Forums - The Force Awakens SUXXOR

- you try to say "In SW 4 there was only a handful of remembered characters" when i say SW 7's characters were sketchy, had no character, or hold any ineterest for the viewer. You simply don't touch the topic.
But the point you actually address I give you MORE characters I DO remember form SW 4:
- Owen
- Beru
- the Blond Rebel
- bug-eyed droid
- many aliens from the bar (wolfman, hammerhead-shark alien, Mr. Satan, oboe music band, child-size-alien-squeeking-for-drink)
- bartender
- "These aren't the droid's we're looking for" stormtrooper
- boink-stormtrooper
- "Must have been droids" stromtrooper
- Porkins
- Wedge Antilles
- "This space-station is invulnerable" general
- General Tarkin
- afraid-of-Chewbacca's-roar-empire-dorid
- red R2 with malfinctioning motivator
- "have you seen the wacchamacalling" stormtroopers at Obi Wan disabling the attractor-field
So ye, I rmemeber A TON of characters.

The problem with SW 7 I don't care even for the main characters. They are flat, boring - you forget them when you leave the room.

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For Ren I expect him to be THREATENING. I don't really care why he turned into the Dark Side. Ye, it can be the basic for a spinoff, but has nothing to do with SW 7. I even like the choice of actor. I totally LUB his tantrums (and the two stormtroopers are excellent turning back). But he's simply not menacing.
You want the guy to be a Big Bad? I can even give you some tips:
- leave the mask on until Han
- make the scene with Han less predictable (I have some pretty good ideas if you're interested)
- don't make him cry
- better use of camera-angles
- more black/white contrast on him. Never let his face shine in light - add matte white makeup
- don't let his ass kicked by some amateur after showing him stopping a laser-beam!
- don't let him act as a simple pawn to some hologram. Give him authority, and make his doubts as SLIPS, not as doubts. Addin the Vader-helmet scene to the Snoke-scene without interruption would help a lot.
Also, do not allow Hux to the holo-sith. That takes away prettymuch all authority from all the First Order Elite.

You know Ren is NOT a teenager. He's a 20s. 20 to 25. He's a full-pledged sith with years of training behind him, leader of the First Order, who stops laserbeams (please, don't let the Force act w/o attention! Yoda, with 800 years of training had to concentrate on lifting the X-win, ok?).

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Neither of the two trilogy is "about personal business". They are all about "we fight the evil guys" on the level of the Galaxy on the grand scale. They are "one man CAN change the flow of history".

But on the other hand my disappointment comes not knowing ANYTHING of the characters, wether good or bad.

Third: The New Republic didn't have to be strong. The Rebels were about leadership, not local production. They change who you pay your taxed, and some laws (like no shooting people just to rise fear), but otherwise there's no problem.
On the other hand the Republic went to "restore peace and justice TO THE GALAXY". Not "part" of the Galaxy", but THE Galaxy.
Third: the giga-deathstar just from the side of economy rises soooo many questions. It is too big. It destroys not just planets but suns in other solarsystems as collateral damage. And from non-economicalview it is too sudden and simple, and iteration. I could accept a smaller third DS, but such a hugh-one? Unnoticed? And so easily destroyed? It just doesn't add up.

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The "Hux motivational speech" is the only thing which is an attempt to give character the the FO. But it is again like looking in a sketchbook. Aside that it sounds ww2 nazi, looks ww2 nazi, even the Sieg Heil effect is taken from an actual ww2 AH-speech.

In SW 3-6 we saw what the Empire is: military dictatorship based on burocracy and technocracy. That's its character.
FO shows no character aside Hux's speech.

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Solo went with Rey, because Solo had connection with the Rebels, and saw they need a ride.
BUT why did Solo leave Leia and the Rebels/Republic? He really just let the Falcon stay stolen? How is he still alive after breathing cyanide? Why he's traffiking Extremly Dangerous Biological Weapons to some evil guy?

Rey... Rey is pretty much a decent character on the field of motivation, but:
- how does she stay alive on 1/4 rations when a person needs 3 ration a day?
- how can she speak robot, what is entirely impossible?
- how can she beat a full-pledged sith without any training?
- how does she use The Voice from Dune? Aren't we in a different franchise?
- how does she know the Falcon better then Han, who built it himself?
I could go with her being top-engineer, even a lucky pilot, topping with resisting Ren's attempt of telepathy, but stretching my suspension of disbelief has a limit.

Ren seems evident, but why he's a crybaby? Where's his loyality? His family? Vader? The First Order? Snoke? What is his motivation? Why did he save Luke being killed? Why is he after Luke now?

Finn ("the black guy") DID NOT FALL IN LOVE WITH ANYONE. Where did you get this nonsense?
Also, answer me how he becomes a Fighting Force when he gets shock at the first glimpse of death (of his own comrade)?
Why does he come back after finally leaving? He has no connection to any other character, nor to the story. His only motivation is to get the fok from the FO because he ... has phobia from blood? Disagrees with the FO's goals? And how is he able to get away with the Fo-conditioning? How does a person who is practically a pacifist gets to crushing a former-close-associate in a trash-compactor laughing?
Just doesn't make sense.

Now talk about Hux. Why is he there? Why he has contact with holo-sith? He does nothing, he's not part of the story in any sense aside "empire general - tick" on some list.

Phasma? It's a male, a female or an it? Human or alien? What's the role of the character? Why - despite the FO-conditioning and the special armor marking Plasma as Big Evil - surrenders for the first word? And as we know Fazma is in the next movie how did chrome-trooper escape from being crushed in a trash-compactor on a blowing up star-planet-spacestation-thing with no ship leaving?
The character is not even special is we assume it is a she, because there's another female-voiced stormtrooper when the Empire leaves the pub.

Snoke? What's that doing in this film? What is it? A sith? Why is it a hologram? (being a hologram makes it a cheap rip-off of the Emperor. Would work a thousand time better if it'd been that giant) How and what power it has on the FO? Whatit wants? What's its role?

The Rebel Pilot: why does it not escape while can? Why not try to get back his all-important robot? What's the reason him being in the movie at all, especially after Finn escaped? Heck, what's the role of Finn on the grand scale?
He's an unrecognisable face anyway.

The Republic: why not fighting the FO? Why no interest in the 3rdDS?

The FO: What do they want? How big they are? What's their long-term plan? Where did they get the money and technology for the thingy? What is their structure? Hux and Ren are at what level of their ranks? How are they related to holo-Voldemort?

Luke: why is he important at all?

Luke's trained jedis: where are they?

other jedis, siths, the order of the inquisitors, the order of ren: where are they? What happened to them? Did the order of inquisitors all committed suicide after all known jedis went extinct?

The Rebels: why do they send Rey to Luke? Why they send Luke the Blue Lightsaber?

Leia: why she murns with Rey and not with Chewie?

Max von Sido: why noone told him this is not Dune? He's definitely not "an old friend". Could we re-capture his scenes with Lando?

orange yoda from Sin City: she's definitely not "an old friend". Why leaves the artifact so open? Why runs a pub? Who is she and what she doing in this film?

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You say "the movie is an episode of a war". What war? What episode?
Not against The First Order, because it got destroyed in this movie. And while Sw 1-6 were ALL "one episode of a war", each in itself was a standalone movie too. Except SW 2. Ye, SW 2 was very bad.

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SW 4 had ONE Deus Ex Machina, and that was part of the story (The Force WAS stronger than "your technological monstrosity").

SW 7 on the other hand had like a LOT, and none supported by the story:
#1 Luke is gone without explanation,so we don't have like a jedi-army.
#2 The First Order appears out of nowhere. No idea why The New Republic allowed this.
#3 despite searching the pendrive with flamethrowers no harm done.
#4 Scavanger-girl does not sell the robot
#5 Scavanger-girl helps the robot
#6 the Falcon is there!
#7 Rey is a pilot!
#8 Han accidentally stumbles into theFalcon!
#9 Han's associates accidentally stumbles into Han!
#10 Han and Chewie can breath cyanide!
#11 Otygh don't eat Finn like did with everyone else!
#12 we had the plan for the 3rd DS the entire time!
#13 3rd DS has the EXACT same vulnerability as the previous (previous two) DS!
#14 we spot the weak point in the plans in 2 seconds!
#15 eight X-wing is enough to fight an entire planet of army!
#16 there's Rey!
#17 there's Phasma, and does what we ask without any hesitation!
#18 earthquake!
#19 Rebel Pilot was NOT in the tie-fighter!
#20 we had the lightsabre the entire time!
#21 Finn comes back instead of leaving!
#22 R2D2 comes alive at the critical moment
#23 Rey knows The Force better then a trained sith
etc.

This is so much Deus Ex Machina any writer would laugh their ass off. This is total garbage.

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As acting, and especially Finn:
The guy basically did one thing: was afraid. He was afraid even when he"d to be thirsty. That scene is just pathetic.
He already panics unnecessarily at the beginning (not the "oh, my comrade is dead "shot), so it is very noticeable.

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again: where did you get Finn is in love with Rey, wether mutual or not? Nothing says he is. Not the text, the subtext or the acting. You can't just put a side not "oh, by the way, these characters who never showed any affiliation to each other are totally in love". That's not how even literature works.

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The Death Star (again) is an over-the-top-priced mage-project. That's why the Empire built ONE, and not a million.
This DS was 10 times bigger then the previous versions, and made for a ~country much smaller. So that means it had that more soldiers on it, from a much less population. It was so hugh and expensive, and Wunderwaffe it had to store like 90% of the FO's army. And when it blows up we see who leaves the explosion: 3 X-fighter and the Falcon. That's it. No FO-ship. everyone there got dead, and there's no more soldiers as substitute. FO is destroyed by that one explosion.