Your Religion

[Master MC]

I am atheist. But open to Christianity.

[Master MC]

I see there's an 'Other', I must have forgotten a major one.

[Doubler]

Agnostic :)

Getting tired of having to click the 'other' button in every religion poll :P

[Tulac]

Here we go again, yay! :D

I'm not strictly atheist, but I don't believe in a higher divine that controls my destiny...

[Dino]

Another religion topic... I don't even count those anymore. I reckon it will be closed down by page # 3 because of flaming and spamming. At least that was the case with prior attempts.

[Master MC]

Sorry, don't know that one :whistle:

[Master MC]

Originally posted by OvErLoRd@Feb 6 2006, 10:41 PM
Another religion topic... I don't even count those anymore. I reckon it will be closed down by page # 3 because of flaming and spamming. At least that was the case with prior attempts.
Sorry, but things have changed now...
Look at the situation.
I used to be friendly toward Islam, but now I feel much more angry with them.
Events like this can change your belief.
I am only interested if this community is philosophical enough. And, it is a contemporary discussion, and as the Greeks probably said, discussing makes one wiser.

Please, ignore this poll if it annoys you.
But then you will not satisfy my curiosity... and you wouldn't want that, would you?

[Don Andy]

Well, I'm officially christian, but I don't really give a damn about it. I don't believe in anything but myself at all.

[Yobor]

Secular Humanism is a society of social 'beliefs' that many atheists partake in. (I voted Humanist)

Oh, and being angry at Mulsims is foolish.

*4th Edit*

Overlord, I've heard it from you before. Sorry to be blunt, nay, rude, but please stop whining.

*5th Edit*

Oh, and the other 'attempts' NEVER degenerated into flaming. Unless, there was one that happened in the 11 days you were here before me...

[Chuck the plant]

Since when is humanism considered to be a religion??? :blink:

[Puffin]

Born a protestant, changed to pentacostal for couple of years, back to protestant, now I don't believe in any god or any higher power.

[BeefontheBone]

I'm a scientist and a rationalist, me.

[LeD]

blah wtf.. read topic the one below :O

[Master MC]

Tell that to the entire world.

[LeD]

Boy this is a REAL blah blah blah topic. What does it matter what we are, aren't we all human? Just living in this PHYSICAL world is the hell everyone is scared about after death. I've got news, once on the Astral Plane there is no feelings of hate, pain, hunger etc. blah blah blah what do I know.

[SirPeter]

Whats an agnostic O_o
Im atheist, open for christianity without the whole God issue. Jezus may have lived but just as a person maybe with paranormal abilities but thats about it.

I have deep respect for Budism though. They seem friendly and close to nature.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by SirPeter@Feb 6 2006, 11:24 PM
I have deep respect for Budism though. They seem friendly and close to nature.
I concure (although I'm an atheist myself). I see Budhisim more as a philosoph then a religion.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

tis sad we cant a proper religon topic here anyway i guess thats why religon causes war (or is a major factor)

[Havell]

My parents are atheist, but I went to school in a mostly-white suburban area so I was taught Christianity at school (didn't realise it was religion as it was taught alongside history, science, etc). When I got a little bit older, I could see what happened and, as such began to regard myself as an atheist, with a certain resentment against my old school and against religion as well.

[Dino]

Originally posted by Master MC@Feb 6 2006, 09:45 PM
Please, ignore this poll if it annoys you.
But then you will not satisfy my curiosity... and you wouldn't want that, would you?
Of course I wouldn't want that... :)

No, poll doesn't annoy me at least, I was just expressing my scepticism about the fate of religious discussions on this forum. Hope it will prove wrong.

On topic, I could agree with Tulac. I'm not strictly atheist, but I'm not quite sure what to believe as well (or to believe at all?)... There are too many pros and cons in favour of every religion, I could discuss about them forever.

I know just one thing, I respect every religion and everyone's beliefs. I just don't approve Catholic Church as an institution (especially knowing the situation in my country).

[Yobor]

Humanism really shouldn't be on the poll. It's an additional social set of conduct, along with political beliefs, not a religion, but it's members are Atheist.

[Skumpaq]

I think SirPeter explained my view on Religion quite well.

- Dont know about the Buddha part though ^_^

[Dino]

Almost forgot.

Originally posted by Yobor@Feb 6 2006, 09:47 PM
Oh, and the other 'attempts' NEVER degenerated into flaming. Unless, there was one that happened in the 11 days you were here before me...

Sorry, mate, you're not right. Some examples of flaming and spamming in religious thread:

Religion (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3409&hl=religion)
Pope John Paul the II (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4461&hl=religion&st=120)

[Electrolyte]

I wouldn't know what I am. Religion confuses me :(

[Yobor]

Originally posted by OvErLoRd+Feb 6 2006, 09:56 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (OvErLoRd @ Feb 6 2006, 09:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Almost forgot.

******QuoteBegin-Yobor@Feb 6 2006, 09:47 PM
Oh, and the other 'attempts' NEVER degenerated into flaming. Unless, there was one that happened in the 11 days you were here before me...

Sorry, mate, you're not right. Some examples of flaming and spamming in religious thread:

Religion (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3409&hl=religion)
Pope John Paul the II (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4461&hl=religion&st=120) [/b][/quote]
LIES. The Religion thread died on its own; it wasn't closed. It was only closed later after I posted my "The Great Flood" paper.
And the Pope thread was about... the Pope, not religion.

[Doubler]

Whats an agnostic
Agnosticism isn't really a religion, it's a philosophy (as is buddhism, if I'm not mistaken, by the way :P )

In short, and quite generalised, an agnost believes that one can't know for certain whether a higher power exists, and what form such a higher power takes if it does exist.

I'm a convinced agnost, and my views are a bit broader then the general agnostic view. I've spend a lot of time thinking and discussing religion with people of all kinds of religious backgrounds and various different convictions, and I have my own thoughts, ideas and theories, but I'm not locked in them or convinced. I strive to keep an open mind. I believe it certainly matters what one believes, no matter what it is what he she believes.

Apparantly, on checking around a bit, it seems that makes me an Agnostic spiritualist :D

[Dino]

Originally posted by Yobor@Feb 6 2006, 11:01 PM
LIES. The Religion thread died on its own; it wasn't closed. It was only closed later after I posted my "The Great Flood" paper.
And the Pope thread was about... the Pope, not religion.
This is my last post about this ''misunderstanding'' with you because I don't want to spam or go off-topic anymore.

So...Read the topics. Both topics contain intense flaming and spamming, and that's a fact you cannot deny. Members asked for ''Religion'' thread to be closed a few times because of abovementioned reasons, it was closed and reopened again. And how in the world can you say that Pope discussion isn't a religious one. If Pope isn't connected with religion, what in the world is?!

Enough off-topicness, if you want to pursue this discussion further, feel free to PM me. Let's not destroy another topic.

[laiocfar]

QUOTE
Whats an agnostic

Agnosticism isn't really a religion, it's a philosophy (as is buddhism, if I'm not mistaken, by the way tongue.gif )

In short, and quite generalised, an agnost believes that one can't know for certain whether a higher power exists, and what form such a higher power takes if it does exist.

I'm a convinced agnost, and my views are a bit broader then the general agnostic view. I've spend a lot of time thinking and discussing religion with people of all kinds of religious backgrounds and various different convictions, and I have my own thoughts, ideas and theories, but I'm not locked in them or convinced. I strive to keep an open mind. I believe it certainly matters what one believes, no matter what it is what he she believes.

Apparantly, on checking around a bit, it seems that makes me an Agnostic spiritualist biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Doubler on Feb 6 2006, 10:08 PM

This was a good definition of agnost, most of them wanna belive in god but they can´t found it.
What is an atheist but open to Christianity?

[gregor]

atheism is not a religion.

[Partizanka]

I'm a Stoic. A passionate Stoic. Which seems like it wouldn't work, but it does.

[Juni Ori]

gregor, kind of true, but it is belief in itself. Belief to that there's no higher power. Anyways it absolutely belongs to the options.

Philosophy and religion walk hand in hand and sometimes it is very difficult to make difference, like in Buddhism.

Me: Atheist.

[gregor]

Originally posted by Juni Ori@Feb 7 2006, 07:17 AM
gregor, kind of true, but it is belief in itself. Belief to that there's no higher power. Anyways it absolutely belongs to the options.


belief or conviction is not same as religion.

I can believe in person, but that does not make me religious person. religion has more to it. it has dogmas, it has prophets etc.

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by gregor@Feb 7 2006, 08:27 AM
belief or conviction is not same as religion.

I can believe in person, but that does not make me religious person. religion has more to it. it has dogmas, it has prophets etc.
Religion is revealed by God and philosophy is revealed by a person.

I'm catholic.

[Timpsi]

What comes to the poll, I'd probably have split christianity, as the various churches are quite different in their practices.

As most Finns, I'm a lutheran.

[Himmler]

Originally posted by Partizanka@Feb 7 2006, 06:37 AM
I'm a Stoic. A passionate Stoic. Which seems like it wouldn't work, but it does.
what's a Stoic?

anyway...like the majority here :D i'm an atheist(born a christian)

[Grinder]

(raised) christian.

[Playbahnosh]

I'm no atheist.... I DON'T have any religion... I hate the concept of religion, that makes people go and kill each other <_< I have my own beliefs of how MY world should look like and there is NO ONE that can tell me what to believe and what to have faith in... I believe in the power of good, that if you do good things to your fellow people someday that will be rewarded... I reapect the Truth and only the Truth, no lies and stuff. I'm a straight person and I only use lieing when absolutely needed or cannot be avoided... I follow my rules and noone can tell me what to do or believe... Of course I wellcome any advices and help and I also help others when I can... This is my "religion" if you must call it that way... and please don't search similarities with churches... there is none <_<

[Toxik]

I'm atheist(I voted agnostic by mistake though),but im tolerant to all religions as long as they dont end in fanatism,brainwashing and killing spree.Also,I believe no-one should be taught any religion until he reaches 15 or 18 years.

[Himmler]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 7 2006, 03:35 PM
I'm no atheist.... I DON'T have any religion... I hate the concept of religion, that makes people go and kill each other <_< I have my own beliefs of how MY world should look like and there is NO ONE that can tell me what to believe and what to have faith in... I believe in the power of good, that if you do good things to your fellow people someday that will be rewarded... I reapect the Truth and only the Truth, no lies and stuff. I'm a straight person and I only use lieing when absolutely needed or cannot be avoided... I follow my rules and noone can tell me what to do or believe... Of course I wellcome any advices and help and I also help others when I can... This is my "religion" if you must call it that way... and please don't search similarities with churches... there is none <_<
you know...atheists don't have churches LOL and the persons with no religion are called atheists as far as i know... :yawn:

[plague]

I don't even believe in myself, but officially I'm christian (lutheran).

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 7 2006, 03:35 PM
I believe in the power of good, that if you do good things to your fellow people someday that will be rewarded... I reapect the Truth and only the Truth, no lies and stuff.
But "who" is going to reward the good boys? The Truth?

I'm just curious, I don't want to start a discussion... :)

[Playbahnosh]

Atheists are denying the existence of God or any other unerthly being controling the world. I don't. There must be some power that cursed me this life :cry: There are not this many strage coincidences, that is impossible....

[Don Andy]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 7 2006, 05:26 PM
There must be some power that cursed me this life :cry: There are not this many strage coincidences, that is impossible....
I know exactly what you are talking about.

Oh, and as far as I know: Atheists do not deny god, but they don't believe in him either, cause his existence can neither be proven, nor be disproven.
Well, actually I'm even pretty sure that this is the correct defintion of an Atheist.

Whatever I'm certainly not. Because I DO deny god. That means, god as every religion sees it.

It could for example be, that there was some kind of "god" that "planted" the "human seed" on earth. Maybe we're only existing because some alien visited our planet way back then and had one big sneeze, leaving some bacteria which finally evolved into the lifeforms we know today.

So, to sum it up: There is no god, who created us with his godly power and watches over us now. Our mere existence is one big cosmic "accident" (not meant negative)

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by Don Andy@Feb 7 2006, 12:32 PM
Oh, and as far as I know: Atheists do not deny god, but they don't believe in him either, cause his existence can neither be proven, nor be disproven.
Nope. Atheists claim that there is no God: a- (without) + theos (god). Agnostics claim that the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven: a- (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Use this information to make whatever jokes you please.

[Stebbi]

protestant

[Don Andy]

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones+Feb 7 2006, 08:37 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fruit Pie Jones @ Feb 7 2006, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Don Andy@Feb 7 2006, 12:32 PM
Oh, and as far as I know: Atheists do not deny god, but they don't believe in him either, cause his existence can neither be proven, nor be disproven.
Nope. Atheists claim that there is no God: a- (without) + theos (god). Agnostics claim that the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven: a- (without) + gnosis (knowledge). Use this information to make whatever jokes you please. [/b][/quote]
Ah, yeah, damn you're right mixed these two up, sorry for the false information LOL

[Danny252]

Athesit. I went to protestant Primary School, but my parents were never religious.

[kajjj]

seems to me that you placed religions along with the philosophical stuff, what about Sikhism or Hinduism, these are quite common as well...

I am a Christian. Not a devoted one, but still...

[ReamusLQ]

Well, I chose Other simply because if I put Christianity I would probably get people harping at me that Mormons really aren't Christian, but I believe I am and to all of you who say otherwise: " :bleh: "

[allyfaucet]

Originally posted by ReamusLQ@Feb 7 2006, 10:52 PM
Well, I chose Other simply because if I put Christianity I would probably get people harping at me that Mormons really aren't Christian, but I believe I am and to all of you who say otherwise: " :bleh: "
Yeah, I just voted Christian. So... :bleh: again!

[laiocfar]

Atheists are denying the existence of God or any other unerthly being controling the world. I don't. There must be some power that cursed me this life

Most of agnostic are people that wanna find a God but didnt found anyone.

[rlbell]

I was baptised in an anglican church, but raised as a member of the religious society of friends (Lutheranism taken to its logical extreme). I dabbled in agnosticism, but now claim to be christian. To help my wife keep control of the little monsters that I must acknowledge as my own children, I have been regularily attending catholic mass for the last five and a half years.

Currently, the most awkward question that my oldest child asks is "Daddy, why aren't you catholic?", so I may yet convert.

[laiocfar]

Currently, the most awkward question that my oldest child asks is "Daddy, why aren't you catholic?", so I may yet convert.

Keep their mouths full of candy and food, eating kids dont make questions, some research also suggest that kids get their minds in white when eating :D

[Playbahnosh]

Originally posted by laiocfar@Feb 8 2006, 01:25 AM
Most of agnostic are people that wanna find a God but didnt found anyone.
You must pigeonhole me do you? <_< I don't want to name my beliefs, and nor should you, I told you...

Okay, to clear thing out, I don't believe in a "God" or any single entity that contols this sh!t we call world. Rather there is a power of some sort, call it destiny, karma, or whatever you like. Don't get me wrong, I believe we control our faith but this power has a fair share of intervening as well. And not always for good <_<

[Don Andy]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 8 2006, 10:32 AM
Okay, to clear thing out, I don't believe in a "God" or any single entity that contols this sh!t we call world. Rather there is a power of some sort, call it destiny, karma, or whatever you like. Don't get me wrong, I believe we control our faith but this power has a fair share of intervening as well. And not always for good <_<
You're so right. :tai:

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM
Okay, to clear thing out, I don't believe in a "God" or any single entity that contols this sh!t we call world. Rather there is a power of some sort, call it destiny, karma, or whatever you like. Don't get me wrong, I believe we control our faith but this power has a fair share of intervening as well. And not always for good <_<
Excuse me, but this seems to me a God... :blink:

It's a non-human superpowered "something" who makes things for his objectives and establish some kind of destiny... and not always for what ewe thing as good...

[Don Andy]

Originally posted by Quintopotere+Feb 8 2006, 01:54 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Quintopotere @ Feb 8 2006, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Playbahnosh@Feb 8 2006, 09:32 AM
Okay, to clear thing out, I don't believe in a "God" or any single entity that contols this sh!t we call world. Rather there is a power of some sort, call it destiny, karma, or whatever you like. Don't get me wrong, I believe we control our faith but this power has a fair share of intervening as well. And not always for good <_<
Excuse me, but this seems to me a God... :blink:

It's a non-human superpowered "something" who makes things for his objectives and establish some kind of destiny... and not always for what ewe thing as good... [/b][/quote]
He actually didn't speak of some higher being.
Just of some "power".

I can't speak for him, but for me, this "karma" or "destiny" is some kind of power, just like electricity or gravity or something like that. It's just there and influences our life.

[punch999]

Was christian until the age 12 and then eventually turned to atheism.

[Himmler]

Originally posted by punch@Feb 8 2006, 02:49 PM
Was christian until the age 12 and then eventually turned to atheism.
heh..we had the same"path"

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by laiocfar@Feb 7 2006, 11:50 PM
Keep their mouths full of candy and food, eating kids dont make questions, some research also suggest that kids get their minds in white when eating :D
Research (which, in this case, can be as simple as hanging out at the mall and observing people for a couple of hours) also suggests that obesity is becoming more and more widespread among children.

[laiocfar]

You must pigeonhole me do you? dry.gif I don't want to name my beliefs, and nor should you, I told you...

Okay, to clear thing out, I don't believe in a "God" or any single entity that contols this sh!t we call world. Rather there is a power of some sort, call it destiny, karma, or whatever you like. Don't get me wrong, I believe we control our faith but this power has a fair share of intervening as well. And not always for good dry.gif

Agnostic,
Agnostic,
Agnostic,
AGNOSTIC
:bleh:

Dont hate me for that, hate leat to dark side of the force.

[Havell]

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones@Feb 8 2006, 06:56 PM
Research (which, in this case, can be as simple as hanging out at the mall and observing people for a couple of hours) also suggests that obesity is becoming more and more widespread among children.
You hang around in public places looking at small children? :blink:

:D

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by Havell@Feb 9 2006, 01:48 AM
You hang around in public places looking at small children?
Heh heh...no. But it's hard not to notice that there are a lot of fat kids out there nowadays.

[PrejudiceSucks]

Indeed.

I love the way that a lot of Christians in my area are there because "They had a vision of God and He told them never to do drugs again" when they were absolutely off their heads.

POSSIBLY YOU WERE SEEING VISIONS BECAUSE YOU WERE ON DRUGS, YOU FOOL!

Ah well. The seeming healing power of coccaine never fails to amaze me.

I'll stick with atheism, thanks.

By the way, no offence to all of you Christians who didn't change your religion when you were coked out of your gills. At least you are standing up to modern society, which is a challenge unto itself.

*edits*

Paragrahping!

[Romano]

Well. I am agnostic. But I am aware that a lot of esential questiones are easier to answer if you believe in existence of God. :angel:

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Don Andy@Feb 8 2006, 02:48 PM
He actually didn't speak of some higher being.
Just of some "power".

I can't speak for him, but for me, this "karma" or "destiny" is some kind of power, just like electricity or gravity or something like that. It's just there and influences our life.
I've understood what you mean, but I've some difficulties in considering an "electricity-like-power" something that could set your destiny... this sounds more like a religion than a scientific idea... maybe it's just about me...
I hope to have explained well what I mean...

But I am aware that a lot of esential questiones are easier to answer if you believe in existence of God.
And the other essential questions are easier to answer if you deny God's existence :D

[laiocfar]

POSSIBLY YOU WERE SEEING VISIONS BECAUSE YOU WERE ON DRUGS, YOU FOOL!
LOL

The religion its a case massive psicophaty

[Menasor]

wow...sikhism is there!

[PrejudiceSucks]

Urmm yeah, it's quite a big religion...

[Havell]

Actually, it wasn't there in the original poll, niether was Hinduism. But as they have over one billion beleivers worldwide between them, I added them.

[PrejudiceSucks]

Oh. That was considerate, well done.

[rlbell]

Originally posted by PrejudiceSucks@Feb 9 2006, 04:19 PM
Indeed.

I love the way that a lot of Christians in my area are there because "They had a vision of God and He told them never to do drugs again" when they were absolutely off their heads.

POSSIBLY YOU WERE SEEING VISIONS BECAUSE YOU WERE ON DRUGS, YOU FOOL!

Ah well. The seeming healing power of coccaine never fails to amaze me.


This reminds me of a joke with an important, underlying message:

A very religious man is trapped in his house by rising flood waters. One of his neighbours rows up in a boat and asks if he needs help. The man responds that he trusts The Lord to save him. A little while later, the water has completely submerged the bottom level of his house. A squad of soldiers comes by in raft and asks him to come aboard. The man declines again saying that The Lord will save him. The waters have now risen to the point that the man must take refuge on his roof. A helicopter hovers overhead and offers to lower a rope ladder to the man. Once again, the man declines, saying that The Lord will save him. the waters continue to rise and the man drowns.

When he gets to heaven he asks God why he was not saved from the flood, and receives the answer "I sent two boats and a helicopter. What were you expecting?".

The moral of the story is that we should be humble enough to accept grace, no matter how it is presented. A drug induced vision that inspires someone to make a new start, even if it is only to stop doing drugs, is still a blessing. While hardly miraculous, it still had a positive effect on their lives. According to my wife, the catholic church assesses the validity of a vision by how it affects you, not by how it came about.

[rlbell]

if you accidentally duplicate a post, is there an easy way to delete it

[bruno]

Originally posted by rlbell@Feb 12 2006, 02:34 AM
if you accidentally duplicate a post, is there an easy way to delete it
:ot: , no, only a MOd or a Admi can erase a post.... :not_ok:

[Yobor]

WHAT!!!! IT GOT CHANGED!??!? NO WAY!!! AGGGGGGG

*Off topic*

[laiocfar]

The moral of the story is that we should be humble enough to accept grace, no matter how it is presented. A drug induced vision that inspires someone to make a new start, even if it is only to stop doing drugs, is still a blessing. While hardly miraculous, it still had a positive effect on their lives. According to my wife, the catholic church assesses the validity of a vision by how it affects you, not by how it came about.

You are saying drugs + religion? :max:
Lets make some money with that combo, we can take over many minds and souls.


By the way, how u translate pentecostalismo to english?

[Havell]

That would probably be "Pentecostal".

[rlbell]

Originally posted by laiocfar@Feb 12 2006, 10:12 AM


You are saying drugs + religion? :max:
Lets make some money with that combo, we can take over many minds and souls.


If I wanted to start my own false religion, I would have started writing cheesy, banal science fiction.

A religion with drugs is rastafarianism. It involves smoking marijuana, but it has not attracted my interest, so I know nothing else about it.