http://www.piratpartiet.se/

Plan to go on election and anihilate the international law on copyright in Sweeden.

Can that be done? How would it be like without the too long copyrights law? We could watch 20 years old movies for free (eee i ment legaly).

It's true.
Been a little talk about this in sweden, but that they actualy would get any major numbers in the next election is pretty inprobable.
Anyway, they are quite extreame and want ALL copyrights removed, from everything. They say they belive in freedom of information.

We'll see. They have to get atleast 4% of the votes to get in, and if they do, noone HAVE to listen to them anyway.

Hmm... Sounds promising. If more parties like that appeare, maybe something will happen. I can't say I really support them (there would be many problems connected with this), but finally a political party has arisen, that focuses its concern on the web (so the politics have moved into a new field - the world of virtuality).

I don't know what's so "promising" about new parties arising to take care of problems of the "virtual world" when we don't even get REAL WORLD problems solved yet.

But I guess it's a sign that things are by far not worse "enough" yet if there are indeed people who see these things as the most pressing issues in the world today...

i like p2p but no way would i waste my vote voting for a party that legalises it. legalise cannabis party cool, as the tax revenue raised on ganja could completely revitalise public services, legalise p2p. i doubt anyone would be able to tax it, therefore rendering its contribution to society meaningless.

getting rid of copyright would be a terrable thing!
no innovations would be made, everyone would steal ideas..
nono i like copyright

I agree with you. I'm not suporting their idea of removing copyright. But I do believe that paying more attention to the computerized world is a good thing in politics. I don't know how it is where you live, but over here one of the biggest political focus subjects is still what you did during the WW2 and what do you think of the Sunday mass. So focusing on the things that are sooner or later become the main focus of the society (the web) is a step in the right direction (although this party started off at the wrong foot).

you have to understand the swedish mentality and political debate on this issue, to understand why this party was formed.

There are the Anti-Piracy-agency, who track down filesharers and file complains against them, on behalf of the industry.. nothing special about that... but THEN.. we have the piracy-agency, who file complains against the anit-priracy-organication for illigal use of tracking, integrety and every other way they can, and belive it or not, they DID put the tracking to a full halt after they won a major case against the anti-piracy-lobby.
The piracy-lobby is quite strong, and swedish laws gives some slack to it.
We'r allowed to take copies for personal use AND copy a music CD for close friends and rellatives... So that's basicly how the origin of the "problem" stands now.

Theire goal is ofc to get seats in the parlament, but more realisticly, it's to get the debate going, and get the major parties to discuss this and listen to the public.

Removing Copyright is like disabling the security system in your home, dismantling the fire detector in your kitchen, not getting car insurance in an area of high accidents, though these all relate to actual danger, it's also a stupid practice... Someone steals stuff from you, fire damages your home, you lose your car. And with removing Copyright, you lose your hard work.

Sure... Copyright sometimes goes too far, and limits the creativity of people. But in the sameway it helps protect your work. Don't you hate when someone else steals your creation? It really bothers people. And thats what Copyright does.

Now I am all for toning down Copyright, but completely removing it has no bearing on anything useful, except a quick fix to get everything free. Without Copyright... Media creators will just refuse to make anything. Whats the point if theres no revenue involved. When it comes down to it... It's all about money. The money the creators want, and the money some folks don't have or don't want to give.

It's a cause and effect argument. I personally don't like this idea.

its pretty cool that they managed to get the use of tracking spyware made illigal though. good on yas swedish :ok:

well franky, i wouldn't want the copyright to be removed either, yet i see nothing wrong if i copy a CD for my brother. Yes it's liek stealing, but still... if you dont' do it then why develope such technologies. Then again maybe by doing this you also share knowledge on the CD.

Just think of how odd it is when you have an old Spectrum game (they odnt' even make the maschines anymore) and the only way ot get the game is to copy it, donwload it form net. But that's illegal! cause they have 50 or is it 80 years of copyrights. so i should wait untill i am laying on my deathbed so that finnaly i can download (legaly) the spectrum game i want to replay? i dont' think so. copyright is good, but not like this. Imagine if the guy who invented the wheel held international copyrights and that they could be extended!
Or imagine that you don't have any generic drugs (which are legal, but cheaper), but original is too expencive to afford. Why should one keep all his knowledge to himself and then die with it?

Also libraries come into mind.... Cheap yearly rent and you can get all the book you want. this is simply not the case with computer porgrammes or movies. why not???

Many questions could be discussed with this so called "piracy".

hmm i thaught it was legal too share in sweden .... link removed they follow swedish law so no one can close down their forum!

No linking to legally dubious torrent sites - Havell

Actualy, THEY don't do anything illigal, but the users do.
They are affiliated with the piracy-oranication/lobby here.

They do have the law on theire side, as they don't actualy host anything but tiny text-files that aren't themselves copyrighted.

The actualy file-sharing is still illigal, both to share and retrive.. and store... and use ofc.

Well obvioulsy every form of p2p(except Napster :() has survived through these "holes" in the legal system...

In Sweden the people got many free time and good living standars.

Anyway, P2P network sharing will continue no matter what the swedish law said. In any country if u are procecuted by support P2P sharing, illegaly tracking systems are no allowed as prouf for a judge(maybe yes if law can be buyed like Argentina or if law is doctrinal law like Israel). The copyright in music isn´t so important, new artist look it like the way to become massive even when loosing millons in cd, they could get it back in live shows. The music industry is more like be for Copyright protection lobby, not musics. The Copyright system should be removed in medicinal areas by sure, maybe still not in other areas.

I don´t think that, right now everyone would steal ideas to get the copyright income from them. Without copyright, the innovations won´t be stoped, maybe private research will be reduced but private research means research at service of money. Public research will ocuppy most of researchers and will be not market manipulation