Civilization 4

[Kon-Tiki]

Just got Civ 4 today, and it keeps amazing me. Right now, in Tiki City, Moses's born. Does that mean I'll have a giant outflux of Fast Workers? What's he do if not that?

Anyways, just wanted to say this game rocks my socks. :D

[BeefontheBone]

Pretty sure there's a thread about it, but it does indeed rock. If you founded a religion, Moses can build the Holy Shrine for it for culture, religion spreading and income purposes, or he can join the city as a specialist (probably not the best idea at the beginning), help discover a tech for you (a religious one, in his case). If you save him until you get another type of great person, they can kick off a golden age for you.

[laiocfar]

Sid and co lost the path in civ3 but i will check it anyway :D

[Blood-Pigggy]

Jesus people put these threads in the right places, Kon-Tiki who's been here forever especially.

This belongs in Favorite Oldies and Newbies, several threads of newly released games and stuff is there already, so just go put it in there.

Civ 4 is good by the way.

[velik_m]

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Mar 5 2006, 10:14 PM
Just got Civ 4 today, and it keeps amazing me. Right now, in Tiki City, Moses's born. Does that mean I'll have a giant outflux of Fast Workers? What's he do if not that?

Anyways, just wanted to say this game rocks my socks. :D
he's probably going to call plages on you until you let him take all your slaves into "promised land" :D

[Rogue]

Originally posted by laiocfar@Mar 5 2006, 08:45 PM
Sid and co lost the path in civ3 but i will check it anyway :D
Just an opionion, or you have something to feed that argument with?

[Titan]

0MG! C|\/ IV s00000 F@\/\/k|n r0x0r!!!!!!!!!!!111111111one

*erhm*

It's special.. Civ1 and 2 are the same.. Civ3 implented some new ellements.. Some liked it.. some didn't..
Civ4 evolved into a compleatly new game, but keept the roots and IMHO it turned out realy good. You feel that they didn't rush it and had plenty of time.

[BeefontheBone]

Anyone up for a succession game? I believe I posted about it in the MP section back in the day but nobody else had the game yet.

[Kon-Tiki]

Not really ready for a succession game yet. Still playing my first game in it :D So far, it seems to build further onto Civ 3, but after seeing where they went wrong in Civ 3 (that being focussing mainly on war mongery and having alot of odd bugs), and seeing what made Civ 1/2 so great. Civ 2's just an updated version of Civ 1, with better graphics, so that counts as the same, with Civ 2 being the better one.

What I'm missing, is the throne room/palace building, and making caravans that can help speed up wonders. Also, the wonder movies still can't top to those from Civ 2, although I suppose those were a bit too big of an expense, so can't expect anything as cool as those back.

What I love in this over Civ 4, is the way you can make your own government, how you can see what's strengthened/weakened your international relations and the cultur part of cities (which's heavily improved over Civ 3, and's how I recently weakened Brittania, by splitting them up and absorbing their border cities), and how you can level up and specialize your units.

I've noticed a few minor things... researching some technologies're said to lead to this or that building/technology... which I already got when I'm able to research the technology. Bit of a bug?

Anyways, this game kicks serious behind, but still leaves room for improvement. Still definitely's worth its money, even if it's just for the title/main menu song :D Got that one playing for two days now. One thing... the damn thing got me absorbed til 4am last night, and had to get up at 7 :whistle:

[moogle]

Originally posted by BeefontheBone@Mar 6 2006, 09:45 PM
Anyone up for a succession game? I believe I posted about it in the MP section back in the day but nobody else had the game yet.
I'l play maybe, I haven't ever done MP, but it sounds like fun :)

[laiocfar]

Originally posted by Anubis+Mar 6 2006, 05:45 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Anubis @ Mar 6 2006, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-laiocfar@Mar 5 2006, 08:45 PM
Sid and co lost the path in civ3 but i will check it anyway :D
Just an opionion, or you have something to feed that argument with? [/b][/quote]
The game has lost the magic. I think that it has something about the graphics and the game speed. Civ II is simple and i think that it need some add-ons to be perfect. The mistakes of Civ II are tolerated cuz its a simple game without many asspirations. Civ III is too complex, it cann´t be edit by users like the other and each single mistake doesnt looks like a lacking of something that need to be added on, a mistake is a mistake and when more in the bases of the game worst. Some of the new things in civ III rocks but they also make many mistakes like the mines vs irrigation issue or the the fact that the AI its still too stupid. Personally i prefer Civ II to Civ III, but i like both. The point its that from Civ I to Civ II, there was a small change for better. And from Civ II to Civ III there were many changes but i not sure that all of they were right plus the fact that 500 MB more of the civ III dont are translate to 500 imporvements.

[Kon-Tiki]

I can't really see how Civ 2's a simple game. It's very, very powerful and allows plenty different styles of playing. The strategies you can use're near endless, plus it takes very complicated algorithms to get the AI as right as in Civ 2.

Civ 3's just as simple as Civ 2, meaning not at all, but both play and feel very intuitive (which's probably what you meant with simple. Correct me if I'm wrong there) They just made changes to some of the fundamental concepts. It did result in a game that was inferior to its predecessor, and had its share of bugs, probably due to production rush to get it shipped within a deadline.

Civ 4 fixes it, as it takes the good parts of the concept changes from Civ 3 and merges them with Civ 2, plus the game shows they had time to work on it, and took that time to take out all flaws and bugs, overall improving on both Civ 2 and Civ 3. Now if only they'd've put in the throne room/palace development and made wonder movies like in Civ 2, it'd be the perfect Civilization game :D

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by BeefontheBone+Mar 6 2006, 03:45 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BeefontheBone @ Mar 6 2006, 03:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Anyone up for a succession game? I believe I posted about it in the MP section back in the day but nobody else had the game yet.[/b]
If you don't care that I R TEH SUXORZ and will probably singlehandedly ensure that our civilization never advances beyond the Poking Each Other With Sticks Age, I'm in! My wife might even support this endeavor when I tell her I'll be able to get my Civ fix in short, 10-turn bursts rather than eight-hour marathons!

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Civ III is too complex, it cann´t be edit by users like the other[/quote]
You should really check out Civ 4; it was redone from the ground up and is heavily moddable.

[velik_m]

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones+Mar 7 2006, 05:24 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fruit Pie Jones @ Mar 7 2006, 05:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-laiocfar
Civ III is too complex, it cann´t be edit by users like the other [/b][/quote]
:blink: civ 3 even has an editor for easier modification

[The Niles]

I finished a game with my brother a few nights ago. 16 hours of total play time over about six weeks of playing. It was the first game of Civ4 I enjoyed.
To tell the thruth I'm a bit disappointed by Civ4. Huge requirements for a game such as this and a sprinkling of innovation over the old game. I do appreciate the lowering of the number of units you usually have, making the game faster.

[Tulac]

This game is no fun with my 256 MB RAM, I only like to play epic huge maps, and those just work too slow, so I deinstalled the game...

I heard that patch optimizes things, is it even worth trying the patch though?

[BeefontheBone]

1.52 did help a lot with optimisation, but the hugest maps probably still need at least 512MB. My gig of RAM handles them pretty well, but it's quite system-dependant; some people with what ought to be better systems than mine are still complaining it's unplayable. It seems the page file's quite important too.

With one or two more people we could get an SG going, that'd be neat. Hopefully I'd be able to help you get beyond the pokey-stick stage too - I tend to manage at least rubbing-the-sticks-together-to-make-fire :D

[Fruit Pie Jones]

So, when is this succession game going to start, and how will we be transferring the savegame files? Are they small enough to be attached to posts here (in the forums that allow that, of course)? Sorry if I'm jumping the gun; I'm just looking forward to getting this started.

[BeefontheBone]

They're a few hundred kilobytes uncompressed, so emailing them might be a better idea. I'll go dig out the thread in the multiplayer section...

EDIT: here (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8271&st=15&#entry212543) it is. Turns out it was just in Swiss' thread.

[laiocfar]

DAMM, my pc doesnt fit Civ IV.

About the lack of editing in Civ III, i am NOT talking about the editor, the problem is that there isn´t any Rules.txt to change the game tech tree and unit abilities like in the old Civ II. Call me old but i prefer Civ II to Civ III for no talk of Civ Ctp.

[velik_m]

Originally posted by laiocfar@Mar 8 2006, 06:27 AM
DAMM, my pc doesnt fit Civ IV.

About the lack of editing in Civ III, i am NOT talking about the editor, the problem is that there isn´t any Rules.txt to change the game tech tree and unit abilities like in the old Civ II. Call me old but i prefer Civ II to Civ III for no talk of Civ Ctp.
you can do that within the editor, if my memory serves me right, though i never tried it.