X-Com - Terror from the Deep
 

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

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As a game it is less good than UFO 1, but i imagine that the makers of this game read a lot of Lovecraft books :) I remember UFO 2 having too many references to the cthulhu myth. As also, if i remember correctly, another games that are inspired are alone in the dark and Shadow of the comet ( by the way is this game anywere? i never played it :( )

I prefer the first X-COM. It just looks, feels and plays better. That is not to say that X-COM2 is bad, it's just too samey. I remember reading a review somewhere where they said X-COM2 should of been an expansion pack, not a sequal. That pretty much sums it up. :wink:

I think Home of the Underdogs have Shadow of the Comet. Do a search on google for 'em. :wink:

TFTD is ok IMO, but Xcom 1 is cooler.

is there a patch for ufo2 for windows (i have xp) because the game runs ... well i dont know how to say it ... choppy, it just doesnt run smoothly, it feels like i have small LAG-s (if you play over the net then you know what i mean)

To the Mars God,

If the game is choppy than either download the Window version of X-Com2 or run the dos version under a program called Dosbox

yours sincerely,

The X-Com fanatic/worshipper

I got XP too
 

Unforunatly I cant even start the game i get the following message:
...INSATLL.EXE cannot run Attempt to acces invalid adress.

Anyone knows what that means?

Yeah baby
 

XCOM rocks, I am the commander.

Re: I got XP too
 

I have the same problem.

Run it in zip file.

that worked on my computer.

Re: I got XP too
 

As good as the original
 

I found this sequel as good as X-Com 1. I would even say that it's a *little* better ... Sure that it's just under water and there not as much battle on the ground, but the advantages (more crafts, weapons, technologies, and graphics a little better) surpasse the disadvantages IMHO. I've finished the two games !

It's my best DOS game of all time with X-Com 1, King's Quest 6, Space Quest 5, Goal, Little Big Adventure(!), Privateer(!), and Lands of Lore(!). The last one is ssooo good !!! But warning ... it's too addictive ! ;)

Hmm...I kinda feel the opposite....Ufo 1 graphics seem kinda better to me *shrug*
Maybe I just like the models more...

I agree. The geoscape in TfTD is just plain ugly, and the rest is the same from what I saw. They could have definitely done a better job, but its still fun to play :)

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i actully found that the game wasnt very fun to play, the boat missions where you had to do 5 maps on one encounter got relly tedious. also i dunno if its been fixed but i seem to recall when it first came out you would only get the wepons and equipment of the final level.

i only relly finished it to see the end, as opposed to ufo which i play to have fun

Re: As good as the original
 

:?: weapons are more or less the same then in UFO only differently designed and named. as well as crafts and aliens. X-com does have beter graphics (larger figures and combat field), but it really lacks the surface combats. why? who knows. i mean what difference would it make to throw in a couple of surface combat areas?

my first contact with these games series was X-com - a long time ago. and to tell you the truth when i then saw UFO i wasn't impressed with it's graphics so much. but like i said i first played xcom and then ufo. i like the terror site in UFO a lot more though.

I liked XCOM1, and I'd love to play XCOM2 (I actually bought it recently) but can't get it to run on Windows 2000 and it runs much too slowly on DOSBox. I've built a Windows 98 machine that it should run on, I'm just too lazy to set it up :P.

Yeah i know the feeling

I have actually played and completed both X-Coms, and I have to say that the sequel is actually inferior. The only good thing about TftD is that the alien fuel source is no longer as scarce. In the original X-Com, elerium was a rare commodity as UFO engines usually get blown whenever you shoot them down. In order to ensure a decent stock of elerium, I had to allow the UFOs to land in order to capture them intact. In TftD, the fuel source zrrbite is plentiful as the UFO engines do not disintegrate so easily.

Aside from that TftD is just a revamped X-Com but with a higher difficulty level and a slightly different tech tree. The terror missions are way too tedious and you certainly get frustrated and/or bored after having to do a door-to-door search to find the last alien for the umpteenth time.

The sequel isn't a game for first timers. Play the original first, and give this a try only if you happen to want more action.

i defenetly agree with what bontakun said, TFTD wasnt half as good as the original.

Btw lasdlt i can play UFO enemy unkown just fine in win2k

There is some land missions. I remember that terror missions on the surface of water were aimed at cruise boats, and you had to fight that 2 map mission on the deck and inside the ship. I also remember hitting terror missions on harbors.

But then, it was hardly interesting if half of your guys were equiped with water weapons... <_<

I would like to know where can i download x-com2?

thanks.

If you mean Terror From the Deep, then we have it on the site.

newb alert. Hey I love this site, just discovered it yesterday and I've been playing UFO ever since. I downloaded TFTD but I was wondering if there is a trick to get sound to work. When I installed it (everything seemed to go okay) it asked me a bunch of stuff about my soundcard like IRQ, etc. I have no clue what these should be or even if setting it to SB16/Awe32 will work for my Live! card.

Anyone have a tip for me?

Run the game in DOSBox.
Choose Soundblaster.
Set the IRQ to 5.
Enjoy.

awesome! thanks man!

Works horribly in windows. Choppy sound, nearly impossible scrolling, even at slowest speeds, and randomly closes in terror missions.

One question though, for those who actually had the patience to beat the game. Is it just me, or is it impossible to research allien alloys? I cant get armor for my troops, and without it, I can't get better ships (can I?) so is this game just like xcom 1, only harder because of these, or what?

The game is not meant to be played in Windows. Use DOSBox.

To research the alien alloys you must have a live Night One available in research. If I remember well you don't have to research it, just have it available in your research tree. This will open up the alien alloys.

Well, DOSBox really helps with the battles, so thank you. But it goes too slowly in the world map, so I had to (by which I mean I chose to) save it and restart in windows.
Also, which race from X-Com 1 are the Night ones equivalent of?
Please not ethereals please not ethereals please not ethereals please not etherals.....

There is a key in DOSBox to get the game go faster or slower, I think it's CTRL-F11 or CTRL-F10. You should look in the helpfiles, it's all there. I usually use 10000 cycles, but I think it's computer dependant. If you get it too high for your computer it will start to run slower back.

The alien I am talking about is the melee alien, the one who "spits" acid at his victims.

I myself never had a problem with Ethereals in UFO, and I really wonder what's the deal about it.

when i bought ufo i got it in a colectors edition it waz ufo1 and ufo2 + the compleat strategy books for both games maps and all and i still got the books to bad i cant send them to you

I played X-com Apocalypse first and am now playing Ufo, i have to say i like the Apocalypse better, but that's probably just because i played it first. Btw, is X-com Apocalypse abandonware yet? If it is i'd happily upload it..

I absolutely love this game and ufo defence. :ok:
UFO defence has better graphics but I think that tftd has the same feeling to the game as ufo defence.

I'm having a bit of a problem though. It seems my scientists absolutely refuse to research Aqua Plastics! :crazy: So I can't get any armor which is sort of a drawback and makes things abit complicated. :wall:
Anyone know how to fix this? It happens in every game. :cry:

Think they're called dark ones ... :whistle:

Anyway, thanks a lot! :-)

I've found a site which can be really usefull for anyone playing TFTD. It seems that the research tree is meant to be researched in the right order or you might not be able to research some important aspects of the game and not even be able to finish the game whatsoever.

This site will help you win the game if you encouter this bug. Be warned tough that using this site to get access to all technology is considered cheating.

A great game. I prefer UFO slightly because of the terrain which is more varied.

I don't like TFTD as much as UFO because the aliens in TFTD seem to be hugely more powerful, they can shoot you from the other side of the map when you can't even see 10 feet in front of you.

We did not been playing the same game R Havell... Really not... :huh:

I love this game. I prefer it to the original by quite a lot, even though it has seemingly random difficulty. In one game, I barely defended the area around Japan (where I always put my base) and I got up to September (1st year). On the other, I blew up/killed/captured every...single.... alien and their UFOs. But no, that wasn't good enough for you, was it, YOU STUPID FUNDERS. Anyways, here's a tip - load yourself up on scientists and research that magnetism thingy so that you can tell who is in the ship. Saved me may a time from the goddamned lobster-man.

They are seemingly incapable of dying easily, too, which is annoying. But oh well.

Well, you should build your first base around USA since they are the major funder. If you neglige them you will find that you lack funds quite fast, since they start financing you with 800,000$ on the first month..!

Added the manual in .pdf format :D

Great games Ufo and Tftd :pimp:

BUT... on the last mission of Tftd... the game crashes :karate:

Anyone knows a fix for that? I am running on crappy win xp pro sp2...

I never actually finished TFTD myself. :tomato:

I know of a rumor which said that the comercial release of TFTD was infected by a virus known to format the HD of the player when they reached the last mission.

I am not sure if that rumor is true (or was true), but if you can't play the last mission try to find a patch for TFTD. This is likely to be enough to let you end the game. :)

er... and where can i find this "good" patch?

I have tryed about 3 patches :whip:
A virus? Well i guess norton will kill it before it try's something

I had a Hd crash last week so not much to lose anyway :whistle:

First of all, do you use DOSBox?

The what? Can you eat that? :blink:


Thats a no :ph34r:


Edit: I have downloaded it, and tryed evry start command in the ufo folder. Al say it can't be run in dos :ranting:

Then you have the Windows version. I would suggest that you find the DOS version and use DOSBox with XP to run it, but then I am really not sure if you could take your savegame to the DOS version... Would beat the purpose.

This game is chalk full of H.P. Lovecraft references. One of the sea creatures is even Cthulhu. :D :ok:

what the hell is that. any way i have(in cd form) all X-com games and have had them for a while. i like UFO-Enemy Unknown I also Like TFTD And Apocalypse. i think the battles in TfTD are better and the colours of the menues are also better but the geoscape in UFO is better designed. I also think the Shipping routs are a pain in the behind and the way the tech tree is designed is gay eg you cant get the displacer sonic until you get the hammerhead. i agree tho that the lobster men are a pain but all you have to do is use thermal shock bombs, sonic cannons and disrupter pulse launchers :sneaky:. all in all i think both are great games as well as apoc(classic). they are probably the best stratigies ever. much better that C&C.

ps. my friend finnished it(commercial version) and it didn't format his HD. its a myth.

that is an author of some real good horror books. Try shadow of the comet to play a game based on his books.

TFTD was the one i played first cos the floppy version of ufo didn't load on properly and i still feel that tftd is that much better than UFO

i ever say that tftd is the best stategy game of ufo and sequels 'cause it have the better grafic and gameplay.
i tried xcom apocalipse thinging was better and i considered its grafic very ugly, and the game play very complex...
not else :D

UFO was far better that TFTD. Those cruise terror missions.... :not_ok:

X-COM Apocalypse was ok, but it lacked that ufo atmosphere, and organic-based alien tech sucked... :blink:

Why do you think that i think its original.

The 'organic alien tech' idea is good, but the implementation was bad. Remember spitters (dudes with no heads, shooting acid from their necks, :sick: )? The brainsucker thingy was great, on the other hand.
Also the ships looked very bad, those small ones looked like sh*t, literally :D
They missed so many things... imagine what it would be like if you could build sam sites near your base for example (like those pwt cannons from xcom, the base defense). :ranting:
Missions....all you needed to do is line up your soldiers in a firing squad and wait for the aliens to come and then :sniper: :rifle:

Actually, the hover bikes is one essential part of my ship force. They are extremely usefull.

i was talking about alien ships, YOUR ships (my ships) looked great, especially the annihilator. Hoverbikes were cool too

Thats a good idea tho. SAM sites :ok: . yeah well there aliens who knows what crazy stuff they do. but we all know that there taste in design is up there ar*e. :D

Please, this thread is about Xcom 2 not Xcom 3. I replyed to it earlier because I actually tought it was the Apocalypse thread, how about going back to topic?

Roger that :ok:. Sorry champ.

any way to slow the game down? it runs on xp but the clock goes well fast, and on the missions every time i move the mouse i end up at the edge of the map!

Use DOSBox. If it's a Windows version I don't think you would have that problem.

For the edge scrolling and squaddies walking, there is speed options in the ? button to the lower right of the screen.

it was the version that i downloaded from here.
yeah i changed scroll settings down to 1, but its still quite hard to play

Look for a program called 'turbo' i have it but dont know if i can give it to you what it does is you type in say 50 and it will slow your computer down to 50% i got it off a friend ages ago. :ok:

Excellent game, but rushed out the door with most of the code reused from the original. From a tactical standpoint its far ahead of X-com, play this one on beginner after beating the original on superhuman. :evil:

Strategy Tips:

1. You can actually open doors before you enter a room in this game. Use it to keep from being cut down with reaction fire from all those aliens that stop moving after 10 or so turns.

2. All of the Sonic guns are on relativly equal footing. The cannon rarely gets you more than one shot, whereas the rifle and pistol can give you 2-3 shots on the move.

3. Use those tanks to scout in that wide open ocean terrian.

4. Gas cannons are awesome, anyone who can carry one gets one at least until gauss rifles come around.

5. Explosives do 4x damage to large terror units, and also the weak under armor is used instead of the side that was hit when the damage is decided. (Best use of Gas cannon HE :ok: )

6. Shok bombs knock Lobbies out cold. Fire then nade the body.


P.S. - Be on the look out for the research bugs. Whatever you do, DON'T research a Tasloth Commander, it is not a legal unit and will likely corrupt your save.

As for Turbo: I saw it on one of the X-com fan sites about 6 months ago, not sure if it is still around on the web.

I got a problem. When my curser even touches the edge of the screen in battle mode, instead of slowly scrolling to a different part of a map, it jets me all the way to the other end faster than my granmother can take down a cheeseburger. I have a similar problem when im trying to look at a different part of the world. I click the rotation butten as quickly as I can and the world spins compleatly around. can anyone help?

Your CPU is to fast for the game, keep in mind it was made for 486's. Get a slowdown utility such as Turbo to get the game playable

Use DOSBox.

Thanks :)
I do have dosbox. I tried to figure it out last night, but I almost pulled my hair out.
Now looking for that turbo thing.

I just figured it out. Heh, so simple. Scroll speed.

I agree in general about the difference between X1 and X2, X1 had more thrill and excitement, while almost everything is the same on X2. However, it's the twists in the research tree that make X2 so interesting, as well as the use of Hand to Hand weapons (Which cleave through the lobsters like butter btw) For those who don't know it, calcinites are the key to H2H weapons, a corpse will be enough for the Vibro Blade, but a live one is needed for the others. The problem is that they don't always appear in the game

I remember the intro video was actually animated when I first played x-com 2 many years again. I the game I downloaded here has the intro as a slide show. Is that just the way it is now?

That version of the game is about 30mb I believe. Would take up a lot of extra bandwidth just to get the video.

xcom 1 is a litle better than xcom 2 but the best for me is xcom-apocalypse (xcom 3) you can do a lot of things you've never imagine. I recomend it for you all

Some people told me TFtD was too hard for them to complete - I never tried, as it looked way too much like UFO...
But a sort of cheat I've never run across on the internet so far, is to alter your soldiers:
use a hexeditor to open the "soldiers.dat" file; you'll see their names followed by a series of figures. Change any of those values that aren't 00 to CC (for an early saving). This will give you more time units, excellent accuracy, etc. Only throwing grenades won't work anymore since every possible place is out of reach. Maybe it's got to do with the throwing accuracy being too high.
Oh, and the reason why I'd limit to CC (theoretically you could go all the way up to FF, which is hexadecimal for 255) is that your soldiers will improve with time. Once they'd get above 255 for any characteristic, you won't be able to use them at all.
As for savings later in the game: the improvements of your soldiers compared to their beginning status, will be listed after their initial values in the file, so there only alter the first half of all values (or change them all to 66 -> together with the improvements that will give you about 200 for each characteristic).
I'm not 100% sure about the order in which the characteristics are listed in the file, I believe it was the same order as in the game when you look at the soldiers' stats, but if you want to be sure you'll have to try for yourselves...

The game isn't THAT hard... O.o

The game is easily twice as hard than the original but that's hardly a problem for me... :blink:

The real problem woudl be that it's also twice as long, so twice as boring...

the game ! X-com Wow awsome ...

the story ! great !

:D

ACK! I'm having a big issue in X-Com 1. :( :( :(

Can anyone help me?

The first time I played, I did terrible, scored negative monthly ratings every time, and eventually lost the USA to the aliens.

Second time around, complete opposite, 1000+ monthly ratings every month, taking down every sighted UFO and/or defeating their forces at land.

April 1999 comes around...suddenly the USA is buzzing with UFOs. I take down 2 larges and various smalls, but allow two very larges to conduct their business in Canada and USA untouched, big mistake. An infiltration mission succeeds and I lose USA. So I reload my save and redo April, this time I take out both battleships as soon as I can (after they land on the USA), and a large abductor as well. Another large ship manages to slip away before I can get it. This is on the 14th. So I fast forward to the end of the month to see what happens, skipping through completed research notifications and spottings of small craft (no terrorism site comes up, though it does if I don't fast forward). At the end of the month...

USA STILL GOES TO THE ALIENS.

What the hell is up? If I play too poorly I lose them? If I play too well I lose them? This wouldn't be such an issue if my base wasn't /IN/ USA.

...what do I do? =(

Asking in the right game thread might be wise...

I don't see a thread for the original X-Com, I figured this game was close enough to make the question appropriate. I also assume many of the players of this game played the original, as well.

If you can point me to the thread for the original game I'd be pleased to post there.

Doh, I found it, nevermind. :bye:

I have to say that whilst this game is good, the original is about twice as good.

I think that the most annoying element was that they changed all of the names of all the useful earth weapons, to be more 'futuristic' and I had to learn everything again!

And Dye grenades still knocked the aliens out!

Another problem was that, like the first game, to start with, you have such a horrible layout for your base that it is nearly impossible to defend and early on in the game it's quite hard to get enough money to build another.

So whilst the game may be championed by some for adding a new place to fight, it is basically a worse version of the original, but also with an annoying research bug.

I'm using dosBOX 0.63. Has been working flawlessly.

The alien name you all refer to is Deep One.

The best weapon against the Lobstermen are "Vibro Blades" and "Thermic Lances"
Why ? Because they require very little time units to be used and can penetrate
their tough exo-skeleton ;-)
Since they require few time units to be effectively used, you can spend more
units walking around.

As far as Apocalipse goes, I'll say that the radical change in the alien life forms
took off good part of my empathy for this game. Come on, can anyone accept
the fact those giant green slugs have any remants of intelligence or the others
can build all that weaponry ? Not to mention the final alien... it's simply pathetic.

But I really like the aerial battle against those ufos over the city

Still cannot set aside any of these games... once in a while I catch myself playing
Enemy Unknown and TFTD :-)

i don't know if it's a version thing, (i got the UK Powerplus version of this game if i remember),

i never had any problem with a research bug, but i did have....

synapse (or whatever) site missions were impossible to complete sometimes, because of a bug that ment the last alien was hidden behind a wall off the map, and even if i destroyed the 'synonim device' (or whatever) the mission didn't end, and if i evacuated after destroying it the game wouldn't recognize that i had completed the mission and it would come up as failed .. all that time wasted... and then facing the over numerous and extremely boring cruise ship missions, etc :cry:

one thing i did think was an improvement, was the layout of the 'ufos', the way they had gantries and stuff to shoot you from above as u entered the alien ships, i thought that was clever design

I wanna ask you sth. the thing is I can't run it with the bootdisk I mean it's givig some soundblaster errors and we are clicking on the terror.com aren't we ?

There is a research bug in TFTD. If you do your research in the wrong order you might not have access to some research in the tree, and some of them are essential.

Here is the fix, but if you use it without the bug then I do consider this a cheat. So should you.

The one I especially hate is when you research a Tasloth Commander (I think they're called that) and it stops you getting the research to the Leviathon, which is necesssary to complete the game.

That is possibly the most annoying thing ever, especially if you only keep one campaign save!

I have finished Ufo few times and I thought I go and play X-COM TFD...And you all are RIGHT it is a lot tougher than UFO but more or less the same :rifle: .I have question:How you actually upgrade your soldiers?I mean all my mens have 8 missions with OK and EXCELLENT rating and the best one has killed more than 15 alien but he is STILL ENSIGN!! :ranting: And other at lowest rank.They have quite good stats thought but it is diference between seaman with good stats and commander with good stats...So how actually does this system work? :blink:

I think you can only have a set number of higher ranked squaddies and this depend of the total amount of squaddies you have. For example I never managed to get the higher ranked soldiers until I dramatically increased the total number of squaddies in one of my games. After I got more squaddies and done a single successful mission then they all got promoted in a flash. Some people who did not even take part in the mission (but were not rookies anymore) even got promoted.

So I'd say that if you'd want those particular soldiers to get higher rank you either have to take the higher ranks out of the game somehow or have more squaddie under them. Once they get a rank they can't get back so I guess it has something to do with a first there first serve basis.

IMHO ranks mean nothing. I never noticed a real difference except for the moral effect when an officer die.

I dont know.I actually always thought that when squadie get higher rank,all his abilities will improve a little? :blink:

Even if this is right, it's nothing which can't be done better with training (read: killing Aliens in missions).

I believe it goes something like 35 troops for a Commander/Captain, 21 per Colonel/Commander, 15 per Captain/Leutenant, 7 per Sargeant/Ensign, and you can have any number of Squaddies/Able Seamen.

Overall or equipped in ship?

I dont like this game. Its not bad, but i still dont like it :not_ok: .
The original X-com( UFO) was better.

I've installed Dosbox and was playing the game fine. Finished a couple of missions, but whenever the first land mission starts, the game will just exit to windows.

Can anyone help me out?

Yeah, the game sometimes does this. Remember to keep any other ships but your landing craft out of the sea/air, or sometimes the game crashes.

Yes it is definetly worse than UFO.But I will beat it anyway becouse I am serious X-COM freak :D .

I think it is overall and in all bases. If you think about it, you're not gonna have 35 Aquanauts in one ship, ever (even a leviathon)

And yes, the original is far better.

I think that what pissed me off the most was that the 'gauss' weapons need clips! How annoying! Stick to the lasers, people!

Another annoying thing is that you can fire hydro-jet cannons etc in a base / in a harbour - But only reaction fire! NOOOOAAAARGGHHH *goes crazy and falls asleep in a pool of my own... crazitude*

It didn't crash when I was in the World map mode. It keeps crashing when the mission has already started, during turn 1 or 2 of the Alien movement. I tried underwater missions as well as land and each time I get to the third mission on the first or second turn for the aliens, it also crashes.

One question:What I need to research to have better aircrafts?I am in month 5, have four bases everything researched what I can but I still have just baracuda and triton...(althought with sonic technology)Did I missed something? :blink:
Or it is research bug?

hi,

I use to play this game on windows 95 when i was a kid, and I felt like playing this
after sometime, but i encountered some problems. I downloaded this game from this site, unziped the file and tried installing, but it doesnt work. I have a winxp, someone plz help me!

To research the new crafts, you generally need to research aqua plastics, Zyrrbite and things, but also usually need some kind of live alien.

But not a Tasloth Commander!

I think that there is a link to a place with the research fix, but there is also a X-Com 2 researches list (very, very handy!) in a .pdf format.

You can get your info there. Also Lizard, congrats on the 100th post! (I was considering a quadruple post to get to 100 but that wud get me kicked out!)

Although I got the 500th UFO post :bleh:

There is no need to install anything, there is an X-Com Terror from (or of, can't remember) the Deep icon (it's an .exe file) which you can run it through. There are two, one of them runs in XP.

Thanks... :max:
Yup,I researched anything,all ufo components,all weapons,all aliens,all CAPTURED TASLOTHS :ranting: :Titan: .
Hmmph-Going to start new game-

Only the tasloth commander breaks the game, you can research all of the rest of them!

:blink:
Dont know.Maybe I just miss some Ufo components? :blink:
However it is much harder when you must shot down Very large ufos just with baracudas but it is playable.But I guess to win the game you will need some Super-Dooper uber aircraft (like Avenger in Ufo) which can reach the final mission

Hi, sorry for being such a newb, but can some help me?

I read the old posts in this forum, and thought that dosbox will be a good choice
to try. I kinda struggled with the commands but managed to install and start TFTD,
but my sounds is extremely slow. The game itself runs fine with the use of ctrl+F12, and the only problem is my sound. I think that it might have to do with the sound configuration when installing but I dunno.

Some one plz help!

Lizard, the craft you speak of is called the Leviathon!

To get it you need to get a live Lobsterman Commander, I think, although if you research a Tasloth commander the research bug makes it impossible to get the research for the Leviathon, and hence the game is unwinnable.

Really, really annoying if you only keep 1 campaign (geoscape) save.

Lobster mans?But they are Evil!!! :ph34r:
I hate them.I hate all aliens that survive two headshots with sonic rifle GRRR...
Btw I must start a new game I guess becouse I HAVE just one geospace save...
Im beginning to doubt if is X-Com Terror from the depth worth it :angry:

I posted a fix for that a week ago. Just go back a page or two and you'll find it.

Yeah. That is one of the reasons I never completed TfTD. Some others were - Aquanauts can't swim upwards - how hard could it be?
The technologies have really sucky names
It's really, really hard
the aliens for the most part were awful
Under the sea is bad enough, but door-to-door searches on the ships?

No! ARRGH! :wall:

Plus, your soldiers didn't go :rifle: it was more like

'Hello I am aqaunaut number 2 :whistle: You may shoot me now if you like, or you could wait until I can't even see you :whistle: '

Yup.I am sick of it.And I dont want to play it once more.I guess I return back to Ufo:Aftermath.Still beating on hard :whistle:

LOL good move, mate!

If you don't want mediocrity don't play TfTD or indeed Apocalype (although I'm probably gonna get lynched for that)

Just play the orginal! WOOO! BREAK THE CHAINS!

Yeah... that's enough rebelling for one day.

Top TfTD tip of the day : Get gauss tanks asap - they own the other tanks.

If there is a game that is not worth playing then it's Aftermath. I'd play TFTD anytime instead of playing that extremely crappy game.

Even TFTD is superior to Aftermath in every aspect. I don't like 3D.

Well maybe...
I actually dont even thing that Aftermath is part of "Ufo family" But it is quite enoyable game althought it has many bugs and is absurd difficult sometimes.I agree,if you waited sequel to ufo and X-com it was a quite disapointing,but it is good tactical game...

Aftermath really crosses the line from the X-Com games which are more strategic to games like Silent Storm (I think it is called that) which is really a tactical strategy game.

Whilst I do miss the geoscape element of the game, I think that Aftermath is still a good game.

TfTD not only didn't improve on the orginal's graphics or gameplay, IMO it actually made it worse.

At the start of the game, it is nearly impossible to get anywhere due to the awful weapons you start with, and it doesn't get any easier as the game goes on.

The graphics are worse (more pixellated) and the environment you fight in gets very boring quickly.

Anyway, that's enough ranting.

Sorry for this horrible question, but I can not for the life of me figure out how to end a dang turn during fights?

:blink: LOL
There is end turn button on right.(There where you got level up,level down, ? button etc...)The controls are the same as in UFO...

Oh, I see now. I was afraid to hit that, because the first time I did the game crashed. Thanks

i didnt get UFO unknown to work, cause winzip taugth it was a screensaver. i dont get this one to work either. i download. uzip. click on install. and i stands:
Invalid option: Deep\INSTALL:EX
MicroProse Install ver 2.00:
INSTALL (FLAGS)
-s Do NOT auto-detect sound cards
-b Turn ON speeker-beeps
-p Do Not Load Background Art

WTF does it mean?!? :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :ranting:

Zombie, don't bother installing it - Extract it to a folder of your choosing and just use the Terror From the Deep .exe file!

The sound is HORRIBLE!

:blink: Never played it with sound.I remener that in originall Ufo were sounds pretty good and made a good atmosphere,but X-com is worse than Ufo,almost in everey aspect :not_ok:

So, does anyone here bother using the new types of craft you get later in the game?

I use them all apart from the Leviathon, really, because that takes way too much Zyrrbite.

Any of you like the manta etc. ?

I use them all. Leviathan comes in handy when you need a full squad with tanks on the other side of the world yesterday. :P

As for Zybrite, it is much more plentiful than E115 was in UFO.

Yeah, I guess and it is easy to get if you go attack cautiously, but still... I don't think it's very useful.

Still a better transport than the basic one, I guess (unlike in UFO 1)

Leviathan can take more damage than Manta (usefull if oyu dont' have the proper weapons for ships yet or have problem downing a really big alien ship).

Still it is mostly usefull just for last mission (in the deep, deep watters where other ships can't reach). Ah also good for colony missions because you can load it with vehicles (they can't be "wounded" in next mission) and totally destroy the colony.

Manta and Leviathan are both good ships. Hammerhead is a waste of Zybrite in my opinion, can only fit 12 people in. You want a ship that can fit as many people in as possible so they can go get some xp off the missions.
The new recruits are really green and tend to be the ones that get killed even with good armour, so you want to increase their stats fast.

LOL am I the only person here who uses the Hammerhead (Lightning) to attack colonies or Terror sites?

I send a group of 12 people (all of whom are well trained and armoured) to attack that kind of thing. Tanks in both UFO games are totally pointless after you get anyone in a team better than Sergeant/Ensign.

And Hammerheads are a way better transport than Leviathons, as with Leviathons everyone fills them with loads of crap soldiers, who need a lot of grenades and clips to be any good.

With a Hammerhead, all you need is 8 soldiers in good armour, with Guass Rifles and a Motion detector grenade (or whatever UFO2 calls it) and a Sonic Pulser and you can take down even the best UFOs.

Especially with a team of people ranked up to 'Commando' :ph34r:

If you want a REAL commando fight use Xcomutil and use the fighters as transports. 6 heavily armed elites.... :rifle: :rifle: :rifle: :rifle: :rifle: :rifle:

XcomUtil eh?

Where wouldst I be obtaining this... *thinks of medieval term* brave... piece of computer software?

I don't mind cheating with crafts, I just despise those who use money cheats!

P.S. does it work for the original UFO/X-COM?

It works with all versions of UFO/TFTD.

http://members.aol.com/stjones/xcomutil/

Holy crap that thing is AWESOME!

Woo now I don't have to bother fighting at night.

And the Heavy Laser is good, if expensive!

WOOOOO!

Wow... that is awesome. Go the Guass Weapons now! WOOOOO!

Sorry... ummm... yeah....

TfTD hint for the say: PWT is merde, apart from for defences. PWT defence is fantastic, get it, but have Sonic Oscillators on your ships.

WOOOO XcomUtil! :guns: Wooo Manta kicks behind!

Hi Guys..I am a newcomer to the X-com series..I am even a new comer for anygame dating before 1997 or 1998.. My first real contact with abandonned games was 2 weaks ago when i started downloading stuff form this site..This is why you will have to forgive me for a question about this game that might look stupid for "little experienced" players: i am playing this game now, didn't go so far yet but i am still unable to load tanks -or whatever they are called- to the Triton..So how to do this? Thanks for whoever will answer this question..

The tanks in this are called Golgumeths or something like that, they are very expensive and the torpedo ones only fire underwater.

For this reason, research Guass technology until you can get guass Golgumeths and also Guass craft cannons, which are quite good, especially compared to normal craft cannons.

They are just a normal item to load and it will tell you if there is not enough ammunition for the tanks.

They are listed under 'SWS' once loaded.

It's "coelacanth" :D
I don't know about you guys, but my TFTD game loves to jump out to windows so often, even when i'm running it from dosbox. Maybe it's just short of memory? :blink:

Mine's fine, but I use Windows 98SE with DOS, so I should be alright.

Shame yours doesn't work, it's quite a good game.

The original is better though.

Well, a tank needs the same amount of space as 4 people - look at the top of the "Ships" screen, and make sure you have space on your Triton (I think it's max is 14, so you can onnly use 10) and then add a tank in the Equipment screen.

TftD is far better than Xcom 1 - I much prefer the difficulty level. Added to that, the music is incredibly atmospheric!

If you want the game to be hard, use X-COM Util and make the original harder.

The original has better graphics and smoother gameplay, plus the research tree is way easier to get to grips with.

(Jim6 @ Mar 17 2005, 06:07 PM)

Thanks Jim6! This will eliminate a big handicap in my game..

I agree with PrejudiceSucks.. the ufo:enemy iunknown game has better graphics and overall play is better. Well, the research tree is more challenging in TFTD, so i prefer TFTD for veteran ufo players, rather than playing ufo again and setting the difficulty higher.

Hey guys. This game is a classic, and I still love it. I can get the game to work, but when I do a mission, I scoll off the map. I know there was talk about earleir in the thread. Use DOSbox. So I went and got DOSbox, installed it and all, and I can't figure out to get the game to work in it. Could someone help me with this please?

Thanks.

Use D-Fend as a front end to Dosbox: this way you can get a game running through Dosbox in no time, without having to type a single command.
http://members.home.nl/mabus/dfend.htm

Yeah, stupid me, I didn't think of looking in trouble shooting. Found out how to use it though. :D

Hi guys! I am having a couple of problems with the game again:
the first one: i made some encounters with an alien "Flying dish" during some shipping routes attack..No amunition i tried so far seems to be able to detroy that thing..How to destroy it?
The second one: i have some trouble with the Triton's door, sometimes it remains opened after an aquanaut exits, sometimes it doesn't..Remaining opened is sometimes very penalizing..So what is wrong with that door?
Thanks for anyone interested in answering this problem.

Yep, don't fire at shipping routes, you are supposed to land soldiers there.

As for the Triton thing, 1 turn after you pass through the door (maybe 2) it will close the door.

Hope that answers your questions.

Land at the shipping routes, it's the equivalent of a terror site. You have to clear out two sections of ship (plan on about 2 hours).

As for the Triton's door. You can right click to open and close it so long as a trooper is facing it. It takes no TUs and works on any door. VERY useful when an alien is lying in wait for you.

Because the door starts closed, what I recommend is to get everyone to prime their grenades (all of them) and stick them back in their pockets!

The aliens don't, as a rule, go into your transports on purpose, so you could easily prime 3/4 grenades with everyone, and in TfTD grenades don't blow other grenades up, so you could explode with a few magna packs if you get eaten by an alien.

Works like a charm!

Oh and Shipping Route missions are just about the most tedious things ever.

Guys, u solved the second problem for me..Thanks a lot..As for the first one, i am afraid that i didn't explain well: of course i landed my soldiers in the ship to clear it.. The problem is: there is an enemy "alien" that i am not managing to destroy and it looks like a "small flying dish" floating around.. Usually, this "thing" appears with "tasoth soldiers" and does not appear when i land my soldiers in terror sites or to clear a ship and find the "Gill men and Deep ones"..Hope i clarified the problem this time..Thanks again for the answers..

Can't find it? They stop moving after about 10 turns. Looks like a room by room search is in order. ;)

Or can't destroy it?....hrm....what do you mean by "small"? Only thing I can think of that might be fish are the 4x4 nautilus and jellyfish and those have massive armour...

Yeah, those things are very, very nasty, especially on a Cruise Attack or whatever they are called. You really want to watch out for them.

On other notes : I got the 150th TfTD post... w00t.

i still remember spent few hours to develop new tech, search for alien.....

and that annoying bug that keeps you from finishing the game.... >.>

Hi Guys,

Just a newb question,

I'm trying to get TFTD to install, but I just get a message saying "Install not complete". The only options I get in the install menu are view readme file and exit install.

I know an earlier poster said to just run the .exe file, but the only executables in my zip are the install, mpscopy and pkunzip. Any ideas?

:wall:

What bug doesn't allow you to finish the game? Is it in the "gold" version as well? I was thinking of playing the game after all these years (never finished it), but if there is a bug that doesn't allow you to finish it I might as well save my time.

Still beatable, just have to be SURE you get EVERYTHING in the correct order in some places.

Weird, I have the "Install Game" option at the top. Try extracting them to a folder and the installing in dos/dosbox, and if not try redownloading the archive.

Jman, is there something like a guide for that? I wouldn't want to reach a dead end because of it.

I believe it may be in the USG. Be sure you get a live and a dead Deep One. Most of the tech hinges on it.

Live and dead Deep One, check.
Thank you!

Thanks BeefontheBone,

Installs fine under DosBox.
:ok:

The bug is,that when you resreach Tasloth(one of alien types) commander,you wont be able to resreach finall craft(something like Avenger)-so you wont be able to finish the game.Happened me once :wall: :wall: :wall:

So, apart from that deep one creature, I should also first research the final craft before researching that second alien. Thanks.

It's the Tasloth Commander that messes the T'Leth bit up. It isn't supposed to exist and if you get one via a bug you can't get the stuff to beat the game. *Does web search.....*

From what I dug up, it seems to be: Deep One corpse > Aqua Plastics > Plastic Aqua Armour > Ion Beam Accelerators > Live Deep One > Ion Armour > Magnetic Navigation > Mag Ion Armour

Then you get the ship tech after the Mag Ion.

Keep a sub contruction around while doing the research too...

Ah, so I shouldn't research any Tasloth alien, and focus on that path you mentioned. Thank you.
:ok:

http://dlh.net/cgi-bin/pat.cgi?lang=...s&sys=pc&cap=x

if you look down till you reach xcom ii it has a file called research tree fix, I wonder if this helps?

no...you need a Tasloth to get psi, just avoid any Tosloth Commanders like the plague.

Hey Everyone,

At the risk of being considered lame, is there a research guide or some such thing for X-COM2? I've had too many problems researching things and it getting messed up

Also.....does anyone out there have the cheat that gives you 50 000 000 dollars?

Oh, you have to save often.
I use Win98SE with DOS and I ocassionally get burst out of the game, usually when you start a battle. It's best you do a double-boot Win98 and WinXP to run old games on 98, it works most of the time.

There is full research tree, hints, tips and cheats at
xcomufo.com

Game on,

Does anyone now how to use the editor from xcomufo.com? I'm using windows xp with dosbox.

does anyone have tried this game on winxp pro SP2?
coz the zip file i downloaded fr this site only has the below exe files:

1. Install.exe
2. MPScopy.ex

there's no terror form the deep.exe
also, the install.exe doesnt work, nor i tried to install from within the zipped file, nor i tried clicking the Install button on winzip. all doesn't work.

it says:
16 bit MS-DOS Subsystem
c:\...\installexe
c:\windows\systems32\autoexec.nt. The system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications. Choose 'Close' to terminate the application.

i've also tried DOSbox to run install.exe but doesn't work too. i'm familiar with dosbox hav used it to run other games.

any suggestions?
thanks,

that's the problem.. the zip file i downloaded from this site doesn't have this file "Terror From the Deep .exe"

in fact, the only files in the zipped file downloaded are:

Install.dat
Install.exe
Install.gif
MPScopy.exe
MPSLABS.IDX
PKUNZJR.COM
README.txt
TFTD.001


total 8 files.. don't have terror from the deep.exe
any clues?

thanks,

"Problem with Autoexec.nt" thread in Troubleshooting section...

You need to install the game to play it if you only have the files mentioned in your last post.

thanks pal.. hav located the autoexec.nt file and made a copy in the system32 folder.

the game installed and able to run. :)

somehow every DOS game on this site doesnt work on my computer. I have Windows XP Service Pack 2 and for some reason I had Windows 98 and the DOS games worked. Can someone find a solution to how I will get my computer to play DOS games again?

Run them through Dosbox. You can find Dosbox and its tutorial here:
http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs

Solution 1: Install DOS

Solution 2: Install a DOS based Windows (95/98/ME)

Solution 3: Get a DOS emulator, such as DOSBox....

Install double-boot XP and 98 so that whenever you need real DOS to run old games you are ready. Note: you have to install 98 first.

Hello:
To the people having trouble running the game on XP, here is my option:
I use the windows version of TFTD and it works fine under XP. I don't know if that's the same version that is located here in Abandonia. I think that this is the best and easy way to make XCom2 run under such operative system. Don't forget to deactivate the hardware acceleration before running the game (if not you'll see "interferences", at least with Nvidia Gcards)
There's also the option of using DosBox but you'll need a fast machine to make Xcom run smoothly
Bye, hope it helps!

You are right, the version of Xcom2 at abandonia is the DOS version, which has trouble running on XP.

Anyone get problems with the Abandonia Xcom2 download please try to get the Windows version (which runs fine on XP) at www.the-underdogs.org. Check the Strategy section and you will find Xcom2. The download is around 4MB.

Warning: Two versions have difference research tree!!!
To understand it, please visit this website of a veteran:

http://www.geocities.com/nkfarma/xcom.html

and go to the Xcom2 research tree section.

Enjoy,

OR do like everybody else and use DOSBox. :ok:

Edit: Very nice site BTW.

OR install DOS 6.2....

OR simply use MS-DOS prompt in Win '98 if you have it (lucky bastards) or D-fend (handy as hell).

OR a boot disk and FAT partition...

Any of the above will work. I hope that you have fun with this game (that isn't as good as UFO, but whatever).

i have trouble running TFTD ond dosbox it runs kinda slow and i have a fast computer

any help?

Yeah, try increasing the cycles a bit, or alternatively download the HoTU version which works with XP. It also saves Abandonia's money! Woohoo.

or download win version from underdogs..

I actually said this before. You fool.

Hi:

I keep thinking that the best option is to run Collector's Edition instead of DosBox.
Yes, the Dosbox option is there over the table, you can use it, but I think unless you have a monster you won't be able to run it smoothly, specially playing tactical on 4th levels. I know that because I did it before and that was the result. The other options are to get it somewhere or upload the Collectors Edition into abandonia. I think I'll suggest it to the admins and maybe we'll avoid future compatibility problems. I'm now running Xcom3 with DosBox and runs choppy choppy in tactical scape at 7th or 8th levels.
I use DosBox often and I think is a good tool, but I also hate to run my games with a poor framerate. Hope improvements though.
Bye.

Xcom3? Apocalypse? In that case you do not need to run it under dosbox. :max:

yes, i played. but i never understand some things of the game... well, better play my favorite games: Liero, Stunts, Carmen Sandiego and Faery Tale Adventure. :D

I recommend the original of the series. Apoc was lame and TFTD is way too hard and the graphics are worse.

Sorry, but it's true.

agree

I hope you did, or I wouldn't have said it.

Btw, 200th post is MINE... good night.

Apocalypse is a very decent game if you can take the fact that it is really the worse game of the triology. By taking the game as it is then it is good by normal standard. I always got a lot of fun playing Apocalypse as soon as I learned how the game worked. Unfortunatly it has a steep learning curse... Worse than the original Xcom.

Exactly, which is the reason I didn't like it. The aliens also suck, they look and feel really... bad...

When I said worse I was talking about the learning curve, not the game.

Ah... right... well I think that it is worse in both. On the other hand, that is a bit off-topic.

Woohoo 200th post is mine.

By the way, any news on if we can get X-Com Interceptor?

Well i would complain bout the learning curve i learned the basics in 1 or 1,5 hour.
I think the aliens look S***Y but the rest is OK.
TFTD is hard... Too damn hard ive had an cillman port atack in the game before i could build gauss rifled (so i had to use harpoons) witch were very inefective versus deep ones :ranting: . they whacked me quickly.
And the Xcomutil crashes randomly when i place the cursor near the edge of the screen.

Hmm, the basic are not enough. I really recommend UFO over this one. UFO has alright graphics and is just a better game to play.

XcomUtil is a bit annoying sometimes, I just switched to XP and it doesn't even let me get to the battlescape :(

I can't even get TFTD deep to run.. such a pain in the arse..... any advice? I have DOSOX

Do you get an error message? If yes, what does it say?

I can sort of install it (though it never accepts any sound options) then it tells me to type the exe commands into dos to run it, but when I try that in DOSBOX it can't find the directory.

cool games, i loved it - but i can't play with windows 2000 :cry:

Get DFend people. Also Win 2K should work, isn't there a 'UFO.exe' the same as the one for X-COM 1?

:guns:
TO settle it all, YEs X-COM 1 is much cooler! The weapons looked Awsome, The Armor was Awsome, the Armor was Awsome! Arming my first squad with all Laser and HE Weapons was awsome! There was not a single building left standing and my squad didn't even have to leave the Skyranger Area. It was hard to sure.. Still fun!

TFTD However was the HARD MODE, long Grueling Missions spent Out Gunned and Out Numbered, and beyond vissual range!! OUCH.



Favoret Moments:
X-COM1 :The Lone Hero? That sole Survivor who snaps out of Panic mode near the sKyRanger without a weapon! He finds a Laser Pistol, Auto Cannon, or Spare Stun Rod inside.... Then goes on to complete the entire mission ALONE. Then you save the file in his honor and he gets promoted to Commander ^^

TFTD: :Titan: Vibroblading any Alien, surrounding an Alien with a stun battons and waiting for him to wake up again ;), and Running out of ammo and throwing my weapon at the SOB that just wouldn't die! It hits him and he dies! Also fun was throwing the random missle and it actually exploding on contact or eventually.. odd bug and fun to!

X Apoc: The Hover Bikes, Arming a fleet of HoverBikes with Justice Missile Launcher and swarming a UFO... hahah the havok!

Does anyone play X-COM Email? there is a serverless version avilable since the primary server was shut down. Also has anyone been able to get XCOM 1-2-3 into multiplayer internet mode somehow some way? Thats what we all want isn't it =) yeah....

Looking here would probably answer your question.

To the best of my knowledge it's the only game which allow you to play Xcom multiplayer.

Hi guys just wondering if the version provided here is patched to V 2 or not? I found out there was a patch released for this game fixing several bugs and downloaded it from the micropose FTP website. Actually I was thinking of updating the game so could anyone help me out?

I got a problem everytime I try to do engage the UFOs with my crew and battle them I get this error and then my rating goes to poor even when I didn't get to do the mission. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y20...512/Screen.png :angry:

That, my friend, is a missingfile methinks.

I extracted the whole thing again in the same folder replacing everything and tried it and it still came up with the same message ? what can I do now ? :cry:

Download from another site. Search for that file maybe.

You could try to check if "X-Com - Terror From the Deep" files are read-only. Select all files => right-click on one of them => select properties. There should appear a "box" in which you can see if the files are read-only, hidden ... . If they are read-only (the box near read-only is marked), unmark the box and select OK.

If it doesn't work, do what PrejudiceSucks said.
:ok:

Because when has the Melancholy Man-Bot ever failed?

My PC kept crashing randomly in during mission and whenever it the alien's turn to move? can anyone suggest a solution?

Use DOSBox if you don't already. Otherwise the Xcom games are known to crash randomly from time to time. Saving often usually prevent that problem from being too much of a nuisance.

There is none sadly. Some problems are just stuck with the X-Com games...

does anyone know of a website where i could buy the x-com CE, amazon has it but its like $100 more then it should. would be of great help to me :Titan:

Try eBay, it could help you in your search!

Good luck on finding it like. It's rarer than rocking-horse sht

I'm kinda supprised that everyone tells that X-Com 1 is better than X-Com 2. You just compare everything in XC2 with your beloved XC1. Well I'll say that I've started from TFTD (6-7 years ago) and just week ago jumped on XC1. Well XC1 is just... smaller - everything in TFTD is bigger than in UD, from maps to ufopedia :)

The one thing I like more in UD is music on geoscape (but I'll say that music in TFTD is more... climatic)

That's all, never played UFO? Start with TFTD and don't hear those "fanatics" ;]

No, try UFO first and you'll be more disappointed with TFTD. The maps are too large and time-consuming and the aliens are stupid.

It is either too hard or too easy. UFO was just right.

TFTD really isn't that good compare to the first game....
just the tech-tree bug can trash all your hard work not to mention the really damn ugly air-fight screen and the nonsense-can't-attack-in-air-need-to-prsuite BS
WTF is all the good old weapons from the first game? You might say because X-COM can't find the I-15 thingy, but why can't you at least use the laser weapon?
And the gauss weapon need to research/make clip is just totally lame

Yeah, I find that totally unfair. Plus the game starts off too hard and ends too easy...

hey i cant make it working :(. downloaded here version works fine (video), but too fast. when i run it in dosbox, screen flicker (LCD).
any1 can help ?

Game download from here is a little choppy in windows and does crash from time to time is there anyway to fix that?, but i've found it plays flawless in dosbox, except its terribly slow. No matter of cpu cycles will fix it, but if anyone has any info how to make it run more smoothly it would be great. One last thing, is there a weapon in TFTD, that like the Laser in UFO does not require ammo? thanks

I agree that it wasn't good as the first one, but I never had any bug issues with it...talking about the original which I bought anyways..not sure about the ripped one.

I agree though that it wasn't as good. Apoc was cool though :P

@ FattyFats

No there isn't. The Guass Weapon is the closest you get and that needs bloody clips.

I think they should've of made X-com enemy unknown and TFTD in one game with the outline of Enemy unknown of course the design for TFTD is UGLY.

:help: I can't figure out how to run it :help: Help

i like how the underwater scenarios are acctually interesting.
Eg: Sunkenships and old stone buildings.
Unlike UFO where its farms and farms and farms then a jungle then farms

...I just hate those Lobstermen!!!

I have xp on my computer and the game runs almost as it should. The only problem is that the game shuts itself down from time to time. Especially when I try to go down stairs and steps.
Anyone got any tips?

Hi TFTD is a very good game. I like it better than ENEMY UNKNOWN I played it for HOurs, DAYS , WEEKS ...and now a year i have buyed it from ebay in a game pack: If u like it u should buy it too. The game pack is Named Power, Coruption and Lies - and contains Beneath a Steel SKY, F 14 Fleet Defender, Ufo Enemy Unknown and UFO Terror From The Deep.

Flying Dish/Mini UFO - it takes a couple of hits/depends on weapon as well. If you fire at it enough with gauss/sonic better it should go down.

I like this game but I can't get it to run properly. If I use the DOSbox version then it's extremely slow. If I use the windows version then there is no music and it occasionally CTD. Anyone know how to get the music running?

the first missions are way too difficult
you cant hit anything its mostly one hit-one kill
and the thing that i hate most is the alien grenades!!
they have awfully large explosion area so the aliens just bomb all my soldiers,whilst my grenaden cant clean even small ufo

Been there, done that.

Dig up this thread and search for my advice on the matter.

Some time ago i saw in the market a game named.
UFO GNIEW BOGA (Wrath of God).
I was an Turn based strategy similar to EU and TFTD.
Even the screens at the back looked familiar.
i recognised sectoids with their disks and humans in power armour with tanks.
Is it a part of ufo saga ?

It sounds like a mod to me.

Hints for anyone struggling with grenades : space yourselves out and get armour as soon as possible, that way, your troops will survive.

OTOH you could just split up and go Rambo with a guass pistol.



And a tip about Lobstermen - They are very easy to kill or stun in close combat, a single taser hit drops them to the floor. Then throw them towards your transport!

how cna you efectivelly use proximity grenades???

Prime them and then throw them 1 square away from a door (not right next to it). If anything tries to come out of it then they will die.

Other than Lobstermen, obviously. Hit them with Thermal Tazers instead.

I never used them in any of the 3 games. The reason is simple; if you know how to play your team tactic well, using soldiers to hunt down the Aliens is way more faster and often even simplier.

The only "good" use I could think of would be to securize your back when you are running around with a single squaddie. That way you'll know if an Alien is coming at your back.

Otherwise, I guess you really need to be very, very patient...

Sell them ! :ok:

yah there doesent' seem to be much use of them. mainly because their damage is weak.

i did found in one walkthrough that you can use them to fidn out where aliens are, but the problem is that their hidden movement often means that they remain in one place.

has anyone else noticed how aliens love that kitchen on the passanger boat? i wonder what kind of a meal they cook on thsese boats to attract aliens so much. oh and they also seem to be some kind of perverts since often they hide in wardrobes or whatever those small areas in passanger quarter are. LOL

I got the same problem! I cant use TfTD.exe cos i dont have it. :angry: I checked te zip and saw that biggest file in it was TfTD. 001 But it cant be used?

Do i have the DOS version? I downloaded it from the site.

Plus I actually dont know how to use DosBox correctly. My friend helped me with it, but it doesnt seem to work. :help:

Use D-Fend, it's a lot easier. I don't use straight DOSBox because I know little about DOS.

D-Fend on the other hand is piss-easy to use.

Now i have to learn to use D-fend :blink:

Sorry, forgot to log. when i make profile to D-fend it asks to select game exe... Dont know what to do... takes time to learn this. :crazy: Does the profile making mean, i make profile for a game?.. if so i cant make one for TfTD
:not_ok:

As I told before The TfTD.exe is replaced with TfTD.001 file!!!

And D-fend cant use it as game exe!

Ah!

Then use the install.exe program and put it in its default directory. It's what I did and it worked fine on XP.

No disc or copy protection. So do that.

What Install.exe program? :D Sorry, i guess i know what u mean.. :)

I cant use D-fend to play TfTD cos it doesnt have any game file, what i can use to start the game.... Maybe Im just dumb and dont understand what u mean :tomato:

LOL! I was just messing around, trying to do everything i can to get it work, and accidently i hit something and i got it working! :Brain: :Brain: :roflol:


Only problem now is that the gam is running too fast.

Run 3 copies of it :D - works fine.

ok thx :D

I tried to run copies of it at the same time, but computer locks down if i continue...

When using D-fend, all my time is going to set up the correct settings for the game! If i run the game with the default settings, the game is a bit slowish...

for example, when i click the place for my base, the base appears after few seconds, not right away.

The sounds are like from bullet-time mode :not_ok:

try running winnap as same time :whistle:

it´s a good game but i am at half of second year and i need to win it... HOW?
i got no more techs to get
all missions are the same, sometimes the aliens manage to make some damage to the sas but there isn´t any more challenge and i am growing boring :yawn:

I think u got the Tech bug? read this thread for help... of course not sure of it... What's Winnap? :D

Try UFO : Enemy Unknown.

If you think you got the tech bug, you should look here.

I consider using that site as a cheat if you are not really under the tech bug tough. So you know.

Yeah, might play Enemy Unknown instead. I just know all of it and playing it again doesnt fell nice atm. Dont have a choice. :)

:help: When I run Install.exe there are only two buttons: "readme" and "exit". I unzipped TFTD.001 in the same folder but no use. The other files are not recognized by WinZip, WinAce or WinRar.What can I do to install the game? :help:

There exitst modified exe for both X-com titles TFD and XC wich makes those games work FLAWLESSLY under modern XP os without any problems. I liked to post a link orginall but i can't find it again, even if i have both exe. I could submit them i guess... how would i do that ?

OMFG.
I started playing this game again after growing a bit tired of UFO (my base got attacked and destroyed and I hadn't saved for a very long time) and everything was working fine and I entered my first mission bravely. Killed all aliens I encountered until I met one bastard in the darkness... seems I encountered some sort of bug where this alien had auto-shot and it seemed as if his shots didn't cost him any time units. So not only did I rush him with 7 men and they ALL got killed (mind you, it was ONE aquatoid in the first mission on the BEGINNERS level), it took forever as well to fight it since he misses 9 out of 10 shots.

Oh... my... f*cking... god!

Sounds like a normal fight for me.

'cept that I learned how to survive that way. Fighting in the darkness is the biggest mistake you can make ever in the Xcom games.

ESPECIALLY in X-COM : TftD.

I don't know why it being day or night affects sight 2000 feet down though. It's pretty dark all of the time.

And the aliens do have a sight advantage at night in this one I believe.

An aquatoid firing auto-rounds 50 times when I come near him doesn't sound normal... unless the game is extremely hard.

look closely on the map and you will see that not all parts of the world are deep. some are deeper and darker while others are closer to surface and brighter. so when you down the ailen craft into shallow watter it's logical that it's a bit brighter.

yes suonic pistols use very low ammount of time units. so if the aquatoid was commander or some highranking officers he would have a lot of time units to spare and autoshot is cheap on sonic pistol. also the aliens carry ammo with them.

you will see later in game the giant dinosaur like alien that is somewhat equivalent to your vehicle. he is armed with sonic cannons of some sort and can be really troublesome because he can shoot fast (auto) and lot of shots. luckilly he is not precise.

Once you will get the sonic vehicle you will also dominate them as it has 100 shots at it's disposal. sonic pistol also has a lot of ammo in one clip.

Shallow being 1000 feet down or more. That's still going to be very dark.

And Guass pistols do fine for a bit at least. Guass rifles are pretty good.

I don't care what you're saying I still think my version has a bug.
Now when I restarted the game and played, my entire crew got killed by ONE alien even before they got out of the ship. He most've shot a 100 shots and killed all my men. THAT is not normal, especially when I'm playing on the beginners level.

i got a problm i can't receh meg-nav evan wan i have the stuff for it. :eeeeeh: :huh:

what u said? :eeeeeh:
was that supposed to be any known human laungage?

I think he said he can't research meg-nav(?) even when he has the right (insert your best guess here).

why would he need 100 shots for 12 men? :blink:

no you can't. you need to capture a live alien commander and interrogate him. he will tell you how mag. navigation works. and then you could research it. :bye:

why would he need 100 shots for 12 men? :blink: [/b][/quote]
Because he aims like crap.

Hummm... Sound like TFTD for me. ;)

Because he aims like crap. [/b][/quote]
Let me guess, if you skip using your TRAINERS och CHEATS maybe this wouldn't have heppend :D

The game is THAT hard?

If it was a lobsterman then it's entirely likely, to begin with anyway. And yes, it's murderously difficult.

It all depend on your playstyle. For me, it's just slighly above average in difficulty and the only real problem I had to adapt in TFTD VS UFO is the Aliens grenage throwing which really improved in between the two games.

Grenades hurt. :cry:

But I mean: ONE freaking alien sometimes shoots against my crew like 50 times. Is that normal?

If it really is one alien and 50 times i think it's definitly not normal. 15 or 18 times would be more than enough even with a sonic pistol. But go get them anyway ! :sniper:

Having a lone Alien going berzerk on you and firing auto shots which can seems like endless, it can happen. However, did you ever heard of cover? Or/and you don't have to walk right away to the Aliens in the game. Try to ambush it or something, or throw a grenade from afar.

If it's a night mission, bring at least enough flares to give every soldier one and never advance on the mission without taking your flare and throwing it further away. Otherwise it would be a suicide mission.

Trust me, I've been taking a lot more cover now than before, and chucking grenades all over the battlefield.
But it's really annoying when one of those aliens is waiting for me right outside my ship in the darkness and as soon as I step out with my guys, 4 of them get killed (again, one aliens shoots around 50 shoots and since the soldiers are tightly clustered, at LEAST 4 of them gets killed.

Trust me, I've been taking a lot more cover now than before, and chucking grenades all over the battlefield.
But it's really annoying when one of those aliens is waiting for me right outside my ship in the darkness and as soon as I step out with my guys, 4 of them get killed (again, one aliens shoots around 50 shoots and since the soldiers are tightly clustered, at LEAST 4 of them gets killed. [/b][/quote]
Soooo, don't have them so close to each other? Take cover? Use a tank to scout?

Soooo, don't have them so close to each other? Take cover? Use a tank to scout? [/b][/quote]
How the hell am I supposed to NOT have them clustered in the ship? ALL squads starts a mission clustered in the ship.

could it be possible that you only see it as many shots, because of some screen flickering??

i seriously never heard of this bug. and i also never had any problems with XCOM:TFTD. i know some other bugs, but not this one.

If your troops are getting shot while inside the ship (never happened to me but I believe you), the use a smoke or two grenades at first to cover your exit from the ship. If you have a cannonfodder soldier or a tank, use them to exit first for a quick scan of the area. If your troops are clusteres together right outsise the ship, then, don't put them together so tight but let one or two at a time and look for cover before you take more out.

No, I'm positive that the aliens are shooting THAT many times.
It's kinda fun actually because it makes the game REALLY hard... I'm just worried about one thing: If it is this hard when playing on beginner... :rolleyes:

50 SHOTS!!!!??? :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:


"Trust me, I've been taking a lot more cover now than before, and chucking grenades all over the battlefield.
But it's really annoying when one of those aliens is waiting for me right outside my ship in the darkness and as soon as I step out with my guys, 4 of them get killed (again, one aliens shoots around 50 shoots and since the soldiers are tightly clustered, at LEAST 4 of them gets killed."

I am the top of tech tree and still using one man with the Gas Cannon with P proyectiles.
I can´t kill nobody with this but it will light the way.
But if happens that when u open the door of the triton an alien is already shotting u. ABORT ABORT
nothing to do, just take the few loses posible.
use the tank in land too (at the begin of game the sas or tank only shots in water).
if they destroy the tank continue as u can.
Anyway for help u, i need to know what tech do u got???







Anybody has ended the game in the good way.

not to mention the last mission where you can't save...

tip:always save in base before going on a mission, and when on a mission save each turn.

i am trully interested if you somehow manage to develope molecular control, how many time units will the aliens under M.C. have?

it might be that there is some error in file that determines their time units. tat way they could shoot many times. whenever i pleyed they usually shoot at me afew times. i didnt' give them much time anyway too shoot.

the only aliens i know that are capable of many miltishots are ther ones that looks like flying saucer and the one that looks like a dinosaur (takes up 4 squares like your tank). these two especially the saucer can shoot a lot of times (3-4 sometimes 5 shots per turn) and it's very hard to kill. others usualyl have max 3 shots per turn and even then they have to be standing and using autoshot.

Which version are you guys using? I have two versions, the one from here (DOS version) and another one from The Underdogs (Windows version). The DOS version runs kinda choppy but I don't know if it has the "bug" as well.

For the molecular control, 1 turn. When u see an alien and make the MC attack u must choise attemp to control the alien(for the turn of tht MC att u will move the alien and for the next aliens turn, he will be like an aquanaut, but for your next turn he will be an alien again) or just disrupt him (lower the moral and cause panic). The succes of the MC att is bases in the MC capacity of your guy, the training in MC of your guy and the tipe of alien. A orange alien(i can´t traslate hombrelangosta) is one of the easier targets, a tashlot is an medium taget and a tentacult is a hard one.

Each alien can shot as max 2 times. There are exeptions like the dinosaurs, the telebrains(the brain over a plataform, the one when killed explodes) and the Anrunoid. But in general, twice shot per alien and if the alien haved avance at least 3 block he will shoot single.

Some questions for you:

How did you do the first time that u find the orange aliens(hombreslangosta en espa?ol)?
I don´t got enough equipment to defeat them, i was still over the arpons launchers.
With some tanzer i manege to capture one of them. And i just bring the Gaus rifle to fight them but until i got MC, the missions against they took about 5 causalities each.

And before that i denvelope MC, each mission where one aquanaut gets controled by aliens was aborted.

And how i have to do for get the last mission???

i got the windows one

It's easy: hombreslangosta = Lobster man :ok:

OOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I speak many languages, all of the very bad or MAX POWER :tomato:


Another question the sonic cannon has more fire-power but the Gaus rifle has the auto-shot (3 shot for the half of the move points and with the accurasy of a quick shot)
I chose Sonic C beacause time to time, i like to do a mission without tank, without MC, just the 4 men squad:

Scout
:help:

Close-support
:sniper:

Granedier
:Titan:




Artillery and ilumination

:sick:

Since my last psot doesn´t got any reply....
i will question again, what i have to do for get the last mission?

Research the Alien City and then build a Leviathon.

I got all the tech tree but i never used the leviathan it was too much power.... i will see if can finish the game now, thanks :evil:

Can you tell me what is the best setting for the DOSBOX Configure

Sometime I can got it to full screen, but the pixel like very bad. :wall:

Get a CRT monitor?

Hi all

It's great to see so many hardened UFO fans after all these years :D ! I've been playing the original UFO and TFTD in annual binges since 1995 :)

The original UFO was fun. The missions are quite possible to finish without reloading and are nice and varied. The research tree and crafts were good. However, i found the original XCom too easy. It lacked the real harcore hardness of the second one. Without any hacking or scientist monthly plane ride exploting, on superhuman mode i could get 8 bases fully loaded with all facilities with 2 avengers in every base. Elerium supply was no problem by doing each landed ufo mission and tight elerium distribution between bases. Virtually 95% of my income came from weapon sales from missions. I only had one sponsor toward the end of the game :) Overall, i think UFO is one of the best PC titles ever made.

With all things being equal, I have to say i prefered TFTD. It is sooo hard i want to cry happy tears :kosta: The crabmen earned my respect very early when my whole team were wiped out playing darts a with crabman target :sniper: The bases were tough and the artefact sites were sooo scary - waiting in horror in those dark corridors for a brainbug to come find you :ph34r: Hey why are the shipping routes tedius? I find it is highly satisfying after searching the whole ship to find the last alien cowering in the freezer room :) I managed to complete tftd on superhuman. It was the most intense challenge of my life :Titan: I am about to play it again for the 2005 annual binge.

Good to know you are all still playing Xcom :D

mohhingman


UFO Tip: Always try to do missions during the day. If you are forced to do missions at night, make sure you bring flares with you. They make it possible to have a chance at shooting aliens a distance away (the aliens must have infra-red eyes to shoot from that distance without flares) :eeeeeh:

:help: hi im a player of ufo2 terror from the deep and i have a problem, when i play the game runs normaly but in the missions kicks me, i don't know why, i have windows xp if somebody understand me please help me

if you can read in spanish here is the post
hola yo juego ufo2 terror from the deep, pero tengo un problema, cundo empiezo todo esta normal, pero en las misiones el juego se cierrra automaticamente, no se porque, ?sera porque tengo windows xp? si sabes la solucion a este problema porfa responde gracias :help:

Proba de cargarlo en Dosbox aunque en Win98 anda perfecto y tu inglés es correcto :ok:

well i finally got through all the posts and i have to say that i am suprised that so many ofyou guys think tftd is so much harder. The biggest problem i have ALWAYS had has been goddamn sectoid/aquatoid mind controlling my guys and killing my entire squad. I can't say i find much difference between the tftd and enemy unknown in that respect. I really like being able to open doors without walking through them though :D I know the obvious solution to that problem is to develop mind control for my guys but i always thought it was alittle too powerful and not very military - esque, for my guys to have superhuman abilities. Anyway i was wondering if i am alone on this one... anyone else out there avoid mind control like the plague? and if so how do you deal with those goddman sectoid/aquatoids? I just finished a mission where i had only one aquatoid left who killed around five of my guys, hiding on the third level of his ship and mind controlling me :ranting:

ps - i am SO stoked to find so many other people worship these 2 games as much as myself....

oh also why don't you guys like night missions? I think they rule! Like someone mentioned before ( i can't remember who) all you need is one flare for each guy and to be careful to blanket the map with flares and its all good. I think its alot more atmospheric too, it should be that dark every mission as we are supposed to be on the ocean floor.

just on a side note i think i like the death screams in enemy unknown more than tftd i think that's my only real complaint, less satisfying when you kill the aqua aliens and hear them scream than the land versions... ahh well

oh hey also i checked out ufo2000 and OMG its AWESOME!!!! 640x480 res is so sweet!!!! And i am sure this is probably a retarded question but i take it you can't use that program to mod tftd or xcom1 to play the battles in 640x480? that would rule SO hard.... sooooooooooooooooo hard.....



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so hard...

anyway that's my last post for tonight i promise. Thanks for anyone answering my no doubt stupid questions

cheers

Public Bob

Guest: u must drink and no water :beer:

Anyway, i love dark missins too but i use the gas cnnon with p proyectiles to "make the light" :Jesus: The mind control is pain, i have enormus causalities and got runned away in the most of mission by 3 months until i got mind control and started to blast them out off the earth, unlucky, they brided another gov and i lost :cry:

Actually, there are far fewer aliens in TFTD that can mind control than in X-COM 1
-Aquatoid Navigator - rare, Commander - very rare, Technician
-Gillman Commander - very rare
-Tasoth Squad Leader - these are the most common ones, but in X-com 1 ALL Ethereals could mind control

Gillwhat?.... :blink:

Gillmen - you know the green guys that hang around with Deep Ones in the terror missions?

Or if you're referring to their Commander - he only appears if you assault a Gillman Dreadnought - him using M.C. gave me quite a surprise...

I get it "hombre barnquia" equal to gillmen :wall: :ok:

i have a little problem... it goes too fast on my pc!!! someone knows ho to slow it down??

Are u sure that the game speed is in 5sec?

well, if yes try to load it in dos-box and down pc cycles, anyway i doesn´t look like one of this old games that goes and run like fire in gunpower.

i tryied but it is too fast and use 100% cpu!!! why?

Try to open winap(or other mp3 player) while loading the game. The game works well to me and if u set cool musik u can play even better. Try to redownload the game. And good luck with it :ok:

I have a problem.The game runs fragmented,please help me someone

Could you be more specific? What exactly is fragmented? The graphics, the speed, etc.

I've recently downloaded this game, it's alright. No match for the original, however, but there is one thing that really sticks out to me; The Molecular Control chips. In the Alien Base missions, they can take over any one of your guys, even though it should be technically possible to find and remove any/and or all chips implanted in the brain (This is 2040, for gods sake). So how can they control your guys when they don't have any chips?
And secondly. What happened to the old X-com guys? They are probably old, tired, and mostly out of business eating rice-pattys in an old age home, but wouldn't some of the scientists from 41 years in the past come forward and say "Hey! I still have a large stockpile of Elerium! And the plans for the Avenger, now we can modify it to go underwater, but still!" and have some really good technology from the start other than the stuff that manages to get 18% hit rate regardless?
This is just curiosity, but, It has puzzled me for the last week. :bye:

The important thing to remember about Xcom2, is that the largest amount of feedback about the original was that it was not hard enough. TFTD is little more than a reskinning of Enemy Unknown, with additional tweaks to make the game more challenging. If I was really bored, and I had my nuclear physics textbook, I could use some first year calculus to come up with the number of neutrons that produces the longest lived isotope of Elerium 115. It would probably be less than a year. Gauss weaponry attempt to produce much of the whammy of a plasma weapon, but without the unobtainable ingredient.

The aliens can MC any earth lifeform. The implants make the control more complete and more reliable. The Synomium device network, if completed, will allow the aliens to control all of humanity, at once.

The Avenger is fast and quite capable of shrugging off plasma strikes, but it is not a sub. Any avengers built by X-com are languishing in aircraft museums, for lack of fuel, if nothing else. In many ways, the barracuda is much more kick behind than an avenger, if for no other reason than its ability to go supersonic in an almost incompressable medium.

What surprises me is that you do not complain about the totally inappropriate weaponr taken on terror missions. Who, in their right mind, takes a jet harpoon launcher to a gun fight, when laser pistols are the standard sidearm? I would even be thankful for the chemically powered projectile weapons of 1999. Fortunately, the aliens suffer worse, as they have no handy dry place to stash plasma weapons between terror raids.

TFTD was for all of the people who cleared out Cydonia and wept for lack of a further challenge. Unfortunately, many of the aspects of TFTD that make it more challenging than Enemy Unknown make it more annoying, too.

I have a problem running this game. I use dosbox, get the cycles just right, etc. I then have the game running flawlessly on my computer. However, I will get in a battle that freezes up the program. It always happens when there is an explosion in one of the darkened areas (not visible) of the map.The game just freezes there. I have restarted the game and my computer numerous times to replay the battle, and it always freezes up in the same spot when the explosion happens. I have uninstalled, reinstalled, and started new games a number of times, only to get in a battle where the problem repeats itself. I may be a newbie on this site, but I assure you all that I have a rather solid background in computers. Please help me out here... Thank you in advance.

Elerium goes inert when in contact with water, so that's basically why you can't use all the Elerium-based equipment and vehicles from the previous game. And that's why you must resort to Zrbite and entirely new technologies in TFTD.

:tomato:

The most powerful equipment in the world, and it isn't waterproof :bleh:

Thanks. And, Nightshade, I couldn't get TFTD to work for the first 4 weeks, either. I said "Screw it" and called it a crappy game. Then, I found The Underdogs (Google it). They have a windows version of TFTD, that SHOULD work for you. Worked for me.
Thanks again for te info about TFTD.

Thanks, but I think I fixed whatever was causing the glitch.

My first aproach to x-com was download and play TFTD and i liked it too much. It was a good, defiant and well done game. But by the time i downloaded UFO-Enemy Unk and i get the big rob that was TFTD.... what in the hell they had done??? Nothing, they just changed the whole game to leave us the same game. Each alien, each weapon, each craft, mission, everything of UFO it´s his underwater version in TFTD. They didn´t solve the mistakes of UFO like the fact the u don´t get pints from shotingdown the enemy craft. Or any modification like normal force to help x-com when the gov finances u or aginst u when the alien packs. New crafts or a new research tree. The best of both games is in the first x-com that u play its the first mission, the surprice of didn´t know what are u fighthing against or how fight it.... when the denvelopers remaines the game like fisrt, they didn´t added nothing but they leave it without the emotion of the discovering of the game :ranting:

Well there are some changes.
New items (VIBRO BLADE).
New aliens (Lobsterman).
Weapons that only work underwater (OK there just modified old weapons).
Some aliens needed for making reasearch.

Any tips how to defeat a lobsterman?
In an island terror mision ive tried to blast one...
here are my arguments
9 gauss shots
2 sonic pulser's
1 magnablast (yep i was desperate)

After all that he fell and i seant two guys to take wathever he had and the presumably dead alien for reasaearch BUT at mission status i noticed that he was still alive (squad leader).

Is there any faster way of knocking them out.

@Acolyte:
To kill Lobstermen use close combat weapons (vibro blade, thermic lance, even thermal tazer if desperate), sonic cannons (rifles can be used, but they need several shots) or stun them with thermal shock launchers. Molecular control also works very well on them. Don't use ANY explosive weapons - they're practically invulnerable to them), gauss weapons (it takes about 15 rifle shots to kill one) or gas cannons (tried, but never managed to kill one with it).

@Laicofar:
Mostly, I agree with you, but as Acolyte pointed out there are some differences. I think X-com 2 is more like an expansion pack than a sequel. However, one very important difference is that it plays quite different. For example, X-com 1 can easily be finished only with lasers, but in X-com 2 there's no way you're going to win only with Gauss. I must say I rather like the feeling that the aliens are really superior (especially when I met a Lobsterman the first time) and the much more sinister atmosphere of X-com 2.


P.S. you DO get points for shooting down or destroying alien craft.

:w00t: I totally get crazy because the Researchsystem is *dirty word* me off because i cant develop Alienships!!!! I read on an Rushian WEbsite that there is a Bug in the game and so you cant finish Research. I have a old gamestar cd with a Patch but it doesnt work. So XCOM TFTD is from the story a way better then UFO and hopefully on one Day i will finish the Game :cry: :sniper: :wall:

If you have some Tipps for me how to Finish all the Researchor if you want a version from the Update just Email me dondaggi@yahoo.de

The famous research bug, is that sometimes the reviewer not tried to interrogue a commander!!! There it´s also another problem, some times the wanted research item just didn´t appears, so zorbite, aquaplastic, the alien city, MC, armor level 2 can fail to be loaded on the game :( . Maybe there are more research items that fail.

About, Xcom I vs Xcom II...
I found that in the second one the smoke grenade doesnt works as well than in Xcom I. The terror aliens works better in Xcom II... in Xcom I, many of them just didn´t make real damage to troopers, in Xcom II they are really dangerous at point that sometimes my soldiers carry grenades set to 0 in the bag, so if they get killed by a close combat, it will blow everything. The problem is when a wounded soldiers get stunned. Also i found that in Xcom II there is a bigger chance to capture aliens.

Let me see about the alien´s spices...

aquatoid - sectoid
floater - ?
? - gillmen
snakeman - tadosh
lobesterman - muton
tentacult - the guy like a crab
alucinoide - reaper
telebrain - ciberdisk
the dino with rockets - the robot with rockets
Calamarx - ?
? - etheral
calcinate - the fliying stomach type A
arunoide - the fliying stomach type B

i sure that near 90% of names are bad but....

so if i understand correctly, you researched everything there is to research? All aliens?? and all their artefacts? you also captured and researched live aliens of all ranks? (technician, soldier, commander...) you also researched some alien (live) life forms twice ?

For which aliens are equivalent, look at their stats. Personally I think:

Aquatoid - Sectoid
Gillman - somewhere between Floater and Snakeman in strength
Lobsterman - Muton, but much tougher
Tasoth - Ethereal, but tougher and psychically weaker

Tentaculat - Cryssalid, but can fly
Calcinite - Reaper, but smaller
Deep One - Celatid, but weaker
Xarquid - Celatid, but stronger and bigger
Triscene - Sectopod
Hallucinoid - Reaper, but can shoot
Bio-Drone - Cyberdisc, but is smaller leaves a trail of fire like a Silicoid

As you can see the Silicoids, Floaters and Snakemen have no real equivalents and there are only four major races (x-com 1 had five)

I must say that some aliens look (Floating brain witch turns your men into green goblins?) quite erratic.
Oh and btw some aliens seem to be inspired on Lovecraft books.

Is it possible for you guys to upload a Windows version of TFTD?

If you wish for widows version you may go here. But I personally prefer DOS version in emulator, because it have much better sounds. Under windows, you will do the best if you mute them. They aren't good.

The code you have to use doesnt work when your gonna download the file, there is a error about the code not being given:(

Shok launchers pwn. Area effect, and it devestates the toughest aliens in teh game.

Lobstermen survive sometimes. Nothing more frustrating than seeing one of them standing in the middle of a pulverized area.

Very sad and true.

That's why you use the shok launcher and not the blaster thingie. You can drop half a dozen with one shot then grenade them.

Interesant aproach to the problem... u are sure about one right aimed stun shot = lobstermen get stunned?

They go down enmass. I always have a veteran trooper that uses one and gets mad firing accuracy from all the area effect hits from the thing.

True, stun weapons are very effective vs. Lobstermen. However, they sometimes do survive 1 shot and you'll have to carry a lot of grenades to make sure they stay down... Still, it's the only area effect weapon that's good against them. The PWT launcher usually doesn't kill them in 1 shot. The best solutions, though are MC and Close Combat Weapons.

On a side note, early in the game the Thermal Tazer can be quite effective against them.

Tanzer are the only weapon with u can try to attack lobstermen in early game but u need to attack with many people a single alien to succes

yes usually they get stunned, unless they are commanders. but nromal soldiers get stunned quite easilly. and in attack on alien base i too use stun launcher and then throw a greande (at least untill i research that heavy drill thingy). when you got the heavy drill, you can crack them open anytime...

Hey i recently downloaded TFTD and i have a problem i run the game with VDMS or something like that and the Game crashes on Terror Missions i try to save and then load but it crashes in the same place every time when i end my first turn:(

Use dosbox then.

Gauss Cannon gets you Coelacanth Gauss. To get the Displacers (flying HWP's) you must research much more - all the sonic weapons, Ion Beam Accelerators and more (i don't recall exactly what, but there is a tech tree somewhere on the net - try Google).

I did reasearch Gauss cannon but i could only builg craft cannons (the tank didn’t show up in the manufacture menu)
Guess it’s a bug and I hawe to restart the game).

nah you can continue. eventually they migh pop up. maybe you need to research smth. else also. if not, who cares. i never used gauss vehicle anyway. it's more important that you get the floating armor and research sonic weapon as far as possible. that way you get sonic vehicle tht floats and has 100 very powerfull shots (and it doesn't need any ammo to be kept at home).

Sonic is the key not gauss. Sonic can kill lobstermen and other heavy nuisance more easilly.

Spoiler (FAQ):
http://db.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/fil...terror_deep.txt

As you can see it has atech tree and other usefull info. To get Gauss wehicle you also need to research hammerhead (it's a ship). but as i said before: better use&research sonic.

oh and dont' research Tasoth commander before you researched everything. better to use lobster or aquatoid commander anyway (both found in very large ships or in alien colonies)....

1. The tech tree is different in different versions of the game. The Gauss Coelacanth isn't available until near the end of the tech tree in the older versions, but this should be corrected in the newer ones (like the one on this site). Its cannon, while inferior to the Sonic Tank's, is much more powerful than a standard Heavy Gauss.

2. I don't think researching the Aquatoid Commander gives you anything, but this was in the older versions. DONT research the Tasoth Commander no matter what version you have. The Lobsterman Commander is the key.

3. Gauss weapons aren't exactly useless; only the Heavy Gauss is. The Rifle in particular is very effective against Gillmen and Aquatoids, as it has automatic fire mode (the sonic weapons don't). However using them vs. lobstermen or Tasoths is suicide.

The Sonic Cannon its really better than Gauss rifle. Anyway at end MC its everything

Really depends on the trooper's roll in the squad and what you are facing.

Sonic Pistol is quick to fire snap shots and allows you to use the 2nd hand for other tasks, such as using grenades or carrying a drill.

Sonic Cannon is best used from the rear in open terrian due to the very low rate of fire (you'll probably only get one shot a turn). Best used by snipers.

Gauss Rifles are your frontline assault rifles for fighting anything short of Lobstermen. Auto fire makes up for it's lower power.

Blasta Rifles are a mix of the sonic cannon and pistol. Accurate, and having the ability to realistically fire twice a round.

Gas Cannons are the most versitile guns around. You can rain highly accurate HE whoopass on 4x terror units and most lightly armoured aliens, killing them in one hit.

Yes, its true, Gauss rifle its a good option to front line and assault troopers but with experienced squads that got high accuracy and many TUs the power of a Sonic Cannon suits better.

And i loved the Gas Cannon with P ammunition to iluminate dark areas.

i used these to equip soldiers that were a liability to squad. so when they started panicking and shooting arround all they did was lit up the are and i sometimes reveal the aliens. while the shot itself doesn't do too much damage on your own squad, especially if they wear some good armours.


By the way i think you can research Ion armour quite fast and it may be a good idea as it is almoust as strong as magnetic, only i doesn't levitate.

Could anyone tell me what happened at the end of this game? I played and completed UFO, but after buying this on the first day of release got bored... Tried again about a year or 2 ago and got quite far but again got side tracked with the pressures of a new wife, kids and a new machine with XP.

You send a squad to the Yucatan impact site to assault the alien colony ship and you get blown up while destroying it.

Thanks for spoiling it...

Hm, maybe it's better to delete that post and PM the info to whoever asked for it? :)

OK just need one of you guys to tell me you've finished the copy thats downloadable from this site, I can deal with the glitches withBad Saves, dead aliens on your craft when you land, reasearch bugs etc etc etc...but BEFFORE i invest another 200 hours in the game I just wanna know that I can actually finish it this time.....been foiled 3-4 times on really good solid tries by research glitches, bad save , ^$^%&%*# Computer died last time and i was reaserching the ultimate craft too dammit,.

Ive got it installed via DOSBox and played an experimental scenario and all seems fine just tell me one of ya have finished the game posted here pleeeease

I know the feeling. After much experimentation, I have discovered that I have precisely the wrong hardware to play this game. It is too slow to emulate a 486 with dosbox, and Win98SE has a file handling problem that usually corrupts the game file (dreaded green text bug).

I did complete the game about three and a half years ago, but my 486 has lain idle for most of the time since, so I do not know if it still works. I have some other hardware that I might run it on, but my children complain when I hog their computer (I can get away with it if they have gone to bed, or they are doing something else, but TFTD needs alot of time).

what do you mean??? if you have win 98 SE you dont' need dosbox to play it. you simply make dos boot disk, boot your computer with it and start the game. it works perfectly.


@ Oldblue153

I don't know about this version, but i have some previous one, which i completed it about 3 times. it has some bugs, but nothing major. i mena i just load the previous save.

Here is how i manage my save files. if iremember correctly there are 10 of them, right?

slot 1 - saving only on planet surface
slot 2 only mission start where i put description and size of ship
slot 3-8 - save each turn when on a mission where i add a nbumber of turn to the filename and short description of events (e.g.slot 3: sees 2 being the rock t2,slot 4: behind rock killed t3...)
slot 9 - use it to save in the middle of turn. for example i already killed 2 aliens but i know there is a 3rd one (hard to kill) hiding at the next corner. so i save and then use other team member to progress.
slot 10 - use it to save at the end of each month - can be used as "backup save"

this save technique enables that all of the crew survives almoust always. my death rate is max 2 aquanauts per game - sometimes i really must sacrifice them. so basically almoust everyone from my xcom teams survives.

Oh and another thing (this one i learned from FAQ) is that it pays off to have your tema members renamed in such a way that you immediatelly know their fucntion. you frist check their poins, do a Strengs and weakness check up and then they get a letter added to their name. eg. aquanaut that is very strong should get a rocket launcher, so at the end of his name i woul dive him letter R- for example "Orski Manski R". you can also give them team insignia e.g. Orski Manski RED R

Btw the first time i played it i didnt' know how to go on special mission. so i played and played when finnaly a friend told me where i must click. by the time he told me that i had 4 bases and instead of aquanauts i had SUPERNOUTS. their skills were amazin - snap shot accuracy 160%, throwing accuracy over 180%. took out the terror sites in few mins, as they could accuratelly shoot form one side of map to the other one with snapshot or throw a greande very very far. all had over 90 MC resistance... anyway with this special team assembled only form the best of all bases i went to final mission. it all went like a swiss clock.

cheater..... :whistle:


wierd..thought they had that bug fixed before TftD came out... O.o

Wellllll Gregor....with all due respect I know how to play the game, been at it for 10 years. and theres MAJOR glitches in the game like the "Invisable Alien ...these appear on Alien Bases Very Large Dreadnaughts and possibly Alien Artifact sites ( not positive on the last) once youve saved when even 1 alien turns invisable during your turn it will happen everytime you play these types of scenario's....also the glitch comes into play on those rare occasions when you land and whats this? a dead Alien on my ship ..hahah free kill...NOT if you complete the mission and save again youve hit the invisable ALien GLitch (its Very disheartening to play a 200 turn Extra Large Mission only to see the one of the last Aliens turn invisable when you kill him and theres no body there ughhh gotta reload and do the entire mission over).

IF you place more than 255 Manufacturers or Scientists on 1 single Base BAM A new glitch end of the month you have -255 manufactueres or scientists..again to follow you for the entirety of you campaign no fix for it.

Theres the Research GLitches that prevent you from continuing the research tree if youve mistakenly researched an item out of a peticular order Armor, and Molecular control comes to mind regarding these issues.

Theres the rarely talked about glitch that if you sell off all your Sonic Pistols + Clips in the game and DONT save at least 1 to research that after the first month passess you simple dont find them anymore thus preventing you from continuing the Sonic research tree.

Thers the INFAMOUS Tsoth Commander Glitch which prevents you from getting to the last mission if you research him at ALL.

Not to Mention silly stuff like needing a Live Deep one terrorist to research Armor and you really only have 1 or 2 shots at this cause generally you get a Gillman Terror mid to late Jan and possible a second mid to late feb then you face tougher ones and these Deep Ones are very very rare after April 1st.

Ive found all these glitches the HARD way by playing and discovering them.

My Question was Regarding the program itself I'de hate to play a years game time n find out I'm missing some bloody folder on the DL that makes it impossible to finish yet once again.

And Sir ...well...Some of us don't feel that resetting after we miss a shot or our soldiers die is a realistic or fun way of approaching the game...matter of fact some of us play on Superhuman and play NO RESETS (unless one of those many many Glitches appear)

So to say ive only lost 2 men...well dude that really doesnt impress a harcore fanatic of the game hell ive lost 4 to one frikking sectiod with a pistol just this morning.

Anyone can keep thier soldiers alive by resetting over n over ...

Oh n PS just read a new Glitch for those poor poor People who own the Gold Edition Win 98 Version....It Crashes on the very very very last mission and closes the program...poor buggers

what bug is that??? anyway i only enocuntered one bug during my play. and that was that i didn't get molecular control somehow (i only had the M.C. lab). even if i researched the deep ones. oh well i didn't need it anyway...

my save technique is not cheating. it's just using save function. what you always play strategy games with no save? i am sorry but there is and was not time for that. sometimes i would play 3 turns combat mode and then do some homework and go play some more etc.

@ Oldblue153

Ehm most of those i never got (i guess i never put myself in those situations). especially invisible alien. i never got that one.

yes deep one are hard to find later in game. not alway though. once i got them back next year and i think in August same year. quite a lot of them actually and they got annoying cause they are no challenge.

but that's preety easy to avoid (you just capture them in early game stage).

in fact much of the problems you've mentioned are easy to avoid (except for the invisible alien :blink: ), so i dont' see a problem here. you know where the error might occur so you just play in a way that it doesn't. like instead of 255 people you get 200. it will still get you through as you really dont' need that new technology that much once you have sonic blasters & shock rifles. you just stun the lobster and throw a grenade and he is dead.

The bug where you could actually pass 80 TU, 120 FA, etc. It's supposed to be only in the 1.0 version of Xcom 1. IIRC you can get 160 with an editor in later versions.

I save when I leave the game, or before the game switches between the two exe files. Not every turn so I can reload until I get the outcome I want.

Are you Kidding me? thats a Direct Quote from your first post them you follow it up with

"my save technique is not cheating. it's just using save function. what you always play strategy games with no save? i am sorry but there is and was not time for that. sometimes i would play 3 turns combat mode and then do some homework and go play some more etc."

LOL uhhhhhh those are 2 entirely different usages of the save game feature both are your words dude slots 3-8 as detailed as who was killed, where the alien was etc i mean OMG why not just find an X-Com Editor and remove all thier weapons ...be about the same cept you woulnt need to waste all that time rewriting save files.

Cmon ..Honestly...who do you think you are trying to fool?

personally I don't care how you play you game long as your having fun but dude.... "Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining"

what do you mean??? if you have win 98 SE you dont' need dosbox to play it. you simply make dos boot disk, boot your computer with it and start the game. it works perfectly.


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Evidently, I forgot to mention that the first peripheral ruined by small children, after the mouse, is the floppy drive. All of my computer mice are neutered. This would not be so bad if they were optical mice at the outset. I can think of few things more useless than non-optical mice with no balls.

For those rare occassions when I must load a floppy, I have a floppy drive hidden away where small children cannot jam things into it. Slotting it into a PC requires a fair amount of work, so I cannot be bothered for anything less than restoring the files on a hard drive with no bootable partitions, or running the utilities for a brand new hard drive.

No problem! you can add the dos settings to windows DOS settings. if you know what i mean. basically what i am saying you can add the necessary dos settings to your windows configuration files, so when you start up your computer you press F8 untill a menu appears (you must do this before it starts loading windows). there you can choose the mode you wish to boot your computer in. among others there is Ms-dos prompt (i think option 5 on menu) and MS-DOS command prompt only (usually last one on menu or option 8). well as i said before you can add items to this menu - meaning you can make different settings according to your liking.

Before trying to put a new item in this menu i suggest you try the MS-DOS prompt option. maybe it will do the trick. it did for me for most games.
While command prompt is basically pure DOS (no drivers, no highmem, just pure DOS) so no boot disk (floppy at least) is required.

another option is to go to start menu in windows -> shutdown -> restart in MS DOS. this could also solve some problmes playing DOS games.

My point is that you really don't need DOSbox to play old DOS games if you have win 98. well unless you are playing a game that runs way too fast on computer, but even then you can use "moslo".


P.S.
If you really enjoy using boot disks you can make a CD boot disk.

P.P.S.
You really should assert more control on your children. :D

exactly!

Btw i dont' always write the detailed description only when i need to stop playing it for a longer time or wheni want to.

And if i want to use townportal to escape mosters, rearm, heal and retun - would hardly be cheating.

there are osme cheats for X-com available, but i really never used them. like unlimited fueld and ammo for crafts etc.

In order to prevent the Research bug regarding Molecular control you MUST have in stores at least 1 M.C. Reader BEFORE you complete research M.C Lab or the bug will prevent you from continuing.

As far as I recall the tree goes as follows... Live Terrorist>M.C.Lab>M.C.Reader>Live Tsoth>M.C.Disruptor>M.C.Generator

oh n PS this bug never got me as i generally keep 1 of everything till its reasearched....cept that 1 time with the danged Sonic Pistols.

The invisable Alein bug is akin to a bad save bug things that happen are:

1 aliens are visable while their turn is in play but as soon as thier turn ends they go invisable ( not all generally 1-2 which can still be killed via a gernade but what a pain in the behind).

2. Alien bodies dissappear immediatly upon killing the said alien ei shoot with a Heavy plasma/ Sonic Cannon the alien drops and you see no body on the ground but his equipment is there...also you do not get the bodies when the mission ends so 17 kills 3 bodies.

3 Somic Pulsars and Thermal Shock bombs turn into Disruptor Bombs ( even gives the DPL launch sound with a tossed gernade...FOR ALIENS not you)

4 Game Crashes...self explanitory.

Postnote...Molecular Control is by FAR the most Deadly weapon of the game...once reasearched and you have 4 well trained soldiers the game becomes ridiculously easy to the point you grow bored and don't complete the game cause yawn its practically impossible to lose even 1 man.... on one turn you can control up to 12 aliens (4 MC soldiers fully trained)and your men may never even get off your ship....Hell it gets to the point that you dont even have to use 1 bullet to play a scenario just MC em all...walk em all right to the front doors of your ship and have the guy in the front equip a Heavy Thermal Lance and kill everone with it

wow! still i never did have the invisible one. i did see the one where corpse dissaperas. i thought maybe it's supposed to be like that. you know, too high setting on the gun disintegrated the alien.

never crashed on me. at leats not that i can remember. i did play in dos not dosbox...

ah yes MC.. stack em all together and then one of the aliens fires disruptror. and all of them die...

Sadly, its very true. They should have reduced the MC power in the game.
THere its also bugs that stop your research like u never get the posibility of research aquaplastics even when u got them

Yeah forgot that 1...again tied into the Deep One Terrorist and the unavailabilty to see them after Apr 1 (although they still appear its VERY rare after Apr 1 you could go 6-7 Months and Still not get 1).

These peticular errors in the game are a good reason to use the reboot, although I very very rarely reboot due to lossess ( once inna while cause I'm soooo peeved that I played a scenario so poorly cause of impatience usually even then its complete from before I landed so the Aliens get a complete reset too.....heh hey im human :P).

I do admit that I manipulate my First terror mission to coincide with Gillmen not Aquamen as once you miss that window of opportunity it may never happen again, as an added bonus its one Terror mission that I don't have to deal with that annoying MC stuff.

After ive ensured its a Gillman one I play it fair n square and only reboot the Entire scenario (Again prior to Landing) if I didnt manage to get a live Deep one or the one I had got killed in an Explosion etc.

I'm not saying I'm Superhuman LOL the first time I played UFO Enemy Unknown I overused the reset like TONS of us do or did, but with time i found it unsatisfactory I'm telling you guys who do it..try the first Terror Mission without doing it...you can still make it without losing one single man you should have semi-decent weapons Gauss Rifles and Sonic Pulsars and of course 1 Tazer for the live Deep one are possible to have researched and manufatured.

Its an Entirely different Game without resetting and you reallly really have to plan your moves carefully some terrors have taken me upwards of 400 turns to play BUT OMG the satisfatction of hearing that last scream will have you throwing your arms in the air and yelling YEAHHHHH!!!!!

PS Ive always thought that armor shoulda been tied in with Lobstermen, the very first time I encountered one of these buggers i had a heck of a time killing him via shooting AND many gernades he dropped i grabbed him up ran back to my ship and aborted knowing ide never survive with the weaponry I had...I was Very dissappointed that the research told me what I already knew...they were thickskinned and tough to kill...gee thanks.

Admittedly off topic, but I should not just let this comment be. All children are different, even if (or especially if) they are siblings. Parents often forget this. So after having two well behaved two year olds in succession (well behaved being confined to "two year olds who do not jam things into the orifices of consumer electronic goods"), the third two year old came as a rude shock.

Two year olds resemble terrorists for the simple reason that they only have to be lucky, once, to accomplish their mischevious goal, but parents must stop them each and every time to prevent it. For the most part, I will consider parenting a success if I can laugh at my granchildren doing the exact same things to their parents (unfortunately, this will be a long, long wait), and I have reconciled myself to not having any nice things that I cannot store at, or above, shoulder height.

Q: Why are children so cute?
A: So parents do not kill them.

That joke divides all people into two groups: those that find it offensive, and parents.

Bahh! I am reluctant to reload unless something REALLY BAD happens. Anything that gets more than half of the troopers back to the transport is not that bad. REALLY BAD is exitting the craft, only to be greeted by four Xarquids in good firing positions. REALLY BAD is taking heavy casualties to kill the first four of nine aquatoids, only to discover that the other five are still in the light cruiser, which can only be entered through the front door. REALLY BAD is losing all of your squad responding to a terror site.

If TFTD was not so much more of a challenge than Enemy Unknown, I would still only be saving once a session (when I stop). That got me into severe trouble when I forgot to equip the troops with armor on the way to Cydonia (casualties were a tad heavy, but it was Enemey Unknown, so the error was survivable).

Heh Heh rbell when my boy was 2 he discovered that bolonga slices fit perfectly inna a CD Tray :)

Anothers bigs mistakes that autorize Save/load without be a cheater: normal mouse click fail or when an aquanaut is too near to a micndcontroled aquanaut and by mistake u shot the one who is fine.

why so many turns? i mena all you do is reserve time units and move very slow. you can kill them all on terrosite without them killing one of your aquanout. you probably noticed but i'll say it anyway... alines always appear on more or less same places (especially terror on ships - they like to be in kitchen or elevators) so i often blast areas where they usually are at random with grenades. and behold! dead aliens without aiming. ha, ha, ha!!!!

second thing, if i am not mistaking, lobster research tells you that their lower armor is not as tough, so they should be more prone to grenades. is that true? sometimes two grenades are not enough.

Anyway i had same problem as you did only suprisingly with tasoth. when i first saw they made a colony. i didn't know back then that there is an approximate limit for number of aliens. and it was my first colony and first time i saw MC. i was shocked and stunned. then i saw tasoth (didn't see lobster yet).

i shot him with coacelanth aquajet missiles. he is still standing...
i shot him wiht gas cannon, still standing...
then i decided to bring in the heavy weapons. the guy shot him with heavy gauss (just ended research on it and was it's first try). but he was still standing.

i though this is one tough MF, i waited another turn one of aquanouts panicked which made me panic as well. cause i never seen this before. so i shoot with torpedo rauncher, it misses him and explodes next to him. still standing there... so i throw sonic pulsar at the tassoth and finnaly he dies. go pick up his body, run back to ship and reaserch. but unfortunatelly i dint' know how to play the game back then, so didnt' have enough scientists in base, didnt' know i can target terror sites... game ended by the end of april.


A tip on how to get deep one later - when you see a gillman or aquatoid large ship and you suspect they will try to make a terror site (usually at beginning of month) you let them pass, so they make it. at the terror site with these two races there is a bit bigger chance you might get the deep one pissing his black liquid on other people.

Why so many turns? as i said try it without resetting ....try a nightime terrorist without resetting it once ( Gee Lucky you they NEVER land at night when you play)n see how many turns it takes you to keep your men alive.

Its not at all like the reset everytime someone dies mode you cant simply run everyone out the door all nicely spread out and then end turn and go oops ok reset and try it different...often you will run for the nearest cover...bringing out 1-2 men.

They might even see an Alien but because of poor positioning they may decide that Gee if I shoot this guy and miss he's looking right at me he'll shoot back n i'm dead meat (I know YOUR soldiers NEVER miss a shot and the Aliens ALWAYS drop when hit) so you have to find a position for another shooter to get him that could take 10-12 turns to bring another guy safely to a point where he could shoot him and so on.
then of course when he's dead the location of the Flare you threw out is really way out in the open and going to get it to throw again will leave you wide open ...so bring another guy out run him along the same safe route with his flare....throw it......

AS I said the games an ENTIRELY different game without using the reset and until you've actually tried it you will NEVER understand how different.

Walking around and playing shoot the Aliens isnt the same as playing the game at all.

And I dont care how many times you tell me you have Homework to do ..YOU RESET to keep soldiers alive and reset at every single missed shot or dead soldier

2 dead in a whole campaign hahahahahahahah yeah and you only reset when ya had stuff to do ...which coincidentally happens when you miss a shot or get killed and you forget to save after that bad shot or killed soldier ...oops oh well guess i'll have to load from the last save.

Incidentally my 400+ mission goes as follows for equptment and soldeirs
Date Jan 17 (app mebbe 18 mebbe 16 ...mid Jan)
Experience 2 missions Jan 1rst very small + small amd 1 mission jan 5 small
soldiers 14
weapons Heavy Cannons plus 1 extra clip each=42
Gernades 2 each Manga Blast Gernades =28
extra equiptment 1 Tazer 1 Magna pack Explosive 8 flares=10
total Equiptment 80\80.

Lossess ...although ide like to say none it wasnt I lost 1-2 I cant remember.

Why not better weapons or gernades...simply cause they hadnt been reasearched yet....lemme guess you save before you assign research and reset if its "unknown" rather than average or good

400 turns isn´t that much is u are playing without. I play without reset but i still do it when i make mistakes like fail with mouse, etc. Its very different, u will know what means HEAVY losses. for each Triton u will got like 20 people + refill at end of each mission. Anyway if he take 400 turns, it was a large map and terror site or colony or systonium network or maybe a hard fight in a big ship. U must know that the tactic game goes top without reseting(try it!). To fail a shot in a high level difficult will turns in a countershot and a dead guy. Also u will take option of save Tus for snap or auto shot in their tuen. U will use a lot more of grenades and other stuff. Anyway u can make many missions without losses in no reset mode, easy missions. The difficult of the mission is given by the opposition number and the class of aliens.

Exactly Liao...thank you.

Ha! Yesterday i played without save - large ship.

11 aliens (aquatoids) using molecular control. finished it in 15 turns.

Equipment:

Heavy sonic all
Medikit 3
2 PWT launchers
sonic cannon vehicle
all had floating armour
all had sonic grenades

2 soldiers got wounded one got under MC, but i waited untill he snapped out of it, killedthe last aliens so no one went missing in action.

One spots the alien, the other one launches pwt, or throws a grenade. others move with units reserved for snapshot. except for the most accurate aquanauts who move using units reserved for aimed shot

Yes you are correct i almost never have night terror site. i simply send triton dnear it and then wait untill daylight comes to it and only then the crew get's out to have some fun...

Good for you...glad you tried it, now select new game and save in slots 8-9 (so as not to disturb your present game much) and try it with untrained unarmored underequipped soldiers, oh and on a high difficulty level like 4 Genius or 5 Superhuman (5 is very tough,if you want to see how tough advance to the first terror mission on both levels (start new game click 1 day will take a few seconds dont bother equiping buying researching etc you just wanna see something) ..dont even play it...just go to the site and end turn ...on level 4 you will hear the aliens shoot and kill a couple civilians mebbe toss a gernade even hear some missed shots, on level 5 you will hear a succesion of 4-6 shots immediatly followed by a scream of a civilian dying...they dont miss often, honestly just try that its actually quite funny to hear its like OMG!!!.... its a very good way to quickly gauge the difference between the 2 settings )
Ok you say mebbe cause of positioning then save before you land and land a couple times at each site to see....it doesnt change on level 5 they kill 4-6 immediatly with one shot each..and not bang auuugh wai waitwait..no its bang-aaaaa-bang-aaaa-bangf-aaa 6 dead with 2-3 seconds.

Yesterday I played it on an Island ( lukky landing there i like the Island ones) there was 7 civvies, I let Aliens take the first turn as it increases the chances of them usuing up thier tv's and not having opportunity fire on me when exiting my craft..result 6 of the 7 civvies dead.
I played it out losing a couple guys to a gernade but the most insulting part of the whole mission was...i couldnt find the last alien on an island....sigh i searched everywhere except 1 place....in one of the tunnels beneath the island, it was blocked by the last civilian...yup he was hiding the last alien...i tried knocking him out with the tazer but it killed him sigh....and there was the Deep One hiding behind him

For those players who are having problems with MC, Scotts X-Com utilities version 9.6 works somewhat with this version of TFTD I tried experimenting with it and found that the features that can be used are:

Diff Base Setup-optional
Modified Triton and Barracuda-no option
Gauss Weapons Do not require Clips- no option
Very Small and Small Alien Craft have been reversed so a very small has 1 room and the small has the three rooms- no option
Initial Tanks have improved armor-optional
NO MC- optional

PS there is a Patch Available to Reverse the Modified Gauss and Ship configurations
Only bug I found was that the Very small is not there at all when either landed or shot down just the alien but it seems a very trivial thing as you really only go to 1-2 very small missions in a game as they are usually destroyed with even the lightest of weaponry
Theres many other features that are offered but unfortunatly they are not compatable with this version....just thought it might be helpful to the people who simply cannot stand MC to the point they dont like to play the game.

I still do not get why so many turns. I only got to even 99, only once (it went for another hundred), but that was looking for the last alien in a base defence of a large base. I eventually found the alien on the second level of a living quarters section.

Of course, the reason it never takes me nearly 400 turns to clear a night terror mission is that killing the last alien scores enough points and equipment to compensate for any number of losses that still allow for completion of mission. I just recruit another eight aquanauts and hope the next terror mission is after they show up.

To keep with the spirit of the game, I will respond to the disaster by running the survivors back to the transport and clicking the abort button. Sometimes, if I have saved at the start, I might reload and then abort. My problem with reloading is a personal one: you cannot reload during a tactical mission, so you have to abort the mission, select options, and then select "load saved game". I feel that this takes too long, so I seldom bother.

I find that with aquatoids, you may as well take the shot, as trying to return to cover is almost as likely to draw his fire as missing him. I cannot imagine taking 10-12 turns to get into a firing position. Usually, I employ grenades to attack aliens that are hard to shoot. Skulking around to get a better shot might take three or four turns


The funny thing is I have this situation backwards. I do not understand why people reload after every single casualty.

Again on why so many turns.... Inexperienced soldiers;( 8 with 3 missions 6 with 0 missions) armed with heavy cannon an extra clip and two Magna Blast Gernades may have thier movements impeded to the point that he/she has as low as 36-40 tv's...this means of course you must drop some items in order to progress far enough to even say youve moved 6 tiles. Heavy Cannons are about the best combat weapons in the early missions as they are fairly accurate and MOST the time will kill a aquatiod in one shot or a gillman in 1 or 2.

If you are at all Familiar with the Heavy Cannon then you know that it has a capacity of 8 rounds and options for Aimed or Snap shot...taking these factors into consideration its apparent that Aimed is the better option as wasting shots is NOT an option. Still you will Inevitably have some soldiers empty thier clips leaving them useless and they must either get a clip from someone else or return to the ship or the point they dropped it for another.

As for just gernading them ...once gain these are not ALIEN Gernades they are MAGNA blast gernades which must land exactly on the feet of a gillman often 2 gernades to kill him... for Aquatiods if it lands as far as 2-3 tiles away odds are it will survive.

I reasearch as quickly as possible in this order -Gauss tech >Gauss Pistol >Gauss Rifle >Gauss Rifle clip >ALien Gernade.
If by chance I got Unknown (more often than not) on everything it can take almost the full month to research them. so its the ultra-poor startup weapons if the Terror comes Early.

An alien who has not died but gone unconscious is good fodder for a weak soldier who desperatly needs to boost his stats by getting a kill or two so often i will run this shmoe over to the body and stand on it till it revives so i can shoot it with the said rookie and get those desperately needede experience points(more points for a kill than a knockout and of course the added bonus of the 20 grand for the body is needed in that first few weeks badly).

Sure i can finish in 15 turns too just like Gregor ..without resetting too ...ARMED WITH THE WEAPONRY HE HAD AND WITH SOLDIERS WHO's SKILLS ARE MAXED

gass cannon with HE ammo is the best weapon in the beginning.

and Gauss technology is not worth researching

I disagree - your poor, inexperienced seamen will blow one another up. You must have good firing accuracy to use it safely. Also, no firing accuracy will save you in a confined area - like in terror missions or inside alien subs.

Forgive my interpretation of the name ...Heavy cannon is Gas cannon ( played Enemy Unknown so much i still mix the names between the two games or make a hybrid name ei calling an Aquatiod Aquatiod is difficult...look like damn Sectiods to me or for Deep one...he's a Spitter)
As for the Ammo I must disagree with HE (65 power)over AP (60 power)simply cause of the lossess in close combat ( at the doors of the craft for example or when shooting off your own ship and you either...ughh plug another guy in the back or hit the wall...with AP its a lost man or missed shot with HE it could spell disaster.

As for Gauss being useless well yes it is ...However..initially its fast to research and the Rifles are quite effective against both Aquatiods and Gillmen and even Deep Ones... Calcinites often take 2-3 shots..factoring in the 0 resource (elerium/??TFTD) to produce it and it being the highest return in the old manufature/sell dept you MUST research it (94 tekkies can manufature 8 gauss cannons a day netting 29,000 profit each for app 232,000 a day or almost 7 million a month.
If i remember correctly the second highest is Motion scanners netting about 3.5 mill a month and gauss rifles come in third around 3 mill...so two of your top 3 cash items are on the gauss tech tree...hardly wasted research time.

I do Agree that after you start hitting Lobstermen and Tsoths that its run its course for effectivness but generally youve got time to research the plasma/sonic stuff before then.

I like Gauss rifle, i like the auto shot that none of the sonic weapons offers.

Forgive my interpretation of the name ...Heavy cannon is Gas cannon ( played Enemy Unknown so much i still mix the names between the two games or make a hybrid name ei calling an Aquatiod Aquatiod is difficult...look like damn Sectiods to me or for Deep one...he's a Spitter)
As for the Ammo I must disagree with HE (65 power)over AP (60 power)simply cause of the lossess in close combat ( at the doors of the craft for example or when shooting off your own ship and you either...ughh plug another guy in the back or hit the wall...with AP its a lost man or missed shot with HE it could spell disaster.

As for Gauss being useless well yes it is ...However..initially its fast to research and the Rifles are quite effective against both Aquatiods and Gillmen and even Deep Ones... Calcinites often take 2-3 shots..factoring in the 0 resource (elerium/??TFTD) to produce it and it being the highest return in the old manufature/sell dept you MUST research it (94 tekkies can manufature 8 gauss cannons a day netting 29,000 profit each for app 232,000 a day or almost 7 million a month.
If i remember correctly the second highest is Motion scanners netting about 3.5 mill a month and gauss rifles come in third around 3 mill...so two of your top 3 cash items are on the gauss tech tree...hardly wasted research time.

I do Agree that after you start hitting Lobstermen and Tsoths that its run its course for effectivness but generally youve got time to research the plasma/sonic stuff before then. [/b][/quote]
well, of course HE will not work in closed spaces, but in open ones it's good because accuracy is less relevant (you don't have to hit the alien, just hit the wall next to him)

as for profitabilaty of gauss, i really can't remember, but there is guide out there that has a table of profits for specific equipment you can make. Yes they don't need zrbite, like sonic, nut you can steal a lot of equipment from aliens.

I still do not get it, but then, I admit that I am a hopeless money cheater and my style of play has different problems/solutions.

Instead of fourteen troopers, my tritons have ten troopers and ceolacanth/gas cannon. Unlike my troopers, the SWS will actually endure two or three sonic hits (depending on the source). It gets expensive to replace them, but I balance cheating on how much money I am given by only playing at the superhuman level. Tritons are lost with all hands, tritons return with only a few wounded, and bases are lost. On tactical missions, often the only indication of a nearby alien is a screaming datum, or blasted corpse(s). Terror missions, even the first one still take less than fifty turns. The nice thing about terror missions is that some of the screaming datums are not your troopers. My only real fear is getting a terror mission before the first run of purchases show up, or either a terror mission or base attack within 72 hours of a high-casualty operation.

There is one alien sub that, at the superhuman level, has four or five aliens walking around outside it with PWT launchers. Now that is a tough nut to crack.

Once I get a useful armor, I can replace the SWS with more troopers, but this is only until I get the dispacer SWS.

I am not saying that you are a bad player, just that I cannot imagine spending 400 turns on a terror mission. I spent less time on T'Leth. The final mission of TFTD has three stages, but you can only save during the first two of these three stages (I ended up switching off my monitor and leaving it for thirty hours, but you can do that with an old 486 running DOS).

You can always swap the different clips in and out of those things though. Takes about 25 TUs and since the guys carrying gas cannons are usually a fair distance from the enemy, 1/2 a turn is meaningless most of the time.

Wow only an Unlimited supply of tanks and funds, yeah i can see why you don't understand.

True enough Cockroach..cant argue with that, heck cause I use 14 men rather than expensive useless tanks i could even have the boys on the back armed with them ...just a creature of habit I suppose...I like the AP so I use it :),

On a lighter note I keep running out of Female Agents,.....possibly cause I rename them to my Ex-Wifes name and use them in Extremely Dangerous situations or as front line scouts , when she dies i rename the next 1....Karen # 23 is doing well having survived 4 missions now :P

The supply is not unlimited. It is just limited differently. The seventy-two hours spent waiting for reinforcements still gives me a window to lose (as I recently found out in a game of Enemy Unknown, where I lost the main base, in January, so no research for a month and precious little for the next three. It is really hard to fight the aliens during the weeks that you have neither craft nor radars. I abandoned that game.). I suppose that it is also too strong to say that I am a hopeless money cheater. I just play at a lower difficulty when I allow myself to have money troubles. Even on games where loss of a SWS threatens to bankrupt me, I still don't save that often. When I cannot afford to lose troopers, I accept bad mission ratings and get the heck out of Dodge.


I use the money cheat for the simple reason that I am affronted by the situation of being forced to save humanity on a shoestring, and unlimited funding does not make it that much easier. Reloading is a different kettle of fish.

Even before I discovered the money cheat, I still neither reloaded nor spent more than 50 turns at a terror site.

Get spare soldiers waiting in the bases and a SWS is money/space eater, they aren't so important, maybe in a fully trained squad is better SWS as explorer than an experienced xcom but rookie is cheaper that the SWS, normal weapons are better that SWS and 4 rookies means more shots that a single SWS.

To improve your playing style, build some bases as listening post. A main base must got between 8-10 long range sonar. No intecept very big aliens ships with barracudas. If a man spot an alien, try to shot him with others xcoms from safer or unsppoted hex no use the sppoter for fire if u can. If the mission goes too bad, abort it, save the Triton and experinced suviviors. Research is the key in a long term conflict. If aliens discover one of your bases will attack it frequently, so abandon that base or defend it quickly.
See ya

I can't get the game to work.
I have all sound turned off on it.
Clicking on it basic from windows gets me nought- it says no music, no sound then a never ending list of 'cannot find file'
From dosbox I get the initial no music, no sound then nothing.

I think that this games need to be inside C:/Mps folder to works.

I know this is cheating , but have you guys tried a memory editor in X-com 1&2.
With artmoney (Artmoney main site) you can edit your money , movement ... But with X-com 2 it exits the game????



edit: address removed ...

Ahaa.... Nice spam, Axe.

I prefer the CWE editor, which edits savegame files. It will edit bases, base stores, aliens in containment, money, funding, craft, and soldiers.

BTW, the download now seems to be the dos cd with the animations (or it seems to be the size of the cd zipped into a file).

Word.
That one totally owns.

Hello fellow X-Commers

I had a real nostalgic trip when I discovered this site, and for the past few days I have been overjoyed to play UFO: enemy Unknown and X-Com: Terror from the Deep.

However, I have some trouble with the sound on Terror. No matter how many times I have configured the sound, I get the message: "No music, no sound effects" when I enter the game. When I configure it, I get the message: "Error writing sound config file. Null pointer assignment."

I downloaded the game from this site, and I am running it on a DOS-box. Can anyone help me? The music is part of the x-com experience, so it's no fun playing without.

Never mind, I figured out of it! The problem was simply that the files in my terror-folder was set to read-only. By removing this, my sound worked fine. Thanks anyway for those who were about to help!

:D LOL :roflol:
I think that some problems only can be resolved by oneself, and u must know that if someone in forums got the solution will answer u in little time or never.

OK i can get along without good hwp or watewer they are called in tftd but i cant go the whole game without better armour coz plastic sUX hard.
How can i get ion or magnetic armor.

Does anybody knows any good mods for X-COM 1 & 2 (witch dont need xcomutil)
Ive seen some that changes plasma weapons into proton guns (fancy).
And a cute mod that changes laser rifle into a slightly more powerful and better looking HELIX rifle, smoke nade in an immensly powerful mamoth nade and blaster launcher into crusch launcher with more powerful shots but has no guidance.
weapons 16 it was or so.

To get Magnetic Ion Armor you must research (if I remember correctly)
Deep One Corpse
Aqua Plastics
Aqua Plastic Armor
Ion Beam Accelerator
LIVE DEEP ONE (probably what you've missed)
Ion Armor
Lobster Man Navigator **
Magnetic Navigation
Magnetic Ion Armor

** note some versions don't require the Lobsterman Navigator to research Magnetic Navigation

Ive caught LOTS of navigators.Well maybe there werent lobstermen.
I have a Deep one terrorist and he gave me psi lab insted.

I believe it has to be lobster man.
did you explore dead deep one (corpse)? Also explore another deep one.


Also there are a few good walkthrough available on net where oyu can get the full tech tree.

If armour's what you want, you need to get deep ones, and they need to be dead.

All u need its love :whistle:

No, but all you need its MC

If he has Aqua-Plastic-Armor already as stated then he already has researched a Deep One corpse.

I donno Dude only other thing I can think of is that the bloody game is buggy and mebbe its one of those many things that if are researched out of a peticular order you lose the capability of further research (like the Mind probe thing you must have one in stock when a certain reasearch project is completed or you never get the chance to do it again same with Sonic Technology if you sell off all the Sonic pistols and clips and dont save at least 1 to research well you could run into trouble by the third month or so as they never seem to appear on any scenario's after that)

In any case good luck :)

Indeed, the game is amazingly buggy. For example, if you research a Tasoth Commander then you can't ever research the Leviation, although you can research the one which opens up the final mission.

Which means that you can never win :(

Although I've not tried any of these myself you may want to as a last resort give this a shot but I recommend you make a backup of your entire gamefile before trying out any program

http://paralight.ru/xcom/

I posted a hack several pages ago which allow you to get any tech you wish.

I don't want to repost it because it's an obvious cheat unless you use it to actually "debug" your game. So if you want it you'll have to search for it. All the info are there somewhere. ;)

Yeah as I said I havent tried it as I've pretty much found all the glitches in the game and research in a good order that allows me to get everything.

MIND YOU IF the "cheat" had been available for one of my many failed attempts because of research probs i surely woulda :P

Hey guys i found a neat trick involving proxy nades.
Aliens stop moving if you place one before him and one behind him like this

...............n.....................
...............A....................
...............n....................

A-alien
n-proxy nade.

It also works if the alien is standing next to a wall.

_______________________
...............A.......................
...............n.......................

As i sed aliens dont move so close range ufos are harmles.
Tested on a deep one bastard.

Ive caught my deep one in the funniest way possible. He was immobilized with proxy nades, my rooke with a tazer came to shock him (carefuly coz a deep one can shoot about 5 spases) he was two spaces away when a thelmal shock launcher bomp exploaded between them rendering them both unconcious.
a quick stum raid of the building in witch the shocker alien were hiding resoulted in a quich stun (everyone in the room including the alien) ended the mission.

Bout ion armour reasearching posts ive caught a lobsterguy navigator and he gave me nothing. Some aliens are unreasearchable twice.

I gave you a Linc that would fix you right up 2-3 days ago read the replies on Feb 13th again.

Since then Ive tested it too and it will fix you right up I was able to start a brand new game and have anything i wanted or everything or any combination of research items available. I also tried it on a current game and again it worked just fine.

Ok all is oll right now and i have the armor thanks. :bye:

You're Welcome

Have Fun :)

Ugh. This game runs really slow with dosbox (even on high cycles) and slow and jerky with VDMS.

Lower the cycles and it might run better, or better yet, use the Windows icon to play it with.

run it in win, the speed is a flash nut its tuen based

I mean, I'm using dosbox on just enough cycles to make it playable. proper windows is too slow with no sound.

Hmm I have the sound problem as well. It goes on about a write protection that has to be removed, when i try the sound setup through dosbox. I have VIA AC'97 Audio (Wave) on a laptop . Any suggestions?

Hi guys

apologies if this has already been answered somewhere, but I can't get this bloody game running smoothly in XP at all, I've tried Dosbox, VDMS, swearing at the computer etc... it's always REALLY choppy.

Any ideas, suggestions etc would be welcome

Cheers

MG

Help! I try to run this game in dosbox and what ever the sound configuration; when i load it it just freezes! I love Xcom Please help. This also happened with another game called Bratrayal at Krondor. It just lodas and freezes. Im going to try no sound config now.

Sorry can't help. :whistle:

Only that yes this game is uncomprehensibly buggy. And not only that, it's the same game that the original UFO, only with other resources, mainly graphics, but it takes around seven times as much hard drive space! And yes it's choppy while the original UFO was smooth and yes the graphics are very poorly drawn compared to the original UFO. I personally think that the developers really put their feet in this game. :not_ok:

By the way, I manage to run it under DOS 6.22 (real not emulated).

If Dosbox doesn't work, try VDM Sound, thats usually pretty good

Has anybody got any bright ideas as to how I can get this onto my old 486 ?

(I assume your 486 uses Windows, but it's too slow for DOSBox? How can you run Windows in a 486? You must have expanded its RAM, haven't you?)

I don't know if it's bright, but you could use my solution. I installed good old DOS 6.22 in a partition of the hard drive, and I can boot either in Windows (normally) or in DOS (real DOS not "DOS mode" or anything, for playing old games). Then it's not *as if* you were running such game under DOS, it's that you *are* running such game under DOS.

What peripherals does your 486 have?

If it has a cd-rom, you download it and burn it to a CD. If not, you will need to download a floppy version (zipped onto four 1.4 meg 3.5" floppies) and copy it over. If you are technically inclined, mount the 486's hard drive into your internet box and copy the files directly.

I welcome you to open a thread in the Troubleshooting section if you really encounter trouble... But if you have such general questions as the one quoted above, all I'm going to say back is general answers such as:

type "TFTD" and the program should start. :bleh:

As mentioned above, TFTD is meant to be played on a DOS machine. I can't possibly think of problems you can encounter other than the normal old DOS problems. And those aren't "normal" prlblems.