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Tulac 05-11-2006 11:21 AM

I'm using Bittorrent and it's causing odd problems on my PC (spends bandwith even though both upload and download are 0 kb/s), so I'm reverting to uTorrent which I used to use anyway.
But I still have a couple of unfinished downloads, so will those downloads continue in uTorrent or start all over again?

Abi79 05-11-2006 12:34 PM

Downloads will start all over again. Every program uses a different way of saving what has already been downloaded, as far as I know. Try BitComet. I like it, and if you find a torrent with an acceptable number of seeds, everything will be fine.

Tulac 05-11-2006 12:43 PM

Well then I'll wait until the downloads are over, it doesn't matter if there are seeds or not bittorrent is always active and spends my bandwith even though the stats in the program show no activity, also my firewall breaks down when I use it, and I didn't have such problems with uTorrent, so I'll use it cause I know it's good.

Havell 05-11-2006 09:00 PM

It you move the partially completed downloads to the folder where utorrent downloads them to (usually "...My Documents/downloads") then it should pick them up when they left off.

You really should go to utorrent as soon as possible, it's much better than ordinary Bittorrent.

Tulac 05-11-2006 09:22 PM

Have switched back to uTorrent. Mmmmmm simple and light mmmm...

gregor 06-11-2006 12:41 PM

Is it better then bittorrent?
from screenshots i think i used to have something similar installed yet it keep on crashing when i exited or even crashing the computer. bittorrent is ok now, didn't see it steel too much bandwidth (then again wasn't doing anything big) but problem is it can download only 3 things at a time (cause for more i think i would have to pay or something)

Tulac 06-11-2006 12:47 PM

Utorrent is only a 170kb .exe file, no installation or anything, and it has all the options of bittorrent even more as far as I can see.

chainsoar 06-11-2006 12:52 PM

I used Bitcomet. Not that I use any torrent client all that often really, but when I do, Bitcomet's the one for me.

Morrin 06-11-2006 12:54 PM

uTorrent in my experience kicks behind!

gregor 07-11-2006 05:52 AM

thats actually micro torrent right? that u in beginning is actually letter micro right?

this one ?: http://www.utorrent.com/

The Fifth Horseman 07-11-2006 08:54 AM

Yah. It's a good one, using it myself.

bobson 07-11-2006 02:56 PM

I use BitSpirit. All I need is there.
There should be no problem with transferring downloads from one client to another. Once I had Azureus (extemly slow), and when I moved to BitSpirit, it only took some time (not long) to check the donloaded parts.

Tulac 07-11-2006 09:16 PM

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thats actually micro torrent right? that u in beginning is actually letter micro right?

this one ?: http://www.utorrent.com/
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Yep it's more simple to write uTorrent than microtorrent...
Anyway another torrent question, does the upload speed affect the download, will I be able to have greater speeds if I share more bandwith?

The Fifth Horseman 08-11-2006 09:00 AM

Yes and yes.

JJXB 13-11-2006 04:46 PM

not what i found last night. i was downloading a particular set of files that added up to 1.9gb and i wasn't getting much even though my upload ratio was something like 425% :wallbash:

Tulac 13-11-2006 06:42 PM

The number of seeders was probably low.

Bobbin Threadbare 03-12-2006 02:35 PM

Use Azureus if you have some spare RAM (about 60mb). By far the best. Except RAM issues.

Mighty Midget 03-12-2006 02:42 PM

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Use Azureus if you have some spare RAM (about 60mb). By far the best. Except RAM issues.
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RAM issues? Tell me about it. Jeez! I can't have the darn thing running for long before my system begin to stall. The only reason I still use it is because I've gotten used to it and don't bother learning to use yet another one.

Bobbin Threadbare 03-12-2006 02:46 PM

Heheh. If you have 1gb ram it seems fine.

velik_m 05-12-2006 07:41 AM

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Originally posted by JJXB
not what i found last night. i was downloading a particular set of files that added up to 1.9gb and i wasn't getting much even though my upload ratio was something like 425% :wallbash:
from bittorent faq:
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Sometimes, limiting your upload rate will increase your download rate. This is especially true for asymmetric connections such as cable and ADSL, where the outbound bandwidth is much smaller than the inbound bandwidth. If you are seeing very high upload rates and low download rates, this is probably the case. The reason this happens is due to the nature of TCP/IP -- every packet received must be acknowledged with a small outbound packet. If the outbound link is saturated with BitTorrent data, the latency of these TCP/IP ACKs will rise, causing poor efficiency.

Use a client that allows limiting of the upload rate, and set it to around 80% of the maximum rate observed. It can be tempting to limit the rate to very small values. On very healthy torrents, this will not adversely affect the download rate. However, when there are fewer peers you will generally get higher download rates by allowing the highest upload rate possible before saturating the link -- the (approx.) 80% sweet spot.[/b]

Titan 06-12-2006 03:40 AM

There is a neat little program called NetLimiter that allowes you to set what bandwith (up and down) a sertain program will be allowed to use, and you can see what connections (IP) they are connected to and limit them aswell. This allows you to save something for normal surfing/IMs/IRC and so on, and quickly redestribute where you need the speed.
It was worth every $ it costed and ofc. there is a free trial to download.

Anyway, i think many ppl assumed it was common knolige that xDSL can suffer as it's not always full duplex.

Look... a torrent will NEVER go fast then the swarm is sending, no matter WHAT connection you are on.
Sometimes i'm stuck with 3 seeds and 4k/s download.. sometimes it's 3 seeds and 1,3 MB/s download..
So remember that you are part of the swarm.. share your bandwith as much as you expect to get part of the share.

Personaly i use ABC and uTorrent. No reasons realy why.. ABC seems to be able to handle heavy loads and uTorrent is fast when connecting to peers and get the loading going. Both have the option to select what to download in the torrent, and in what order. Usefull to say the least, sometimes.

gregor 06-12-2006 08:25 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Titan @ Dec 6 2006, 05:40 AM) [snapback]270461[/snapback]</div>
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Both have the option to select what to download in the torrent, and in what order.
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well that's a neat function! how does utorrent handle interrupted transmissions? e.g. if computer reboots for no good reason. or if it crashes? does it have bo start again form beginning (or from the place where it stopped previously)? or does it save continuously so that it can start over form the last save before the computer crashed?

Titan 06-12-2006 02:59 PM

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Titan @ Dec 6 2006, 05:40 AM) [snapback]270461[/snapback]
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Both have the option to select what to download in the torrent, and in what order.
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well that's a neat function! how does utorrent handle interrupted transmissions? e.g. if computer reboots for no good reason. or if it crashes? does it have bo start again form beginning (or from the place where it stopped previously)? or does it save continuously so that it can start over form the last save before the computer crashed?
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Seems like you don't have much experience of how a torrent work ;)

The target file(s) or whatever, is broken down into peices, usualy around 1-60 KB / peice.
Then the torrent client seeks for ANY peice in any order.
Once the peice is retrived and the hash is confirmed and adds up as it should if the peice is uncorrupted by the transfere, the peice is added to the local copy you'r building.
So.. If you accidently shut down or the computer screws up, all confirmed peices are there next time you boot, and only the once that wasn't compleated is lost.
The file(s) you'r downloading are not done until the torrent is at 100%. In theory you could get stuck at 99.99% with all files in the target not compleate, OR you could have 97% and have all essential files done, and perhaps only some stuff you didn't need anyway, not ready.

Your client will request no specific peices unless you define what to download first. And when you are downloading, you are not (usualy) downloading the entire copy from ONE person, but rather a large number of ppl, most of them with only partial copies, as any peice, once it's done, is in the swarm as a share.
If you are finished, and you have un Upload/download ratio of 400% (uploaded 4 times the ammount you've downloaded), the chanses are pretty good you actualy didn't share every single peice, but rather peices that wasn't shared by others.
This is all to ensure that the most requested peice is quickly compensated and eliminating bottlenecks in the swarm.

Example: User A starts sharing a file concisting of 10 peices, all numberd 1 to 10.
User B downloads peice 1 from A
User C downloads peice 6 from A
User D downloads peice 2 from A
now..
User B downloads peice 6 from C
User D downloads peice 3 from A
User C downloads peice 1 from B
and so on... It eases the load from the innitial sharer.
Essentialy a user can share his file X by downloading it once to an infinit number of ppl, as they themselves share amongst each other in the swarm.

Cloudy 07-12-2006 10:14 AM

I usually use Azureus, it seems like the best to me. I guess my computer has enough RAM to handle it hehe. I still need a major upgrade to play Oblivion though haha.

win98 07-12-2006 11:43 PM

Bit torrent is a peice of ****. When you disable it's auto start since it waists tons or resources when you run it it re enables it with a new entry with out so much as a dialog asking you if you want to do it. Ive been looking for somthing different so i'll try the ones suggested.

bobson 15-01-2007 08:46 PM

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Bit torrent is a peice of ****.
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I will not agree. I download mostly from torrents. I have 3 programs to download on my computer, and I use them whether i need something fast or I need something rare.

DC++ is fastest way to achieve files, but if someone disconnects or delete the files ... The End. BTW - it's not always easy to find what You need ...

eMule - slow as slowest of the slimes ... but what I need -> I got it! Sometimes it takes a week, but it comes to me.

And now my favourite: BitTorrent. Quite fast if downloading something new and popular. Pretty sure, that I'll get what I want (in two above systems I have found A LOT of fakes - in Torrents ... 2 or 3). And what makes it best -> nearly constant download. No queues like eMule, no need to wait for slots, or user disconnected. When it's on it means it's on and downloading!

win98 15-01-2007 11:48 PM

The sites ok but it's the program called bittorrent that sucks.

bobson 16-01-2007 07:28 AM

Actually by bittorrent i meant the system -> not the program. The program I use is BitSpirit.

Tulac 16-01-2007 12:42 PM

Yeah but he meant that Bit Torrent sucks as in program not the system.

win98 16-01-2007 06:35 PM

You can't complain about the system but you can about the program. Does anyone know of a good bittorrent client.

crazedloon 17-01-2007 05:44 PM

I don't use torrents at all any more, but when I was on Windoze I was frustrated with BitTorrent, and used Azureus for a time (cool program but maybe it's overkill with too many features). Then I settled on the lean and mean ABC (Another BitTorrent Client):

http://pingpong-abc.sourceforge.net/

This is a good bittorrent client program: very small and easy to configure. I think it's the best.

The Fifth Horseman 18-01-2007 10:51 AM

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You can't complain about the system but you can about the program. Does anyone know of a good bittorrent client.[/b]
uTorrent, nuff said.

gregor 17-02-2007 05:37 AM

OK you uTorroent lovers, i tried it. but something is wrong. files don't really have any download speed or are not downloading at all.ž

i checked the speed settings and ther eis this port you are supposed to configure for faster downloads. well wehn i tested the speed it gave me an error. what might i be doing wrong? i know there is a lot of seeders for the file i wan't to download and as it happened a few days after about 2 weeks of inactivity one 1.2GB and another 700MB file downloaded in 6h. the rest also downloaded a larger portions. but now everyhting is stopped again. what could be the problem.

i have zone alarm installed, but i oppened up the ports for uTorrent and i also has full acces to internet. secondly the router firewall also has everyhitng opened for uTorrent. so why can't anything get through (Or so it seems). this has to be one of longest downloads ever. previously on Bitttorrent it took about a week for 4.3GB file. now it's been 3 weeks and almnost no progress.

I also openeed the section which shows the graph and speed is usually at 0 sometimes 1 kb for a few secs. also i remember when i put it on the computer for files there were a lot of peers on the list. now it is usually just one eventhough i know the torrent file has more seeders and more leecher than 1.


EDIT: Never mind. i fixed it... wow this thing is fast....


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