Windows Live Messenger

[Tulac]

http://spaces.msn.com/members/MessengerSay...entry#trackback (http://spaces.msn.com/members/MessengerSays/Blog/cns!1pa8Iikfy0xU3xf4W911Jq4Q!1607.entry#trackback)


Seems it'll have some interesting new functions... (that other IM's already have though)

[SupSuper]

Pfft, again, just Microsoft trying to be better than the rest (and as you said, they're all features other IMs already have).

And besides, orange? :blink: What's wrong with the current colour?

[Tulac]

Well the only thing that I find interesting is the file sharing folder...

[punch999]

Why does it say about mic conversations. "cheap" arent they free?

[Danny252]

Ooh, lets go see whats so cool!

Every Feature of MSN Messenger

* I’m not actually going to list them all, this is a dummy-bullet for looks. Oh, how fun.

Your Contacts

* Unified Contacts Whats?
* !600 Messenger Contacts There was a limit before?
* Word Wheel Sounds useless
* Edit your contact’s Info Like...?
* !Nicknames (Rename your contacts) Oh. Yay. I can now rename contacts and forget who they are.

The Art of Instant Messaging

* !Offline IMs Never use it anywhere else. They invented the email for this purpose.
* !Conversations While Appearing Offline Which you'd do why?
* !Time Stamps ..? Records save these already.

Messenger Face Lift

* Orange Why not green?
* !Pick Your Color Ooh, for writing?! Oh,. look, I already have that.
* !Toning it Down What?
* Display Picture Functionality Like it shows? That could be an advancement in some peoples eyes.
* Frameless Menu Entry ?
* !Fixed Scrolling Oh wow! I can scroll yet be fixed to one place!

Sharing

* How-to Do what?
* Safety To not infact it in cyberspace??
* Updating Files You mean they got this thing an auto-updater?
* Multiple Computers I have 2 already.
* Size Doesn’t Matter Never did before.
* With whom? OH MY GOD! Now I can choose who to send it to!!!

Computer-2-Phone Calling

* !Cheap and easy They have phones for this..
* Crystal Quality Phones suck either way.
* MCI Partnership ?

Windows Live Video Integration

* See the latest Videos Which they most certainly never invented TV, albums, P2P, and video sites for.

[Tulac]

Originally posted by punch@Dec 19 2005, 06:03 PM
Why does it say about mic conversations. "cheap" arent they free?
No they meant you can dial normal phone numbers from it, like skype can...

@Danny252: For some of your questions you could actually read the whole thing ;)

[plix]

Originally posted by Danny252+Dec 19 2005, 12:05 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252 @ Dec 19 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> * Unified Contacts Whats? [/b]
It's work on integrating Windows Messenger with the Adress Book, which allows for unified contact management across the system. This way contacts can be entirely cross-referenced and centralized.

Originally posted by Danny252@
* Word Wheel Sounds useless
It's also known as auto-complete, and it's useful to speed up typing names, etc.

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* Edit your contact’s Info Like...?[/quote]
Like a vCard. See "Unified Contacts" above.

Originally posted by Danny252+****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>* !Nicknames (Rename your contacts) Oh. Yay. I can now rename contacts and forget who they are.[/b]
Or you can rename contacts with nonsensical screenames to their actual name, which makes keeping track of who you're talking to much easier.

Originally posted by Danny252@
* !Offline IMs Never use it anywhere else. They invented the email for this purpose.
It's a pretty popular feature of ICQ, which has been around since, oh, 1996. I'd say it's a pretty popular feature (AIM doesn't have it because after the AOL buyout of Mirabilis the ICQ and AIM protocols were merged, so technically it does have it). It's a neat feature when you're trying to finish a conversation when someone drops offline, or if you want to leave someone a message to get in contact with you when they get online.

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* !Conversations While Appearing Offline Which you'd do why?[/quote]
So that you can appear offline to everyone on your contact list and have a conversation with only a single person or two. Useful when you don't feel like having to deal with a bunch of other people messaging you or when you don't want people to know you're online (temporarily avoiding someone, etc).

[Reup]

No Jabber support :( I despise single protocol IM apps! I've got friends one multiple, so I need Trillian, Gaim, Miranda or any such thing. MSN sUxx0r.

[SupSuper]

Originally posted by Reup@Dec 19 2005, 09:31 PM
No Jabber support :( I despise single protocol IM apps! I've got friends one multiple, so I need Trillian, Gaim, Miranda or any such thing. MSN sUxx0r.
Hmm, that reminds me, I hope Trillian doesn't take FOREVER to update to the new MSN protocol like when MSN6 was out :(

[Danny252]

Originally posted by Danny252+Dec 19 2005, 12:05 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252 @ Dec 19 2005, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> * Unified Contacts Whats? [/b]
It's work on integrating Windows Messenger with the Adress Book, which allows for unified contact management across the system. This way contacts can be entirely cross-referenced and centralized.

Hotmail does this already, and I often know my contacts emails anyway, I I want to email them. But I thought this was an alternative to email?

Originally posted by Danny252@
* Word Wheel Sounds useless
It's also known as auto-complete, and it's useful to speed up typing names, etc.

I tend not to type names. And I'd spent longer actually selecting the autocomplete word than it would to type it.

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* Edit your contact’s Info Like...?[/quote]
Like a vCard. See "Unified Contacts" above.

Its their info, if they don't want to give out things, why put it there?I already have their email...

Originally posted by Danny252+****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>* !Nicknames (Rename your contacts) Oh. Yay. I can now rename contacts and forget who they are.[/b]
Or you can rename contacts with nonsensical screenames to their actual name, which makes keeping track of who you're talking to much easier.

But see, it tells me their email too. Plus most people tend to keep a part of their name the same.

Originally posted by Danny252@
* !Offline IMs Never use it anywhere else. They invented the email for this purpose.
It's a pretty popular feature of ICQ, which has been around since, oh, 1996. I'd say it's a pretty popular feature (AIM doesn't have it because after the AOL buyout of Mirabilis the ICQ and AIM protocols were merged, so technically it does have it). It's a neat feature when you're trying to finish a conversation when someone drops offline, or if you want to leave someone a message to get in contact with you when they get online.

How about you get reliable contacts that don't do that? Plus, if I want offline messages, I dont want 60 different screens popping up as soon as I log on. i still like email.

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* !Conversations While Appearing Offline Which you'd do why?[/quote]
So that you can appear offline to everyone on your contact list and have a conversation with only a single person or two. Useful when you don't feel like having to deal with a bunch of other people messaging you or when you don't want people to know you're online (temporarily avoiding someone, etc).

Avoiding people, I block them. If I dont want people messaging me, I dont message them. If I dont want to talk to anyone at all, I don't log on.

[allyfaucet]

:blink:
w00t for AIM! :P

[_r.u.s.s.]

w00t for ICQ


edit: w00t for miranda anyway

[Danny252]

woot for any IM I use.

[Caged]

I am not impressed with this new messenger and think i will stick with the rpesent version

[plix]

Originally posted by Danny252+Dec 20 2005, 09:55 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252 @ Dec 20 2005, 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hotmail does this already, and I often know my contacts emails anyway, I I want to email them. But I thought this was an alternative to email? [/b]
Yeah, Hotmail does it. So what? Hotmail is not a professional tool and isn't really targetted at the Exchange crowd. People in corporate environments actually have to use tools like Outlook, and can't get away with that toy known as Hotmail. Same goes for GMail.

Originally posted by Danny252+****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Danny252)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I tend not to type names. And I'd spent longer actually selecting the autocomplete word than it would to type it.[/b]
That's nice that you don't tend to type names. Some of us do and as any coder or *nix systems administrator (including myself on both counts) can tell you, autocomplete/intellisense speeds things up immeasurably. When you know people with non-generic names or actually have to keep in contact with a large number of people you might not actually know it's big time saver.

Originally posted by Danny252
Its their info, if they don't want to give out things, why put it there?I already have their email...
Again, because often people actually have to keep track of little things like mailing and office addresses; business, home, and mobile phone numbers; etc.

Originally posted by Danny252
But see, it tells me their email too. Plus most people tend to keep a part of their name the same.
...and some people don't. Furthermore, what about contacts with similar names? This also goes back to the discussion of autocomplete. When you have to keep in contact with a large number of people it isn't always easy to remember everyone's full name. Aliases also allow you to shorten up otherwise enormous contact names.

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How about you get reliable contacts that don't do that? Plus, if I want offline messages, I dont want 60 different screens popping up as soon as I log on. i still like email.[/quote]
Oh, I'm sorry that I know people that still use dialup or who have connection problems from time to time. I guess I'll just have to stick with the people who use those perfect internet connections that never have trouble. That was a really brain-dead comment.

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Avoiding people, I block them. If I dont want people messaging me, I dont message them. If I dont want to talk to anyone at all, I don't log on.[/quote]
Personally I'm not a big fan of blocking everyone on my contact list so that I can sign on to ask a friend to lunch without recieving two dozen random IMs. It's also nice in that it lets you have a longer discussion with someone without being interrupted by others. It's a privacy thing, not a restraining order thing.

Microsoft is attempting to improve a tool for use in professional enviroments and is happening to provide a bunch of features along the way for more power users. You're obviously a person who has never had to use a similar tool in a large environment or manage contact with people who don't live down the street from you. Just because you have all your buddies' e-mail addresses memorized doesn't mean that I have the 700+ contacts (including addresses, phone numbers, and business affiliations) in my address book memorized. You're entire post read "I don't need this" and "you should do that instead" which is not only selfish, it smacks of the delusion that Microsoft has the least bit of concern over what a non-corporate user thinks.

[SupSuper]

Originally posted by Caged@Dec 21 2005, 02:55 AM
I am not impressed with this new messenger and think i will stick with the rpesent version
More likely than not you'll be forced to update or not use MSN at all.