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I voted for NWN because it has the best graphics i have ever seen in any RPG.The storyline is exceptional.

Can't say.
I haven't played any of those games :bleh: :whistle:

moved the topic to where is belongs.

Of those I would say Neverwinter Nights but overall it is Baldur's Gate 2.

I would have selected Diablo 2, but it is not really an rpg. It's more of an action game. Morrowind is the only other one I've played. Why isn't BG2 on this poll?

No Fallout 2??? :blink: No BG2??? :ranting:

And we talking about RPG? :bleh: :tomato:

Most important of all, NO PLANESCAPE TORMENT!!! :ranting:

Omuletzu, go in the naughty box. Now. :angry:

PLANESCAPE: TORMENT

:ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:

You didn't put up any of the Mario RPG's. :ranting:

I think this poll needs restarting with all of these games in.

Fixed :ok:

danke! :ok:

Fallout! Fallout! (as you can tell, i like fallout a lot :P)

Diablo II is not a RPG for Christ sake!!! :ranting:

Neither is Dungeon Siege...

Diablo is RPG, same as Fallout and BG games.

I chose Baldur's Gate II. I don't know of RPG that could be better than this one. There wasn't one yet so far. :sneaky:

I choose Fallout2 as I liked more turn based gameplay then real time play (had to pause all the time :blink: )

oh, yeah. get your n64, SNES, GC, or GBa, and play Paper Mario 1 or 2, Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga, or Super Mario Rpg and tell me Baldur's Gate is better. :D

I already selected "nul vote" while the poll was still crap, that means I can't vote for Planescape: Torment now. Oh, well.

Why isn´t KodP there?

(oh, almost forgot,
nobody knows it...)

Nothing can outdo the ending cutscenes in Paper Mario 2. They were just awesome, like something out of the Legend of Zelda. :D

I voted for Planescape: Torment because the game was exceptional, even though 640x480 looks absolutely shocking on my 19" monitor. ;)

FF7 is the greatest RPG of all time. Bar none.

I don't care what anyone says...

I just love Final Fantasy XI Online.

HEY, WHY THERE ARE TWO FALLOUTS!!! FALLOUT 1 AND 2 SHOULD BE IN THE SAME CATEGORY!!!! :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting: :ranting:

BTW My friend has Planescape: Torment! I will take a look these days! :ok:

None on that list, overall id say Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 3 or Suikoden.

Something tells me you haven't played Final Fantasy 6 :D

[quote]Originally posted by R Havell@Nov 22 2004, 06:02 PM
[b] [u][b]But I think Grandia 2 is the best RPG, absolute best absolutly. Anyone played it, or at least heard of it? There is a computer version.

I had to go with NWN. It looks fantastic, the plot is great and it kept me entertained for ages.
:D :D :D :D :D

I chose Fallout 2, but I would have also voted for Baldur's 2. Nothing beats being able to use high level spells!

My vote for Planescape aswell, as I haven't played Fallout 1/2 yet. ;)

Btw, back in my days, games like Diablo etc. were called Isometric Action Adventures, but I guess times change... :bleh:

For me:

Neverwinter Nights...loving that game :ok:

Grandia 2 is AWSOME!!! I stopped playin at melfice though cause his gay Demo Horde Slash kept pissing me off. hehe TENSAKIN SLASH!!!!!

On the contrary, I've played through FF6 dozens of times. It is a great game, but FF7 truly started all these new 3d RPG's and was absolutly brilliant at the time it came out. That is why I think its the best RPG ever. The Star Ocean series are excellent as well. Item Creation is wicked cool... :D

i prefer FF 4/5/6 over 7/8/9 due to the fact that the move to 3d kinda ruined it for me.
but fallout beats any FF game hands down (excellent TB combat and far more truly freeform than any console rpg at the time)

I remember Melfice, but I don't remember fighting him, but since I finished the game I'm assuming I beat him. And since you didn't finish I have to tell you that Marag dies at the end :cry: , very sad moment indeed, but like you'd expect he died a hero. And yes the Tensakin Slash is the nicect looking move through out the whole game.

Chrono trigger. Secret of mana....

My fav RPG isn't on there. :(
Yea, I'm not sure I even need to say it, LOL.

Fallout 2.

the pure number of endings, ive completed it 27times, many different endings. its awesome. i Love it when you get criticals with a machine gun type weapon witha burst shot.

off comes arm, chest, head. boom boom boom :D

Hmm? No Ultima games on the list? Or the Eye of the Beholder series? Not to mention the AD&D classics? Krondor? Exactly how long did you spend choosing the options?

Anyway, my favourite computer RPG would be either Ultima 5, Betrayal at Krondor, or Rogue (although that one would be stretching the genre a little).

People, what's wrong with you? No one here ever played Baldur's Gate II?.. :hairpull:
It's surely undoubted one of the best RPG's ever made at all! If you didn't play it yet, I would suggest you do...

Doesn't anyone besides me like Mario RPG's!! :blink:

balders gate 2 is very fun but i jsut love the dark feel of Fallout 2. The grimeyness. The reality. I mean... prostitues :D haha.

Realms of Arkania: Star Trail hands down is the best RPG ever made. The Realms of Arkania trilogy is absolutely amazing, followed by Stonekeep and Daggerfall as the best games ever.

I'd have to say I liked it better than any other RPG I have ever played, and I don't play many. But Like I said earlier my vote goes to KotOR, even though I accidentally nulled my vote. This is because it's the best RPG that I have finished. If I had finished BG2 I may have considered voting for it, but it may have turned out muck near the end.

Baldur's Gate II including the expansion Throne of Bhaal is doubtless the best roleplaying game ever. Only Planescape: Torement and the Fallout Series come close to its perfection.

GAH! All this talk about the Fallout series is wanting me to go and reinstall Fallout 2. I have a LOT of gaming to do once holiday break arrives.

Believe me, it's really cool at the end of Shadows of Amn. And the expansion as well, though at the end it's very hard there, but the battles are worth experiencing them. ;)

Well now I'm going to have track down someone and demand it back. :ok:

It's quite obvious that the list is by no means complete ;) also most of the games are quite recent. Still, stuff like Diablo doesn't belong there, while games like Arcanum are missing...

difficult to say.

Morrowind is great because of its brilliant plug ins but is quite slow as a game (but still gigantic) while Kotor is good but small.
Never finished playing Planescape Torment but I loved the part I did play (but I haven't played it enough to cast a vote for it)
Just started playing Fallout 2... pity my computer crashes every few minutes :(
The game doesn't seem very exciting yet since the controls are really awkward. But I guess it still needs to grow on me.

I choose Knights of the old republic for its wonderful sidequests, cinematic storyline and amazing deep characters.

Well, no point in making a poll with such limited options (and such definite purpose as "the favourite RPG"). And one should know better than making a poll on a classic games forum with only recent RPGs as candidates.. ;)

Why don't you go ahead and make a RPG poll with only classic games then? :)

Dude, N17R0, you are my favorite person ever. You have awesome taste. It's so hard to meet people with really good taste in games, but you've got the best. Keep it up man. Daggerfall forever =P

YAY :Brain: :Brain:

Someone has finally agreed with me. :ok:

No Ultima series? Can't talk RPG without mentioning Ultima!

What the... only one Elder Scrolls game?!?

Okay. Then I choose Ultima Under... WHAT?!? No Ultima either?

Hmm... I guess I'll have to vote Morrowind. Fun game, but a bit repetative.

well, i thought Diablo 2, since it does have a lot of replay value (ONLINE). other than that, i have only played a few more games, such as the Baldur's Gate Series, but i jus didnt have the patience for them... they were kinda difficult for me... :ranting: but i dunno, i loved the aspect of choosing classes, race, colors, etc, its was nice...

if only they did that with Diablo 2.... hmm....

Idunno, even online, I would find it boring after me and my friends had been doing nearly 200 baal runs a nite.

Should we add Fallout and Fallout 2 scores together? :blink: (And so we got clear winner! :D)

I voted for Morrowind. You have a winner now.

There are FAR too many great RPGS to mention I think. Noone has the time to complete EVERY RPG out there, so whos to say what the best is? Some RPGS take 50+ hours, and there are probably hundreds of them out there. Were talking thousands of hours of gaming... I dont have that kind of time. :eeeeeh:

you missed...

Bloodwych
Might and Magic 2
Dungeon Master
Chaos Strikes Back..

... its a damn hard choice.. from the list id have to say none of them

My favorite RPG on the PC has to be Dark Sun: Shattered Lands...it was the first I played on a PC. Otherwise Final Fantasy II for the SNES.

Good to see my other choice won.
Can't wait for TES IV: OblIVion

ive just noticed dungeon seige on there.

i really like that game, had a great atmosphere to it.

Damn Straight. :ok:

oh oh oh, any one play Star ocnea 1 or 2? Thoes were fun. Oh yea is Star Ocean 3 till the end of time good?

I just started playing Morrowind again. And I'm loving it, but I still prefer KotOR.

I'm going to play morrowind again when I get my new computer this weekend/next week.
There are a ton of brilliant mods that I want to try out...

Has anybody played KOTOR II yet, I'm reluctant to buy it since it looks more like an expansion pack than a sequal... but its receiving good reviews.

OMG OMG OMG


There's a second.

Oh I love christmas. :ok:


LOL LOL LOL

well for the time being only for the Xbox, like the original KOTOR.
Kotor II - gamespot.com

Any ideas on a PC release date?

Its schedualed for a February 2005 PC-release

Also I read some of that review. It said playing this makes you wonder whether you have already played it, or something like that, but None of the screenshots look familiar. And it said the grpahics are worse than last game. :blink:

Now that's strange.

No, it said the graphics are the same as the last game but by todays standards they aren't that good anymore.

The graphics engine and most of the clothing/objects and faces have stayed the same... so it kind of looks more like an expansion pack than a true sequal... thats why I'm so reluctant to buy it.

But it still has a completely different story and you visit completely different planets right?

The story, according to the review, is very very good, kind of like the first one.
You visit new planets but you also return to Dantooine (where the Jedi enclave was) but it has ofcoarse changed.

Most notable is that the characters will now react to what path you take dark/light and will follow you down that path.
Instead of for example Bastilla blindly following you, why you have glowing red eyes and a wrinkled grey skin that basically shouts out "haaaarg! I'm evil!!"

Didn't she turn to the dark side before you, then you chose to follow her or not.

Well you make the crucial choice after her (please don't spoil it for people who ahven't played it yet... the bastards) but during the game you can already make darkside decisions.

It was kind of weak that you could play as a dark side character all through the game and eventually making one light side choice at that one point and thus finish the game as a light side character (even while sporting a very evil face and such)

LOL LOL LOL

Throughout the game I just chose whatever gave me most gain. Didn't care whether it was dark or light. But at the critical choice I chose dark. I'd love to rule the galaxy.

But also what would happen if you didn't choose the darkside?
Would you have to kill Bastilla?
I never tried the light side.

I don't remember.
I think you had two choices

ok, i'm pleased with the poll for i like morrowind best...it's simply top notch, imo!

but as it had been mentioned previously, what about the ultima series???

i totally dig ultima 6 & 7, and of course ultima underworld 1 & 2!

long live lord british :kosta:

Too bad he won't create any genious games anymore... :cry:

Well anyway, all this talk of it has made me want to play it again. But I encountered a problem.

I put the disc in, and it is a copied disc by the way, but when I went to install it, it says:

You people are now my technical support. Any ideas?

It has me stumped, but I don't know anything about computer in the first place.

I'm not aware of any install problem... I played the game on Xbox.
Make sure the cd is clean (no dust/scratches)

Well the CD was pretty clean in the first place, but I gave it a little wipe, but still same problem.

BUT I don't understand how it can have an uninstall problem while I'm trying to install. Crazy if you ask me. :blink: :blink:

Ok, Iron, you should post your problem in the troubleshooting section, here it would be off topic. ;)

Alright.

This is bulls**t.The poll shouldn't have been changed.Those were my options, and if you didn't like any of them, then you shouldn't have voted.Else it's normal that entrys like Mario would appear.This was made as a serious poll.Mario is not serious(no offense fawful, it's just my opinion).I made this so the consacrated RPG-ers could share their opinions.BG was my mystake, i should have added that.But i thought that NWN could take it's place, as it's newer, and it's made by the same company.Oh and i'm pretty sure that Fallout was on the original list.I never played Planetscape Torment, because when it came out, i didn't have a comp(although i'm planing to play it sometime soon)
NWN is a succesor to BG(made by the same company), so you should have voted for that!
D2LOD is an RPG, and one of the best ever made.If you don't agree, keep your opinion to yourself.If everybody says it's an RPG, than it's an RPG.

Just because NWN was made by same company as BG doesn't mean they should vote for NWN because BG is not on there. Just because they made by same company doesn't mean everyone will like both of them.

You have no point, i already said it was my mystake... BG should have been on the poll

You said people should have voted for NWN because BG was not on there. My point is that, that is just pure stupidity.

Right... i'm not going to fight over this... i just wanted to say what i felt.

Alright, that's a very tough question. I personally *loved* Fallout, KOTOR and Morrowind. They're all very, very good.

But... if I really have to pick.. I'll go with Morrowind because it's so immersive.

Welcome

Thankee :)

And how is it not an RPG??

It is,
if you are willing to count games such as Diablo,
to be roleplaying games.

I don´t,
but it doesn´t mean that everyone else should do the same.

Diablo is sort of an RPG I guess, but not a true RPG. It has some RPG elements which work well, but it's still an action game (hack 'n slash) to me. :)

Do not forget one important thing!
Hack'n slash is a subcategory of the RPG genre

It is? I didn't know that.. I always thought it was a hybrid of two popular types of games that just happened to work out well.

I'd personally like to see some more good FPS/RPG hybrids.. system shock 2 pulled that off really well.

You should try Deus ex

@Omuletzu
If you say so,
then it must be true...

You should try Deus ex

@Omuletzu
If you say so,
then it must be true... [/b][/quote]
Is it abandonware? /me looks for it.

No it is not abw

Deus Ex

Unofficial Homepage & Demo

ty, I'll have to check it out. Looks cool.

It most certainly is...

Review in A-Vault, if you´re intrested/-

I chose between Morrowind and Diablo, and the winner is....

:rifle: rum bur rugvm fur mfurm furm rum bum rummeurum
(can't find a 'drums' smiley here)

Morrowind!!!! Can't wait for the next episode. :)

Morrowind is great, just playing through it now. But I still prefer KotOR.

And I prefer Gothic. Strangely no one voted fot it here, though it's a great game... :eeeeeh:

Where did your vote end up?

In Baldur's Gate II, which I discovered before Gothic and which also is unbeaten best RPG for me. :wub:

Sigh,
KODP is still missing...

What is Gothic like?

You know what I liked but never got anywhere because some ****** took it and lost it. Vampire Masquerades. What I played was excellent and I really want to play it again.

Nah, if everybody would say 2+2=5 that still wouldn't make the statement true. ;)

But anyway, it's a matter of definition. To me, true RPGs are only those where combat and interaction with npcs/story are equally balanced. So Diablo, Dungeon Siege and the other clones are not real RPGs imo.

But do you guys remember all those FPS hack and slash RPGs of old? Dungeon Master comes to mind, which is considered to be the game that started the whole genre of dungeon crawlers, and all you ever do in that game is fight and collect loot, still it is considered to be a (hack&slash) RPG. I think it was the Ultima series that revolutionized the genre and gave the player interaction with the world that was not seen in this kind of games before.

i've only played Gothic 2 (planning on playing the first one some day)
But, in short, its a german RPG.
The graphics are okay and the controls are often strange and uneasy.

However the game itself is brilliantly made. Unlike most RPG games like Morrowind or KOTOR people have an actual life.
Each NPC will have his own daily schedual. The simple village folk will wake up in the morning and go listen to the Priest preaching some holy story near his deity's shrine and in the evening they'll go for a drink in the tavern (which is mostly empty during the day) and then go home and sleep.
The fisherman will go and fish, the shipbuilders will continue building their ship and the farmers will go out and farm their land.
In the monastery Monks will all go to prayer in the main chapel in the morning and then return to their jobs like tending the Monastery farms and cattle, or studying and such.

This is often nice when combined with a quest. For example in one thief quest you must steal some rich guy his ring (or was it a key?) But most of the time he works in his shop which is right in one of the busiests parts of the city thus making it impossible to rob him. So you must study his daily routine, its then that you'll see that, each night, he'll pass through a dark alley on his way home and that is where you rob him.

The gameplayworld is this much smaller than, say, Morrowind but also much more alive and realistic. And the landscaped are very nicely done aswell. A dark forest will actually feel gloomy with branches everywhere and dark trees and fog on the ground... this is something Morrowind did not achieve that well.

I'd say it has a brilliant atmosphere... I'd give you a better example of atmosphere in Gothic II, but I'd ruin the story of Gothic I then

Sounds nice. But I'll porbably never get to play it. At that I cry. :cry:

Well anyway, morrowind wins
here are some promo screens of a mod for morrowind I used to work on

Promo #1
Promo #2

Did they ever release that long-awaited multiplayer mod for Morrowind or was that just a hoax?

That was probably a hoax

Where is games that was Legends of CRPG ????

Dragonlance ?
Eye of the Beholder Trilogy ?
Lands Of Lore Trilogy ?
Amberstar ?
Realms Of Arkania Trilogy ?

And so on an so on... There where some point in to them there where true fantasy and mystery

Well we got the choice, maybe not as we expected, but.....
At the end, nobody remembered any TROIKA games?
:cry: :cry:
No Arcanum?
No Temple of Elemental Evil?
:not_ok:

Sigh,.....I'm gettin to old for this B)

10 votes for Morrowind...and I would say 10 votes for Fallout! Fallout 2 rulez!!!

Morrowind all the way! :Brain:

I love the open - endedness of the games as well as the world around you. I also love the view angles and the fact that you can play it through without needing side-kicks to aid you in your quest. (I like to kill monsters without assistance from some jerk who just ends up getting in the way and dying... :ranting: )

The graphics are great and the characters very interesting.

I would love to see one or two different features though - greater ability for defence to be controlled by the user (being able to block, parry etc) and more speech (too lazy to read all the stuff they say! :yawn: )

finally someone else supporting fallout (others may have but i can't be bothered to go back through the topic to check though)

This was supposed to be a poll about NEW RPG's!!
So that meant no BG, no EoB, and so on.But the masses were too strong to control, and the poll had to be modified it seems... :angry:

The question was about "Favorite RPG". It is mentioned nowhere that it must be new or old. ;)

Well, it'd be interesting to separate this into console-style RPGs and PC style RPGs, because there is a definite dichotomy. As for console RPGs, I'd go with Suikoden 2 -- just a brilliant game. Far better than FF7, which was pretty but overrated to me.

I voted for KOTOR out of the RPGs listed here.........to me the most important aspect of an RPG is character interaction/development, interesting NPCs, and a great story. I thought Morrowind was overrated in that regard.......it was a great game, but not necessarily a great RPG in the way I look at them. The story itself wasn't bad, but it wasn't integrated into the gameplay very well; it usually didn't feel like you were a part of any greater story. And almost all of the NPCs were just copies of one another with different dialogue, you never really got a sense of personality from them. That was my problem with Morrowind -- a huge world with lots of options, but without an exceptional story or character involvement.

I liked the Baldur's Gate games, but I just liked KOTOR better.

I'll admit I never played Fallout 1 or 2, but the whole concept wasn't very appealing to me.

And finally, I agree that Arcanum should make this list. I still think I'd vote for KOTOR, but Arcanum had an original concept and did a great job with it.

I loved Morrowind for the reason, that I was able to imagine my role in the story before I actually started the main storyline, by only following the sidequests and talking to NPCs/reading the many books available. For all I know I could be the savior of the people or their doom. To be honest I still haven't finished the game, so I don't know how it actually turns out, so don't spoil it please. ;)

I love how games manage to leave parts of the story to your imagination, similiar to Planescape: Torment, that keeps you guessing for a large part as who/what you really are. Much better than your usual "hero has to slay the evil endboss" story.

Just to add something here...

The best RPG of all time is Ultima 4!

It has a brilliant storyline, a vast world to explore, more secrets than the american goverment, and it actually involves your brain. Yup, that's right, you have to *gasp* THINK!! :blink:

Anyways, of the games listed in the poll I'd settle for Morrowind...

My Favourite RPG Game is ALBION

This Game is from BlueByte i think 1996 or 1997...

Maybe you could review it, as i have a hard time liking it... i mean the graphics are great but i fail to grasp it's essence :eeeeeh:

Seems morrowind is the favourite. I've been palying it for the past 5 days, and although it is good I like KotOR better. I can't explain why, it just is.

Imo morrowind sucks... but that's my opinion.. i'm not going to give reasons, because i don't want to start a flame war...

just to say:

My first RPG ever...DINK SMALLWOOD>>..

and loving it :w00t:

Omu I'd like to hear your opinion on why it sucks.

I'd rather not... but to give you an answer i could say that i for one like games with a lot of action(like hack'n slash).Don't get me wrong, the story counts, but in morrowind the action was fragmented; ie you had to talk to many characters, the discussions were tedious and very long, and you also had to read books :blink:
Of course this is just my opinion.I don't mean that it sucks in the sense that it's poorly made or it has ugly graphics, i mean i don't like it.
And don't start giving me examples from the game, because i played very little of this game.The only thing i remember about this game were the looong dialogues... :eeeeeh: :crazy:

Well although there isn't much action I'm still enjoying it. But there have been many times where it was just so slow so I had to go and play a FPS game to get some action. But I never read books just look at them to see if I could get any skills from them. And I never talk to people. But I spent 3 hours building up my money at a shop. Buy a whole lot of items sell them for a higher price then what I bought them at. Ended up with 56 000 or so by the end. :ok: But it was boring.

I hardly ever read Morrowind's books either, that is one of the things I like about it, the game is really quite deep, but it doesn't force that upon you, you can choose to read the books and talk to the people or just run around killing things, it's what makes the game good.

If you don't read the books you miss out on a lot of lore. ;) But tbh I didn't read all of them either, only the interesting ones. ;)

Oh my god, that sounds SO dull. Im glad i never played it.

That's funny that you say you don't like Morrowind because there wasn't enough action and too much story -- I think the opposite. Morrowind's story was deep if you took the time to dig into it, but like I said before it was barely integrated into the gameplay. You could just run around and kill things and never know anything about the story of the game, and I didn't like that. None of the NPCs were very interesting and your own character really had no personality, so regardless of how well or poorly written the story was, it was a very minor part of the game. It was like they threw it in there because RPGs need some sort of story, but they wanted to make sure it wasn't anything like reading a book or watching a movie where the story is the main focus.

I also hated the environments.......not that they were bad graphics though. That's just purely a matter of taste; I think the environments from Elder Scrolls IV look great.

Morrowind was great the only problem is it ate to much of my free time

I have began playing BG, and i must say that i don't see what all the fuss is about.Many people said it's the best RPG ever made.Before i came into possesion, i found out it was made by Bioware(the guys who made NWN, my favorite RPG).So my hopes were pretty high.But i was soon disappointed by it's dull gameplay.Anyway i didn't get far(right after Gorion is killed).So i hope the game becomes more active afterwards.So after this i tried BG 2.Although i only entered the first room(where you are caged), i could tell that this game is not so boring(at least at the begining).After i play these two games, i'm going to go for Ice wind dale and planescapetorment.I have heard many good things about the latter, so again, my hopes are pretty high.

I voted Morrowind. Since it looks kick-behind, makes you want to explore the world and you are (almost) totally in control of what you do. Also searching for special quests is pretty cool.


Though I think the rpg that impressed me most was Final Fantasy 6

The music, the art, everything was great! especially for a SNES game.

Baldurs Gate is very average to play through these days.
Don't give up on number 2. It starts boring but its really fantastic, the addon is just... WOW.

Icewind Dale is very combat orientated and Planescape Torment is VERY good

Well this depends, If you're hack n slash kinda guy than bg2 and icewindale are good games for you, because you can get ultra-mega-ubercool high level characters with items coming out frome every hole(I mean really you can find a +1 sword in a barrel in the local pub :sick: )
I like BG because it had a great story and you don't have that feeling of being too powerful, it's kinda fun when you have to be carefull and you can't do anything you want, it's much more how would I say realistic.Still playing BG2 was fun.

Now my opinion on NWN is:
It's a catastrophe the game's got this stupid story and you're this special hero from the beggining and you have to save the town etc. I like it when I am unknown it's much more fun playing a thief then.The graphics are stupid , yeah it's 3d SO WHAT?And I guess I dislike 3rd edition dnd rules so that's a factor too, the game is really industrial , made just to squeeze money from consumers because it h has "mega-cool" graphics and monsters.This game doesn't have that something that a real RPG should have it's too linear.

I partially agree with that, Neverwinter Nights got not bad graphics sometimes (like the graphics of the Iron Golem or the Balor - they're just fantastic compared to Baldurs' Gate II), but the story and gameplay is very dull. Though I didn't play the three addons yet, and I'm not sure if I will anyway yet. But people say the addons are much better than the original campaign.

The Second Addon for NWN is much more epic story telling, think BG. Honestly up there with BGII:TOB

The first story was really not up to Bioware standard, but I feel they covered it with excellent multiplayer.

fallout 2 wsa better than fallout (one sequel that was better than the original)

Hi, i'm very new with this whole computer thing, and the way you guys talke about morrowind, i'm thinkning about getting it, can any of you tell me the system reguirements for me to play this, any help would be greatly appriciated. :D

MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
Windows ME/98 128 MB RAM; Windows XP/2000 256 MB RAM; 500 MHz Intel Pentium III, Celeron, or AMD Athlon processor; 8x CD/DVD-ROM Drive; 1 GB free hard disk space; Windows swapfile; DirectX 8.1 (included); 32MB Direct3D Compatible video card and DirectX 8.1 compatible driver; DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card; Keyboard; Mouse

RECOMMENDED:
800 MHz or faster Intel Pentium III or AMD Athlon processor; 256 MB RAM; NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS, or ATI Radeon 7500 or faster video card.

SUPPORTED VIDEO CARD CHIPSETS*:
NVIDIA GeForce4; NVIDIA GeForce3; NVIDIA GeForce2; NVIDIA GeForce 256; NVIDIA TNT2; ATI Radeon 8500; ATI Radeon 7500; ATI Radeon 7200; ATI Radeon; ATI Rage 128; Matrox G550; Matrox G450; Matrox G400


*please note that the lack of 3DFX support is simply because there aren't DX8.1-compatible drivers for those cards

Thank, i'm pretty sure i have all of that, i always like rpg's for the consoles, but i've heard they are much better on the PC. Thanks again :bye:

:help: wheres mu online :angel: :cheers:
:bannana: <-- i just had to too tht

wormpaul, i just downloaded dink smallwood, and it looks great so far.
you can download the whole game for free at:
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All of you guys should try it :ok:

You can also download the whole game for free here on our site: http://www.abandonia.com/game.php?ID=354&genre=rpg :)

Uh, Mario, I guess. I have never played the others... :whistle:

And I don't know how anyone could not have played mario... :eeeeeh:

Mario games are great...

Specially the new one they released a month ago :ok:

Ok, how about we start collecting ideas for a classic RPG only poll? These are the ones I could come up with, but there's surely more, so let's hear your ideas to make the poll as complete as possible:

Ultima
AD&D (Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance...)
Das Schwarze Auge (Realms of Arcania)
Wizardry
Ishar
Might & Magic
Dungeon Master 1+2
Amberstar/Ambermoon
Elvira 1+2/Waxworks
Lands of Lore

we got not enough people for such big votes :whistle:

with all the replies/views this thread had? :sneaky:

only 53 people voted :sneaky:

Diablo is RPG, same as Fallout and BG games.

It's an action title that was marketed as an RPG to double the buying public for the title. It has everything in common with other action titles, and next to nothing in common with RPGs, includling either the BG or Fallout series. If you wish to discuss those points of commonality among 'em and try to make a case for the RPG genre, though, that's fine with me. :)

I'm surprised on a board like this the RPG titles included some that were so recent (KotoR), and missed some of the most popular in the genre that were older (Ultima VII, Ultima IV, Darklands, Betrayal at Krondor, Magic Candle I, Might & Magic III, etc). Still, for sheer writing and several other factors, I gave it to PS:T. It's in my top 5.

maybe more would vote if the poll options were better? :sneaky:

maybe more would vote if the poll options were better? :sneaky: [/b][/quote]

Well there were a couple of people who said they nulled their vote due to bad choices. So If you were to sort out a proper list, you should get more votes.

out of all the option I cohse mario RPG, cause half the games I never played. Mario RPG was a really fun and color full, and graphicly bbetter (at the time) then other rpgs

No Final Fantasy IX :blink: ? Okay...

The story in NWN is one of the richest i ever encountered in any RPG, and i have played many(Dungeon Siege, Throne of Darkness, Diablo, Sacred, Divine Divinity, etc.....).While it's story is very good and grips you right form the start, the gameplay is somewhat clumsy, because of the fighting system, which i agree is dull.But the story is awesome in my opinion.And about the addons, i think they'r good, but don't compare in terms of story with the original(especially the second addon -there are only 2 addons, not 3 :eeeeeh: - which kinda sucks).Besides the storyline, the addons bring new abilities, classes, spells, items, monsters, etc., which is a plus :ok:

I'd add a vote to do a new vote. :max: Especially on an abandonware site, it makes sense to include abandoned RPG classics. I can't comment on the poll creator's knowledge of earlier games, but the poll itself does give the unfortunate impression of computerized RPGs having started up within the last five years or so.

You are correct Borodin, i don't have much knowlegde(spelling?)about old RPG's, although i recently played lands of lore, albion, ultima & other old RPG's.I do like however "new" RPG's.From here i go backwards and play old RPG's.I have many RPG's to play yet, but i have most of the old ones covered.Anyway i could have made this a old favorite RPG poll, but then i couldn't quite justify my option.So instead i made a poll about somewhat recent games.

Omeltzu, have you considered asking the admins to relabel your thread and its poll to specifically reflect "modern" RPGs? Just an offhand thought.

As for me, I'll never forget the amazement I felt upon seeing the environmental interactivity and graphics for Ultima VIIa the first time. There are some poor gameplay decisions by Garriott, but by and large I'm still impressed by its depth of puzzles and scope. Give that one a try, if you can.

I believe he can do it by himself,
He´s a moderator of the forum (quite many of them actually) /-

Kodp,
People please notice the only true rpg around...

LOL! That'll teach me to sign below the dotted line without reading the details. ;)

As for KoDP, it's among my top 3 RPGs of all time: a classic, and a remarkable piece of work. I've posted about it in a thread on GameBanshee, where I'm a mod, but it's hard to get people interested. Allow me to point to another site where there are far more screens, plenty of reviews, and lots of help info for people who are already playing. :)

I know what you mean...
I´ve posted that adress quite a few times already at the thread,
advertised & praised it,
and still,
not a single soul noticed /-

It´s actually one of the best games (if not the best) I´ve ever played...
Such a shame that no-one truly ever noticed it...

Would have been a bliss if A-sharp had made another game...

I thought there came out a third one not long ago?.. :huh:
At least, when I updated my NWN some time ago, there came yet another screen of something other than the two addons, with another name, don't remember it now...

According to David Dunham, the lead designer at A-Sharp, they thought the game would simply sell well over the Web, so they didn't invest a cent in buying floorspace at any of the game retailers who really rake in profits that far surpass those of most publishers and developers. But who knew A-Sharp as a game developer? Even the best publicity from game reviewers didn't help. I raved about the title in an unfortunately deceased publication; a few others did, too. But it didn't help. They had plans for doing a second title using the same game engine, but scrapped these when KoDP failed to sell. Understandable, if sad.

I thought there came out a third one not long ago?..
At least, when I updated my NWN some time ago, there came yet another screen of something other than the two addons, with another name, don't remember it now...

Just two add-ons to date. I think when people refer to the third NWN title, they mean the second add-on, which is confusing. In my opinion, it's the first one to really make use of the roleplaying possibilities in the engine.

I know,
I once asked him about it...

It´s just simply so nice to live in dreams...

Any prospect of starting up a thread here for its discussion, so we can attempt to spread the word? However, it isn't abandonware.

Neverwinter Nights? Bleh..........it and KOTOR are built on the same engine, and I think KOTOR is a far superior game. And I'm a much bigger fantasy fan than sci-fi fan, although I do like Star Wars.

Different engines. NWN uses the Aurora engine. KotoR and its successor use the Odyssey engine.

Really??
Because KOTOR looks much better IMO, and a has a different perspective , NWN is more isometric.

Read up. ;)

Perhaps you mean the CEP (community expansion pack) that added a new picture I think.

I always heard the two games used the same engine, altough Kotor was modified.

By and large I was bored out of my skull by the time I reached chapter 3 or 4 in NWN.
If they wouldn't have included all that thick fog, made the different locations actually different (instead of reusing the same models over and over) like in KOTOR it would have made the game much more enjoyable.

Also the characters should have been given much more detail.
It was difficult to reallyg et involved with the characters since there wasn't really a thing as a 'party' in NWN (you could hire those guys but...)
At the end of Kotor you could easily label your entire crew as a bunch of pathetic depressing sods, but atleast you knew them.

The characters in KOTOR were likeable, unique. In NWN all characters were distant, and the dialogue they did have was dry.

The distance between the PC and the NPC was greater in but one game: morrowind... and even there a few characters with but a few lines had more depth than characters in NWN that had bundles of dialogue.

But enough about this.
this is supposed to be favourite oldies

Read up. ;) [/b][/quote]
Heh I posted in the same time as you...

Does anyone remember that fairly old dungeon crawler it was called the summoning (no i'm not mixing with the summoner) , i rember that it was fun, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Yes, quite a good hybrid it was, too. A shame the game didn't do well--I think it was the last thing that developer did. (He was best known for his maze-like action games, filled with activation puzzles and deadly traps.) I seem to recall seeing it up on HOTU, so if you want it, check there, first.

The Summoning had a great intro and character creation system, too.

Huh I´m the first who voted for Gothic? I would also vote for Fallout 1+2 and BG2 if it where possible. I voted for it ´cause I played it the most time and it´s a brilliant newer RPG and it´s sequel is even greater. Don´t know if it so popular outside Germany and America. Anyone who has never tried it should do it immediately!

I could have sworn KOTOR was built on a modified version of the NWN engine, which in the end amounts to more or less the same engine. But maybe not.

I played it, its pretty known in RPG circles.
Whenever morrowindplayers ask for a more realism in Oblivion (the sequel to Morrowind still in production) they say things like: "like in Gothic"

So I guess it is known in RPG-circles.

They also say, "But please, don't give us a combat system like Gothic's." ;)

Actually, up on the Elder Scrolls forums, there's very little mention of Gothic when talking about what people want in Oblivion. But it's probably the second game they'll bring up, because they like the character interaction. The first is simply all the Morrowind mods, and Bethsoft's cleverly gathered a few of the best mod ideas out there and added them in. Of course, they're available in Morrowind, though.

Myself, I'd like to see a proactive Oblivion: a place where factions and houses actually take action against one another (in various ways, economic, diplomatic, sometimes force) whether you're around and part of them, or not. This was something that the development team told me they wanted in the original MW before it came out, but it didn't make it because of all the coding it required for that one feature.

Hmmm... only've played Fallout 1 and Mario RPG on there. Mario RPG's far from the best RPG out there. Fallout's amazing. Also read a review 'bout Divine Divinity as a kid, which seemed awesome too, just like what I've heard and seen of Morrowind. Besides that, seems like I've got Sacred on my comp (I keep forgetting I have it), so I'll need to play it sometime... but would like to know a bit more 'bout it first.

Divine Divinity? Single PC, third party isometric perspective. The environment's a little more interactive than in most RPGs since Ultima VII: you can gather (and mix) various herbs to form useful potions, and many objects such as rakes can be picked up, and used as weapons (if you wish). You can pause the game to check inventory, or prepare a specific spell. The landscape is huge, and there are an enormous number of quests you can gather and solve in any order you want. (There's still a main plot, but you don't need to advance that until you've exhausted all other possibilities.)

Skills are not tied to character types. Game balance isn't perfect: some skills (and weapons) are either very overpowered or underpowered. Loot found after any battle is randomized within a certain range, but some artifacts show up with wildly different abilities everytime you find them--so it pays to save often, just in case that magical sword you were told lies in wait ahead has almost no value, this time around. (Or just go for the Ironman approach, and accept what you get.)

The last section of the game feels empty, and that's frankly because the development team was pressed to issue it before it was concluded. But it's still a fine RPG, and worth buying.

hmmm, they do mention it quite a bit.

hmmm, they do mention it quite a bit. [/b][/quote]
We'll have to agree to disagree, then. Most posts I read up there mention what people want in Oblivion without reference to any other title.

Borodin, that's what the review I read as a kid said too. What seemed especially worth checking out, was the chemistry engine, that you can pick up fruit, make it rot and make alcohol or poison out of it that way... those things. I kinda meant more information 'bout Sacred though, as I've never heard or seen anything 'bout that game, yet it seems to be on my comp, and Mobygames doesn't have any info 'bout it either.

As for games in that list I know... I forgot to mention I know and've played Diablo II, but that one's boring and repetitive when you're in single player. Wasn't able to get online with it, so I was tired of it after two days.

I didn't like the gothic series...but that's just me. I did however greatly enjoy morrowind, despite it's awkward aiming system.

Now I'm enjoying neverwinter nights.

And I'm certainly going to enjoy oblivion. Gathering money to buy a new computer :D

I played Sacred for a while, but found it very boring. It's a lot like Diablo: kind of mindless, and after a while you realize that there are very few strategic options available, just endless sameness: kill monsters, search for improved versions of the weapons you've trained in, level up, improve your skills, kill more monsters, repeat. The landscape is pretty but dull, and monsters continually regenerate--which means that you have to fight your way back to wherever you got a quest, after completing it. If you need to revisit earlier areas, you face hordes of small level creatures. I'd suggest giving it a pass. But that's just my view.

Can't hurt to give it a try, just to see if there're any interresting engines in it. I quickly saw that single-player Diablo II's boring as hell, but kept playing it a day or so longer to fully check out that slots engine (putting this or that stone/gem/chipped skull in your weapon/armor for this or that extra effect) Turns out to be so damn basic I could do it in a text-adventure/RPG with ease.

I just started playing BG2 again. Still not very far. But why can't I save or rest at certain times in the game?

Or talk to certain people sometimes?

What happens when you try to talk to people? Do you get the message that they're busy? If so, and you're running XP, that's a known bug. It's solved by applying Bioware's latest game patch.

I don't know what to make of the no-save problem. I've never encountered that.

Yes I am using XP, and it does say they are busy. I hope this patch ain't too big.

Could the no saving and no resting thing be caused by the same problem?

It's possible--as I said, I never encountered it. The best way to tell is to download the patch, which you need anyway to get around the other bug.

I would also suggest checking out the Baldurdash site, where there are many fine bugfixes and tweaks for BG2. These should be loaded in after the Bioware patches.

Well just downloaded and installed the patch, but to make sure it works I would have to play it for a while to make sure it doesn't happen again. And so I thank you for your help in advance. :ok:

No problem. Check the BG2 forums on GameBanshee if you have any really in depth questions. They're well-attended, and many of the BG2 modding communities regularly post there, too.

I'll keep that in mind. :ok:

Baldur's Gate 2...For Sure... :Titan:

When I first went to that site, I thought: "Finally, I know what the metallic pants are for!"

As a general guideline, always, always, ALWAYS check to see if a patch is available for a game before you play it. Any game, no matter how old or new.

I couldn't agree more. I've held off playing Rome: TW for just that reason. I'm not going to be a betatester for the development team, who blandly state that they're waiting on a patch until they get loads of feedback covering all the problems nobody bothered to detect earlier. I'll just run it when the patch finally arrives.

Except if you're on 56k <_< ...

Except if you're on 56k <_< ... [/b][/quote]
I know how sad this is for people caught using modems, these days. Unfortunately, the sheer size of most games means huge patches. There are ways around that, such as offering groups of small patches for users in your situation, but most developers don't pursue this route.

My best suggestion would be to get a friend with cable to download the files to CD for you, or to make an arrangement with some Internet cafe that supports copying files to CD.

Hey guys, sorry to get off topic, and to sound like a newb, but most of your guys' signitures are really kool, especialy stroggy's, i was wondering how you make them,
thanks :bye:

Good lord..........I've mentioned Suikoden II for PSX in this thread a couple of times, and how it's definitely the best console RPG that most people haven't played, and is arguably the best console RPG period......and I knew it was difficult to find now. But I was just browsing over a list of greatest RPGs with links to purchase them, and most of the older Final Fantasies and such were available for under 30 dollars. Suikoden II? 119.95. I didn't realize it was quite THAT rare; I guess people are hoarding whatever available copies are left. It's a shame really, because it deserves to be played by as many people as possible but I doubt many new players will find it if it's so rare that it costs over 100 dollars.

Kit, you probably should have started your own topic in Blah blah blah. Your question is valid and in fact more people would see it.

diablo sucks
NWN sucks
fallout sucks
BG its ok but still sucks

Betrayal at Krondor thats a great game i have finish it 20 times and i cant enough of it.

and yes..

i suck too

And I wonder who bothers that you suck... <_<
Only someone who didn't play Baldur's Gate II will say it sucks. Better play it through, then throw your opinions out.

I never played Baldur's Gate II, unfortunately. But I really wasn't that impressed with the first Baldur's Gate; there are plenty of RPG titles that I think are better than it.

well i the think the series og the forgotten ralms is the best games of all time :sneaky: to bad the arent going to make baldurs gate 3 or icewindale two. :bye: :bye: :bye:

They already made Icewind Dale 2. Look it up.

By the way, the story of Baldur's Gate is over. There's no point in a BG3.

Lastly, Ed, Baldur's Gate 2 is a total 360 turn from the original. Ten times better.

I second this. BG2 included numerous improvements imported in part from Planescape: Torment, which the BG2 team acknowledged in public. There's a great deal more interparty dialog. Alignment has several effects. Party members may even very occasionally take control of the action. You don't have to walk long distances to get to important destinations; you take quick shortcuts. You can highlight objects for pickup using a key, and there are a lot more spells, items, weapons, etc, than before. The game also feels as though it were aimed at a somewhat older audience.

The only reason you "suck" is because of your manner of posting!
Refrain yourself from using offensive language, or don't post at all!

Yeah but they should make A BG-like game (I mean based on dnd rules), in the last few years there were only 2 dnd based games (AFAIK).1st Nwn is hack'n'slash, and Temple of elemental evil which could've been a BRILLIANT!!! game but the lack of any (good) story has ruined it.

BG II is the one an only original rpg

not diablo or dungeon siege..
or mario rpg

Gothic, because you can have sex in the game.

That is, in Gothic II. Expect more of it in the third part, when it's out. :sneaky:

You surely were joking? ;)

You surely were joking? ;) [/b][/quote]
I suspect he means out of the very few he quickly named (Diablo, Mario, Dungeon Siege), BG2 was the only true RPG. That's accurate, but pretty pointless as a statement.

I just recently started playing Neverwinter nights. And i'm having a blast. Though still it doesn't gave me the thrill Morrowind gave me.

Depending on what enthuses you, if you enjoy NWN, you'll love the second official add-on. It finally incorporates all those RPG extras that were in the engine, which Bioware announced, and which it didn't use in either NWN or its first add-on.

You can have sex in Fallout , and in BG2(in the Drow city), so that's the least reason for Gothic to be your favourite RPG, sex is like a basic part of any rpg :whistle:

You can have sex in Fallout , and in BG2(in the Drow city), so that's the least reason for Gothic to be your favourite RPG, sex is like a basic part of any rpg :whistle: [/b][/quote]
In Fallout 2 you can become gay too. :D

Well, in Arcanum you can convince a woman to become a lady and afterwards go into the brothel and she gives you a free ride out of gratitude, because she so much likes her new job. :)

Eh, the forum censored what I wrote into "lady", but you get the picture ;)

While playing NWN I had the same feeling.
I was constantly thinking "this is a nice game... not quite morrowind. I guess I'll let it unfold before I judge"
Near the end of the game I figured out it just wasn't that a great game as morrowind (at least not for me)

You can have sex in Fallout , and in BG2(in the Drow city), so that's the least reason for Gothic to be your favourite RPG, sex is like a basic part of any rpg :whistle: [/b][/quote]
In BG2 you can also have sex in the Copper Coronet in the back if you can get in somehow, forget how to though, I suppose you could just walk in.

And if your male dont you also get to *meep* Aerie somewhere near the end.

But of course who really cares whether you can have sex in a game, save that for real life.

Baldurs gate 2 is a good rpg, but Fallout2 is the best ever!!
NWN is a stupid rpg.. they ruined it by making it all in 3d. :not_ok:

Haven't seen/played this Planescape: Torment yet, and wanna play it :cry:

Torment is oriented towards dialogue rather then a balance between combat and dialogue that is in Baldur's Gate 1+2. If you like reading a lot and a very immersive but complicated story then Torment is for you if not then I would not recommend it.

I think it's a matter of what the player regards as a correct balance. :) Personally, I found the balance exactly right. And you can adjust it by playing a fighter-type character with low wisdom/intelligence--this makes for considerably more combat in some situations.

And the music in Planescape - Torment was very catching one, too.

Yes, it was. I wish it had been the hit Interplay was hoping for, instead of the competent success it was. A followup was on the books, but the accounting folks killed it and pulled the team off, giving them TORN. Then, they pulled the BIS development team off TORN, and that occasioned a lot of grumbling. Interplay dealt with this in a sensible way, by firing the entire team--some of their most creative people. Shame.

Secret Of Mana :kosta:

You mind giving me some arguments as to why you think the excellent looking graphics in NWN ruined it ?!
:rifle:

The graphics were most surely not what ruined whatever it is they did. Rather the story of the game + addons wouldn't come up to the one in Baldur's Gate II or Planescape Torment.

Hello everyone,

I voted BG2 :ok: . (and there some good mods out there, that make it even better)

My top 5 rpg's are:

1. BG series :Titan:
2. Planescape Torment
3. Icewinddale series
4. Morrowind (I really like this game, but i hate combat in 1st person view.
5. Arcanum

NWN is ok too, but only in multiplayer. When you've played bg2 and compare it NWN it misses pure atmosphere. that's what i think at least.

Hm. I'd have to agree on that it doesn't quite have the atmosphere that Baldur's Gate has but if you're looking for atmosphere, I think the best games to have it were the Fallout series. All of them, including Tactics. :)

I'm actually pretty surprised that Myst didn't make it into the list, maybe thats just me. :bleh:

Propably because it is mostly,
Puzzle solving & adventure /-

An advertisement
King Of Dragon Pass

What's with Diablo 1 (although it's not a real RPG), Baldur's Gate 1, Icewind Dale (1&2), the Ultima Series etc. ? :D

mmh... difficult choice... either Baldur's Gate 2 or Fallout 2.... mmmhh ^^

What the... This poll is still running after all this time?

And me who did not even get over the fact that some people do consider Diablo II an RPG yet... :eeeeeh:

The poll's been pretty much discarded. The thread's just a kind of zone to express whatever we think are pretty good RPGs. And I agree with you about Diablo. :D

I don't agree with you, but the poll's longevivity is a testament to the addictivness that RPG's can provide!!

(instead of making a new topic I'l just post it here if anbody doesn't mind)
Which kind of RPGs do you like?
FRP like BG,Fallout and alike
or
Japanese RPGs like FF, Suikoden and alike?

An rpg is an rpg for me. What makes an rpg better than another is usually the world it take place and, by far from anything else, the story.

WTF is an RPG? Rocket Propelled Granade?

Role Playing Game.

Actually I think people are still voting last I saw it Morrowind was leading with 13 and everything else was under 10 votes.

My favourite RPG listed here are Fallout 1&2.:kosta: I also like the Wizardry Series. Why aren´t they listed?

Now...
Imagine the list with all possible rpg games you can think of /
Did that answer your question?

[There ain´t KodP, There shouldn´t be any other]

I think his point was that Wizardry was a big favorite of many RPG players, and it's not in the list, while Diablo and Mario, definitely not RPGs, are in the list. So it isn't a matter of adding every RPG, but selecting the biggest titles over the last 20-25 years, rather than the most heavily publicized titles over the last 3-5 (with a few exceptions).

And yes, KoDP should definitely be in there.

This has been debated before! Diablo is a hack and slash, a subcategory of RPG!
As i have said twenty times before, this poll is only about fairly new rpg's(BG, torment were added by Tom later)

I got his point in itself,
/ My point merely was that the beginner couldn´t in anyway remember all of the "important to the genre" rpg:s when he/she started the thread /-

Recent RPGs: fine. So Mario and Diablo qualify, but Anito, Evil Islands, and King of Dragon Pass don't? Seems pretty arbitrary, but hey, if I'm not allowed to express an opinion, I won't.

Racism it is,
Yes, it must be... /-

But however since we both have already voted,
Adding Kodp to the list wouldn´t benefit so much anymore...

A shame really /-

I already said a few times that we should make a classic RPG poll, and even suggested a few titles, but seems no one has the guts to make one... ;)

Why don't you make it Mad-E-Fact.

totally agreed.

I played most of the games listed on the poll, and I used to prefer the more ''traditional'' (AD&D style) RPGS. But then I found Star Wars: Knights Of The Old Republic...

If I just go ahead and make one, people will again complain because a lot of games will be missing. That's why I said lets collect titles for that poll first, to make it as complete as possible.

So what's on the list so far Mad?

These were the most well-known RPG series I could remember

Now everyone should build on that, but of course the list can't be too long.

The Golden Box Series?
(Knights of the krynn, The dark queen of krynn, Pools of darkness etc etc...)

Those are the AD&D games I mentioned, but Gold Box would probably be the better term, as there have been other games based on the AD&D rules aswell.

Those are the AD&D games I mentioned, but Gold Box would probably be the better term, as there have been other games based on the AD&D rules aswell. [/b][/quote]
My error,
Dark Suns?

Also,
The Eye of Beholder series /-

Yay. Two other people actually voted Mario RPGs. :party:

All I know is that the Fallout games isn't getting nearly enough lovin'

I'd say KotOR just because I'm a big Star Wars fan, but that game is really good. I'm not a big fan of the RPG's but KotOR made me love'em

No Final Fantasy? O.o

Mario RPG is the only thing on the list I've played so um..yeah :P

Best I've played: I'd have to say Final Fantasy IV or the original.

Wow i tottaly agree with you :ok: , this games back in time ruind my life :whistle: , i have to sleep and eat for days :angel:

I'll add them to the list.

Ultima (Origin)
AD&D Goldbox (SSI)
Das Schwarze Auge (Realms of Arcania) (Attic)
Wizardry (Sir-tech)
Ishar (Silmarils)
Might & Magic (3DO)
Dungeon Master 1+2 (FTL)
Amberstar/Ambermoon (Thalion)
Elvira 1+2/Waxworks (Horrorsoft)
Lands of Lore (Westwood)
The Elder Scrolls (Bethesda)
Dark Sun 1+2 (SSI)
Eye of the Beholder (SSI)


Any more ideas?

Realms of Arkania series (Startrail, etc).. still, I voted for Torment :D

I'll probably have to say bg 2, but I'm actually playing Planescape Torment right now and it's pretty freakin good!! But of course since I haven't finished it I wont know if the ending blows so I can't call my new favorite just yet

You'll like it a lot - if not the ending, how the plot developes and how you come to love the characters :ok:

You won't be dissapointed.
My all time favorite is BG2 but Torment is close and in some aspects better.

You'll like it a lot - if not the ending, how the plot developes and how you come to love the characters :ok: [/b][/quote]
So far there's no dissapointment, and I already love the characters. how about that fall from grace?? :ok:

Hi all.
I picked Fallout 1 because it was basically the first totally awesome game I ever played to completion. Yes, yes, all of the other games have their places, but Fallout pulls you deep into the post-apocalyptic era and lets you kill ANYONE. I love playing this game still. (It works on XP).

I Have all of the baldur's Gates, and though they are great games, there are plenty of other games just like them or better out there.

There is no game (besides Wasteland) quite like Fallout in its originality.

I liked Ignus and the githyanki the most. :) Also their background story and their relationships with the main character was very... interesting to uncover.

oh my god SHHHHH!! don't give anything away!!!

Indeed.

Why'd you ressurect this topic?
Diablo II is a RPG, and don't say otherwise. The only people that do are usually abnormal obsessed weirdos that say anything that only requires a small amount of intelligence to play is not a RPG. A RPG does not require you to be the Einstein of your time.
Here's a better phrase, Diablo II: RPG for Dummies.
And a lot more fun that others. :bleh:

My favorite RPG is System Shock 2

To be honest, I didn't understand that phrase: "...The only people that do are usually abnormal obsessed weirdos that say anything that only requires a small amount of intelligence to play is not a RPG...", but remark about "Diablo II : RPG for Dummies" is quite right.

Well there you go, it's a RPG.
I meant that most people think because of it's simplicity it's not a RPG.
Which is a total fiasco. Many seem to think that if it's not as deep or centered around complete control over your character, or obsessive and complex char development, then it's not a RPG.
Those people usually don't realize that the point of a RPG is to be fun, not complex, therefore they are jaded morons.
I'm not calling you one, but there are some people that for some reason become insanely angered by stupid things.

I see. Well, I would sooner call Diablo "Arcade+RPG" game in that case. Not vice versa.

Oh come on you do quests, upgrade stats, have character classes, Buy new armour and fight swarms of monsters.
Thats as RPG as it comes!!!!!! :ranting:

we including MMORPG;'s?

cuz world of warcraft is actually insanely good

Well it's a good enough reason. The RP in RPG mean Role Playing, in Diablo(1 or 2) you don't take a single decision, you just follow the map and Hack'nSlash. It's a cool game no mistake about that (i spent countless hours enjoying it), but this complete abscence of control or interaction with the way the story goes is (to me) the absolute proof that it's not a RPG. You can't even go to a new zone until you finish the one you're in.

Btw, i voted Planescape torment, not because it's my favorite (even though i liked it enough to finish it four times) but because it's the closest to what i define as RPG in that list. That list seriously lacks Daggerfall. :ranting:

From the mentioned: Diablo 2.

Well it's a good enough reason. The RP in RPG mean Role Playing, in Diablo(1 or 2) you don't take a single decision, you just follow the map and Hack'nSlash. It's a cool game no mistake about that (i spent countless hours enjoying it), but this complete abscence of control or interaction with the way the story goes is (to me) the absolute proof that it's not a RPG. You can't even go to a new zone until you finish the one you're in.

Btw, i voted Planescape torment, not because it's my favorite (even though i liked it enough to finish it four times) but because it's the closest to what i define as RPG in that list. That list seriously lacks Daggerfall. :ranting: [/b][/quote]
Impossible, that cannot define a roleplaying game.
The definition of roleplaying is a character that you develop, usually this HAS to involve armor and such, when we say RPG elements, that means character development, as in "Should I add this skill?"
Oh, and saying just because you need to finish one area to go to the next is not a reason enough to validate that it's not a RPG. Deus Ex forced you to finish missions too, and so did System Shock.
You can't simply validate it that way.
Even Planescape: Torment had you requiring to finish certain tasks to move on forward.

That's pretty definitive ! :D

But i'll agree that Diablo uses (and abuses) RPG elements like character building. But it's no more RPG Than heroes of Might and Magic.

Mine is Warcraft III Reign Of Chaos. I just got it today even though im not a fan of the genre! (Although i do like RPGs like Secret Of Mana or Final Fantasy VII)

That's pretty definitive ! :D

But i'll agree that Diablo uses (and abuses) RPG elements like character building. But it's no more RPG Than heroes of Might and Magic. [/b][/quote]
Abuses?
You sir, have no respect for games whatsoever.
If I at this moment starting playing Diablo II and created a new character, I could only choose from a preset class, with preset starting items, but I give him a NAME, I give him EQUIPMENT, I DEVELOP him in any way I choose.
As far as I see it, you're point has no good reasoning behind it, the only reason you don't believe Diablo II as a RPG is because you are in spite of it.

Oh sure, you click alot, but that's a GAME mechanic, you can't expect them to want to make another DnD or some other crappy game. Blizzard wanted to make a RPG that was FUN, and now for a good reason they accomplished, and people enjoy it everyday, in fact, tens of thousands of them do.

Abuses?
You sir, have no respect for games whatsoever.
If I at this moment starting playing Diablo II and created a new character, I could only choose from a preset class, with preset starting items, but I give him a NAME, I give him EQUIPMENT, I DEVELOP him in any way I choose.
As far as I see it, you're point has no good reasoning behind it, the only reason you don't believe Diablo II as a RPG is because you are in spite of it.

Oh sure, you click alot, but that's a GAME mechanic, you can't expect them to want to make another DnD or some other crappy game. Blizzard wanted to make a RPG that was FUN, and now for a good reason they accomplished, and people enjoy it everyday, in fact, tens of thousands of them do. [/b][/quote]
Wooo go get em Piggy!!! :Brain: :Brain:

I’m whole heartedly with you on this one!!!
In my opinion RPG no longer means role playing game.
When I see it I think about character building and I think that this is shown in games like Deus Ex which are thought of as FPS/RPG.
In this game you do just about as much role playing as and First person shooter i.e. Golden eye, but because you add to stats and alter your character to your liking it is dubbed an RGP.


...Well that’s my opinion :ph34r:

im one of the many that dont think that Diablo IS a RPG
for me Rpg still means roleplaying game and stat building is not the main thing in it
Deus Ex..though it wasnt RPG at all,it had good,story,you could select which "way" to go
and it gave feeling that you are in that and thats about rpg should be
sorry but clik..clik..clik..clik..clikclikclick isnt my favourite genre
(i played diablo when i was younger and quite enjoyed it,but now whenrever i see somebody playing it it looks incredibly dumb)

And here it comes into view.
Remember when in my earlier posts I said that some people don't think it's a RPG because it's so simple?
There you go.
Toxik, there's no way it can't be a RPG, as I've said before, the clicking is a game mechanic, it has nothing to do with the genre, I think you say that RPGs HAVE to be in a certain league, i.e. they have to be like Baldur's Gate or Fallout, and just because it isn't like those, it can't fit into the genre.
Deus Ex IS a RPG, there is no denying it. If the game had an overhead perspective, then damn, it would be exactly like an RPG. You create a character (Stats, name, etc.) you make choices on your path, you talk with NPCs and your character develops on how you want him to develop (be evil, good, etc.) If that's not roleplaying, then I don't know what is.

So far, no one has any good reasons to accuse Diablo or any other game of not fitting into the genre of RPG.
I just think you guys don't really understand the definition of an RPG.

And the definition is?
I think its about playing a role.or feeling like you play one,that you can change something.Diablo has only one preset way to go

The definition of RPG...
That can only be described in one way.
We must dissect the game.

-------------- Diablo and You----------------

Hey, I wanna play Diablo 2! Let's see here.... Which class should I choose? I like spells, but I don't want to be completely weak... A Necromancer would do fine!
(At this point the player chooses a character suited to him)

What should I name him? Mmm... Boobles sounds good, I like that name.
(The player connects with his new character)

Loading... ah... I have no equipment and only one skill.
(Here the player realizes that he's going to have to develop his character)

Hullo... this "Warriv" wants to speak to me, I'll go chat to all the townspeople.
(The player interacts with NPCs learning of the word and some of the other essentials)

Warriv told me to go to Akara to get a quest... I should listen.
(The player identifies with the NPC and understands him, therefore building towards a better understanding of the game world and the direction one needs to go in)

The Den of Evil? That's somewhere in the Blood Moore...
(The player identifies areas of the game, letting him see the world as it is)

Walking around outside.... Mmm... A zombie!
(The player encounters a monster, his first confrontation, this eases him in)

Yeah! I killed him! Let's see what "Summon Skeleton" does to his body.
(The character experiments with his skills, after discovering the effects, he searches around in the skill tree, and then decides what his future decision will be, deciding which skills he should develop later on.)

I levelled! Let me see... Teeth looks like it might help.
(The player takes the first step towards changing his character, he now becomes more attatched to the certain player.)

Etc.

Those are all elements of roleplaying, the definition of roleplaying is playing a ROLE and then DEVELOPING that role, that's why FPS games or ACTION games can't be RPGs, you are playing a role, but you are not developing that role.

That's what a RPG is.
If you don't believe me, then you must understand that D&D invented the system, and the pure essence of D&D is in fact, developing your character.

I only realised this now.
Question: No Arcanum??? :eeeeeh:
Vote qoes to that.

Guys, Diablo 2 is an Action RPG. RPG is a very large genre and encompasses games like Diablo and like ADOM or Planescape: Torment.

And I know I said Planescape Torment eariler and it is a very good game, I now give my backing to Fallout 2 as the best RPG ever.

Well to you a RPG is all about character development, i don't agree on that. I think character development is a big part of RPG but not the whole of it, as i said interacting with the story is as much important as improving your stats. And there is the alignement thing too. In Diablo there is no evil path, you can only do the right thing so paladins and necromancers dance to the same tune. This hardly qualify as RPG to me. You may not agree with that but i'm not the only person who sees Diablo as an action game with RPG elements. It's not an insult, and i don't despise the game, i like it alot (both of them by the way). So cool it down a bit there ! You react as if you were the guy who developped the game all by himself and overeacts over everything that's said about it. The things i said were not even criticism for god's sake, just the genre i think it belongs to.

A interactive story is a interactive fiction. :D
Text-based games.
In Diablo, you do interact with the story, just in a more linear manner.

I choose Final Fantasy! Whoops, not there.

I recently (week ago) bought two games - Icewind Dale II and Morrowind. I haven't made my own opinion about these games yet, because I didn't play a lot in them now (have other things to do), so I decided to ask, what do you all think about them.

Both are great, but wildly different from each other.
Given a choice, I'd prefer Morrowind myself, but I guess many would choose differently :)

KORTOR Is THE BeSt :D

Personally, I much prefer Morrowind. The IWD series plays like strategy titles, just placed in an RPG setting. In Morrowind, you can go anywhere, do anything, and there are hundreds of distinctive caves, dungeons, etc--not to mention several thousand mods which do everything from add new armor to major quests.

By the way, Morrowind's successor, Oblivion, is due out in about 1-2 months. It's expected to have fairly high PC requirements.

Diablo is a hack 'n slay game.. like dungeon siege or dungeon keeper or Beyond Divinity or Sacred.. real RPG's allow user to create an character and real RPG's have a story to tell, thats what makes them Colorfull and bright.. a story where u can get involved with and participate with it..

My Favourite Pc RPG is Gothic.. i've never played a game with such a deep and fascinating Story... try it and you will understand me..

Gothic II is also nice but never comes close to his predecessor ..
Gothic is not a "Classic" diehard RPG it's a good mix between Classic RPG's like Baldurs Gate and typical Action RPG's

I'm also a big fan of Baldurs Gate and Baldurs Gate II
they are the best D&D Game adaptation imo.. they deal with real D&D issues, but that's also a big weakness of BG.. because it makes it difficult for RPG noobs to get familiar with the game..

Because I'm a big Star Wars fan, my vote goes for KOTOR! (the sequel was not so good imo) Wielding two lightsabers and wearing a Jedi Master robe gives you a feeling you can't compare to anything else. (Or maybe only a few things :D ) And axes, maces, staves ...etc. don't have that sound effect of a lightsaber.

Gothic. Easily.

Fallout 2. Complex and hard. My true love :wub:

Gothic was great, except for that terrible control scheme.
Fallout 2 hard? Not if you play it right, :bleh: .

Well, I should have voted Daggerfall, but since it isn't listed and I haven't played Morrowind yet, lets say BG2

Fallout 2 easy? Depends how ambitious you are :bleh:

FO2 has to be my favourite RPG, it's just the whole feel of it and the way they crammed so much stuff into it (like the ultra-violence, sex and drugs).