a device in the Catwalk Caverns (near the end of the game) that let's you duplicate one item. In order to activate it, you have to push three Necrosaps (those flying sparks) between the shocking things (you'll recognise them when you see them).

2. There's another way to duplicate items, but it works by (ab)using a glitch. I'm quoting myself from http://www.ethereallore.com/1cheats.html.

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Cheat! I've found quite an interesting bug - it lets your might and protection grow to infinite!
Note: I have CD version 1.02. I think this worked on and older floppy versions as well.
Here's the trick:

1. Go to White Tower Lv.3 (or Castle Cimmeria Lv.1 but that is too far away and too late in the game to really make use of this cheat) and go to the only pit in the level (the pit which drops you off at the minotaur on Level 2). Save your game.
2. Make sure the pit is open. Wait for a ghost to appear over the pit.
3. Now, place a weapon or armor (preferably Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield) on the pit, so that the weapon or armor falls through. The ghost will have disappeared.
4. Click on the pit and you'll get your weapon/armor back (keep trying, it might be hard to find the right spot). Place it into your inventory. Keep clicking on the pit and you will get more copies! Get a number of five of the same weapon, or four of the same armor.
5. Go to Victor's Arms or the weapon seller in the swamp.
6. Equip your party with all copies and sell the remaining one.
7. Go outside and check your characters. Where the equipment was are now items named 'illegal item'. Take them all off and place them in your inventory (NEVER place two or more copied items or illegal items on the floor--the game will crash). While doing this, your might/protection will not decrease and will remain the same as when you were equipped.
8. Get back in the shop and re-buy the same weapon/armor. Your 'illegal items' will re-change to the copied equipment.
9. Repeat steps #5-#7 for infinite might/protection.

Notes about the steps above:

-I decided to actually check what I mailed you earlier and to my shock I discovered that an important piece of the infinite might/protection trick did not work; when you re-buy a copied item, the "illegal items" do not change back to the copied item. I guess that part only worked on older floppy versions.
-You can still get the trick going in the CD version; equip yourself with all copied items and sell the remaining one as usual. Buy the equipment back (or choose another item to copy). Now, go back to copy your equipment and repeat. To get rid of "illegal items," donate them to the "Stone Idol: Ra’ToI the Fortunate" in the swamps (refer to the map). It just costs a lot more time, but you also get infinite money this way.
- Watch out for enemies that grab your weapons and drop them on the floor--remember, if two or more copied items or illegal items are on the floor, the game crashes.
- This trick is best done with Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield, because you can re-buy them in the shops.
- If a character now wears no weapons or shields, it can damage enemies with his bare hands!
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As for the Emerald Blade, I don't know which one you've missed, but there's one in a treasure chest in Upper Opinwood and the other one is in the Urbish Mines level 1 (part 2), somewhere on the floor. Good luck!

tanks :)

I'll try this :)

I have made the mistake of going into Scotia's Room before having the whole truth available, and now I can't get out of that little area, is there something that I can do to get out of there

Yes. Load the previously saved game.

I'm in the room and I have saved it, and that is why I can't get out...

Well, then the only way is to start a new game, and be more careful in future to save more than one game.

I've heard it's possible to push Scotia through a wall with the Dark Gauntlet and get out yourself too. I haven't tried this yet, but it's described in one of the earlier pages, I believe.

I'll mind doing that if I played it again.

But i need to get the manual (the french version) I left at my parents's home. stupid isn't it ?? But this is so like me ! Anyway, I'll go back there this week end (hollydays at last :)) , plus I have no time to play (should be learnig this dammed formulas !)

I have some old savegames. Maybe I could send you one, if you tell me which character you're using and if you're playing the disk (most probably) or the Cd version. Then you won't have to start over again. :ok:

I'm currently in the progress of playing through the game (disk version) with Kieran and making savegames at certain points. These savegames are made for people like you who'd like to start over at a certain point. With Kieran, I'm now at the point of having to chose to fight the Knowles or the Xeobs.

I intend to do this for all characters, but it will take a while before I have them complete, of course! :ok:

I beat this game so many times back in middle school. But you know what, the feline character is actually the best in the end-game. He really sucks until then though, but later he dodges everything. Also the dragon guy is good. But you know what I like about this game, I really like the graphics. Seriously, back then the graphics were so fantastic.

sure, this game was linear and the gameplay wasn't as in-depth as eye of the beholder, but this game had such an amazing presentation. the voice-acting, cinematics, graphics, whoo boy this was one sexy game.

I guess that's why in Lands of Lore 2 - Guardians of Destiny only he is portraited as the one who killed Scotia :D

Actually, my favorite character is Michael, for his fighting capabilities, but also for his overpowered magic damage. Conrad is nearly the same; just less damage (physical and magical), but with more protection.

Sure, Kieran can dodge, but he inflicts so little damage that Baccata ends up killing all the monsters. Furthermore, his magic is the worst of any character in the game. It's not that he's bad, but just not as good as Conrad and Michael.

Nostalgy wise, Ak'shel is my favorite character. While overall he's not as good as the other champions (at least in my opinion), he's the best character for 'chokepoint' area's, such as the third White Tower level. This is because his magic capacity makes him an excellent healer.

Thanks Undertaker for the offer but I already had started over. And as for the graphics of the game if I remember hearing correctly they were hand drawn, but still you're right for a 80386 Machine, graphics like that were pretty incredible.

Another note, I think on the game box or something there is a spell that is shown that to my knowledge isn't in the game, and I think it's called Vortex, anyone know what the deal with that is.

You should read through the previous pages of this thread, there you'll find something about this spell ;)

Hey,

Why cant I download Lands of Lore? I thought you could download all the games on this site but it says it is protected.... :ranting: :Titan: I remember playing this game 10 years ago... Actually i remember it consuming my life and I would like to let it do that again... Please help me out

Daniel

You have been informed incorrectly :bleh:
Some games are not available for download, due to copyrights etcetera.
I know, it can be annoying, but it makes sense when you think about it.
Tough luck!

Get the game at http://IAMSOSTUPID.COM/LOOKHOWSTUPID...INGTOWAREZ.php

I'm glad so many of you are enjoying the Lands as much as I did creating them. It is hard to believe people are still defending Gladstone.

Thank you for all your kind words. You made my day.

Huzzah!

Are you by chance Rick "Coco" Gush?

Or maybe one of those? http://www.petroglyphgames.com/about...gcompphoto.jpg

It's even harder to believe that some of the games' creators find this place. But hey, it happens. Good games - like good people - never truly die.

I've posted this at http://37852.rapidforum.com and wanted to share this on this forum as well:

"I was fooling around in Draracle's Caves lv. 2 to get level ups and I noticed the amount of Cave dwellers in the west part of the level (near reference 6 on http://ethereallore.com/1map.html ) was extraordinary. It just didn't make sense to me; no matter how fast I killed them, they just kept on coming. But when I was on the other side of the level, they ceased to appear so quickly.

I researched it some more and then I found out that stepping on the spinner (reference 6) creates two Cave dwellers in the room west of the spinner (the same thing happens in Castle Cimmeria lv. 1, when you try to open the jammed door, which spawns two Ethereal warriors). So my hit & run tactics were actually the cause of the spawning of about fifteen cavedwellers every minute! :evil:

So here's a little advise to everyone that doesn't want to get beaten up by those stinking cavemen: stay away from that spinner as much as you can! :max:

The same goes for the spinner at reference 12; this one makes two Ratmans a little to the east."

Because of this, you can do some major levelling here, especially because you can have the Jewelled Dagger in your possession at this point.

Dunno, the original Lands of Lore left a much bigger impression on me than the sequels. Which reminds me, how many sequels are there? 2 or 3?

There are two sequels. There was a third sequel in progress, until EA took over Westwood. I really hate EA for killing off Lands of Lore! :angry:

Yeah well I really hate EA for a number of other reasons, but that's for a different topic. So anyway, i played one sequel, it came on 4 CD's and your main character was able to transform into a lizard and a big monster thingy. Was that Lands 2 then?

Yes, that's Lands of Lore 2. Though I didn't like it as much as the first part, it's still a great game, in my opinion.

I played this much back in the innocent 90ties.... then i played it again after i found it again.... but their is something i remember from back then.
I am almost certain of this: i really that when i first went to the wyvel-forest... there where the white tower is... i did not amediatly go for the city or tower on the left... i went right... and went for the bridge over the casem.. but i am certain of what i had seen. there were alot of great orcs (bigger than the small ones, gray and a big axe) but when i was there i shure i had seen a black great orc, in gold armor and a golden axe... much more frightening........ does anyone else have seen this sight before, or is it my imagination????
:help:

?sop, you are right, i remember the same thing,
Then i tried to look on the web.
And did you know what i fouind. Yes that is right, a picture of him :w00t: :bye: :cheers:

http://www.quandaryland.com/1995/pix1995/lol.jpg
It is kinda small, but none the less, it brings back memories.
I think the black great orc (AKA the badest Orc in the lands) dropped some cool axe, when he was slain...... but i cant remember. you have made me wanna play this game again... thanks :Titan:

Yes, I have seen that Orc as well, but I don't think it drops anything, or perhaps the Vaelan's Cube. It's a cool Orc, nonetheless! :max:

I found a german fansite to this game when i searched for this game on wikipedia:
http://www.landsoflore.de/

But on the site i found some weird pictures, that i cant understand why they are there.
Why they lke they apear.
The only explanation i can com to is that it is from the Beta-version or something:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/BIGKING.gif

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/SHATTER.gif
What does two of the heros , you can chose do on this picture?
Where is bacata.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/SWARM.GIF

If you understand a little german, you can also find patches, trailers and musik.

Plus some art work from the, by EA, cancelled Lands of Lore 4.
/Lands-of-Lore4

and a few artwork from there:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLFort01.jpg
and:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLThg01.jpg


http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLSwamp01.jpg


Man i hate EA, they are destroyers of art :sniper: ............. EA

I found the manual pdf form...... in french.
Anyway the pictures are nice in it:
French PDF manual
still searching for a pdf version in english
http://www.kuli-heidenau.de/Joerg/Lands%20of%20Lore.jpg
In the manual there is pictures of monsters that i do not remember from the game = weird. So was in the finale, when scotia was killed, a parade of monsters was in the credits, some of who i dont remember either.

And i found some patches..... on a russian site.
To the floppy version (in us uk and german version)
plus the cd version:

Patches for the game - russian stile


PS: does anyone know why you can have a spare valians cube at the end of the game?? can it be used for something good??

*SPOILERS*

I'm stuck right now in the Level 3 of the castle and the game seems to be broken. When I finish the sum puzzle I go to the room with the humanoid figurine and Dawn's key. Because I gave it to Scotia previously I need it now but for some reason I can't pick it up. Is this a common bug and is there a fix to it? A cheat code to add the item to my inventory would be nice as well.

@Almec-Joe: there's even more screenshots at http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lands-of...chaos/cover-art . Like you said, the only explanation is that it's from the beta version.

@Guest_peter: I think you've made a mistake; I can't find any monsters in the manual that I don't know of.
You can have another Vaelan's Cube when you've received the reward from either the leader of the Knowles or the Xeobs. It's on the floor in the room where you meet with the leader. If you've attacked the leader, the Cube will still be there. You can use the cube to destroy the ghosts in Castle Cimmeria (or in the White Tower, if you, for some reason, want to go back to that place).

@HamburgerBoyt: I've heard about that bug. I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, but I might have a savegame as a replacement for you.

Could you upload it some place? :)

Undertaker: You seem to be my mentor about this game: it is good to know that someone knows this exscelent game better than i.

Tell me, what can you do with the green pearl that you have even in Scotia´s tower:
i looked at en.wikipedia.org, and found this picture:

http://upload.wikipedia.org/wikipedi...ds_of_Lore.gif
Can you see that green pearl??, what can it be used for??, where should it have been used for..... if you remember.



PS: wikipedia dosent have a good enough entry on Lands of Lore 1, 2 and 3.
It should get better, anyone who has the time, should make it better, i know i will, when i get the time:
lands of lore on wikipedia

here is the image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ds_of_Lore.gif

@Olmec-Joe: do you remember that you found a blue version (the Sapphire Eye) of the green pearl in the Draracle's Caves? You opened up wall with it by placing it in a dragon's eye socket. The green one (the Emerald Eye) could have been used to open another path. This leads to another part of the Caves, so that you find another offering for the Draracle. Don't worry, you haven't missed anything; if you take the Emerald Eye path, the secret wall in the Sapphire Eye path will close, and if you take the Sapphire path, the secret wall will close after you've stepped through it. This way you can take only one path.

It's always a pleasure to help fellow Lands of Lore fans! :ok:

@Hamburgerboyt: just tell me your main character and your e-mail adress and I'll send it to you (it's only a couple of kb's big).

Hey undertaker, I searched wikipedia, under westwood and found their FTP, which still are active. Lot of stuff there, plus one thing that intrigued me. Lands of Lore 1 demo. Maybe i can get a new take on the game trough the demo, beacuse those tend to be different:
ftp://ftp.westwood.com/
Quite cool actually, with pictures, trailers, patches and much more.
check it out :ok:

Yes, I know that one ;D ! But I didn't get the demo running. :cry:

There are some nice midi's, including some that didn't make it into the final release as well. It's a really great link that everyone should check out! :ok:

PS. Did you know about the 'empty treasurechest' secret in White Tower lv. 1? The empty chest in this area actually has stuff in it, but only if you pick the lock succesfully on the first attempt. :sneaky:

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Michael

Thanks!

HamburgerBoyt: you can also find savegames at that german site, which has been linked to above.
A very good thing to do in these old and ingenious games are to save a lot.

You can actually get the manual in PDF at replacementdocs.com, actually quite nice, mesa thinks.

This whole savegame thing was done by me and Seneti, another member of a German forum. I've done Kieran and Conrad, Seneti has done Ak'shel and Michael. So just go ahead and do like Kartanka said. :ok:

But why has HamburgerBoyt's e-mail adress been removed? :blink:

One of the best games I've ever played.

Going to avatar...

Undertaker: the admins removes email-adresses, because they want to protect them. If you write them here, then idiots from the internet can take them, and send to people that will overspam that email, or something...... or atleast that was what i was told.

Either way, if you are both registered members, then you can exchange email-adresses by privat message on this site, or something, plainly i dont know anything about it.


secondly, i dont know this story to the fullest, but shoulden Lands of Lore not at first have been Eye Of the Beholder 3??? because westwoo did make Eye Of the Beholder 2, and was about to make the third one, when the people that had the rights backed out, and made someone else make the third one?? Maybe that is why there is elves and traises of dwarves (dwarven boots, etc) in the lands. But all in all it was a gain for us that westwood lost the rigts... if this story is true!! Is it??

I thought that Westwood had their own plans and ditched EofB3, but I'm not sure. Either way, like you said, it was a gain for us! :max:

Yep, if you want to exchange private/sensitive information, then keep it to PM.

Hello there,

Hope someone can help me solve this one.
I'm unable to enter the pod room in the Draracle caves, it seem to te blocked.
There should be a hidden switch on the north wall but it ain't there.

Found something on the net about a bug if you encountered Draracle before entering the pod room this room is blocked bij a wall. Hope if someone knows a workaround.

Thanks already.

Yes, I know. It's not a bug, though. You can only enter that room before you see the Draracle. This is because you'll find another team member in that room, that will leave you when you reach the Draracle. If that party member would be still with you when you make progress in the game, the game will crash when another party member will join you (because you cannot have four party members) and therefore, you cannot finish the game.

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Hello Guys
i m stucked in the urbish mines.
i walked around much but i cant get into the 2nd level exept the small part with the pit in it.
i ve read the walkthrough, but it says sth of a teleporter on level 1, but their is none so.... :sos:

Remember the pit in the first level? There are two wheels and a button nearby. You need to turn one of the wheels (don't remember which one) and then press the button. A teleporter will appear. You'll know wheather you've turned the right wheel if you start spinning like mad before being teleported.

Good luck! :max:

Can't get pass the guard in the beginning, anyone have the words?