(Seems like as good a place as any for a first post.) It is certainly possible. But why would God destroy himself? What would be served by that?

And why not? Why would god - assumed it is a creator of everything create it self in the first place?

Your going into a whole new ball park there!!! Trying to define existence etc, do you have to exist to create!?

I hate this one, the circular argument

Statement: To believe in god is righteous
Question: what is righteous?
A: God

To believe in god? How would you do that? The simplest way is - listen to your inner voice. It might often go different ways with the needs of the usual life, like the thoughts of other people about you or the practical thinking of money and such. But the inner voice tells you how it's correct.
It's never wrong, because it doesn't care about the usual physical little life, it tells the right way in the sheme of the cosmos and the existence, no matter how weird this words may sound. To listen to your voice is to believe in god, to know what he tells you.

And about god - what is he / she / both? Why is he / she / both? When did it all (the cosmos, the existence) begin? Did it begin at all or did it exist always without begin and end? God is both - evil and divine. He's the perfect middle between the two extremities. He can create, but he can destroy too if something hinders his work creation. And he's usually just a creator. He creates and forgets, it seems. It's up to us to find our place in the scheme of the existence. And we can do it, even if it seems too complicated to usual people.

Well - a non existing thing should not be able to have a thought - because it doesn't exist, should not have the capability to maniulate thing - because it doesn't exist. should not have the power fo creation - because it doesn't exist...
Get the pattern?
If somthing doesn't exist - it's not there (or anywhere else for that matter - because it doesn't exist).
Otherwise you'd just say - Oh it exists - on a level I can't comprehand,...

I know I exist - why?
Because I'm typing this message to you - all of you.
Don't believe me?
Think I'm a part of someone elses dream?
A part of a strange movie someone is watching on TV?
That's not my problem - it's just your definition of reality that differs from mine - and if you don't exist (in opositon to me who do) then this discusion is over -because you don't exist!
Never had the habit of talking to nothing - my self yes - nothing - no!

So basically GOD is something people made up and use whenever they can't find an answer:
Example - thunder god:
A person hits two stones together - gets fire - hears the noise.
A stor comes along - a man is afraid. Hears the sound sees the fire - asumes wrong - someone else bigger stronger it hiting rocks together. It's a god.
Afraid of it - starts giving what he'd like to recive himself.
Thus a ceremony is born - not far from religion any more - just the same thing on a bigger scale!
Can't explain - make a creature up - that's so incomprehacable - noone can oppose you. Wait a few hundred years - things get explained - find new riddles - prove your imaginary creature exists.

At least that's what my inner voice is telling me - and the inner voice is the right one - right?

God has always been there and always will be. Before this universe existed - assuming it has a start point - there was only God. After this universe ends, which we must presume it will, there will only be God again. God is infinite and was never created nor will he/she/it ever be destroyed. The real issue of this is the time aspect? How do we define Time if it has no start or finish?

(Don't try this as an excuse for being late to work. It won't work!)



(Trust Me)

God has always been there and always will be. Before this universe existed - assuming it has a start point - there was only God. After this universe ends, which we must presume it will, there will only be God again. God is infinite and was never created nor will he/she/it ever be destroyed. The real issue of this is the time aspect? How do we define Time if it has no start or finish?

(Don't try this as an excuse for being late to work. It won't work!)



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OK - so again - GOD is the inexplicable - why does everybody feel the need for it's existance?
The closest thing to the god is the law of nature (it's not personal - it's not given by a highr authority - it just simply is).
Why give some human characteristics to something that's unreal?
Do you invite a rock you find on the ground over for dinner?
God was created by men, out of their need to have the authority over them selves. Just like a child runs home to mommy whn it's afraid so does a grown man whish to run to somwhere. That imaginary friend need to be so powerful tht nothing can go aginst him.
At first gods were many and fighting themselves - wasn't good enough - any god could protect and abandone you - and you'd be at the mercy of someone else.
So there was only one god created.
It's just like the concept of love - everybody talkd about it - and most of us have a rough idea what it is - but no one can define it - because it doesn't exist!

I would have to agree. If you really believe in God it is because you feel something. It is hard to believe in a God because you are told you should. If you find God you will know it and then you will truly believe. Of course, you may just be experiencing a feeling generated by a chemical reaction in your brain, but I'll stick to the God story. I find it hard to believe that this whole world/life/universe could be a coincidence!

OK, now we're getting somewhere.
So god is not neceserally a diety of some sort - a creature with will power - but something you can resort to as guidence?
So it's not something that is/was/will be - but is something that you bring with you to this world - and will end up who knows where after you die?
Or did I misunderstand what you were saying?