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Stroggy 06-12-2004 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by The Picard@Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM
Communes like the Kibbutz is not a fair example of communism as these are people who have chosen to live like they do. People who do not want to live there (and abide the rules that govern it) do not have to.
once again he was talking about communists, not statecommunism

Yamcha 06-12-2004 02:42 PM

My opinion isn't one your answers.First of all there are good and bad thinks. The good things is the organisation and the order and some others.The bad think is trying to get all the people at the equal level which is an idiot thing. M7y grand grand parents had many lands of their possesion but when the communism camed all tha whent to the country. The communism also bringed some delay into the advancing of a country. For example in my country on a communism time they weren't makink apple PC's but Pravec (which actually was stolen :angry: model). We havent got a production of Weest-European cars but only on Sovietic cars (with stolen plans too). So its difficult to make my conclusion. My grandmother told me that she prefers communism insteed of Dempcraty but I can't said because I wasn't born at the time wharn we were a communistic Country

bohor 06-12-2004 02:49 PM

I like communists...
Marshal Tito was a communist too...
And not all communist countries were disasters, take Cuba for example... sure theyre poor in materialistic way, but they are rich in spirit and society!!

Rogue 06-12-2004 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by bohor@Dec 6 2004, 10:49 AM
I like communists...
Marshal Tito was a communist too...
And not all communist countries were disasters, take Cuba for example... sure theyre poor in materialistic way, but they are rich in spirit and society!!

:roflol:

Good joke Bohor! LOL

Here I met some people who escaped regime there by creating improvised boat. A lot of these who tried to escape did not survive.

Did you know that in Cuba it's against the law for people to make a big group, as they might work on the plot to get rid of Fidel Castro?

Just think about potential that Cuba has with tourism, but will never exploit it, as they can't trust to tourists.

Stroggy 06-12-2004 03:10 PM

Actually Cuba has a sprawling tourism sector, mostly european tourists.
In fact Cuba is THE holiday resort for a lot of europeans.

But all the profit goes to the hotels.
And due to Fidel's last public execution even Europeans have started growing a distaste for Cuba (whereas before Europeans loved Cuba blindly)

Its sad but when Cube is finally free of communism it will probably devolve again into the country it was before communism: one big corrupt *****house for the rich and famous from the US and Europe.

My parents were in Cuba shortly before Fidel executed those people that tried to flee.
To be a cleaninglady in the hotel was concidered a very high privilege and required one of the highest degrees in the country (anemly you had to be skilled in quite a few languages) its quite sad.

bohor 06-12-2004 03:14 PM

there is tourism in Cuba, and why do you think Cuba is so popular? Because of her untouched natural beauty or because of the big picture of Che Gueara on city hall and stuff like that...
People who run away from Cuba, are mostly too stupid or too smart people (stupid are blinded by americas capitalism, and smart just cannot live in limited freedom, but in my opinion I think that that limited freedom isnt so radical and it wouldnt bother me that much if I lived there)..

Stroggy 06-12-2004 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by bohor@Dec 6 2004, 04:14 PM
it wouldnt bother me that much if I lived there)..
I seriously doupt that, Che

The Niles 06-12-2004 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by Stroggy+Dec 6 2004, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stroggy @ Dec 6 2004, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Picard@Dec 6 2004, 03:05 PM
Communes like the Kibbutz is not a fair example of communism as these are people who have chosen to live like they do. People who do not want to live there (and abide the rules that govern it) do not have to.
once again he was talking about communists, not statecommunism [/b][/quote]
What does that have to do with my post?

Rogue 06-12-2004 03:21 PM

Bohor,
You have no idea what are you talking about.

People are trying to do something with their life, have education for their children, be able to give a toy to their children. You probably have no idea how poor is that country.

And, where do you live? Why don't you move to Cuba? They accept communists from all over the world! Tito was Fidel’s close friend, so you might get nicer barrack. :D

As tourisms goes, I don’t think it’s any close where it might be.

bohor 06-12-2004 03:24 PM

and besides... if it werent for the communism in ex-yu teritories, some of those countries would have never been where they are now.. Take Slovenia for example who is in EU, and Croatia which will probably be in the 2009. Im talking about raised standards here... If it werent for communism in ex-yu countries we (slovenia, croatia) would probably have standards like Bulgaria or Romania...


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