Baldur's gate 2 and yoga
 

We are here again.:hihihi:

Info?

Sure.

No expansion. Sry.

My leader is named KMONSTER.(KM)
KM - Fighter, lvl 7, AC 7, HP77
ST13,Dex13,Con15,Int17,Wis11,Cha9

Imoen - Mage/Druid, lvl8,AC3,HP57
ST9,Dex18,Con16,Int17,Wis11,Cha16

Jaheira- Fighter/Druid, lvl6,AC7,HP51
ST15,Dex17,Con17,Int10,Wis14,Cha15

Capo, I tried to rescue the famous Minsc, but he disappeared?

Hmm.. the graphics is not so bright there in the cave.

the same brave but no crazy now

I plan to play BG2 calmly without hurry. OK?
:whistling:

Let's go, then
:3:

Ah well, that's too bad. Thought about maybe playing it through together with my sorcerer, but I always play with the expansion installed, so won't be possible to play without you having installed ToB also. It's a perfect addition and finale to the game story anyway, I think.
Anyway, good luck on this one Yoga. And be VERY careful with enemy spellcasters in this game. They'll make shashlik out of your party if unprepared and not careful enough, since BG2 is a bit harder than BG1. Summoning helpful monsters before such battles helps a lot. And stay out of fights with dragons until you're level 20 or more. Honestly.

If you haven't played that much, you might consider rerolling Kmonster though.. a fighter has no use for 17 int.. 17 str would be a lot better.

Master Scatty
 

:hihihi:
shashlik

Well said.

Ha ha ha
Will follow yr advice.
:whistling:

No, I did not played much.
I am battling with some Carion, secured by sphere.
How to kill this one?

and again spell Identify playing me bad trick. It is memo in Imoen spell book but inactive when open the book.

I played all BG with damage Identify. Rats!!

Pls, let ask Master Kmonster, what he think about his hero. Hunvagy, You mean to decrease Int in favor of Str. Example?
I am sure He will answer quickly.

Hey, twillight, how are You?
No, we do not forget you.
Do You advance with 1 hero only?
I am crazy with BG, but You are mad.
ha ha ha:lol:
How do You withstand both Battle Horrors in last level of second mine?

13 STR, 13 DEX, 17 INT, 15 CON on a fighter? <.< That might work as a half-decent wizard, but like this, even multi-classed Jaheira is deadlier.

And carrion crawlers are easy picking, you just need to swarm them before your entire party gets paralyzed by them. You'll also encounter an Otyugh in the sewers, don't be afraid, just bash it 'til it stops breathing.

Also... dump Imoen and Minsc, you'll find way better companions, and neither are as annoying as the former.

You mean the Cambion? That one is easy, just click two times (but wait after each click and read the text) on that machine in the centre of the room, the mouse icon should change to a circle-like one at the right spot. After that the sphere around the demon will disappear and you can kill him.
There are no carrion crawlers in the starter dungeon of BG2 Tomekk :p

Haven't played in ages, my bad then :)

How to activate this Activation stone?

Cambion is dead.

The activation stone is for activating the golem.

Yes, I activated the golem.

The game goes on.

Having experience from BG, now is little easier.

:3:

same boring brave

You can only cast the identify spell from the inventory.
For identifying an item put it in the caster's inventory, right-click at it and if you have the spell memorized (and don't have armor equipped which blocks spellcasting) you get the option to use the spell for it.


A total stat sum of 13+13+15+17+11+9=78 is quite weak, almost every second roll is better. I recommend rerolling for at least a sum of 82, you'll have to play the whole game with the stats rolled at creation (for comparison: Imoen has a stat sum of 87, Jaheira 88, my BG fighter had 98 which I think is the highest sum you can roll). For dex and con 13 isn't better than 7, only extreme values do make a difference.
For a fighter the physical stats are the only important ones, even a lower roll than possible could be adjusted to perfect stats by shifting points from useless to useful attributes: str18,dex18,con18, int11,wis3,cha3, wisdom is useless and when exploring the circus tent you can find a ring which sets cha to 18.
The joinable NPC warriors all have far better physical stats than your character's 13-13-15, Minsc has 18-16-16 and Jaheira 15-17-17.
Low str in the beginning is bearable since you can have your party mage cast strength and buy a girdle which sets it to 19 from Ribald when you have earned enough money.
Low dex and con are worse, without the AC bonus for high dex you get hit far more often and without HP bonus you can't survive that many hits, you'll be tempted to put other party members with better AC in front and stand in the back like a coward to reduce the time you have to waste for healing. Fighters are quite weak compared to casters (who get many and powerful high level spells) in BG2:SoA, so take at least the stats you need to fight better than summons.
I don't doubt your ability to beat the game with any character, but a better balance among party members might be more fun.

If you want to be the frontliner you can take the berserker kit, the berserker rage immunities help a lot in some battles, you can still use all ranged weapons and even specialize in returning throwing axes or daggers for ranged.

When first seeing the 17 int I thought you wanted to take 9 fighter levels and switch to mage afterwards, to get both fighter hitpoints, attacks and mage spellcasting (human fighter9>mage dualclass is considered the most powerful SOA build). For this you need also at least 15 str, but with a roll of 78+ you can max str,dex,con and int easily.

Actually without expansion the final battle in BG2 is much more interresting. I really had to unload everything on the boss to reach success, it was the most awesome battle I've ever made.

Btw, I progress still in BG1, but not much, as my family stole my compuer for themselves today:sick: Anyway, I wish to try 2 areas before going to Larswood, then to the Bandit Camp. So no Battle Horrors for me yet. My "hardest enemy" accoprding to the game was a Revenant (worth 3K exp), but if you ask me those pesky ogres were much harder to best.

For you some tip to BG2:
- collect items what allows you to summon things (especially things that allows summon on daily bases instead of charges!).
- look through every spell you have! For example my favourite dragonkilling-technic is casting lots of Doom on the dragon, then a chromatic orb / finger of death => the result is one-hit-kill. Also my favourite lichkilling-technique is turning myself to a jelly, then my party shooting the lich to bits:max:
- beware of trolls. You have to hit them to 0 hp,THEN kill them with fire or acid damage, or they'll stand up!
- have a familiar in your backpack! (If your familiar dies, that's VERY bad, so do not release him. ever. Your alignment will give a sucky one anyway.)

What ? Whaaaat ?

Ok, im out.

NO, NO
 

@Capo
No, Caro Capo,
please do not out.:OK:
I began new game, following the advices of Hunvagy and Kmonster.
And... Minsc is again in my commando. Yes, he is.
Promise is promise.

@Hunvagy
TY. Nice advices which I will follow.

@Ja, Kmonster
This game is more difficult than BG1.
But I use more spells now and this fact enjoyed me much.
Ty for the detailed analys of the stats.

@twillight
You need luck, mad man!
:smile2:

Relax, mates.
The situation is under control.

Location: Out of Dungeon.
The band: Sry, my lovely Imoen is stolen and dear Khalid is dead...sob.sob
No more info about stat. I am lazy beggar.
The leader is
KMONSTER - Fighter
Jaheira - Fighter/Druid
Minsc - Ranger
Yoshimo - Bounty Hunter
Nalia - Mage/Thief
Korgan - Berserk
Task: To find Imoen

:smile2:

Btw, I read the Baldur's Gate manual yesterday, while I was installing it. And I was right, the manual states that you need at least an int of 18 ot memorize spells up to 9th level. Twilights INT of 10 was only enough for 4th level. Now I know the original BG doesn't go higher, but I did assume he'd want to import his char into BG2, and there it would have bombed.

I agree with the fighter assessment, though an STR score of 18/00 would be more desired ;) What I don't agree with is that wisdom is not necessary. Wisdom modifiers give modifiers to spell saves against mind affecting spells (also stated in said manual), which given the abundance enemy spellcasters throw around charms and holds is not to be belittled.

Yoga philosophy will save the planet
 

Sure.:whistling:
Anyway not all of gamers of BG saga are so experienced as you and all around in AB are, so let be no so big experts.
..Grab the axe, ride a horse and forward to smash the next bad.
Ha ha ha

I know that You, Masters Kmonster and Scatty are able to write down a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig analysis of BG saga conc. spells, magics, stats and like of many pages.
But this is a game only and the brave is not so serious as he was years ago when he spoke before examinators for the Enthalpy and the theorem of Clausewitz.
:hihihi:
I am 7 years in AB to Enjoy ONLY.
(I am here from 2005, not 2006. Mistake in AB archives. I remember even Kosta and had correspondence with that man. Never mind.)

yoga the lazy beggar
in this hot sunny day
(under the air conditioner)
:lol:

You know, if a game has a 150+ page manual, people tend to read it, because it might be relevant for the game in question? Just ask TK, he hated Baldur's Gate, because he had absolutely no idea of the AD&D rules. Same with the old gold box games, if you don't know how to play, you'll be run over. But hey, enjoy.

The BG2 manual isn't always right. Many things stated there were never implemented or are just wrong. In the game mages can learn and cast level 9 spells even with only 9 int and wisdom doesn't affect saves at all, so playing a character with only 3 wisdom is no problem.

My first problem:
I am in Docks District. Approaching Shadow Thieves Guild I met a crazy wizard and eliminated this one.
Nice.
Then I opened with a key secret door Northeast of door of the guild. I entered Cellar room.
OK.
But I can Not find another secret passage in the northeast wall. and meet some Aran Linvail.
Where is my fail, mates?

Kmonster, instead of all attempts this spell Identify still does not work. In every positions when I click with right mouse button, it answered DONE. No Write spell or function. I think it is a bug. Same in BG. Ty
My KMONSTER has Str 18.
:smile2:

With whom did you try to use it? Your fighter can't use scrolls. Imoen is the only one who can use mage scrolls from the party you described.

Have your thieves search for traps, it will increase the chance to find secret doors.


You can see how the identify spell works here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ciNRZdjJtM

In vain.
Am I in the wrong place?

Nalia is searching for the secret passage

Actually not. IF you go for a natural strenght (aka. high without item), then take 18 ONLY! Then when you get a +1 STR bonus you'll skip all 18/XX stats, and imediatelly jump to 19!

Yes, a 150 pages manual is at least a hint that you should look up some infos, but I always voted on walkthroughs:ph34r:

You are at wrong place indeed. You went into a simple house, instead of the Tieves Guild:hello:

You're confusing BG2 with Planescape:Torment where you have stat points to distribute and raising from 18 to 18/.. costs extra points.
In BG2 you don't have a point buy system, you just roll your stats. You get the second number for free, 18/.. is always better than 18 and 18/00 is the best you can roll.

Pfew
 

Hmmm..
I found this Aran Linvail at last.

But..but some writers of walk through must be hang at ship roam, as we did when the brave was pirate around Cape of Good Hope.

new misunderstand:
..find Mook at south end of the docks.????

No any Mook or yoga is idiot at all.???

Still I dunno my main task! Only sub quests..

Rats! I lost 2 days for some stupid Mook..

angry yoga:(

I will take my AK 47 and start massacre..

:((((

That's not "Mook", but "nook". It means "hole". A certain semi-hidden spot what contains (minor) treasure. You'll find those at the location given in the walkthrough (x,y coordinates are given).


Btw, your task is: take revenge on the one took you captive. Another goal is to rescue Imoen. For these you have to find allies (your captor is strong, remember), destination to travel, means to reach that destination. Some info and equipment wouldn't be bad either. You might even found your own Guild in the city of Amn!
Along those you also might evolve your True Power, as your captive intended.

Yep, BG2 has a little bit ore story then the usual "open door, kill dragon, take treasure" line.

You can find Mook only at night, the shadow thieves don't work at daylight.

About your quest:

Imoen has been captured and imprisoned by the authorities for using magic illegally and you're trying to free her from prison.
For getting to the location where Imoen is imprisoned somewhere across the sea you need help.
After earning money with quests you paid the shadow thieves (an evil guild of blackmailers and assassins, you also had the opportunity to ask the mysterious woman from the graveyard instead) a lot of gold for the help they offered, but instead of taking you there immediately they force you to do some unrelated quests for them first.
You have to do those quests in order to proceed with the story and get where Imoen is.

As kmonster said, Mook appears only at night. When you go to the most south of the docks area, there's stairs down to a small boot platform, just below the big orange house at the left (and a nice fellow who sells and buys stolen goods at nights). There you'll find her. Be sure you've got a good protection from level drain before you go there, you'll need it very soon.

Why brave yoga uses a walktrough ? :omg:

..and the winner iiiiiiiiiis? Of course, y... the brave
 

:whistling:
Si, Capo, I know You hate walk through and like Minsc.

Yes, good question.
But so many sub quests and ..and every person met asked me to: Take this, bring that, see this one, free another one so I am going mad and upset and open the WT (BTW some WT's are wrong - see my post above).
...and sun is shining as a new monster. Even yoga lost his nerves, y'now.:hihihi:

@Kmonster
Rodger, I have to wait until midnight. But in BG2 we have no watch to order - Sleep to 0:00 PM as in FO. How one in BG will know what time is? How to do the midnight time?

OK, but I miss these nice colored trees and their leaves of out door areas in BG1.
Oh, the enemies are v. though as Mustard Jellies. I accidentally entered City Gates and some evil thief or warrior makes my group shashlik (type of grilled meat, typical for Slav community).

@Scatty
If I am not wrong You are speaking about that Bartender, who is ex-pirate captain? And in his Tavern some baron captures Jaheira?

@Hunvagy
Excuse me please, what game in harder? 1 or 2?:whistling:

@twillight
twillight, when I finish 2 I will back with my victorious army to support You in the battle with 2 Battle Horrors. They used Blade Flames very mercilessly. Jellies are another question.
:smile2:

Both are. Crank difficulty up to core rules, and see your heroes critted to death from which you can't raise them. Though logically even with the upgraded loot, the second game with ToB installed is a lot harder. Epic adventures always get unfair, that kinda is a rule. Your heroes are so OP that the enemies need be to, or there's no challenge.

And shame on you for using a walkthrough. The entire meaning of playing BG opposed to the newer games is that it doesn't litter your map with waypoints, daisychaining you to your objective. You should be happy the protagonist has a journal that auto updates with the most important info.

On a sidenote, finally installed BWP last night. Now I just need a few hundred hours of spare time...

Let the Power be with You!

Good luck.

:D

BG2 is easier than BG. Monsters are higher level and have more options for hurting and killing, but so do you. Read the spell descriptions, there are enough overpowered spells for everything.

There are unfair encounters in BG2 which are almost impossible to survive the first time you meet them, so don't feel bad to use metagaming knowledge for prebuffing and preparing just the spells you need for them, the game was designed this way, newbies and experts both have to reload some encounters.

If you know that you'll get ambushed at the next area transition prepare your party. Go into a building and have your casters cast buff and protection spells beforehand, you can even rest and prepare exactly the spells you need for the upcoming battle since you know exactly who will attack you how. If you're going to meet casters you might want your druids memorize "insect plague" to keep them from casting for example.

If your mages are protected by "shield", "mirror image" and "stoneskin" even before you meet the monsters they'll be almost invulnerable and with "fire shield" attacking them will hurt a lot, druids can protect themselves with "iron skins", you can buff your melee characters with "strength" until they've 18/00 so they hit better and harder for a long time, if you have a cleric the AC and saving throw bonus for casting "protection from evil 10' radius" will help a lot, if you cast "haste" just before the battle the physical damage output will almost double, ...

Which is exactly why I modded the hell out of the game :lol: I know I'm going to be cursing in a few hours like a sailor, when the enemy casters pwn me, but at least they play fair now. And charm person is a lot more fun, when you hit an enemy caster that has enough spells to kill his own companions xD

:hello:
Great advises!
I have to follow them if I want to survive.
Esp. to cast my spells in some inn before meeting with friendly monsters.

I already met one of them:
very fast warrior with blue shalwars, mortal as snake, Hareisham.
:whistling:
Still waiting for Mook at the Docks.
I like my Imoen, yes, I really like this bright girl.
Trying to sleep I see her dreams. Wow!

My command:
KMONSTER - Fighter
Jaheira - Fighter/Druid
Minsc - Ranger
Yoshimo - Bounty Hunter
Nalia - Mage/Thief
Korgan - Berserker

At the midnight I equipped my command as Kmonster directed above and met Hareishan. After the first strike he disappeared. Still no Mook. I found a note about warning.
It is all OK? Normal?
Tired to wait this Mook!!

Didn't you read my post above about Mook? And no, it isn't about a tavern with some ex-pirate and ex-baron Ployer. It is about that Mook :p

Mook isn't a ghost who spooks only from 0 a.m. to 1 a.m., shadow thieves work longer, just get there at night and talk to her. I guess you searched at the wrong location, the exact location where you meet her is x 1700 y 3625, (pressing the x key will show the current mouse pointer coordinates).

If you can't find Mook at night there you either haven't gotten that quest yet (look at the journal) or have already done it (report back to Aran Linvail).
You can try resting at an inn outside the dock district until it's dark in case she can't appear while you're waiting there. There's no time limit in the game, do nothing but resting until you find her.
Another option is that you've encountered an unknown bug and are screwed.

just below the big orange house at the left (and a nice fellow who sells and buys stolen goods at nights).

Yes, but I am unable to access this place because the doors to the place are locked.

1) I think the exact time is show if you bring the cursor above the spinning clockwheel-clock at the bottomleft corner.

2) If you stand in a location and rest, the reload of the map might not happen correctly for night and day hours. Switch map (traveling within Amn's district takes no time).

The correct way to find Mook:

Wait until nightfall (in a tavern, or in another district) and head down to where the ships are loaded where
you will find the thief, Mook. (x 1700 y 3625). Talk to her to get things
rolling. She has seen some guy wandering around looking suspicious.
Soon the guy shows up and she goes up to talk to him. Soon he kills her,
and you must fight him. When you get him beat, he turns to mist and
floats away. You will have to deal with Lassal again later.

Return to Aran Linvail, and tell him what transpired. He gives everyone
in your party 28,500 experience and another job.


3) Yoshimo will die. That's why (and because multiclass rocks) most of us prefer Jan Jansen as the thief of the party. But it is interresting to go for Yoshimo + Imoen, so I say you should try them. And if (when) you'll install ToB and play the whole saga next time, keep in mind the little gnome:drool:


PS: If all goes well, today I'll clean: west of High Hedge, Larsswood, Bandit Camp!

You spoiled one of the biggest surprise of the game, shame on you.

You don't have to go down the stairs below the house, the stairs down are a few meters east of the house.

Relax, mates, all is under control
 

:doh:
Well, well, well..

Done. All.

The army of the brave just fulfilled the task for Mook. He is not only brave but wise, this crazy mad yoga.
ha ha ha
Sometimes I make mistakes result of fast and carelessness. I did not write the timeless dialogues but very fast forwarding. Usually stupidly.
:3:
Now after 2 lost days I retreat and very slowly began again. And voila....Mook was at the south end of the docks. Some guy appeared after our conversation and killed poor lady.
Now my army is KMONSTER, Jaheira, Minsc and Yoshimo.
...But new quest for the brave. To visit some inn and bring info. OK.
:idea:

@Hunvagy
You are abs. right for spell Identify. Only Imoen is capable to use this spell in the inventory. I did some exercises before her capture.

@Capo
Senior Capo, be fair and tell me You found the hide-out of
Aran Linvail without f.....d WT? Grazie.

@twillight
Madman, You still alone?Armed with stone in hands as in FO2?:lol:

@Master Scatty
Being many years sailor I know exactly what is dock. Do You know what is "Dry dock"?:hihihi:

Q:
All BG2 is in cities and in door? No colored trees and like as in BG1?

:whistling:

Half of BG2 plays in the City of Amn (just like a third of BG1 plays in the City of Baldur's Gate). But there's enough forest, ancient ruins, castles, alien worlds to give you a sight.


PS: Yes, I'm still alone. But I just reached 6/7, and my equipment is:
Frostbrand (Drizzt do Urden's scimitar, stolen streight from his pocket), bow (arrows: +1 arrows 30+ pack, arrows of biting, arrows +2, arrows of flame) bracers AC8 (for change I store bracers of archery too), Knave's robes (I have a leather armor +2 in my backpack too), boots of grounding (maybe I should change this to the anti-missile boots), the horn of Kazgaroth (maybe I should change it to amulet of protection +1 most of the times), girdle of piercing, ring of wizardy, Algernon's cloak, the claw of Kazgaroth.
For quick item slots I currently use Wand of Fear, any spellscroll except magic missile/Larchor's minor drain, healing potion. For later I have other wands, oil of burning (in many variation).

I have many elexirs and similar stuff
 

:hihihi:
Wow! You very smart as Sage. Bravo!
This fact indicates that You played this game many, many times and know all about it.Nice.
But do not forget for 2 Battle Horrors in Mines in level 4.
If any problem, just call me, I am just around the corner.

But the brave situation is not so nice.Really.
I am in Graveyard District and has to destroy Bodhi.
Easy to tell, hard to do.
--Why, brave, you stated before that no game is problem for yr victorious army?
- Hmm..usual boasting.
My problem:
Some creature(s) causes my leader KMONSTER is
Level Drained condition ? What, why?
But the worst is ahead.
When I entered a big hall (some color pictured floor-this is first entrance of Southern Dungeons) was badly attacked and result is that two more members of party are in same condition as leader is.
What to do? Any healing procedure or stuff?

The game becomes more and more difficult and Imoen is still far from me. Rats!!!

OFF:
Q: What game is better: BG2 or Wizardry 6/7?
Q2: What game is harder: BG2 or Wizardry 6/7?
Q3: (for Kmonster only)- Do You think the brave will be able to pass W6/7? How many times You played W6/7, bitte?
What game(s) do You play now, if any?

Thanks a lot, mates.

You are very kind.:3:

Because high level undead have level drain. Your chars failed the save and lost their levels. In AD&D it's permanent and no natural way to recover it. If you have a cleric, and still capable of casting Restoration of Greater Restoration, that should give back levels. If not, you need to go to a temple, and ask for a Restoration.

That's just a beginning. You didn't see the game being really difficult yet :perv:

If your level becomes drained (all vampires in Bodhi's Lair drain levels), you need to wear the amulet that Aran Linvail gave you, Amulet of Power called in English I think. It renders the one who wears it immune to level draining.
To cure drained levels condition, you can go to a temple and pay for curing you of it (spellcasters might need to re-memorize spells again and rest afterwards), or if you have a Cleric in your party (Viconia, Anomen) of high enough level, they can cast a Restoration spell(s). Also while proceeding against vampires and other similar unpleasant fellows, it is a wise choice of action to summon some helpful creatures first and send them ahead of you. While they bear the brunt of the enemy attack, you deal with the enemy.

Level drain is an extremely bad status, character levels determine almost everything, hitpoints, saving throws, hit chance, number of attacks, spellpower, ...
Without a cleric in the party it's even worse than death, when Minsc or Yoshimo die Jaheira can just resurrect them, but she can't cure level drain with a spell and you don't always have a temple nearby for expensive healing.

So reloading is the best you can do.

For draining levels vampires have to hit you in melee, so either make sure the attacks are directed at the character who is immune (have Jaheira equip the amulet of power and send her forward protected by iron skins for example) and/or get your armor class so low and your attack power so high that the vampires die without ever touching you.
Summons like fire elementals work too, it doesn't matter if they get drained.

There will be even harder vampire fights later in the game.

Your party is quite unbalanced at the moment, without access to mage and cleric spells the game is very hard. Consider hiring Aerie (did you find her in the Circus tent ?), she'll offer mage und cleric spells for buffing (haste for example) and can remove level drain (lesser restoration is a level 4 spell).


Everyone who is able to cast mage spells and has memorized an identify spell can identify items from the inventory with the spell.
This includes Nalia, Aerie, Jan, Imoen and Haer'Dalis.


A: BG2 is of course better than those much older games since newer computers allowed far better graphics and other things. But if taking the time of release into account I'd say BG2 is better than W7 but worse than W6.

A2: Combat in BG2 is harder. In W6 and W7 you can grind levels as much as you want to make the battles easier.
BG2 riddles are easier, W6 riddles require more thinking and W7 riddles seem to be made to make the company rich with the game help hotline and selling the solution book. No problem today since you can just ask in a forum.
The wizardry games require more patience.

A3: Without a doubt you'll be able to beat W6 and W7. I've played both from start to finish with a party, soloed W7 at expert difficulty (it's actually easier than a party at normal) and played around a little more.

Currently I'm replaying BG1 with the same party you took to honor your achievement. I'm still surprised how you could do this so fast and well from scratch. :kosta:

Yep, I've played BG2 + Tob quite a few times, and BG1 once. And I have my own special WT:rolleyes:

You very early went against the vampires, but I wish you luck. Solution as mentoned by others, and to mention Invisible Stalkers (from spell) and summoned swords (spells, and an item) are immun to leveldrain.

About party: do not take Aerie. She requires too many exp to be effective.
But otherwise do not let others tell what party to choose. Yes, your party is much more melee-oriented, but that must work too. Although I'd kick out Natalia for the sake of Edwin.
Oh, a warning: Natalia trusted you a QUEST, so she'll go after a while if you don't clean her castle!
And an advice: specialise Krogan to axes. There's even a good throwing axe what returns to thrower's hand (= unlimited amunition).


Finally: I'm currently playing these:
- BG1 + TotSC + BG2 + ToB
- G.O.L.E.M.
- The Summoning
- Spells of Gold
- Diablo1
- Baldies

Attacking vampires without a cleric???

http://www.memestick.com/images/MULT...0mad%20bro.jpg

Just pick Aerie or Anomen up, they're both kickass characters.

If you don't dedicate your attention to her quest after around 48 hours (she'll remind you of it once before that, though) after taking her into your party, and she'll be gone, you'll see her never again. So if you plan on keeping her around, better hurry to keep your promise you gave her :p

F.. what ? :mhh:
Anyway i never use WT or demand too much advices, they will just ruin the game imho ;)

Nice!
 

@Caro Capo
You are the man! Bravo!
My deep bows before such a fair gamer.
..about demand too much advices I have many arguments but there is no place, no moment to start new discussion. Anyway I respect your opinion.
:whistling:
OFF:
But I do not find any play-run of Dragon Age 1 even in YouTube? Only DA2.

@Master Scatty
Natalia?What Natalia? I dunno this person at all.:bleh1:

@Tomekk
Relax, Bro.
All is under control. About yoga, he is not only mad but abs. crazy and... lazy. Lazy beggar he is.:hihihi:

@twillight
You are the man also!
Btw, You bring me luck with yr name in BG1.
Hmm. what about this BG1 quest Pantaloon?
Nothing, I suppose. No FAI in this world map?
Ha ha ha
Some "wise" guy told me. yoga, keep this item in a save place..This item I placed in FAI case.

Master and my leader of army Kmonster,
I dully followed your advice and rescued Aerie. Then really she restored my KMONSTER from Level Drained status. Now I am before this hall with vampires and prepare for attack.
Danke Sehr for nice kind words about my capabilities conc. F6.

mad yoga..and crazy...and lazy
:hello:

Aerie is effective right from the start. She doesn't need many mage levels to cast identify, to protect herself with spells like mirror image and stoneskin and to buff the party with spells like haste. She only needs 7 cleric levels in order to improve saving throws with "protection from evil 10' radius", cure level drain with "lesser restoration" or cast the level 4 spell which protects a character from level drain, only 9 cleric levels are needed to raise dead party members or cast "chaotic commands" for protection. She'll reach mage level 11 and cleric level 9 as fast as a pure mage level 12 or a pure cleric level 10.
Anomen or Viconia will level faster as cleric and Nalia or Imoen or Edwin faster as mage, but Aerie is sufficient to cover the most urgent needs in both classes.

Aerie is always WAAAY behind the party, and fatigue is a BAAAD thing, so avoid lesser restoration and haste whenever possible. Stoneskin is USELESS on Aerie - just keep her away from the enemy to be safe from damage, as you never want her to fight, because she sucks in that.
Instead of raise there is reload, and any mind-effecting spell in BG2 + ToB is basically USELESS because of the high saving throws of monsters.

On the other hand what you expect from a mage is to Summon Deva (in ToB), and cast zounds of magic missles (that removes stone skin, mirror image, prevents casting, causes damage), cast fireball/skull trap, and for quest-purpose be able to turn into a jelly. That's why Edwin is so perfect choice: +1 spell per level for being a specialist (and he lacks the most useless magic school), +1 MORE for being Edwin, and many-many special abilities (this last one in ToB)!

Aerie... Aerie is only good for fucking. Then sell her baby at the next shop.

Yes, but she's a divine and arcane caster in the same pack... so Time Stop, Ressurect and buff party is just one of the lovely things she can do :p And seeing how he's playing a good party (judging by Minsc and Jaheira being present) Edwin isn't a good idea.

As for high saves on monsters... that's what you get for playing in epic levels, so might as well make your weapon users as effective as possible and support them with Breaches, Dispels and Buffs, with the usually working: "Kill them before they kill you." philosophy in mind.

Ty
 

Ah, mille grazie!

:smile2:

Good morning everybody in AB
 

Haz is eliminated, but his Golen and some Clay Golem and Lassal still not.
:whistling:

Have fun with the golems, the hardest part is finding out which weapons they are vulnerable to and having them. For clay golems only magical blunt weapon work, iron golems require +3 weapons or better.

An advice:
Before leaving the city with the ship in search for Imoen equip your party.
I'd buy the girdle which grants 19 strength, the quarterstaff+4 (no monster is immune to +4 blunt weapons) and bracers AC3 (best armor for mages and thieves) from Ribald in the Adventurer's Mart.

That is, if you did enough of optional side-quests to gather the money. If you mostly left out the side-quests (such as Nalia's keep) and did only necessary main ones - you're missing out a lot of experience, character levels, items and money.
Also, since you're asking a lot for advices but mostly don't heed them anyway when given, I'll refrain from posting here anymore. It's your game, after all.

No, Scatty, You are wrong
 

@Kmonster
Yes, I really have problem with these strong golems.

@Scatty
Master, when I do not need or follow the advices given?
My deep respect but I strictly and dully follow all your help advices.
I re did my party after advices, I found cleric/mage after advices, but as Kmonster correctly notes yoga can't satisfies 20 advices most of them conflicting each other.
Sry, I still do not meet Natalia.
So sorry to argue with You.
I never offend person in AB and/or other site and I will never offend anyone.
Yes, I am jester, but loyal and friendly.

upset yoga
:omg:

PS: For a while yoga will stop posting in this thread.

Actually there is.

@Scatty
One point if, if you go for Imoen as permanent partymember, you willfully ignore most sidequest for a while. But what yoga is doing I agree is a little bit ridiculous. At least he should pay attention on the ingame conversations!


PS: I'm clearing areas while in chapter 4, mostly because if I enter a place I like to lick it clean, but I don't feel strong enough against ankeghs or basilisks, nor wyverns. I wish in those areas I could solve on the like as the problem of the Doomsayer at the archeological dig ("most powerful vanquished monster" according to the character sheet, although I'd have some other ideas on that title instead).
All in all before trying my luck against the above mentioned critters I'll visit Ulchaster and the Firewine Bridge wiuth my 7/7 character.

@Scatty

You're unfair.
You gave misleading information about Mook's location and complained that Yoga didn't find her immediately.
After Yoga told that Nalia and Korgan aren't in the party any more twillight and you gave advice how to develop Korgan and how to keep "Natalia" in the party and complain that it isn't followed. :what:

Keep in mind that for first time players things aren't as obvious as when replaying for the 10th time. Also consider that years have past since you last finished the game and memories can be deceiving.

@kmonster
Our major complain was that yoga 1) never read the story, so he don't know when he supposed to do what. He even lost partymembers because of this, and never knew why he fought the final boss 2) he don't read the manual, nor the ingame information, so he ends in situations like when he thought identify is bugged in his version 3) he runs forward like crazy, but this game holds way more then just being a tick on the end of your barel!


PS: I've eliminated the basilisks. Now I enter the Cloakwood Forest. I've cleaned each and every area until now, all quests, except in which the dryad kills a partymember (I have none). I've killed 750 critters until now within 83 days 22 hours, the "most powerful vanquished" being a Greater Basilisk (worth 7,000 exp).

I'm afraid you're a bit wrong there. I never gave any advice on Korgan, nor did I mention "Natalia" myself, only quoted twilight. Thought it was obvious who's in question, especially since Yoga made fun of it so I'm sure he understood who I meant. Also I thought my directions for Mook were relatively clear, sorry if they appeared misleading after all.
Guess I am a bit unfair, sorry for that. It's just that I generally don't like doing something that serves little or no purpose, and I got the impression that my advices aren't much paid attention to, which, seeing as Yoga is asking for advices in the first place, makes little sense to post them here. Why asking for them if not following them?
It's nothing personal at all, the game makes more fun if played on own way and I completely understand that, so as I said, it's his game after all. I wasn't meaning to upset anyone, so I apologize if I did.

To yoga:

I've reached the Cloackwood Mines.

Level1: some single guards I've only found
Level2: more guards. A room full with them, but they died from a single fireball.
Level3: hobgoblins and guards respawned here constantly. I've found some "Natasha", but no Battle Horrors.
Level4: some traps and a single special mage, for the look similar tpo a previous ogre mage, so I killed him out of view. Never saw any Battle Horrors, sry. Maybe what they heared about me was so horrific that they fled?

Think they only exist in Tales of the Sword Coast... 2000 XP baddies guarding a mage whose favorite spell is Dimension Door <.<

They exist in pure BG1 too. Besides TotSC is installed at me as mentioned above.

As you force me, here is the reason why I not fought mentioned beings:
- 4 is summoned from traps I disarmed (1 from each trap)
- 2 is summoned at the beggining of the battle if you don't solve it out of screen.
Happy now Tomekk?


Next I'll try to fireball down the ankeghs or something. Or just sneak along them.
Btw, Robe of the Evil Archmagi is I have from now. So I can wear breacers of archery constantly. Good, and even neutral mages can BUY these freakin' cloacks right at the beggining, only poor evil ones are distinguished in this question negatively:omg:

I didn't force anything, what? And going out of screen to avoid summons is kinda cheating :p And yes, they can buy those robes too, albeit for 20,000ish gold.

You forced me by spreading false information. Though I talked directly to yoga to make fun of 'im.

And it is NOT cheating at all. Why else I'm constantly in sneak mode you think?

Also 20K gold is nothing when you play solo. Not to mention after Icewind Dale I never collect gold in these games, but go to the secret moneymaking-spot. THAT is kinda cheating (actually just an exploit), the only I allow myself. But otherwise it'd take ridiculous time (both VR and RL).

Anyway, I'm still solo, and reached chapter 5! Fear me! Fear the chaotic-evil 7/8 mage/thief Drizzt!
I also found the old BG1 character of mine exported. It was a chaotic-good hale-elf lvl8 ranger, with stats 19/19/19/6/21/19 (+1 to all from tomes, except to intelligence). I'm not sure if this character saw the expansion when I exported it (I could buy that some time later, when I converted my last savegame).

I am back
 

yoga is on the road again.

Location:Graveyard
The first right hall in the north.
Have to fight two Tanova's.
First attempt shows me that they are not weak opponents at all.

Command:
KMONSTER -Fighter,
Minsc - Ranger,
Jaheira - Fighter/Druid,
Yoshimo - Bounty Hunter,
Aerie - Cleric/Mage
Korgan - Berserker

Note: Because I met problem with the Golem I decided to increase my combat power and recruited Korgan again.
But after I equipped my commandos with good blunt (thanks Kmonster for advice) weapons - War hammer+1 and Mace+1 and... attacked Golem and.. after 3-4 strikes it was finished. Nice.

I know that Korgan is searching for some book in the catacombs. I will do my best to find it because I do not want Korgan to leave.

Wow: I have so much spells that this quantity confused me.

Watch out, as any Evil aligment NPC will leave your party if you ever go above 18 reputation (another reason why evil or mixed alignment party requires Viconia).

About spells: concentrate on the good ones. Ask advice if you can't decide yourself.


PS: I checked and noticed I've just reached maximum exp. So I'll skip most quests from now on, and concentrate on gathering turbo items only, and story-developing quests.

OK
 

Just "eliminated" Bodhi. Actually she killed 2 my commandos and flees.

1. I did not find the book for Korgan. Rats!
2. Aran seems busy and does not speak with me?

No one need to excuse.
I remember very well who was with me 5 long years and helped me always in the bad moments.
ALL IS OK.

NPC "seems busy" is a bug (You never get this message in the patched game) which appears under Windows XP and is fixed by the official patch. I had the same bug in the game, you can try reloading or come back later, but it's painful and the game gets unplayable.
So download and install the latest patch, you'll have to do it sooner or later anyway. You can get it here for example (if you have the english language version):
http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/dl.ph...tchENGLISH.exe

Korgan searches a crypt where you could go to even without the help of the shadow thieves. If you get there he'll notice something and tell you where to go next to meet his former companions and to finish his little quest.
For fighting vampires and certain other monsters he can be very useful since his berserker rage grants immunity to level drain, charm and other things.
But as evil character he doesn't like high reputation or Aerie.

The Korgan quest is done.
The "Seems busy" bug is solved with kind help of Kmonster.
Danke Sehr, noch ein mal, Kmonster.
I DL and install patch from the link provided and now I am the island.
Hurray!

PS: What for God sake is that BG1 version without one of terrible enemies - Battle Horrors. Armed with Flame blade in the hands they are real harvesters of my men.
Maybe Sarevok will be out also?

Imoen is back!!
 

Hurray!

My lovely sister is again with me!

The betrayer Yoshimo is out of my army.

We are in Bodhi labyrinth now.

Sry, please repeat what you want to say, as something is missing from quoted sentence.

Hmmm.......

I met very big resistance in some area from Hulks, Skeletons and Lich. (Bodhi labyrinth south east area)

Retread to evaluate the situation and decide what weapons to use because the traditional ones are ineffective.

Maybe the monsters have the protection and I have to use magical spells? Dunno.

How to kill damned Troll?
My commandos:
KMONSTER, Imoen, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie and Korgan

Task: To kill some vampire Dace Sontan and take the Dace from its body.

Trolls only die if the deadly strike comes from fire or acid. You REALLY should read the manual, or at least on occasion read the loading text. It is written there as well >.>

As mentioned here previously, or in the manual, or in all walkthroughs, or the AD&D rulebooks, or ingame at Natalia's keep, or ampongst the loading-screen's tips: trolls must suffer fire or acid damage as killing blow, or they'll stand up with full health.

On monsters in general: stronger monsters are more and more magic-filled. This results, that they can be hurt only by more and more magical items. For example an Adamantium Golem can only be hurt by +3 weapons or higher. Some monsters even require +5 weapons!
Spells are another category, immunities against those comes like this: resistance/immunity to a certain element, OR immunity to certain level spells or below, OR very good saving throws in certain categories.
Also just to mention in ToB some monster can become immun to magic, so you can't harm them with any spell or any type of magical item (you must hit them with nonmagical weapons).
The last thing to know is monsters can be immun to certain type of damage, like Clay golems can only be hurt with blunt weapons.

A VERY USEFUL note for you: there is a smith in Baldur's Gate who can assemble VERY STRONG magical items from seemingly useless items (and some not so useless). You can bring all kind of shit and ask his opinion, or just check this list in a WT.

Never play games without patch enigmatic yoga ;)
And keep imoen! Treat your sister well!

A troll can be damaged with normal weapons until it falls down. Then you should stop attacking it (use the space bar for pausing and giving new commands) and switch to the next target while one character finishes it off with a fire or acid spell or weapon so it doesn't regenerate and attack again.
So use a weapon which does additional fire or acid damage, read the spell descriptions and memorize the fitting spells like burning hands, Melf's acid arrow, flame arrow, flame strike, fire seeds, conjure fire elemental, ...

Umber Hulks have a confusing gaze, so you might want to protect some party members with the level 5 cleric spell "chaotic commands" and use summons which don't get confused like undead.

Lichs can only be hurt by +4 weapons or better or high level spells. In BG2 summons are considered magical and can even hurt monsters which require +4 weapons, so a few hasted fire elementals or other powerful summons can work well.

Progress
 

Thank You, mates!
You are so kind as usual to stupid yoga.

Details:
Rats! I lost my spell case with about 20 non used spells. But I will not cry because:
Imoen - 32 spells memorized and 2 -3 times more known
Jaheira -28 spells memorized and 2 -3 times more known
Aerie - 31 spells memorized and 2 -3 times more known
-----------------
total - 91 spells memorized and about 200 spells known

Huge quantity, yes. Maybe I will find more.

The game
I have no words to express my feelings.
Nice, awesome game.
Maybe is better than Betrayer at Krondor. I dunno. BaK was my first love but BG2 is my last.. ha ha ha
No problem with sound and play run.
No one time freezing. Fast and stable.

@Scatty
Master, You're abs. correctly stating before .." this is beginning only"... Wow! Hard moments wait the brave everywhere. Even with these strong fighters, even with 3 healing magicians I am feeling very often helpless against enemies attacks.
@Capo
Si, Senior Capo.
Rodger that I will be very careful and protect my lovely sister always.
Between us only: Capo, I was really very near to do fatal mistake. Yes, there was a moment when the brave wants to say-- I love you, my dear..?! Can You imagine??
But, gladly I understand that this is my sister and did not make that fatal fail.
@Hungary
Yes, yes, I know that the stupid does not read the WT, that he is lazy beggar and so on.
But some of my friends ask me - The brave, why you use WT? This fact reduces the game charisma.
More over I do not want to know that after the first corner will wait me the monster named Twillight, and after the second - the next monster named Hunvagy.
Surprise is a main factor of game for the brave.
Twillight, I visited that Smith in question but he explain me that he needs a special stuff I do not posses.
@Kmonster
Yes, the trolls were dead after I used fire weapons when they down on the ground.
I used the spell Summon Monsters against Skeleton Warriors and the spell Aerial Servant against Lichs.
Hmm.. still I do not enter fight with Hulks. I do not like to fight when the doors fall down behind me. Maybe in a good time will enter their mazes.

My location:
Island Brynnlaw
Spellhold
The Apparition test me with some riddles.

I SAID MANUAL NOT WALKTHROUGH. Which includes a goddamned bestiary, that at least vaguely describes each new critter you might meet and how you best fight it. It is considered common knowledge by your characters and by the player. This is not fucking Diablo, where the monster carries a 2m by 3m sign "OHAI I'M IMMUNE TO POISON ASSHOLE".

Here's the Complete AD&D2 Monster Manual, use it.

:)

Please, need I from:
Accorns
Genie's flack
Sh.Thief cellar key
Gogged man
Jar of water
Air elemental statue
Wooden stake - 3 pcs (More vampires to eliminate?)
Hourglass
Mirror
Yoshimo hearth
Kurtulmak Crystal shard
Mind flayer painting
Mithril token
Hand of Dace
Giant troll head
Griming skull
Golden circlet
Warden's note ...Heed this, inmate. The true test of madness is...

TY

The acorns will yield a some XP if you deliver them somewhere (you got this quest in the prologue, look into your journal), so will Yoshimo's heart.
Both sidequests can't be done before chapter 6.

You will find more vampires to fight and more stakes to stake later, it's up to you if you save 1-3 stakes for later so you don't have search for others then.

The remaining stuff will be useless after leaving Spellhold and can be left behind.

Yea, i was in the same situation, how embarassing :doh:
I see you have the resurrected Minsc in your party, very good :OK:

@Capo
I do keep my promise. Even the first attempt to have Minsc failed, I returned and rejoin this hero.
Btw, he is my only commando who damaged slightly that powered Balor.
@Kmonster
I will keep the stuff you mentioned above.

But the brave met a terrible enemy:
Yes, dragon-like Balor.
I sent this monster my Aerial Servants - 2 pcs + Fire elemental+Skeleton+many summoned monsters+Invisible Stalker and many more from distance, all in vain, because he destroyed them without single HP damage.
I understand he is immune against same opponents.
Then I try attack with all group. In vain again.
Then I desperately send my Minsc to sure dead. Yes, Minsc battles as a lion and make some damages but very weak.

Now the brave is down crying bitterly. What to do?

You ask me bout my weapons? Sure.

KMONSTER - War hammer +2
Minsc - War hammer +2
Korgan - War hammer +1
No better magical weapons in that store which Kmonster advised me zu besuchen before island.
The ladies are with some Staff mace, Club and Mace of disruption +1 .
Of course i have some other spare weapons for extra cases.
Some of my agents informed me the he can only be hurt by +3 magical weapons and there are several drow in the area who have +3 long swords or +3 flails.

But how to meet these ones? I slept some times but they do not appeared.

Just walk around everywhere you can on the map and you'll be ambushed somewhere.
Go everywhere and do everything you can now to collect more XP and equipment before returning to fight the demon, only avoid the two caves in the SE, they're even harder.

If you still can't defeat the demon you can kill the quest giver to get what you need directly. :devil:


The mace of disruption +1 counts as +4 weapon and can therefore hurt the demon IIRC, don't even bother trying to attack it with weapons with too low enchantment. If Aerie or Imoen knows the level 4 spell "enchanted weapon" you should be able to create all the magical weapons you need.
Make sure you create the weapons your characters are proficient in, without proficiency in the weapon type you get a penalty to hit, with only + you aren't very good, with ++ you do more than double damage. Restricting yourself to blunt weapons is pointless since the demon (like most other monsters) is equally vulnerable to other damage types.

The demon stuns at the beginning of combat so you might want to protect your party members or summons with "free action" or send only Korgan who is immune during berserker rage forward and have the others follow later.

Game character love? :p
Anyway, she's not really your sister, you know. Well ok, common father - god Bhaal, if you count 'that' as being a relative. But there is actually a small mod, adding a romance with Imoen to the game, if you really need that.

@Scatty
Anyway, she's not really your sister, you know.

TY, Master!Nah, new direction of the game scenario!
Hurray! Immediately I will go to nearest flower shop to buy the nice bouquet and present to this nice, pretty girl.Then,...maybe Nina Richi dress?

@Kmonster
I read your directions twice, write down, again read and started execution.
Btw, I entered some cave northwest, just before the bridge with 3 natives, but had no time to explore.
..and after the first fight with the drow I found very good armor for Jaheira which reduced her AC from 1 to -9!!

The mace of disruption counts as +4 against undead, and has a chance to destroy them on a successful hit, so it'll be useless against a Balor.

And btw, Balors are the most powerful inhabitants of the Abyss you can meet and survive the meeting, so no wonder it's hard to beat:

Climate/Terrain: The Abyss
Frequency: Very rare
Organization: Solitary
Activity Cycle: Any
Diet: Carnivore
Intelligence: Supra-genius (19-20)
Treasure: H×3
Alignment: Chaotic evil
No. Appearing: 1
Armor Class: -8
Movement: 15, Fl 36 (B)
Hit Dice: 13
THAC0: 7
No. of Attacks: 2 (sword, whip)
Damage/Attack: 1d12/1d4 + special
Special Attacks: Terror, body flames, death throes, explosion
Special Defenses: +3 or better weapons to hit
Magic Resistance: 70%
Size: L (12’ tall)
Morale: Fearless (19-20)
XP Value: 26,000

Combat: Balors are cannot be surprised. They are immune to all nonmagical attacks including fire, gas, poison, and weapons, and all attacks with magical weapons of less than +3 enchantment.

Savor it, adamantine disintegrates the moment it gets touched by sunlight :p

Concerning the Balor:
If I remember correctly, the weapons the drow dropped are +3 flails, halberds, crossbows, scimitars, longswords and spears, so those should help greatly. Also, Protection From Evil will make it harder for such an evil creature to hurt your party; consider buffing them up with Bless, Chant and alike too, seeing how the bastard has 70% magic resistance.

3 times Hurray!!
 

Hey, mates,

The victorious army of the brave just eliminated Balor!
Yes, we did.

-- But how did it, humble but brave?
y-- No, no it was not piece of cake. Not at all! This was no Lord Xeen (Hunvagy, do You know this lord?), nor poor Frank.
-- Plz, more details?
y-- OK, sure.
I equipped my 3 men with swords and flail+3.
1 attempt: I buffed my 3 men (The lady were in the save place in the inn. Not so clever act. I will explain why.) with Bless, Chant and alike as well respected Tomekk noted (Excuse pls are YOU from Czech Republic? Me- Bulgarian - goto Europe, then Black Sea, then west and You will see one very smaaaaaaaaaaaaaal country - this is yoga country Bulgaria - small, sunny and lovely:3: )
OK. So my 3 men attacked the monster. But my leader was hit with probably Fear spell and left the battle, starting moving up-down and was killed by Balor. Rats!
2 attempt: I sent only Minsc and Kmorgan. Ha ha ha Korgan. They attacked very nice. But after a while because of unknown reason Minsc left the battle. The lonely dwarf battled as brave lion even badly injured. I saw how he damaged the monster. Here the near by Aerie supported Korgan with spell Cure serious wounds.
And.. the winner is .....the brave. 28.5 K XP.
Then protagonist sealed the cave for ever.
The other is history.

Note: If the gnomes were not so greedy they would not wake up Balor.
Same is the story from the book Lord of the Ring. Do you remember a moment when the adventurers entered deep and deep in the cave to awake Flame monster which started a battle with Gandalf -the Wizard?

:2thumbs:

Remove Fear, level 1 cleric spell ;) Mages have Resist Fear, which also low level.

And I'm from Romania, so just above you on the map, yoga :p

Ah, Romania!
And I explain, the stupid me, to neighbor how to find Black Sea.
Ha ha ha:D
OK for Fear.

But my present problem is how to protect this Solaufein and to beat some Umber Hulk and Mind Flayers monsters at once.(Down right after the bridge).
Even I am brave, I do not like the battle duel "face-face". Actually, I am brave Fox.:3:
Have we some spell to change mind of the Drow in question and force him to follow me to safe place?
OR
Kmonster, is it a good idea to place around Drow guards like 2 Aerial Servants, Fire Elemental, new Imoen (false), Invisible Stalker and many summoned Monsters even Skeleton then return to save place and remotely kill the monsters?
Hope You understand my idea.

Is it possible my ladies-healers to heal injured Drow?

Any help is welcome... and volunteers.
:3:

Well Yoga, if you ever find a "potion of magic invulnerability" then for the sake keep it for "Kangaxx"

The strength of this 1x unique potion can't be overestimated. It makes you immune to magic.. not just 1-4level or anything else.. it shouldn't even exist, that powerful it is!

While this potion tries to say "use me, use me now! I'm good" do NOT USE it,
it is really the only way to confront the mighty undead Wizard Lich of the 50th circle, Kangaxx, risen from the dead!

Trust me on this one, Kangaxx will entomb your characters living 10.000 miles under the earth just by snapping his finger. And level 40 mages serve him as breakfast, ignoring them with 0 damage what ever spell they cast at him.
So, get a thief or a warrior use this potion, and if you also have an obsidian dagger+5 (the only thing that can hurt Kangaxx) then you might become a real gamer.

You should be able to heal or buff non-party members.
But I'd just slaughter the monsters as fast as possible, when they're dead they can't hurt any more.
If you prebuff and protect your party with spells like "chaotic commands" it shouldn't be too difficult, those monsters are vulnerable to normal weapons so your characters can use the weapons they're most proficient in for more attacks and damage.

Make sure to buy the useful stuff from the drow merchants in the city, city gates won't be open forever unless you want to live the rest of your lives as drow. You can buy the best weapon in the game there for example, the throwing dagger +3 firetooth.

:smile2:
Danke Sehr, Gnadige Wicky!
No, I do not remember I used the potion You noted. My memory serves me well.
I will follow your kind directions.
(Btw, why every member of AB knows this nice game, only stupid yoga play it for first time?
Probably when Paco the Great, Capo, Master Scatty and Kmonster, Tomekk - the neighbor, twillight, hunvagy etc. played this game, the stupid yoga goes fishing.)
:whistling:
UND
Danke Sehr, dear Kmonster.
Yes, you are correct again. I won this ambush. How:
-Easy. As you direct me I buffed my heroes using the services of my ladies. Then I surrounded this Drow with 5 monsters: 2 Aerial Servants, false Imoen, Fire elemental and a big bear (Sadly I am able to control 5 creatures only.) Then my 2 men - Korgan and Minsc surrouded also the Drow. After that the ladies, almost without magical power, were send after the bridge at save place.
I was located very near to Drow, buffed and ready to help. Last action was speaking with drow when he drows 5 monsters - 2 Mind Flayers and 3 Umber Hulks. Immediately I directed main forces to Flayers leaving Drow and Korgan to depends yourselves.
Nah! They are not so strong as I think. We won the battle. Only Minsc was dead but Ich habe keine Problem because my both ladies have Option Resurrection. Voilaaa. Maybe , maybe the words Blitz Krieg will explain better my tactic.
Pls, with your kind permission I will dare to translate these both words as " Lighting war". But YOU have the right to correct me if I was wrong.
TY
:hihihi:

yoga, as I mentioned the smith in Amn uses all kinds of stuff. If you have the correct thing or one of a collection, he tells what he can make of it, and what other items you'd need.

As I told, you can either bring all kinds of junk to him (his componernts are sometimes simple gems, sometimes powerfull artifacts), or just check the list somewhere on the net.

It is very worthy to use him, as he can create +5 weapons, dragonscale armors and so on.

Like if you'd go killing that demon, to what the Balor compared is nothing, you'd be very happy with those items.

OK.
I will became a big container from now for every junk.

Mama mia! I decided to kill the mad prince Kua-Toan and damaged, damaged this one without result!
Maybe it is immortal or maybe regenerate? This monster is perfect chaser.
Rats!!

What a game.
BG2 is definitely more hard that BG1.

1) You could have skip the Kuo Toans if working for the Silver Dragon. Did you saw him/her at least? A magnificient beast.

2) Kuo Toans have no special resistances, so I bet you have problems with the prince while leaving Underdark.
Now as you could know by reading the ingame informations you better get some Tainted Tadpoles from the pool in the same area, and put it into the pool behind the prince, corrupting the source of his power.

PS: it is also fun to sacrifice something to the Demogorgon:whistling: And I'm not sure wether BG" is harder - but definitly more complicated.

Come to think of it, the game letting you kill Demogorgon is the single most stupidest thing ever. And the one thing I do not like about BG2. Demogorgon is not "just" a demon for crying out loud.. it's a demon prince of the Infinite Abyss...

"His title as Prince of Demons is contested and somewhat misleading in that in the chaos of the Abyss there are no official titles and positions. He holds this title through sheer power and the fact no other demon has been able to prove themselves his superior and wrest the name from him. Demogorgon is also known as Lord of All That Swims in Darkness."

So yeah, no other demon prince has sh*t on him, but some bastard child of a dead god can. Meh :doh:

VICTORY
 

Victory, sweet victory!
I killed the mad Prince.
After I damaged and damaged this prince with Aerial Servant, I carefully advanced to support my Servant (Kmonster, You are right I am able to heal my creatures) and see what is situation.
Yes. The f.....d prince heals at every 3-4 seconds.
OK. I sent Korgan to take Tainted Tadpoles and soiled the fluid in prince room. This moment Servant continued the fight. Nice. I repeated the action and after 3-5 seconds prince was killed by my servant.

Q1: I want to battle with Demogorgon.
What and howto sacrifice, pls?

Q2: What is the best food for my commandos?
:hello:

..and poor Dragon still waits lazy yoga.
(Hunvagy, You still do not answer what is Lord Xeen?):hihihi:

Tremble, final boss, tremble because the brave approached.
Never mind who or what are you.
Now twillight will say: The stupid does not read the manual and WT.
Listen, mate: If You read a good crime book, is it good idea to open the last page and discover who is the murder? No, indeed.
Well, if You understand that point of view You will understand yoga.:smile2:

I know who Lord Xeen is *shrug* He's the proxy Allamar sent over to the light side of Xeen to subjugate that part while he took over the Darkside.

You cannot fight with Demogorgon in BG2:SoA, you can only make a sacrifice at his statue (just read the description you get) to awaken his little "children".
He won't accept Boo (giant space hamsters are obviously too powerful for him :lol:) so you have to use a summoning spell to get a sacrifice to send to the staue.

Still my observation stands, as he's the boss of Watcher's Keep.

Rats!!!
 

Fatal problem?

I dunno.

I suspect something is wrong.Details:
.. I bring the blood of the prince Kuo Toan to the Matron Mother Ardulace.Good.
Then I was invited from this son(daugheter) of the beach Phaere. OK. I left and directed to the Female Fighter's Society.
According to the game script some Taso Kala staying in front of the Female Fighter's Society, will demand to destroy a cult of another god.
No. He refused to speak with me??? Why???
Nevermind I met Phaere inside the Female Fighter's Society and she ask me to help in disposing Matron Mother Ardulace. She give me the Despana Treasury Key and some Fake Dragon Eggs.
In front of the temple, Solaufein NOT appears because I killed this one before. He had to give me set of false eggs.
Mind that I have no 2 false dragon eggs sets but one, which I placed when took the real eggs.
Now back to Phaere. I have no other choice and I hand the real eggs. She leaves and ask me to follow her soon.
No eggs with me - no false, no real.
Then some imp told me to take at any case these real eggs.
And the confusion started.
--Phaere waits me in the entrance of Temple with real eggs.
I am able to kill this woman and take the eggs but then the ceremony will not start and Lesser Demon will not kill Matron Mother Ardulace because of false eggs.
Without killed Matron I can not leave the city.

Where I am wrong?
:whops:

Q1: To fight Demogorgon (and there is no easy way I know of, so dear @hunvagy please PM it me or something) you have to install Throne of Baal expansion.
Anyway, to make a sacrifice to the Demogorgon in SoA's Underdark (that's where you're now) simply send any living creature on the sacrificial spot (any NPC or summoned creature will do).

Q2: The characters in the BG-series never eat.

Q3: Reading the manual is like reading the prologue, or the covertext, not like reading the last page. Hope you see my point.

Q4: YOU SHOULD NOT KILL PHAERE!!!
Here is the full description of the quest, when you killed Solaufein:
- you got the Blood required to the Ritual.
- meet/talk with Phaere in the Female Fighter's guild: she gives you False eggs.
- enter the Temple of Lolth, and exchange the Real Eggs with the Fake Eggs.
- go back to Phaere, and give her the Real Eggs.
- talk with the Imp.
- go to the Temple of Lolth, and the Ritual will start.
This is the only way to participate in the Ritual. But first listen some more.

Now Kaso Tala WON'T speak to you, because YOU ARE LATE. You would have gotten that quest BEFORE going to the Blood.

You CAN leave the Drow City anytime, IF you kill every single drow on the streets!

You CAN leave the Drow City also if during the ritual you interrupt it (when holding no eggs). Then you'll have to kill the Silver Dragon to be able to leave the Underdark.

But DO NOT let the ritual be completed fully when you killed Sholaufein! There you'd have to fight a demon what can only be hurt with +5 weaponry, and we all know your equipment is not top-notch.

Hmm. I read very carefully yr comment twice and prepare my answer.
The situation is not so clear as You think.
TY
:no:

Q2: The characters in the BG-series never eat.
I am not sure.
First, they are not yogs to live without food and second
there a ribbon on my BG interface stating:
Feed yr commandos regularly.

ha ha ha

1) The Ritual-situation:
a) kill Phaere, then kill everyone in Underdark (outside the buildings) to be able to leave
b) do not kill Phaere

See? Simple.

2) The Loading-screen's advice is about REAL YOGA, not your ingame party!

WEAPON AND ARMOR OF BRAVE ARMY
 

KMONSTER
Drow Longsworld+3
AC -5,Drow Full Plate+5, Bracers of Defence AC3,Helm of Baldustar

Imoen
Staff Mace
AC -4,Drow Adamantine Chain

Minsc
Drow Longsworld+3
AC -10,Drow Full Plate+5, Bracers of Defence AC7,Helmet, Drow shield+3

Jaheira
Staff of Thunder&Lighting
AC -7,Drow Full Plate+5, Bracers of Blinding strike, Pale Green Loun Stone as Helmet

Aerie
Mace of Distruption+1
AC -2, Hide armor, Helmet, Small shield+2

Korgan
Drow flail+3
AC -9,Drow Full Plate+5, Bracers of Defence AC4,Helm of Intravision, Fortress shield+3

Note: The symbol (-) after AC means minus.

No fight, no sacrifice. Have No expansion.

@Hunvagy
Q: Why a game is named Betrayer at Krondor?

Eggs Story. Funny of course
 

a) kill Phaere, then kill everyone in Underdark (outside the buildings) to be able to leave
b) do not kill Phaere

See? Simple.


Very.

But pls allow me to discuss some elements of this moment:
I will make some prerequistes.
First.
Are You agree that if a Ritual startes yoga looses.Why?Simple. No more Real eggs.
Nevermind my answers after this act. Silent or Not.

Cont..
So, You agree that I must have the real eggs before Ritual? How?
Your A:
b) kill Phaere.
Ok. I am sure You will not confuse me so I will try this way.
Then I have to kill all drows in the city. Hmm.. this is not easy task but barve does not know feeling Fear.

a)do not kill Phaere
This way is not acceptible for me.
Why, stupid?
yoga - because You do not say
1. She has the eggs. If she had the eggs Ritual will starts and yoga is kaput.
2. She has not eggs. We accept that real eggs are with yoga and he will kill this one as a part of all drows in the city. After your directions.

Second prerequiste
Yoga way -
What if I do not replace the real eggs with false ones and give these false to Phaere?
Have no answer. Have to try.

Third prerequiste
Yoga way N 2
What if the brave reload and not kill Solaufein?

Before minute
 

Second prerequiste
Yoga way -
What if I do not replace the real eggs with false ones and give these false to Phaere?
Have no answer. Have to try.

I tried.
Impossible.
The enemies know that act ( I cheat and not place false eggs) and start a massive attack against us.
Rats!
We are unable to win..

I hope you don't give up.

Some criticism:
- I sincerely hope you have spare equipment for when you leave the Underdark.
- things with fixed AC do not stuck, so wearing Bracers AC 7 with Full plate Mail +5 (=AC whatever) means the Bracer is just dead weight. (Some approtpriate bracers would be Gauntlets of Weapon Skill, or Gauntlets of Ogre Strenght, or Bracers of Archery - you see get the idea.)
- Korgan is a Dwarf, what means he has infravision. While Minsc is a human, what means he has not. Exchange their helmets.


PS: I continued my adventure, currently roaming the streets of BG. I'm cured from The Poison amongst other things.

Last attempt before reload
 

I hope to pass the game also.

Yes, I have some spare real weapons and armors for the surface. I know that when sunlight reaches the drow stuff it will vanish.

OK. Will change the Helmets you noted.

I decide to make last attempt: I will try to left the city with real eggs killing this beach and all drows in city.
If failed I will reload the moment before Solaufein dead.
This way I will do Kaso Tala subquest.

PS: You still alone in BG, madman?:D
Bravo if Yes.

Of course!

I'm still in Chapter5, from what I've left 2 separate minor mage-killing, the artifacts of Balduran (every little helps), and the fight against the Iron Throne.

I - as previously told - reached the exp-limit, so only looking for nifty items. Fortunatelly I do not have to fight Ankeghs.

Give the bracers AC3 and AC4 to Aerie and Imoen, they can only wear robes or chainmail made by elves (aka chain thieves like Imoen can wear) in their armor slot without blocking their ability to cast mage spells. When the drow chain disappears they still have decent AC without having to cast "ghost armor" or "spirit armor" (which is even better).

Is Aerie really wearing hide armor ? This blocks her ability to cast mage spells, throw it away so she can cast mage spells like Imoen. Don't have her ever wear anything but robes or chain made by elves in her body armor slot again, a mage who may not cast mage spells is pointless, just like a fighter who may not attack.

Q: Which weapon proficiencies do your characters have ? (You can see them if you scroll down the description on the right on character screen)

VICTORY
 

:smile2:
The brave will tell 2 words only.

I WON.

Details tomorrow morning.
Tired from so many battles I goto bed.
:)

Hooray to you!


PS: Me too passed to Chapter 6. I went to the Expansion-area, finished the Polar-Quest (the damn cloak has no stats, so I let the mage keep it), and decided not to bother with the werewolf-quest (it offers no items for me appart from a wand of magic missles). Tomorrow I'll try my luck against Durlag's Tower.

:3:Hooray to you!:3:

And good luck against Durlag's Tower. :hello:

Well, after many attempt I reload save file and start before the moment of Solaufein dead. This was very clever decision. This way I did Kaso Tala subquest.
Then I practicably have no problems.
Solaufein gives me new set of fake eggs, Ritual started, Matron was killed and GOOD surprise for me: After my words Lesser Demon Lord backs to his location!
Hurray! Now angry yoga killed this bitch and hurry to left the city already opened.
Before the door I had little bit serious attack but for the brave that was actually nothing. Ah, I lost one man (Korgan) but no live opponents and I easy resurrect my hero.
Another is history..
More news:
The victorious army of the brave just eliminated poor Bodhi - piece of cake!
But Korgan pressed me for some quest otherwise he will left.
Rats! I hate this acts. I want abs. disciplined army not bla-bla.

@Kmonster
Your usable advices to change Bracers of Imoen and Aerie with ones with AC 3, 4 helped me to reduce AC with 7 points! Nice!..

:3:
Bitte, nur ein moment!
Being in euphoria I still not provide You the info required.
YOU will understand me. Danke.:hello:

@Madman
Btw, Drizzt Do Urban helped me much in the last battle with legions of vampires before Bodhi.
Dear twillight, my deep bow before yr act of heroism.
One against BG1!!
It is a miracle.
You are the man, no stupid yoga.
Good Luck!
:hihihi:

I started to miss you yoga today because of promise. Good to hear you had no real problem now (you lucky that the game adjust difficulty to character's level, but still nice performance).

Did you get that halberd from the demon?

As we mentioned here, and Korgan told too when you hired him, you should have went to raid some tomb in (under) the Graveyard in Amn. Better hurry now, maybe you still have the time necessary.


PS: Thx for your compliment. Durlag's Tower took my whole day, but I walked all above-ground levels, and got what I wanted even from underground level 3. I wont go deeper (it has 6 level below), as the only thing I could get is a necklace of missles (or what) and a wand of monster summoning (it is useful, but I don't feel it'd worth it).
Just to mention: my "heroism" is mostly "cowardice". Boots of speed combined with backstab works wonders. And where it fails, there is simple stealth + casting fireball.

And as you gave your inventory again, I'll do the same:
Scimitar +3 (Eagle bow in backpack for change when ranged attack needed), Boots of Speed, Robe of the Evil Archmagi, Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise, The Horn of Kazgaroth (still not changed to amulet of protection +1), Golden girdle (+3 AC vs slashing weapons (aka. swords)), The Claw of Kazgaroth, Coak of Balduran, Kiel's Buckler
In quick items: fireball potions, wand of polymorphism, electric-immunity potion
Current stats: 10/21(20 base)/16(18 base)/19/20/9, AC -3, max. hp 49

Duel twillight vs yoga?
 

OK, twillight. I see You are very though gamer.
Do You want to start competition with yoga. Who of us both will finish the game first?
My location: I finished Bodhi and finished the subquest of Korgan: To find and kill and return the dead body of ranger Valuger Corthala, bandit from Docks, last located in his cabin in Umar Hills.
You know both games better than me. If You think You are in position far from yoga I will wait until You approaced me and then we will start? (Or I will perform some subquest until You advanced enough to start.) If yoga is after You , pls wait a momemt to go to your position.
We will ask dear Kmonster to be our referee.
:smile2:
@Kmonster
PROFICIENCES
KMONSTER, Imoen,Minsc,Jaheira,Aerie,Korgan

Basic THACO:1/15/4/8/11/1
THACO: -3/13/1/6/10/-1
Numbers of attacks: 7.5/1/1/2/1/1
Lore: 19/58/0/13/49/9
Reputation: 9 all
All script: None / All others Default

What is your opinion about some game after BG1/2 named Icewind Dale, if You know, pls?
Would be so kind to be referee of well respected twillight from Hungary and BG yoga (BG=Bulgaria, no Baldur gate)?
:whistling:

IWD is a lot more combat oriented then BG, but it is a very nice game. And it has one of the best soundtracks, ever :) If you can, play the GoG version, with Heart of Winter and Trials of the Luremaster installed.

No need to hurry through the game unless you're bored of it, you don't get a speed reward. If you're still having fun you might want do do a little sightseeing and do some sidequests in chapter 6, as soon as you fight Irenicus again you won't be able to return and do those things any more. But you don't get a reward for doing all quests either, so do what you wish.

I asked you about the weapon proficiencies, not the proficiencies. You get the character's weapon proficiencies when you scroll down, they're below the saving throws.

If the attacks per round you posted are correct Minsc and Korgan use a weapon they cannot handle properly, they should have at least 2.5 attacks per round.

I consider Icewind Dale better than the Baldur's Gate games. It's a honest, fair and balanced game which uses the same engine.

:smile2:
I am not bored of the game at all, Kmonster.
Contrariwise this is the best RPG (and BoK) I ever played.
Well, I will follow the advice and play all side quests first.

So, twillight, I cancel my offer for sport competition. Sry.
:ph34r:

No problem yoga, I couldn't accept it anyway. I have my own rythm you know.


About Icewind Dale:
It is a much more combat-oriented game (so much I wouldn't even call it an RPG), and there is no secret moneymaking spot either, so you literally have to carry even the last toothpick back home to sale to afford the good items.
It is also much harder in he sense you have to know to the core all your abilities and spells, and roll good stats at the beggining, or you'll simply not be able to advance after a certain point.

All in all if you ask me Icewind Dale is good to learn the AD&D-rules, but nothing else.

:smile2:
OK, Madman, we have time to cross our swords in the future, have not we?
Tell us about yr progress in BG.

The brave followed the Kmonster advise and started sub quests. Done quests:

1. Help Korgan to recover Kaza's book
2. Mazzy Fentan rescued
3. The final battle with Bodhi
4. The hunt for Valyger is over
5. The murders of Umar Hills stopped.
6? I buy 3 swords for 3 teenagers in Umar Hills

The quests are about 30 .

Q: May I change the places of my spells in books of my magician-ladies?Heal spells to be not mixed with battle spells? Possible?
Q2: Is there a category of Monk character?
:whistling:

Ok yoga:perv:

Q1: Sry, not possible.

Q3: Monks are categorised by the game as fighter's kit.


PS: My progress: I'm on the trail of Sharevok!
I've disposed his two assassins in the Undercellar. One was a mage, so no worry she caused, but the other was an able killing-machine. But he could not resist to my wand of polymorphism, and a simple squirel is no force against my magic missles!
I also saved the dukes! It was a clever battle: I had to use Otulike's Resilient Sphere constantly. Sharevok here was pathetic though, the guards pushed him into a corener, so we didn't cross our blades yet.

Icewind Dale has a lot of replayability too, because you create all party members yourself. For example a group of all-mages, who can cast six meteor-storms in one round, something quite interesting! :perv:

Guten Tag, Gnadige Herr Wicky,

Wie gеht es Ihnen?

Pls, I know YOU are brave gamer, tell me which game is better:Icewind Dale or BG saga. I know You played both.

Allow me to introduce You my friend from Hungary, dear twillight aka Madman, who dare to meet Sarevok alone?
Can You imagine?
Alone with some poor 49 HP Drizzt Do Urden?
I never in my life met such a hero!! Never.
It is a great pleasure for me to know such a Hero!

Note: My commandos did a miracle. Today in my battle in the quest - The murders of Umar Hills - I used spell to create fake Imoen to battle some lich.
..And I do not believe my eyes-This Imoen used spell and summons some other monster!!!
Unbelievable!! I swear !

It is very funny to transfer in Bear. Ha ha ha
In the past I played one RPG - sry forget the name- where the protagonist has option to change human interface with Bear..

Done sub quest added:
7. Madulf (ogre leader) and the village make arrangement
8. The Golem was activated
9. Animal trouble in Trademeet.

Basta!
The brave will open a cold beer in the garden and play games with his cat - Mimi.
:hihihi:

Aww I feel honored that you ask me about my opinion Yoga!
Well, which game is better, IWD or BG that depends entirely on you.

If you like
1) studying the spellbook for hours to find the spells which work best
2) gaining deep knowledge about the game-mechanics to use it for your advantage
3) tactical battles which test your skills to the bone (There's even a "heart of fury" difficulty in Icewind Dale, which will plain give every monster +200 hp and have them do double damage .. always)

then Icewind Dale is better.

However, if you rather have
1) Lots of roleplaying and interesting quests with a story behind
2) Romances, social interaction and funny personalities to meet
3) a game with emphasis on real characters (you can't always get the NPC with the stats you want, most of the time you have to get along with what they have, except your self-created main character)

then Baldur's Gate is better.

And I do prefer the IWD series, because you have to make all decisions yourself, without a guide telling you where to go.
But when I played BG when it came out 10 years ago, also liked it. Only that just today, from the roleplay and stories of BG I hardly remember anything.

That's what makes the Simulacrum and Project Image spells (whichever is the one you used) so great - imagine you're a Wizard or Sorcerer, you cast Project Image, your created duplicate summons helpful monsters to battle with you (and characters duplicates created with Simulacrum / Project Image can summon as many monsters as you like, unlike the real characters who can summon not more than 5 together), you kill the duplicate, cast another Project Image, summon even more helpful monsters and send this huge horde of summoned critters against the enemies. With this tactic you would be undefeatable, which is why it is so widely used in Baldur's Gate II.
However it can make the game quickly far too easy - boring, so better don't overuse it.

There is any doubt that baldurs gate is a better series than icewind dale.

Haha. Was that a question "Is there any doubt that baldurs gate is a better series than icewind dale??"
I do not understand what you are trying to say.

@yoga

I'm at the very gate of Sharevok! All his goons lie in the ashes, only the final battle is at hand! Wish me luck. (Although I'll go back some shoping first:ouch:)

12 sub quests done already
 

Good morning, all AB members,

The brave has pleasure to inform that yesterday he finished 3 more quests:
10. Dealing with Trademeet genies
11. A mage's proposal
12. Captured by Mind Flayers - Mama mia, Capo! 10 hours I fighting with Mind Flayers and similar Vlitharids!! Because both type monsters are very similar I did mistake and recruited Vlitharid instead of Flayer. But this monster helped me much when Flayer opened the last door and attacked me (Before some giant brain).
Pls, what is for YOU the hardest quest?

@Kmonster
I setup the weapons of Minsc and Korgan and now they both have 2.5 attacks
Info:
Weapon proficiences
KMONSTER
Bastard swords ++++
Cross bow +++
Long bow ++

Imoen
Dagger +
Quarter staff +
Short bow +
Dart +

Minsc
Bastard swords ++
Long sword +
2 handed sword ++
Mace ++
Long bow ++
2 weapon style ++

Jaheira
Scimitar ++
Club ++
Spear +
Quarter staff +
Sling +
Sword an Shield style +

Aerie
War hammer +
Club +
Mace +
Quarter staff +
Sling +

Korgan
Bastard sword ++
Axe ++++
War hammer +++

Q: May I start Multi play with for example Hunvagy or twillight of BG2?
Q2: Pls in a mean time tell me what do You think about W7 and BG1/2 and ID, knowing my possibilities. Ty

Wicky
Danke sehr for yr competent analys.:smile2:

Scatty
Yes, Master, it is very nice to have such a horde. :)

My humble opinion as very novice is that BG2 is impossible hard if a gamer does not use the spells.

:2thumbs:

That's what I wanted to do with you in the beginning of the thread :D
Though I'm not sure if you noticed or understood it, besides I always install with Throne of Bhaal expansion so it wouldn't work without both having the same type of installation (with or without expansion + COMPLETE installation only) AND the exact same patch version of the game. Not sure how it works with custom mods being installed, suppose everyone needs to install those too.
There's also a need for custom portraits used being placed in both / all player's PORTRAIT subfolder of Baldur's Gate II folder, same for custom made items (OVERRIDE folder) if used, custom sound files (SOUNDS folder) etc. etc.

If you need another player, I'd gladly join :3:

Sadly I have a BGT-Weidu install pimped out with a lot of gamechanging stuff, and not really keen on doing the 3 hour install again.

Install simple SoA and ToB? Doubt it would bother with that.

yoga-the best player of BG2 !!!
 

OK, Master,
but I want to be a team with the Madman (I wish YOU twillight big success in your last bloody battle. I know, I am sure You will win) and Kmonster against You and 2 more gamers.
:D
3 versus 3.. nice commandos.

Today I did my 13-th quest:
13. Coran and the welfare. (Tragical history of ruined love).

I started some quest for Eyeless cult but make fail allowing dead of vital NPC Sassar and reload again.

OFF:
Победа будет за нами. (We will win).

ha ha ha

yoga the brave...:3:

The mind flayers of Eye of the beholder 2 are way more evil :smile2:

Yep, BG2 is not for some lowlevel scum, but midlelevel group, what means special abilities, spells, nifty magic items and so on are a must. I wonder still what'd your opinion be on Throne of Baal:lol: (There is nothing like the feeling of "oh it's just another Composite Longbow +3, throw it on the dunghill".)

Hardest quests for me:
- in BG1 (appart from the final battle against Sharevok): protecting the two dukes on one side, the assassin-attempt at Friendly Arm Inn (it comes VERY early), and finally finding the Manual of Bodily Health.
- in Tales of the Sword Coast I vote on the Werewolf Island
- in BG2 Kangax the Demi-Lich is one, fighting the demon during the ritual in the drow city is the hardest battle, and maybe the Planar Sphere is for three. Oh, and THE MOST HIDDEN QUEST's title goes to the Limited Wish Adventure!
- in Throne of Baal I'd vote Yaga Shura, but I have the feeling You'd have the problem with Sendai:perv: And the Hidden Quest's title of course goes to the Quest of the Pantaloons.

Throne of Baal:lol: ?

You kidding me, Madman!
I know nothing about that throne..:p
This morning a small bird informed me that it seen your crucified skin outside door of Sarevok fortress.
True?
I am crying all the day..:3:


The brave just passed
N 14. Cult of Eyeless..
(Piece of cake).

@Capo
I know this nice game EOTB 2 and all saga.
Pls see my game list to see yoga's favorites.
Memories, memories..

Q: Pls have I a spell like Far sight?
:D:D

The whole BG-series is about ascension to Throne of Baal yoga.

Also replace your spies. I attach my character's screen just before my killing blow on Sharevok.

Yes, you have spells like Far Sight. Check the Divination spells, like Clairvoyance.

Attachment 1503

3 times Hurray!!
 

You did it?
At last I can say: Ty, my Good!
We are again free of that nightmare.

You are a great and wonderful being for what you have done. May the gods smile upon You forever for killing Sarevok!
Amen..:D

Now seriously. It is a real miracle, twillight. I suppose you beat the game with excellent spell's usage.

..and the brave has some humble progress. New done quests.

15. Investigate circus tent - cake
16. Find the boy mum inside circus - abs. cake
17. Sir Kelborn returns to heart - see above
18. Intrigue with Jarlaxle - Inferno ..
I did this quest, but subquest below - not.
Wow. To be fair, I was beaten (such a shame) when entered House Jee'llat.
Even I beat the first wave of 14-16 Jee'llat guards, new and more strong wave appeared when move East.
The worst of all is that the brave can not use Sleep and can not leave this hall to rest outside because when one left the hall no back is possible. Rats!!
:3:
There are some quests yoga can not do because of circumstances beyond my control.
A. Anomen returns home - no Anomen in my party
B. Gernd's child - no Gernd in my party
C. Bring poison man to his friends - random encounter!! Moreover I am not DHL but brave hero! Who will free the world? Of course, super yoga..
I do not want to wait for Godo, who never comes. ha ha
:D

Neverwinter nights? What, the hell, is this? Game, music or video?

:ninja:

1) Neverwinter Nights is another AD&D cRPG-series along Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate and Planescape Torment (do not play this last one, it is absolutly not your style).

2) I surprisingly used little variety of spells. Hide in Shadow was in constant use (thief ability) with Boots of Speed. Of course I used all the elite items, no mention of those. Also rarely (mostly at the beggining) used arrows, mostly acidic or ice ones (I spared some piercing ones against Sharevok, but they were not needed).
The spells I used:
Identify (mostly bought in temples, but still), Magic missile (with two Ring of wizardy you have tons of this), Larchor's minor drain (during the first half of the game for evil healing), Strength (mostly for carrying superheavy obstacles ocasionally), Mirror image (best defensive spell ever), Fireball (can be cast out of view, area damage), Invisibility (when hide in shadow fails). Otulike's resilient sphere to save the dukes, and FindTrap-improving potions during the later stages. Some 0AC potions and Protection from petrification scrolls too.
And that's all.

Now I go and install BG2.

21 done quests
 

:hihihi:
I see, I know You are real Wizard@Mage.
Bravo!This is result, I presume, of many times playing BG.

..and humble yoga:

19. Find kidnappers who buried alive man
20. Solve "the skinner murders" in Bridge district
21. Mae'Var treachery

Impossible:
D. Cleric Stronghold - I am no cleric
E. Free Djinn - closed entrance

Now, twillight, relax a little with beer or alike before hunt to Irenicus.

:whistling:

No, it is not. NWN uses 3e rules, so it's not AD&D, it's D&D. And yes, I am nitpicking. Actually IWD2 was already D&D 3. And yes, I do agree PS:T is not for yoga, you acutally have to read :hihihi:

@TK: Hmm.. No. I will not play against a dumb AI, that can be offed by shooting fireballs off-screen and general cheating techniques. I played too much ToEE to get a satisfaction from that. And not playing a thief kit without Rogue Rebalancing either. Plus yoga has no ToB.

TY, hunvagy.
BTW, You still not answer me why a game is named Betrayer at Krondor. Consider word Betrayer.
Yes, I hate the looooooooooooooooong monologues for absurd things (type bla-bla).
Hunvagy, pls , see my list of Favorite games. I played much more RPG and I am bored of these endless fabricated stories of game creators.
See Doom2. Simple. Grab AK47 and goto free the world.
Not for nothing was Doom2 the best ever game of 20-th century.
:hihihi:

22. Rescue Haer'Dalis

If you mean the same game I think you mean, and there's only one game with such name, it's actually called Betrayal at Krondor.
It's name has to do with (yes, you guessed it right!) a betrayal at the city of Krondor, in a fictional world created by Raymond Feist. This betrayal becomes evident as the story in the game progresses.

Actually in Doom2 there is any AK47 :bleh1:

Master, excellent explanation as usually. :hihihi:

Caro Capo, I am using some hyperbolas, Y'now.. :3:
The brave is able to dismantle and assemble AK47 (Автомат Калашникова from 1947) with closed eyes.
In the real life the brave is commander of 10 tanks.
Yes, I swear in my dad.
You understand me very good even YOU for Juventus, but yoga is for Lazio.:whistling:

the brave progress:
..
23. Rescue Raelis @ Haer'Dalis from planar prison - cake.

Q: In FO2 I know how monsters are killed by me and my party. Same option in BG?
:lol:

25. Jansen returns to his home
26. Free Hendak and slaves
27. Gain the services of Sir Sarles
28. Another mission for temple

You mean hoy MANY? Well, you can see how many kills your party did, and how many % (by experience) the individual partymembers were involved, also what was the "strongest" thing certain character eliminated. Click on "Record", then "Information".


PS: I just left behind Irenicus' dungeon.
Sme things I was not aware of: 1) I can't wear 2 Ring of Wizardy :huh: 2) The Moonblade of Xan can not be imported to BG2 :wacko: Blast it, I counted on the weapon!
Also I think some kind of bug occured, so now I have 2 Helm of Balduran:omg:

Merci:smile2:

Xan's Moonblade? I thought that was only usable by him, no?

There are actually few items named Moonblade in Baldur's Gate II, one of them being a weapon, though (not knowing for sure since I never played BG1 through yet) unlike in BG1 it's a pretty simple blade without any special properties, maybe looking good but otherwise not worth anything. Also the weapon needs to be inserted with a cheat code or with savegame editor like ShadowKeeper, not being placed in any of the ingame areas.

@Tomekk @Scatty

You all are such amateurs.
1) I specifically said Moonblad OF XAN. So it is not the Moonblade from the last chapter.
2) With ToB installed there is a High Level Ability "Use Any Item". There goes the "useable only by Xan" part:hello:
3) No, it need not to be inserted by some hack. You have equipment when you import your character, and you can hide them the same way Minsc hides Boo.


Questions:
- How Stronghold-quests are handled in the case of multiclass characters? This seems especially important, as Gaelen seemed to direct me to the thieves, while Brus told me to check out the wizards.
- Is it possible to Dualclass more then once? I mean you can have cool stats, and triple-classes are avaiable for multiclass, so as I see it should be an option.

Amateurs? Didn't you say yourself it can not be imported into BG2 @3? And who said it's the quest item Moonblade from the last chapter? If you read again what I wrote, I said there is a weapon item also called Moonblade, if I recall correctly. The only way you can get it in the game is through editor or inserting cheat. Always rushing off to call others dumb, tsk tsk :p
If you take one stronghold as a multiclass, you won't get the other one anymore. So choose wisely.

Pfff, why people not use mind.
1) I said all BG1 items can be imported via an exploit (so it isn't a cheat, especially as Minsc does the same). The named thing though can not be imported into gameplay.
2) I told that the item is "Moonblade of Xan", and I spit on the name of the item.

3) Thx for the answer you gave on ONE of the TWO questions I've asked.

PS: I'm currently level 11/12, and only bothered with the Circus Tent and Mencar Peblecrusher, thx to the possibility of erasing spells. Before anyone asks, I got the gold from the secret moneymaking spot (no, that's not entering any cheatcode, but trading with the thief-merchant in Wauken Promenade).

Restore Kangaxx's Body
 

Amateurs?

It is not true for Master, dear Mage.
Yes, yoga is Amateur, but no Master at all.

:hihihi:

28.Helping Tiris in Trademeet
29. Kill Roger's Sea Troll
30. Locate Caretaker
31. What happen with Monteron?

Tomekk was right. Bad time for brave.
I have big trouble with this Kangaxx Lich (22000 HP).
It hit me with spell Imprisonment and I am helpless.
This monster is 9 level mage.

Never mind I will try some more time and basta of Sub quests.

No, no this game had to be played at least 10 times to became a master.
:hihihi:

If you can reach the part it casts imprisonment, here is a tip: Korgan's berserker rage makes that dwarf immun to imprisonment!

Another challenge for you yoga: The Rogue Stone Doorway. Excelent test of skill what I forgot about until now!

PS: Let's see how many times I've played this game:
- Avenger druid
- Monk (can be considered a fighter baseclass)
- Ranger
- Blade bard
- Wild Mage
- and currently with mage/thief multiclass (can be considered thief baseclass).
I think I'll never play a priest/paladin. I'm not for that gods-buissness, and as the protagonist becomes a god, it'd be out of character I say.

:whistling:
Dear Mage,

You reach so high level of mastery in BG 1/2 that You are able to choose various protagonists and beat the game.
Yes, You have already built strategy for the gaming and is easy for you to overcame cases where the brave simply give up and starts endless Q.

Thank You very much for advising me conc. Korgan ability.

PS: Where are You? Need help?:hihihi:
Just call me and I will back to support yr party.
Pls tell me the members of yr gang? Mine?
The same old gang of
KMONSTER, Imoen, Minsc and his hamster Boo, Jaheira, Aerie and Korgan.

Is it possible for example to disband some member, leave him in some inn, accept new one in the party, accomplish the quest, then back and rejoin the original member?

OFF
Excuse me, Mage, do You finish LBA1? I did LBA2 and cancel LBA1 because of terrible save process.

the brave

Off
But why well respected Kmonster is so silent?
Are YOU OK, Kmonster?
If I am the reason for yr absence, pls. accept my deep bows and excuses.
:hello:

1) Yes, I've finished LBA1.

2) It is totally possible to temporarily change your party. All members tell where you can re-hire them after separating (or you can tell them to wait where they are). But beware, if you ever disband your romantic interrest, the romance will be screwed!

3) I'm still loner. I finished the first special "between-area" encounter (got that +2 shortsword), fought a duel in the Copper Coronet, freed all slaves in the Slum, scared away the serial-murder (I wonder why you can wear the nonupgraded human flesh armor unidentified, but not after it), got Lilarcor, saved Viconia, bought magic-licence, upgraded the Horns of Valhalla, and unlocked all areas to be able to access. Finaly just to mention I wear the "you have 19 STR" belt, so no longer suffer weight-problems.

bought magic-license
:doh:
What!!!
That's why I am attacked from some Wizards in the towns when I release a spell with words" Y're unlicensed"
Oh, poor yoga.
OK. Next time when I start again the game I will know this fact...and many more.

Wish me luck in the battle with this f...d lich from sarcophagus.
:3:

You can dismiss a party member anywhere and tell to wait here or elsewhere. When the party member was unhappy at dismissal (reputation/alignment) it's possible that (s)he will leave forever, so just save before trying this and don't overwrite this savegame before (s)he rejoined.
The main reason I was silent was that I had to work, there's also no advice needed for the optional sightseeing you're doing now.
You've become an average BG2 player now, the evil BG2 has sought you in. The game is about powergaming, metagaming and walkthrough hugging and you're obviously doing just this, eliminating quests from a walkthrough step by step.
But don't feel bad, that's the way BG2 seems to be intented to be played (and is played by experts). If you'd take the story serious and try to find Irenicus as fast as possible (he stole your soul and therefore you're dying, he's also doing horrible things now) you'd miss half the game.
For roleplaying there are other games out there, like Icewind Dale.
I feel guilty about telling you that you can go sightseeing since I didn't want you to miss half the game. Normally Yoga the brave would have done what's to be done, chased after and stomped the evil Irenicus to the ground in no time, just like Sarevok in BG1, just spitting on the game's evil temptation to grind (most players do this grinding while Imoen is rotting in jail and getting Irenicus' special treatment). Now you've become a normal BG2 player.


About Kangaxx: There are many ways to handle him. The sane way is not reviving such a powerful evil being at all. If you cannot resist:
- just pickpocket him before he gets hostile and run away afterwards.
- berserker rage makes immune like twillight wrote
- Imprison is an abjuration spell, mages get spell immunity as level 5 spell.
- You can have a few powerful summons hit him so fast that he doesn't get off his spell.
- Kangaxx is undead so you can use a "protection from undead" scroll
- He uses magic so you can use a "protection from magic" scroll like Wicky stated
...

Oooh, you consider playing it AGAIN? (Do it with ToB if possible!)

I wish you luck in the battle with this f...d lich from sarcophagus. :3:

PS: My progress: I solved the orphan's problem, got the Spider Figurine (I'm big fan of summon creature once per day items), got the Silver Pantaloon (you yoga better off instead with the exp instead of the ransom as no ToB at you), did the other special random encounter (the poisoned man + Xzar). I also managed to save Nevin's ass, and as I had to haste myself killed the Crypt King as well. Before I forget: I busted Jan out of prison, disposed the Pirates of the Sea Bounty, and last but not least saw the first dream.

Thank YOU, mates, You very kind.

I write very carefully your advices 'bout the Lich and prepare to use them.
But in lovely BG is bed time and tired yoga goto bedroom to sleep and recovers his power before tomorrow morning last battle with the Lich.

Total:
I did about 31 sub quests + 7-8 undone because of circumstances beyond my control (had to be Cleric, I am Fighter,..Anomen or Nalia in my party etc.)
After Kmonster and the Mage directions I am able to do some of these quests but.... well, I am lazy beggar.. and leave them for second gameplay with installed ToB.
Actually, I did some of Undone quests, but not mentioned because the are abs. piece of cake.

To be fair I did not complete a sub quest of sub quest namely I can not enter a room in Underdark, in drow sector, in Jae'llat room. This act will be done by my friend from nice Hungary, the perfect Mage.:D

Yes, I am not super yoga, but humble mortal with all human vices and defects.

Good night, everybody from AB, guten Nacht.
:hello:

Don't take the game too seriously, just have fun.
You can fight Irenicus and start the next chapter any time you like.
Don't use a walkthrough for chapter 7, you don't need it.

QUESTION:
As a thief (multiclass I am, but let's talk about all cases) will I be able to side Bodhi in Chapter 3? Or the whole question is based on the choice of the Stronghold? Or I found a hoax during my search on the net?

You won't (just ask Bodhi) unless you exploit.

Won't what?


EDIT: I did a test-run (cheated in 15K gold), and Bodhi welcomed me in her ranks. So the remaining question is, being singleclass thieves or aquiring the thief-stronghold is factor in the question or not. Multiclass thieves can work for Bodhi otherwise.

..Bloody fighting with Kandanxx the Lich all the morning.

and more that humble result

..Kandaxx barely injured..

!?:D Rats!

When fighting Kangaxx you have to win 2 battles.
First you have to defeat the lich. After you've won you have to defeat the demilich who casts imprison all the time.
Both monsters can only be hurt by +4 weapons or better.

Here's how I did it in my game:
The rest of the party waited out of sight while the mage fixed Kangaxx and cast polymorph self (mage level 4) to turn into slime which is immune to magic. Then just wait until the lich has used all his spells (eventually the other party members have to shoot his summons from the distance)
Then Jaheira summoned a few fire elementals, they got buffed and hasted and beat Kangaxx until he became a demilich and continued to beat him until he was defeated forever.

Hurray!Hurray!Hurray!
Once again. Bravo.
Noch ein mal.


Yes, I won. That f.....d monster is out.


--Really? You did it, brave? Pls explain..


Oh. First a breath of relaxing..Terrible combat. Believe me, mates.


The monster is Mage 9-th level. It uses all possible spells – Imprisonment, True sight, Time stop and many more + summon Efreeti.
Its power is 22 000 HP. Repeat 22 K HP .
More over it has 2 life levels.
1-st level is of ordinary Lich. It was no problem to damage so much that to transformed to 2-nd level.
The problems started when it became Kandaxx Demi-Lich.
It transformed in a flying small head-like, which with Imprisonment spell very fast make me down.


--OK, brave. How do you finished the monster?
Very, very hard. Absolutely hard. Maybe this is one of my hardest battle in my life as gamer.
This battle is harder than one in FO2 when yoga left the 3-th floor of killed boss (and that was great mistake) and was attacked by million of killers.


Well, my first target was Crom Fayer. To be prepared this weapon the smith Cromwell asked me for:
Hammer of Thunderbolts+3 – I have.
Crom fayer scroll - I have.
Gauntlets of Ogre power – I have.
Girdle of Frost giant Strength - I have not.
So, back to Underdark, then sacrifice animal before statue of Demogorgon, killed the Demon king for above stuff.


Used:

1. Pick pocket in very, very beginning. The result : 2 rings of Gaxx.
2. Spell Wizard eye
3. Spell Immune
4. Spell Protection from Magic
5. Scrolls of Undead
6. Spell Freedom – for member, hit by Imprisonment spell.

Note: Both last (N4,5) spells used when the monster was in the second – Demilich state. Very important. Because Scrolls of Undead are 7-9 pieces only.
They may used only by Mages.


+ spell Righteous Magic – This spell makes the priest (Jaheira) a real Juggernaut of destruction.


But pls do not think that with these measures the brave won very easy. No, Not, Nein, Het.
During the endless battles and reloads yoga was forced to use Rod of resurrection when Jaheira and Aerie were killed (They have memo spells Raise dead). Gladly I have this stuff, because I make a mistake thinking that scroll Raise dead can help me in case when 3 ladies are killed. I do not realized that only ladies may use that scroll not the fighter KMONSTER. And gladly I keept spare equipment in Graveyard crypt.
I do not understand why some scrolls are not possible to be memorized.

Ah, nothing more!!!

• Lily, (aside), pls give me some cold and good. (Cola or Beer or both- ha ha ha).Merci.
  I think I won because the good Mage wished me big luck.

Happy yoga..
:hihihi:

Congratulations for winning this battle in an epic way. :2thumbs:
As reward you're officially allowed to sing this song now:

http://www.baldurdash.org/kangaxx.html

I don't know where you took this data from, yoga, but it is definitly false. The lich-form is a regular lich with 2-500 HP, and the Demilich-form has ca. 100 HP only (the Ring of Ram can take 1/3 of its hitpoint, that's where I figure).

PS: I killed Valeria's band, and got Illithium.

Here are the stats for lich and demilich form:


Kangaxx the Lich
HP: 126/126 XP: 22000

Armor Class 0
THAC0: 9
Number of Attacks: 1
Resistances: Slashing 0% Piercing 0% Crushing 0% Missile 0%



Kangaxx the Demi
HP: 50/50 XP: 55000

Armor Class -6
THAC0: 9
Number of Attacks: 1
Resistances: Slashing 90% Piercing 90% Crushing 90% Missile 90%

Hehe, mixing XP with HPXD

PS: Disposed Anarg's fallen paladins, disposed the Sea Troll, disposed Tarnor's mercenaries, disposed Raksasha, disposed the elemental lich, disposed the lich in the city gate district and saw the second dream (I go for the Slayer-change).

So sorry, Mage, for my confusion to mix HP and XP.
Really, it is ridiculous.
Excuse me..
:3:

You disposed Sea Troll? Bravo, you real Hero..
ha ha ha

Do not forget Underdark hall of Jae'llat, mate.
If You beat these monsters I will take a traveling Robe and by food will go to Hungary to bow personally before your front door.Promise. :bleh1:

...Advancing to the Palace in the last town...

That? Piece of cake. Lots of summons and well equipped fighter characters for support, and few healing potions. That fight in House of Jae'llat is easier than the one with Double-Kangaxx, if you know how.
Best prepare the tickets for the journey already, I have no doubt twilight will manage that with his left hand alone.

:smile2:
Really?
I will try again. If Yes I have to change direction (no any ticket,Sir, but step by step, by foot as worshiper) and goto
Other side of the sky.
But where is this side anyway?

yoga the worshiper:whistling:

Give my soul Irenicus or die, scum!!!
 

:smile2:

Woot, I wish you luck, Irenicus (and the pocket plane itself) is no small task even after you see all those things (fortunatelly. Very well made game this is. I only miss the options being chaotic in the concersations, as unlike in the 1st part, it rarelly allows).

On that demon in question: if it is as most demon effected by protection from evil, then piece of cake. Otherwise I'll leave that thing alone. But that pormise sounds exciting:mischief:

PS: I found the Lathender ring, and got the third dream.

A challenge: If you can disarm the trap on the painting in the house you get the Illithium from (Bridge district, Derelict house if I'm not mistaken), you'll earn my respect. Oh wait, too late :suspicious:
Also if anyone finds the thief-encounter during night in the Graveyard District, I'd be curious. Seems even as it is in the walkthroughs, it is a nonexistant event.

To be the bad guy again.. did you actually READ what we wrote in the other thread? That only mages can use mage scrolls, and only clerics can use clerical scrolls? The only one that anyone can use is a few of the protections scrolls afaik, like protection from magic and stone to flesh. And the reason why the 'ladies' can use it, because they have divine magic levels, druid, cleric and so on. Oh and since clerics don't memorize shit, clericals scrolls can't be scribed. But why am I even bothering, you are too tough and badass to fucking read how the game is supposed to work right? It's a lot better to spam page after page of stupid questions, which all can be answered if you read the INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

That trap can not be disarmed. As an oversight from the game developers, it's disarm value is actually set to ridiculously high values or something like that, so no thief can get enough disarm trap skill points for it.
If I recall correctly, fixed with Throne of Bhaal Fixpack 1.12. Or one of the later ones, but I use only 1.12 as the newer ones were/are developed by another new team, and have too many unwanted changes for my taste. Fixpack's 1.12 changes can be all installed separately though.

Hey Yoga!!!!
Not bad, not bad at all :max:

You did it without the scroll of magic protection, but that's very brave.

the brave advance
 

:D
Danke sehr, dear Wicky.
Your compliment make me very happy.
Merci.

:smile2:
@Hunvagy
aka bad boy

As usually YOU are right to criticize the brave.
With few exceptions.
Anyway I have no power to be your opponent besides I am in AB to enjoy in friendly jokes not to attack gamers.
I keep my power to attack Kandaxx-like creatures not nice Hunvagy.
(Moreover Yoga philosophy is "harmony at cosmos level").
I am real yoga. I swear in my dad.
YOU are not bad boy at all.
yoga is kidding again.:OK:

@Mage
Hey, twillight, how You doing?
Still alone and still mad?
For me You are real kamikaze.
(Japanese pilot who sacrificed in suicide attack).
You do not want to free your lovely sister?
Do not like Minsc, Edwin and alike?
How do You carry so many valuable stuff?

@Irenucus
Last warning!
I am giving you 10 minutes only to free my soul.
Then you will be dead.
:dislike:

Go to hell, scum!!
 

I will kill you again, is necessary.

the brave

:smile2:

I've rescued Haer Dhalis (from mage and planar prison too). The Master of Thralls were immun to invisibility, so I had to sleep there to memorise lots of minute-meteor. And why if I'm charmed loose the game? In the first part I was perfectly safe when charmed, dammit! (But the sword of the Cambion at least has protection from that:sick:)
Otherwise I'm currently waiting for the merchant&tug episode in the Gate District, and until that I clean non-questrelated areas (like the dungeon under the Graveyard, where Korgan has his quest - but I don't have Korgan, right?). After that I plan to go Tradesmeet to eliminate the Druid's grove. And if I succeed there, I'll make my route to Nalia's tower (from where we'll see).

I'm still alone, Chaotic Evil.

One of my favourite tactic is sneaking into the middle of a group, backstab, then imediatelly cast Sunfire (a fireball-like spell, what has the center on the mage, made for this kind of play exactly, because otherwise not partyfriendly).

I WILL free Imoen, but after she's free, I'll let her remain free. To spread chaos. Or maybe I should kill her to avoid competition?
Anyway, my favourite NPC is Jan Jansen with all the stories (did you know he was a god temporarily, when that god went vacation or something? That reminds me...). And Edwin, as he is pure mage with +3 spells per level (1 from being specialist, 2 more for being EDWIN). But this time I'll go alone (did you know there's an easter-egg at the challenges before Irenicus - already in the PocketPlane - if you play without party?).

There are not to many valuable stuff I had to realise. There are tons of stuff to gear up a full party, but strangely not too many things for a lone character (unlike in BG1) to be exceptional.
Otherwise, what'd I need? I already have ca. 100 in all thief-skills (except in pickpocket, what is mainly useless, and walk in silence what I see no purpose at all no matter how hard I see), and I'm a capable mage (even if not exceptional). There are some once-per-day items, and some limited-charge items (wands, potions, scrolls) stored in container what I pack in occasionally via metaknowledge, but there is really no meaning being a packrat. I usually only carry in the backpack a Ring of Ram, Claw of Kangax (the Ring of Regeneration is usually more useful, and I'd change both for Kangaxx's ring), and a bow.

Sry, Irenicus not Irenucus
 

Bravo!
Probably YOU are the best player of BG saga.
(Excuse me Master, Kmonster, Hunvagy, Wicky, Tomekk etc.):smile2:

Can You be so kind telling me more about Egg, Pantaloons quests?
Note I have no expansion.

You killed that f.....d lich from sarcophagus?:)

..I am still able to return for some challenge being not in the Hell.
Edwin and Talia are in Cooper Coronet inn.
Edwin is located in NW corner, just at upstairs.
Do You release the slaves in this location?
Do You killed that bitch in Underdark?

I decided (because the game is so nice) to back and make all subquests, knowing the fact that I may left some character in some inn and then rejoin.

@Hunvagy
Q: Would be so kind, Bad boy, in a mean time explain me the strange final scene: My protagonist is thrown in lava from gang of monsters?
Why? I am winner,Yes?
Or this is a well known trick of game creators to continue the game?
Thanks a lot.

yoga the brave aka winner
:OK:

BTW, where are you, brave?
--In the last room with 5 enemy halls and a big final door, after which is I suppose is Irenicus. But how many lives has that scum??:whistling:

New done quests
 

I did 2 more quests:
34. Rescue Garnn's child from Firkraag (big red dragon)
and
35. The de'Arnise keep has been cleared (sadly Nalia's father was dead already).

These tasks were accomplished recruiting Nalia in my party. After that I returned to Cooper Coronet to see that lovely Aerie lays down on the floor dead!!!! WHY??
And Nalia leaves my party.

Never mind I join Edwin Conjurer with me..

There are no many remaining quests for the brave..:3:

Y'now some are impossible to BE done because they require another leader not KMONSTER. Impossible..

one more
 

36. The dueling families in Trademeet

Note: I did mistake speaking Aerie is dead.
No.
She is alive in the Circus tent and I rejoined she again disbanded Edwin.
Sry, Mage, I like more Aerie that Edwin.

That's not your character, that's Irenicus... did you even bother looking at his portrait or read where the heck your character and him ended up at the game's ending?

And yes, the game continues, since there exists a certain obscure expansion pack called Throne of Bhaal :p

1) Yes, I killed two liches already.

2) The Pantaloon Quest is about being super-gubber. If you collect all three pantaloon, a smithy in the expansion of BG2 will hammer(!) them together into a RIFLE with 3 kinds of ammo, and a MECHA-suit!!!


PS: I explored all areas in Amn, met the Merchant&Thief encounter, and killed Anomen. He was foolish enough to attack the Walking Force, just because I told him he is like a squirel in pants when we met in the Coper Coronet. Some people:whops:
I just passed the Guarded Compound too.

OK, Tomekk, but I suppose that is impossible to install the expansion ToB when one finished the ordinary BG?

@Mage
You make gigantic progress, hero!!
Keep that direction!!
How many sub quests do You finish?
I did 37 already and 8 impossible because of non accepted requirements. (KMONSTER TO BE PALADIN, CLERIC OR BARD)

Actually I am ready to smash Irenicus for 2-nd time and more if necessary.

I am the brave, that I am.

Hero of heroes, gamer of gamers..

:whistling:
:rolleyes:
:smile2:

1) ToB allows to import characters from nonexpanded BG2 games. Playing SoA while ToB is already installed allows you to reach ToB with a much higher exp, that's the only difference.

2) If you read back here, I listed all quests of BG2 I accomplished. There are some quests I can not accomplish because of the lack of party (including romance-issues), and of course no chance on stronghold-quests.
In BG1 there were quests for male only, evil only, thief only - and I had all the requirements. In BG2 there was a quest depending on good reputation (I made it), and I'm currently try myself in Trademeet, where the druidic quest requires to have a druid - what I lack - to do it the good way, and I hear 2 quests depend on completing that by not poisoning the grove.

You also get the elite special abilities or spells (for spellcaster characters) after level 25 or like that I think, that were introduced with Throne of Bhaal, like for example Whirlwind Attack (10 attacks / round for 1 round for fighters) or Summon Good / Evil Planetar (Wizards / Sorcerers) or Deva (Clerics) which are among the best and strongest summoned creatures that can be summoned. Talk of powergaming, but you'll need those abilities in ToB, they also help well in SoA to deal with liches and similar, or while in Underdark.

@Scatty
While importing, you are allowed to gain the missing abilities, just like when impoting from BG1 to BG2.

EMERGENCY
What is the requirement of "Summon Dark Planetar"?
I know it is not restricted from me (cheated to try), but currently it is no option. Any idea?

You need at least 3,000,000 XP as mage so you can memorize and cast level 10 spells.

Thx. I found this info nowhere.

In exchange I tell you how to be ABSOLUTELY INVINCIBLE:
Equip yourself with Carsomyr, Human Flesh Armor, the Amulet of Seldarine and the Ring of Gaxx.
At the Tear of Fear choose Good Reward, at the Tear of Selfishness choose Good Reward again.
Voilá: 100% immunity to magic, and immunity to +1 weapons or less. Ok, immunity to magic doesn't mean immunity to magic weapons, but still attractive, eh?

Would be too easy and too boring quickly. 90% resistance is better in my opinion, that way the countless spellcasters in the game are still a bit challenging and need countermeasures to be taken against being hit by them.

Yep, might be a little bit cheesy, so change Carsomyr with Cloak of Balduran. Fits more charactertypes, and allows only 75% resistance. I hope this wouldn't allow healing from any offensive magic strucks the character if all included:woot:


Anyway, some info on Trademeet's druids:
- if you do the "good" way, you get +1 quest (Two Feuding Houses), some more gold, elven chain (AC5), and statues on the main square.
- if you do the "evil" way, you get some more exp (even without the extra quest), you still can do the "Return of the tanner" quest. You get somewhat less gold (what you shouldn't mind), and a Shield of Harmony (this is ANOTHER Shield of Harmony besides what you get from the High Merchant for the Genie Quest!). You OPTIONALLY get -1 reputation (from the major).
My opinion is, that Robe of Vecna (AC5) is much better then the elven chain.
Also if you don't have a druid, you STILL can solve the quest the "good" way. Cernd will stand outside the Grove. You shall go in, and be sent away. Talk to Cernd, and he'll kick ass inside - instant win.

So: I'm finished with Trademeet!

THE BRAVE WON!!!!
 

The victorious army of the brave
KMONSTER, Imoen, Minsc, Jaheira, Aerie, Korgan just won the last battle with Irenicus.

FIN
 

:smile2:

You may see from left to right
Aerie, Minsc, KMONSTER,Jaheira,Imoen, Korgan standing before 3 supreme Gods.

:hihihi:

Bravo Yoga :clap: :banana:

I knew you could defeat this little ex-elf again and again, even a few hundred times more if you find a mod which lets him return.

Show us a screenshot of your successful protagonist.

Good times
 

Sure.

Version 2.0.22956
195 days

Note:
I wanna said THANK YOU

Kmonster (the human, not my protagonist) from now named as Wizard, if You do not mind and with your kind permission :D

Master Scatty

twillight aka Mage

hunvagy

Tomekk

Wicky

and all who visited this thread and helped me

TY AB of course

Note 2: The game was very stable, with good speed, no lagging and freezed 2 times only.

This is the game I will return many times in my life because BG1/2 is the best RPG saga for me. I want to play expansions also, because Master recommended. BoK is at the 2-nd place already.

Dear twillight,
You have the right to use this thread forever.
:3:

Dear Hunvagy,
You have the right to criticize the brave here as You wish.
Of course, any good word will be highly appreciated.
:D

the brave aka humble yoga from BG

Never enjoyed so much!

:hello:

CONGRATULATION yoga. Now get the expansions, and start a new game, this time READING the texts, the manual, the advices we gave... And use a character with good stats. Please.
But I'll remember you by this term: "My name is Habib Khalid Achmed Alifif and i shall throw my mighty scimitar at your head! ... Oh-oh, this usually works!"


Thx for your offer, I hope you'll visit my solo-progress time to time.
Since the last time I finished the Limited Wish adventure, and Nalia's Keep. Now as I have Use Any Item so no reason to fear freakish beholders, I'll do the Unseeing Eye quest, then maybe try Kangaxx and the Rogue Stone Doorway. Strangely I feel the Firkraag Quest more dangerous to my health. And I'll do lastly in this chapter the Stronghold Quest(s).

As you gave stats, I give too:
19/20/18/19/21/9 - yes, I gave up the 1 DEX from my buckler in trade of immunity to you-lost-the-game things (like charm).
My equipment is: fire arrows, piercing arrows and detonation arrows (these last carried from BG1) in arrow slots. Efreeti bottle, Iron horn of Valhalla and Black Spider Figurine in quick item slots. Familiar, Ring of Ram, Tansheron's Bow in backpack. Equipment on character: Robe of Vecna, Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise, Helm of Balduran, Amulet of Protection, Shield of Harmony, Ring of Regeneration, Gridle of Hill Giant Strenght, Boots of Speed, Cloack of Balduran, Ring of Wizardy, Daystar, Chaos Blade (this is "Haer Dhalis only", but as I said I have "Use Any Item". I just need Time Stop to abuse it).

Now get the expansions, and start a new game, this time READING the texts, the manual, the advices we gave... And use a character with good stats. Please.

:OK:
I promise, I will.

This awesome game is so gigantic that the gamer has to read WT again and again, to try endless spells again and again before he built a real strategy how to react.

Gladly there is no time limit as in FO saga or food supply as in Dungeon Master.
:3:
My plane:
After I drank a coffee I decided to finish an old dream of mine - Shadow Caster and preparing to DL BG2+ToB.

So, the masters who know SC are kindly invited.

I am in the very beginning but I have the form of Maorin-the bear if You remember.

@Capo
I installed Dragon Age and started the game receiving f...d message that " Do not authentic disk. Insert correct disk." What's my fail?
....Bla, bla what disk.
I use Daemon Light tool.
but yoga never give up.
:smile2:

OFF
Good news has wings.
My critic and adviser Hunvagy and DarthHelmet68 help AB gamers to play a nice game -
Ravenloft - Strahd's Possession.
I admire their good job.
:whistling:

You should buy the game, not download a pirate copy from a Torrent site :p It's illegal, and also causes such problems since you do NOT have the original game disc. Same goes for Throne of Bhaal. You should be ashamed Yoga :no:

I think he wants to use some page like GOG. Those are actual shops, only you never have the software on a physical device (aka. CD).


PS: I did the Unseeing Eye, and defeated the Shade Lich. This time no tricks, I really defeated that beast. Disarming Illusions is a bloody strong ability. And you can use it while attacking (first aim target, then click on Detect Traps).
Kangaxx finished too (protection from undead scroll lasts long!).

Stop the pirates!!!They are bad boys..
 

Mage, when do You sleep?

In these hot days one must relax and restore otherwise Sarevok and Irenicus will make us a piece of cake.:3:

yoga who stop the pirates

:hihihi:

Master, You enter deep waters.:bleh1:

So, does anybody want to play Icewind Dale 1 in multiplayer?

RL it is private data. VR I sleep usualy only when I'm out of spells:p


PS: I forgot to mention that I had to kill Keldorn, who was to busy killing evil. But I might be evil, but I'm not (that)bad, am I?
Umar Hills I got through, and with all my traps, even the Shadow Dragon could not stand me power! (Especially as I am practically immun to fire with two ring of protection from fire brought from BG1, Valygar's armor on the top etc.)

With great pleasure but never before played and I will be real idiot who never win.

:3:

Allow me to do a quick analysis here about spells and high level abilities with my thief/mage. When today I turned in the computer, I just realised I forgot about leveling yesterday (fortunatelly only in one of my classes, so no loss of max. hp).


First, I checked how many level10 spells will I have. I realised that even if I'd gain them only as mage (the thief and mage pool are mixed for me at every levelup), I'd be able to gain 3 of them. And as 2 of the spells are fire-based, and therefor ca. useless, I'm settled with this.

Now the "+1 level 6-7-8 spells" abilities: I took the +1 level six plainly because of the drow vs. illithid battle to cast another Death spell (there the illithids count as summoned creatures). But I thought: why would I need extra level 7 or 8? So here comes my analysis on spell-levels:
Level 1 spells here after character L10 can be just forgotten with the exception of Magic Missile.
Level 2 spells are "just in case" cathegory. Nothing excelling here, nothing you surly cast every day, but lots of "what if" spells, like vocalisation.
Level 3 has nice offers, but even Vampiric Touch will turn obsolate. The oh-so-good Fireball from BG1 will go out of fasion for two reason: immunity comes in, and Melf's minute meteor. Melf's is so powerful, you can consider almost as cheat. Skull Trap offers a trap, therefor a must have - but that's the end of it.
Level 4 is actually cool. So many good spells, I won't go into details. I only mention Summon Spider as THE lowlevel summoning spell (summons work mainly as meatshield for gaining time) - better than ANY of Monster Summoning 1-3.
Level 5 has cloudkill what you'll forget after some higher level (similar stronger areaspells will come), Lower Resistance as preparation, and Sunray on the pure offensive power. But that's it again.
Level 6 offers the curiotsities, and most of them has their place - but cast them rarely. All are midlevel spells too (including two summons).
Level 7 has Limited Wish and a sequencer. Sadly the summon efreeti on the party's side never produces the Gasous Form bug (I'm not sure if it is a bug or feature, but annoying for sure). But the only constant spell here is Mordekainen's sword, Warding Whip and maybe Project Image.
Level 8 is awefully sucky. Ok, you have Simularcum, Abi Dazbi's Horrid Whilting, Shapechange (for me it is obsolate because of Hear Dhalis' sword) and maybe one or two other spells, but ask yourself: how many times you cast those? Maybe I'd consider gaining the "+1 level 7-8 spell" abilities IF there'd be a +1 level 9 too, but this way... I just hoard Spike Traps.

EDIT: Evasion + Greater Evasion is good to have with 1 charge, and Avoid Death would also be ok IF I wouldn't have 2 Ring of Gaxx (too bad you can't steal from the demilich form too for a third, eh?). The rest of the mage/thief abilities are forgetable.

Aww you're putting yourself down. I'll give you control of the bard (whom I already named Yoga hehe) and tell you what to do. If this works out you can have 2 characters and even half the group when you feel like it.

Add wicky3d on Xfire so we can chat/voicechat/exchange files etc..?
http://www.xfire.com/

Hope to hear from you soon,

Wicky

[quote=Wicky;432760]Aww you're putting yourself down. I'll give you control of the bard (whom I already named Yoga hehe) and tell you what to do. If this works out you can have 2 characters and even half the group when you feel like it.

Add wicky3d on Xfire so we can chat/voicechat/exchange files etc..?
http://www.xfire.com/

Hope to hear from you soon,


OK. I will do my best. Pls give me time for routine installation and so on. It is a big compliment to be your protagonist. Of course, if all is OK with the game I will return the gesture and my hero will be named Wicky.:hihihi:

Actually now I am playing the game Shadow caster. Lvl 4.


@Mage
Perfect analysis, twillight.
With this excellent knowledge no monster can be opponent.

Btw, You did not tell me how do you pass The mustard jellies, the Guardians of Doom and then 2 Skeleton Warriors before Sarevok temple in BG? For me this was terrible moment.
..I remember I lured aside Jellies and attacked the strong Guardians.. Suddenly both jellies divided to 4 pieces and attacked me from behind. This way the brave was between 2 fires. Gladly the corridor was narrow so only one jelly was able to hit me.

the brave

Do not kill Keldorn. Simply help this man to back his temple, because later he will initiate a new quest, if I am not wrong.

1) yoga, remember I play SOLO. No quests what require party therefor. Not that I miss anything that way, as I already have 6million exp (3mill per class), and none of those quests provide any cool item. Also this way (by killing recruitable NPCs) I can lay my hand on some nifty stuff.

2) The mustard jellies at me did not split. My tactic was for all the Thief Maze to lure the monsters to a corner, then hide&backstab. I simply ran away from retaliation.


PS: I finished the Rogue Stone Doorway (had to equip Cloak of Nondetection).
Also finished Windspear Hills. Now I have a spiffy Red Dragon Scale Armor. And I didn't even had to sleep during the quest!

Btw, at many more places then usual I encounter liches because of my high level, but with hide in shadows they aren't bad at all.

Last but not least this time: Remember that during the Unseeing Eye you have to cast a healing on the demon at Amaunator? I was sooo happy to have the Staff of Healing and Use Any Item (the staff in question is priest only)...! I think that's the only way to deal healing by nonpriest/nondruid characters:omg:

EDIT: The Illithid Infiltration in the Sewers of Amn is defeated. Should I use the Wand of Wonders?

EDIT2: As only the stronghold-quests remained for me, and I want to work for the vampires, I checked how Bodhi will behave if I start the thieves' quests too (and finish it only after the Planar Sphere, or not). The messenger came, but in the Graveyard no Bodhi.
As previous Bodhi DID hire me, I checked what if I don't even enter the Thieves' Guild. Still no Bodhi.
So my last chance is, that after aquiring the Mage Stronghold I'll agan be considered a mage, and Bodhi will accept me. Wish me luck.

Only if you're looking for a way to die lots of times quickly and in many interesting ways. Or if you're the save-load-save-load-load type of player. Sell that thing, would be more useful for you.

As for working for Bodhi, it shouldn't work with a Thief at all. It never did for me, no lack of trying there. Also if you ever kill even one of the vampires in the scripted scenes where they confront the thieves at nights, your chance with Bodhi is gone.

I am not thief. My character is a mage/thief multiclass. And that was why I tested right at the beggining of Chapter 2, as about multiclassing there is basically no info anywhere.

And I bloody well know I shall not bother vampires. I did not touch them naturally.

Anyway, we'll see. Now I'm inside the Sphere, ready to step outside and collect a demonheart.

Techincally, if you have a thief in your multiclass, you are a thief. And a mage. No idea how game logic handles it though, but game system wise you are a thief.

Guten Tag, Wicky.

I am yoga7 in
http://www.xfire.com/

My commandos:
Wicky - half-elf -Bard - 14/14/14/14/11/15
yoga - human -Cleric - 14/12/11/15/11/12
Hunvagy - halfling - Thief -12/16/11/8/15/13
Scatty- human-Mage-13/13/12/15/15/12
Lily-human girl-(my sympathy :smile2:)-Mage-11/12/13/11/15/15
Tomekk- elf-Diviner - 13/16/6/16/17/15

:D

Good luck with your party Yoga. You'll need it.
3 mages, 1 bard, 1 cleric and 1 thief isn't really the most balanced party composition (4 characters fighting for the few mage scrolls you'll find and no warrior) and the stats are quite bad.
If you play including the expansion I recommend setting the difficulty to easy for 100% successful scroll scribing and surviving a few seconds longer, it will be very challenging nevertheless.

Damn the fiendish program! Bodhi does not appear in the Graveyard now, even though I lastly leveled in mageling, and just aquired the mage stronghold! What the bleep should I do to not have to mess with leveldraining scum?!?

@yoga
You'll die with that kinda party in IcewindDale, just as kmonster said.
Spellscrolls are scarse, money is even more scarse, good equipment is rare and expensive, monsters are HARD, and the whole game is basically a hack&slash.
My party was a fighter, a paladin, a backstabbing thief, a mage, a priest (healing is important in IWD), and I think another fighter. All nonhuman if possible, like fighters being HalfOrc for more brutish strenght and so on.
I've read the manual, a walkthrough, planed my equipment right at the beggining, and even then on Normal Difficulty I had HAAARD time.
But give it a try, for the first go me too did something similar in IWD, and had to give up in Chapter 3 I think:wilco:

Here's mine lol:

Fighter - lawful good human, dual-classing to cleric at lvl 9 with 5 stars in maces (crushing)
18/00,18, 18, 5, 18, 5
Fighter/Cleric - neutral good halfelf with flails (crushing)
18/00, 18, 18, 10, 18, 4
Fighter/Druid - true neutral halfelf with scimitar (slashing)
18/00, 18, 18, 4, 18, 17

backrow
Fighter - neutral good human, dual-classing to necromancer at lvl 9 with 5 stars in twohanded swords (slashing)
18/00, 18, 18, 18, 9, 4
Fighter - neutral good human, dual-classing to evoker at lvl 9 with 5 stars in halberds (piercing)
18/00, 18, 18, 18, 11, 3
Bard - neutral good human with spear (piercing)
18, 18, 16, 18, 4, 18


It might be a bit crazy that I've spent three days rolling this party, but to start with level 1 on insane difficulty and heart of fury mode on requires some thought. In the Kuldahar cave were four ogres instead of one, and none of them can be tanked by my warriors for a single round, wtf! My first two parties got wiped out so hard it wasn't even funny with 3 attacks per round doing 25dmg, but happily this party managed them.

If you need to know, the bard Yoga has 18 charisma + 5 from friends spell to do the shopping for everybody. He gets over 50% discount, and once he gets the war chant of Sith at level 11 he will seriously be op:
Everybody and his summons receive +2 AC bonus, regenerates 2hp per round, and ignores 10% of all physical damage.
In Combo with prot evil 10' another +2 AC, and defensive harmony another +4 AC, this means that everybody in fullplate already at -2 AC gets as low as -10 AC without even any magical armor. And later there will be dex-rings etc.

The bard is almost nice, he can identify everything on the spot with high lore, has 2 attacks per round with a composite longbow, and if that's not enough, learning chromatic orb/haste at early levels. [edit] And can pick pockets

But even a level 1 squirrel has an AC of -4, this means it's unhittable except for a natural 20! It will be a major task to beat this.

:3:
Yes, I feel the unbalance of my party, fighting all the day long with gang of weak goblins North of village.
Being so much criticized the last game I am afraid to ask for help and advice.
Well, this was an attempt to acquire some training of this new game.
Maybe this will be my first and last Q:
Recommend me a balanced party and so-so good stats just to start.
Then I will create new threat for IWD because I dully respect AB rules.
:lol:
Note: Why there is no label of main buildings, inns, temples and etc.?

Wicky,
entschuldigen Sie bitte, aber Ich bin sehr schwach jetz.
(Excuse me I am very weak now).

ein yogi

OFF
I am fighting 2 hours non stop with some skeleton in Shadow Caster, hitting this monster with shuriken and it is still alive??
How is it possible??
Level 4

Mage , how you doing?
Still alive?
One small bird told me that your skin is crucified just before 9 Hells.
I am crying all the day.
:smile2:

An elf diviner with 3 HP? Oi, my character is always the most badass meleer XD

Seriously yoga, i hope you dont need an help topic for iwd, the only think you have to do is killing monters :whops:

Si, Signor Capo,
and the only thing to do in Betrayal at Krondor is to kill monsters.
:hihihi:

I will change my formation but definitely IWD is harder than BG. The prices are high and profits are ..:dislike:
15 XP for dead goblin???!!!

Crazy game creators to think BG1/2 are easy games and develop IWD!
Crazy, yes.

Hardcore :) Made by hardcore fans of AD&D rules for hardcore players, with more of a challenge, and more Hack & Slash than Baldur's Gate. If you are into hundreds of pages of manual and all know-how of AD&D rules, Icewind Dale is for you.
Which is, in my opinion, not exactly a perfect game for you, Yoga, requires too much attention for every single detail to be effective there. But hey, if you master that one Baldurs Gate will be very easy for you afterwards.

No one is angry with you just because you're asking questions or telling of your progress, so don't be afraid to do so, that's what forums are for.
Even when replaying IWD for the 2nd or 3rd time I could detect seemingly obvious things I overlooked before, with all those areas, monsters, spells and items available it's impossible to understand everything.

Unlike in BG2 where a solo mage could handle everything easily with some dirty tricks in IWD it's assumed that you build a somewhat balanced party, the game is balanced quite well and not very complicated if you do so.

You have beaten both BG and BG2, you have tried different party compositions and experienced what was useful for you and what not. Use the knowledge you gained (what options did you feel were overrepresented in your parties and which options did you miss, what was fun and what was annoying ?) to create the optimal party and learn from your mistakes.

In BG1 you created a fighter/mage with only 10 int for example. Learning spells from scrolls often failed and the spells you could learn per level was very lmited, so make sure everyone with bard or mage levels has at least 18 int so you don't have to worry about this.

In BG2 you gave bastard sword proficiency to almost everyone who could learn it, but there weren't more than 1-2 good bastard swords but many other super weapons which you couldn't use effectively because no one had proficiency in, so give different proficiencies to your party members.

In BG1 you experienced that shooting monsters from the distance while they get close works better than running across the screen towards them, so specialize all of your characters both in a ranged and melee weapon type.

In IWD you start with level 1 characters like in BG1 and reach almost as high levels as in BG2. It's more similar to BG1 however.


Before giving detailed party advice I have a few questions for you:

Q1: Does your IWD version include the Heart of Winter expansion ?

Q2: Do you know how to change the character stats at creation after rolling them ? If you roll 13 in all stats for a human fighter can you raise str, dex and con to 18 while lowering the other stats to 8 for example ?

Q3: Do you feel bad if your characters have some very low stats ? A fighter with 3 int or 3 wis or 3 cha would work perfectly well for example, since those stats are useless for fighters. If you feel bad what are the stat limits you don't want to go beyond ?

new brave formation-hope better
 

OK.
Kmonster and Scatty know me better that I. Nice.:3:

Q1: Does your IWD version include the Heart of Winter expansion ?
A1: No, I have no HoW, because Y'now I hurry to start the game for duel with Wicky. Sorry. Next time.

Q2: Do you know how to change the character stats at creation after rolling them ? If you roll 13 in all stats for a human fighter can you raise str, dex and con to 18 while lowering the other stats to 8 for example ?
A2: Yes, I know and I do.Pls, look my last stats.

Q3: Do you feel bad if your characters have some very low stats ? A fighter with 3 int or 3 wis or 3 cha would work perfectly well for example, since those stats are useless for fighters. If you feel bad what are the stat limits you don't want to go beyond ?[/quote]
A3: Yes, I feel bad when my characters are with low stats.Step by step I realize your directions stated above.

But still I am not perfect in such details. I think this is result of my nature. Gemini. We, always are running fast with closed eyes.Where to? Never mind it is important to run other is details only, which is very, very wrong. Especially in RPG where every detail is sometime very important even fatal.
Yes, I played games where if one forget the Prince ring and reach the end all is kaputt.
:3:
OK. This morning I did new party. Pls take a look.

Wicky-Human,Fighter,LG,0,18/77,18,18,6,18,5. 1700Xp
Paco-Human,Fighter,NG,1, 18/58,18,18,18,12,8. 1700Xp
Hunvagy- H,F,NG,1,18/35,18,18,17,10,3. 1700Xp
Capo-Half-elf,Fighter/Cleric,NG,0,18/95,18,17,9,17,4. 839+839Xp
Scatty-Half-elf,Fighter/Druid,TN,1,18/95,18,17,9,17,4. 839+839Xp
Tomekk-H,Bard,NG,3,18,16,16,15,3,18. 1700Xp
All first members are 1 level, near to 2 level, only Tomekk the Bard is 2 level.
Enclosed You may see their respective HP.
I am trying to use battle formation where 4 fighters form a figure of 2 fighters in front, 2 fighters aside (left and right) and both Cleric and Druid in-between.:smile2:

Sposibo.

Of course many greets to the mad Mage, if He is still alive. Hope the small bird is wrong again, this bastard!!!
:lol:
Do You know IWD never stop when First in line (in BG the leader is dead?). Funny.

So you tried to clone Wicky's party. :mhh:
It will do, the essentials (mage spells, priest spells and a lot of fighting power) are covered but be aware that this party was built for replaying with HoW installed at crazy HoF mode. For normal mode it's not optimal.

You don't have a thief, so you'll have to suffer from traps you can't disarm and have to bash or use spells to open locks. You can dualclass Hungavy to thief if you want to change this or just replace him with a fighter/thief multiclass, you can replace characters during the game, as long as you're still in the first chapter the little XP difference won't matter.

You wrote the fighter/cleric stats twice instead of writing down the fighter/druid stats (he has 15 con and ???).

If you don't have HoW installed there's no reason to dual your fighters to another specialist wizard class than conjurer, with HoW installed conjurers are quite bad so illusionist for one and something else for the other (or only dualing one, you don't need a second cleric either) is better.

Really ? Have you played it ? From the beginning looks like one of the toughest rpg i've ever played :omg:

Anyway cool that im in your team, hope not too die too much :ph34r:

As I wrote in post #232, I returned with the Planar Sphere and took it as my Stronghold.

But yesterday I slept, and today I'll watch DVD instead, so no further progress.

I'm mad though that currently Bodhi does not recruit me (but I made such hugh progress I will not reload). And I have no protection from leveldraining, so it is major threat. I also hate these abilities: Summon Nishru/Hakeshar, Maze (I don't understand why this means instadeath), Imprisonment (also means instadeath, so I hate it). For the rest things I do have some kind of antidote (seems the Shield of Harmony protects from psionic blasts!). Oh, I also hate statdrain: intelligence (my precious spells, ugh!)

@Kmonster
Yes, I have no Thief in the very first moment and I was unable to open the building with the wolf inside and 2-3 chests. No damages from traps.
But very soon I transferred no Hunvagy but Capo in Fighter/Thief and solution was made.
Sure, I try to clone Wicky party but do not know that the party in question is for the Expansion.
Anyway I like this formation and will follow the advise to stop dual classing.
Yes, I used Copy/Paste and the result is mistake. Will give the correct value.
Difficulty is 55%.
For now I have no problems at all. It is very nice fast Sleep.:D

@Capo
Caro Capo, I was little child when finished the game BoK.
Have no WT (I know You hate WT as a real Magician).
But Master Scatty and Borodin are very competent to help You.
Go on! You will win. You're the clever Italian gamer there. Maybe Dave,, no, no You the best.
I promise no dead for commandos Capo in my team. Special care is taken and He is well protected.
You remember that I promised to take Minsc with me in BG2. Even first attempt failed, the second was OK and yr favorite was with me till the 9 Hells.

@Mage aka twillight
Bodhi recruit You? Mama mia? But one of my difficult battle was with this bitch, sister of sarevok. She was protected by million vampires in Graveyard district.
Yes, she used that bloody spell, taking my power..
Ah, I forget You are special case and all in the game is upside-down when Solo.
Well, the small bird again lies me. You are in good condition a little sleepy but ready to open yr magic box with spells.

I wish You both the best luck
The first - in yr dangerous adventure to Krondor
the second - to 9 Hells. In one of caves in 9 Hells was a very biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig Dragon. So, be clever as always are you.

Sry, Kmonster, I dunno yr game but I am sure You are working man not lazy beggar as yoga.
:D

Thanks for the honor of copying my party :lol:
The front fighter today, he walked into a room and an acolyte did 98 damage on him with a static charge. But the fighter only has 126hp max! Good thing he saved for half damage otherwise he would have been one-shotted :whistling:

With brute force, chests and doors can be cracked open (with the sword icon at the bottom, just attack the door) or with the bard, he can cast "knock" spell. Then with invisibility and non-detection, characters can avoid beeing seen. The bard can pick-pocket like a champ. Then only the trap-disarming skill is missing, so I walk through them and heal afterwards (2 clerics + 1 druid) That's why I have no thief.

IMHO a thief has several disadvantages:
1) fighter/thief lacks armor
2) mage/thief lacks weapon proficiency
The later one could adress the lack of armor with self-protection spells from the mage class, while the first can hit hard. But it's a bit too risky.. thought some time about it.
So I decided just walk through the traps with lots of stoneskin, protection from lightning etc. (and rez dead on the other side lol) Don't you also think that's very rude, but effective? :woot:

My advice isn't that you shouldn't dualclass, it's that you don't have to. It's your decision, I'm sure you will be able beat the game either way.

Bard and druid cover the spellcasting essentials. If you prefer a low magic group just keep your human fighters pure, if you want more mage spells dualclass Paco and maybe Hungavy to conjurer at level 9 (you can even dual earlier at level 7 if you don't want to wait that long), if you want access to cleric spells ("protection from evil 10' radius" and "raise dead" are nice spells and additionl healing won't hurt) dual Wicky to cleric at level 7 or 9. In theory the dualclasses will offer more powerful options at the end, but it's pointless giving them spellpower instead of better hit chance if you just overrun your enemies without bothering to cast the additional spells gained.

My recommendation is just playing the game and feeling how you like your party, when you reach level 7 or 9 you'll know whether you want more spellcasting or not, whatever you choose will only affect how you beat the game, either way winning won't be a problem for Yoga the Great. :superman:

If you plan dualclassing to mage I recommend storing double spell scrolls you find in the Inn in Kuldahar, so you can come back and learn them later.

Are you playing without any other party members but you? Then Maze means insta-death, since no one is left behind so no party - end. With party members you return from the Maze after some time based on your Intelligence score.
Imprisonment is always insta-death if cast on main protagonist though, even with other party members remaining.

@Kmonster
With Maze things could have been working like with Charm in BG1: The party remains, only members are temporarily change sides, and when all is taken, the confrontation just stops for a moment.
With both spells I have the problem of no saving throw. Oh well, I'll just store some invisibility and the cloack of nondetection. (I wonder what I'll need to bring with me into A4-5, too bad I will be cut from the storeage).

@yoga
Remember that there was TWO occasion when you fought Bodhi's vampires! The first is in Ch2, when you had to pay 15K gold to join a group finding Imoen. Well, there is two alternative that time: side with the Shadow Thieves, or side with Bodhi.
The second encounter in CH6 on the other side is a joke. You'll have so many helpers you may not even lift a finger to win! (Blasted Drizzt do Urden & Co. will be at hand and more, khm.)

Second: at Irenicus you are NOT in the Nine Hells - what is Abyss. You are only in a PocketPlane (of Baal), and it only have FIVE tests. Not to mention I already killed 2 dragons without a scratch. And anyway: at Pride I'll NOT kill the dragon, as the good solution gives better reward.

@Kmonster
 

My commandos:

Wicky - Fighter - I think to keep Wicky pure fighter.
Hunvagy - Fighter/Mage
Paco - Fighter/Thief (Sry, I missed the names Paco and Capo, very similar, hmm.. I think these both are brothers:hihihi:
Scatty - Fighter/Druid, True-Neutral,
Half-elf - (-1,16,16) 18/78,17,15,4,17,15, Lvl 2, 3100 XP
Capo - Fighter/ Cleric
Tomekk - Bard

I try to balance between low magics and fighting group, because I already have every required members for the gaming.
Y'now, I was going crazy with more than 200 spells in BG2.
Actually, one good Spellcaster like our Mage used 10-15 spells during the game, I think.:wilco:
Location: Vale of Shadows.

Off:
Pls, all AB members, calm Capo, stating that BoK is not so hard game and HE is able to pass it! Because He is thinking to give up now.
No! The braves never give up!!
Capo, see our hero the Mage aka twillight how with solo player as Drizzt Do Urden advanced in BG2, how with simple stone in the hand killed the bad Frank.
Sadly I played BoK before 200 years and my memory does not serves me well about details.
:lol:

More Off:
I am still crying because of my fail with Ultima 8 Pagan. I started the game 6-7 times to reach the level 7 Pit of Dead and see all is one zero only.
Maybe, maybe some good bearded member will send me save file at level 6-7?
O, yoga knows how to present the helper!!Do not worry.

PLEASE.:hypocrite:

Not that hard, needs more thought. You have different attack styles, cycle through them, each gives a different hit percentage. Oh and you miss, because the enemy uses the same options as you.. defending and such. One good tactic at the beginning is to make your half-elf and the knight gangbang enemies, and lend support with the sheperd boy.

yoga, make a distinction between IWD and BG2. In IWD, I think I used 50+ type of spells, because of the strong enemies and scarcity of good items.

IN BG2 up to this point I used 31 different spells, plus special abilities, plus item abilities (charges or permanent).

OK, OK,
You correct, dear Mage.
What is .."this point"?
:D

The very end of Chapter 2.

I cleaned MaeVar's guild. Currently I'll have to plan in what order should I do Chapter 3's quests and the Stronghold quests. I want to finish my stronghold before going further.

Vampires:p

Yes. You'd think darn walkthrougs mentions Amulet of Power gives immunity to leveldrain, non?

Anyway, I got inside Spellhold (I brought my jewelry fortunatelly with me in a gembag). Now I wonder what should I sacrifise? Intelligence seems a bad idea being mage. Dexterity seems bad idea all cases. But Constitution or Wisdom shall go? Hm, Wisdom has so many modifiers, and required for Wish (but I have more then 18 currently). Constitution is almost useless, but I only have so much hp.

What a decision...

:bleh1:
Chapter 2 end?

Hmmm..
I am in Dragon's eye already - 2 level.
Do You want to send You my 2 commandos to help - strong Capo and wise Hunvagy?

the brave:hihihi:

That's why I never rely on walkthroughs if I can manage without them.

If you're loathe to part with one of the precious attribute points (I know I always am), just get ShadowKeeper, then re-edit the spared point back & save the game. Cheating, true, but you're not getting the lost attribute point back which is a pretty nasty thing (except in ToB from Lums machine).

You can get by without sacrificing anything with the "fake talk" strategy. Just click at the demon as if you wish to talk to it and while it awaits your approach sneak by. But that's cheating.

Fake Talk and even Shadowkeeper?

WHERE WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE IN THOSE?

I really wish to beat the game with a solo protagonist (what'd you say to a Chaotic/Evil alignmented Good god?), and even though I use all nasty tricks (like save&reload when random chance is involved), I won't bloody cheat! I came from BG1, so I have +1 on all my stats (or more), and I'm big enough mutha to get over such small loss!

I sacrifised Constitution, and I lost not even a single HP.

In the Stronghold Quests I got Wand of Apperenti, Abi Dazlim's scroll, and Staff of Power (it was sooo fitting).

I've reach maximum exp of ToB(!) at first level of Dungeon Below Spellhold. Amusing. One time during all this I accidently levelled twice at once (one thief + one mage), so I have a timestop trap along the spiky ones (too bad you can't choose these times one ability multiplied).

Just finished Dragon's Temple, here's a video battle with Yxunomey:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1640J5IJ

The three snake clerics kept dispelling my party, but I learned how dispel magic looks upon start casting, now I hinder them from casting it :bleh1:

Hui, a marilith. Tough battle, well done. Though the death of one of the characters could probably be avoided I guess, the rest were pretty well on.

Wicky, are you sure you wanned to post this here?


About my progress to be intopic:
Reached the Sahugain City where I'll side with the Prince.
Irenicus was easy, as I prevented his first casting with magic missile (-5 casting speed is FAST), and the activated protecion were all removed by the deviants instantly.
I also got the ability to turn the Slayer. Just got struck, how fuckin' cool it'd have to be Heroes of Trademeet while turned to that... Having a statue glorifying the Lord of Murder:doh:


Some bugs I've encountered:
- if you have 2 Ring of Ram on your fingers and use one's ability, BOTH will be drained. Might happen with other twin-equipment (like ring of invisibility)
- sometimes the game says (it did once also in BG1) "íour party must be gathered before venturing forth" (remember I have no "party")
- liches are damaged by their own sunfire
- NPC mages are real idiots. They cast spells in a given order - even fireball and skull trap -, and spit on their party.
- NPCs are not restricted by the "5 summons only" rule (a sahugain summoned on me some 12 undead, so I had to use Death Fog in the end)

Some highlevel tactics (only use them if out of other options):
- Sometimes enemies summon a nishru or what, and I'm out of Death spell or Death Fog. But with boots of speed I can leave behind the slow nishru, put down 1-2 traps, and that way get rid of the menace.
- If you have the Staff of Power + cloack of nondetection + item with regeneration (usually Ring of Regeneration, or Ring of Gaxx), you can practically win ANY fight - as long as no enemy can see the invisible per se (some lich, nishru and 1-2 more creature can not be fooled by any kind of invisibility). The trick is, if you reinsert the Staff of Power into the character's hand you turn instantly invisible, then just wait until you regenerate to full health.

Wonders of Wand of Wonders:
- haste
- stoneskin
- +4 strenght (temporary)
- turn to stone
- stinking cloud (reliably effects myconids!)
- lightning bolt

Ok, new post before the previous grow to hugh.

I'm done with the drow city. Did the lich-quest, the sect-quest, the illithid city (only for the fire controll ring. War story: at the end I had the Staff of Domination, and thought, why not try to dominate the elder brain? And so I did with success, and the illithids killed their Master Brain - and I simply locked the door behind me), gave silver dragon eggs for magic item ('cause of RPG-purpose, as I can't use halberds), killed silver dragon for her blood. Oh, and sent the fish-ambassador back to his hecks.
Also did the imprisoned mage quest, freed some people from the imprisonment-machine, eliminated the githyankis (once I'll have to figure out how githzerai and githyanki relates). I avoided the balrog (some adventage for being evil-alignment).
The Kuo-Toa Prince is disposed (anyone tell me why kuo toas cast True Sight, lol).

EDIT1: I used a Mindflyer-Collar on one of the Demogorgon's spawn, and with that I easly won.
Then on the way out I started to be short on spells, so I casted last resort: Summon Planetar. That beast is sure dangerous. Anyway, I think I met a bug: do not cast Insect Plague near neutral NPCs (the forest-elves turned hostile when I did, so I had to reload).
About Drizzt: He didn't wanned to help anyway (at least without kissing his ass), so I didn't make the effort, and went to meet him with neutral reputation (anyone knows why is that when you finally can turn to Slayer no longer is a temple at hand to compensate the reputation-loss?). He didn't ask anything just said "I am Drizzt, you should not have the same name" - this is so ridiculous like someone would start killing famous people because they are "John". Anyway, it wasn't hard with timestop + improved alactricity, I only had to be cautious not to damage a messenger from the Planar Sphere. This is something new, so I'll report as soon as I can.

EDIT2: Ok, it wasn't anything new, I just forgot the last stronghold-quest. And just to toss with the pesky Cowled Wizards, I killed the target instead of imprisonment.
Also killed more githyanki, and got the manaresist bow from Forest of Tethyr. The Human Flesh Armor is ready to be used. Too bad Drizz't scimitar was stolen from me :(
I think I'll start the Tower from the expansion just for the heck of it. For this reason I show what I've used from SoA (I know Chapter 7 awaits me still):
Robe of Vecna, Gauntlets of weapons expertise, Helm of Balduran, Amulet of power, Shield of Harmony, 2*Ring of Gaxx, Girdle of frost giant strenght, Cloak of Balduran
In backpack: Bag of holding (it can store 100 equipment! Too bad amunition counts per piece too), Gem bag, Scroll case, familiar
arrows: of dispelling, of detonation, of piercing (imagine your aim with Heartseeking)
quick items: Wand of Apperenti / Wand of Wonder, Horn of blasting, Bottle of efreeti
Bug(?): During TimeStop NOT every hit is autohit.

MINOR NOTE: I found ca. 15 prot. from undead scroll, and only 2 prot. from magic scroll (both are shop only item).
MIDDLE NOTE: Did you ever thught about Drizzt's equipment? I mean their stupid little group has only +3 equipment! Overhyped orc-licking scum they are, not real heroes!