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STFM 17-08-2007 04:02 AM

Ive never read LOTR and I dont plan to.

Bill Murray does what Bill Murray wants

Halo the movie? Are there ANY video game inspired movies that have been any good?
Silent Hill? crap
Street Fighter? crap
Mortal Kombat? enjoyable crap
Dead or Alive? my gawd so utterly crap
Doom? crap
Bloodrayne? crap
Resident Evil? ill pass it cos of milla
Mario Bros? crap
Final Fantasy? was ok i suppose
Double Dragon? crap
Tomb Raider? crap
Tekken? Havent seen it

Tito 17-08-2007 08:00 AM

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Peter Jackson is not that great a director.

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Hey! I liked "Meet the Feebles"

Lulu_Jane 17-08-2007 11:41 AM

My little 2cents -

Imagination can't die, because if it did, so would we as a species.

I mean, when we were back sitting around in caves our disproportionately large brains began to allow us to imagine/envisage a life outside of the cave, a better life. It allowed us to paint and create gods and burial customs and culture and basically evolve* as a species. Hell, imagination even got us to the moon :)

Without it we're nothing really.

And I am an optimist I suppose.

*note I'm not using the term in the clinical scientific sense here :P

EDITED: For spelling.

Japo 17-08-2007 12:06 PM

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Peter Jackson is not that great a director. **SNIP** so great was the story on which they were based. Not that the films were really all that great anyway. Rankin Bass Productions did a much better adaptation of Return of the King way back in 1978.[/b]
Couldn't agree more.

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The best thing about Jackson's trilogy is that it paves the way for someone else to come around, at a later date, and do it right.[/b]
I'd like that to be true, but dunno. The Academy suckers acclaimed it not only as the peak of a derided genre (adventure), but also as a gorgeous movie in its own merits. When it's nothing but more of that stinky John Woo discotheque violence which may be okay to gobble pop corn up especially if you're 13 years old but simply doesn't get along with Tolkien's epics. Yes Tolkien's story is there but only to be raped instead of adapted and in an extremely boring way into the bargain. Plus nowadays actors grossly overact when the movie's setting is not contemporary. Conan the Barbarian was way better as an adventure movie, better script, better directed, better movie, I bet the filming crew had better catering even. (However I'm fairly convinced that Conan's sequels are on the other hand complete crap even though I've seen like two minutes of one of them.)

Another LOTR movie can always be done but it's not in the Ideas pile of anyone's desk and no-one in Hollywood will want to compete in the short term with the handfull of Academy awards Jackson got directing as a spam bot.

Lulu_Jane 17-08-2007 12:09 PM

for me, the only King kong is the 1930's version :)

chumloofah 17-08-2007 12:09 PM

If those movies are indicative of imagination I think it's time for the species to call it a day.
It's time to move over and let a race that couldn't conceive such crap take over.
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Peter Jackson is not that great a director. What made the LOTR films so great was the story on which they were based. [/b]
So true.
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I mean, when we were back sitting around in caves our disproportionately large brains began to allow us to imagine/envisage a life outside of the cave, a better life. It allowed us to paint and create gods and burial customs and culture and basically evolve* as a species. Hell, imagination even got us to the moon
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And now it's telling us that Halo and Fartman are golden opportunities we let slip by.
Wake up. Time to die.
*dove flies away*

Lulu_Jane 17-08-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Chumloofah

And now it's telling us that Halo and Fartman are golden opportunities we let slip by.

Touche, good Sir :D

Japo 17-08-2007 02:43 PM

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for me, the only King kong is the 1930's version :)[/b]
For me, the only shooter is GORILLA.BAS LOL kidding

rlbell 18-08-2007 01:30 AM

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rlbell @ Aug 17 2007, 04:18 AM) [snapback]305001[/snapback]
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The best thing about Jackson's trilogy is that it paves the way for someone else to come around, at a later date, and do it right.[/b]
I'd like that to be true, but dunno. The Academy suckers acclaimed it not only as the peak of a derided genre (adventure), but also as a gorgeous movie in its own merits. When it's nothing but more of that stinky John Woo discotheque violence which may be okay to gobble pop corn up especially if you're 13 years old but simply doesn't get along with Tolkien's epics. Yes Tolkien's story is there but only to be raped instead of adapted and in an extremely boring way into the bargain. Plus nowadays actors grossly overact when the movie's setting is not contemporary. Conan the Barbarian was way better as an adventure movie, better script, better directed, better movie, I bet the filming crew had better catering even. (However I'm fairly convinced that Conan's sequels are on the other hand complete crap even though I've seen like two minutes of one of them.)

Another LOTR movie can always be done but it's not in the Ideas pile of anyone's desk and no-one in Hollywood will want to compete in the short term with the handfull of Academy awards Jackson got directing as a spam bot.
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Really good stories get made more than once. How many times has Dickens' A Christmas Carol been made into a movie? I can think of three versions, two of which nearly have the same script (A Christmas Carol, starring Alistair Sim, and A Christmas Carol starring George C. Scott), and I am ignoring films that change the setting (An American Carol starring Henry Winkler, and Scrooged starring Bill Murray).

Shakespeare is also good for repeated filming; although, the staging variations can make two adaptations of the same play nearly totally dissimilar (Paul Mazursky's Tempest and Forbidden Planet).

Hollywood has the annoying habit of stuffing the best, or most lucrative, films down a hole which is really a pipe. After enough films are pushed in, they start popping out the other end, and get remade. It may take years, but LOTR will also pop and be redone.

If we are really lucky, the BBC will do a low budget miniseries that will need to make up in scripting and acting what it cannot afford to do with CGI.

chumloofah 18-08-2007 10:46 AM

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If we are really lucky, the BBC will do a low budget miniseries that will need to make up in scripting and acting what it cannot afford to do with CGI.[/b]
They've discovered cheap CGI now, i'm afraid, so we can't even hope for that.


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