PC Or Consoles? Because? [Archive]

omg

13-12-2005, 04:19 PM

thing is you can get an xbox now for less than the cost of a good graphics card, and it minus all the hassles and tech issues running games. but i know i will always be using my pc for old school mainly becuse old school doesnt neeed loads of hard disk space, or to be put on the c drive for optimum performance as i put all my music software on c having gigs of game data would slow down the music softs performance.. cubase likes being alone on a drive with audio soft, i start putting gigs of game data on there it wont run too good ...

i may get a 360 when the price comes down but i dont know. you have to get it online to patch your original x box games for them to work, and advoiding having to do stuff like that was the reosen i was giving up on the pc as a platform to play current games... maybe i will wait and see what happens with the ps3

Blood-Pigggy

13-12-2005, 04:47 PM

I don't like either more.
They both have too many pros and cons, and besides, if you're really not going to play everything, then why call yourself a gamer?
It's hard for me to decide, I'm not really biased towards either, but I'll have to say PC, because I've played far better games on the system that on any other console.

Quintopotere

13-12-2005, 06:07 PM

I like the PC for the resons that are written in the previous posts... but there is another reason: consoles are evil :ph34r:

Frodo

13-12-2005, 07:16 PM

Have to go with the pc.

It's much more versitile, and the kind of games I like are much better on the pc than any console.

:ok:

Shunk Eat Enemy

13-12-2005, 07:21 PM

didnt we just have this poll/discussion last month?!?

anyways i HATE CONSOLES :bleh:

Tulac

13-12-2005, 07:24 PM

Depends on your prefferences really, I like my PC beacause I can go online, and play games online, and I don't like most of the games that are made for consoles...

omg

13-12-2005, 07:29 PM

oddly enougth for a classic pc games site, pc is ahead ...
at least with a console you dont have to wait for a patch to be released evry time microsoft change direct x...

DonCorleone

13-12-2005, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by the_fifth_horseman@Dec 13 2005, 04:21 PM
PC. Much more power and versatility. Easily adjustable parameters. Modding. Software emulation of multiple old systems.

Which console offers all that in one package?
Well, at least with the xbox it´s possible to emulate a load of old system. Even Amiga can be emulated...

And what I like best? It depends mainly on the point of view and even on day, week, month, year, season... :D

I love both somehow. My notebook and my bunch of consoles...

Doubler

13-12-2005, 08:10 PM

PC, much more versatile :)

TheGiantMidgit

13-12-2005, 08:12 PM

Consoles, definitely. Love the simplicity. NES, Snes, they're all great. I prefer simplicity in my games (Why would say, for example, strafing or wiping ones face have to be a hassle? It's easily done in real life, so why shouldnt it be simple in a video game? I don't want to have to input a combination of keys, I just want to get it done.), so Nintendo is my way to go. Love the fact that with consoles (Nintendo, specifically) it's easy for alot of people to pick up and play, which means friends or party goers can have a fun time with it. Try explaining to a newbie how to play Nethack or ZZT compared to say, Duck Hunt.

Eagle of Fire

13-12-2005, 08:33 PM

I always prefered PC. There is simply too much to do on a computer that a console just can't do or even dream about. And I really hate the console marketing, just like we really needed the new generation of console which got out this year at a degeneratly stupid price.

Why buy a console at 500-600+$ when you can buy a top of the line PC for only 400$ more?

TheGiantMidgit

13-12-2005, 08:34 PM

Why buy either when you can pick up an NES for 20$ or less?

omg

13-12-2005, 08:36 PM

600$? i got my x box for 80 uk pounds. and it came with 4 games.. what made me buy it, direct x 9 c or whatever, thats what made me buy it, suddenly i had to turn off blood splattering on the walls to make postal 2 work. that simply will not do.

Eagle of Fire

13-12-2005, 08:42 PM

We are talking about the 360 here Omg. Not the old, utterly (now) outclassed Xbox. Ew, to think someone might see you still playing with that! It's so out of date now! Etc.

TheGiantMidgit: I wish. A Snes is a piece of collection nowaday, at least around this part of the globe. I might, as you said, manage to (luckily) find a Snes console for around 20$ at a garage sale, but the games in themselves I will only be able to find them in special shops which sell them 40$ and above a piece for the good games. And who want to play the boring games? :rolleyes:

I used, since around 10 years, to hunt games in sale bins in shops. I usually buy my games 10 to 20$ and I have way more play time than most of the new console games like Fable, for example. 10 gaming hours play time, that must be a new record. :blink:

I usually get around 40 gaming hours per game I purchase for only 10 bucks. Go me. :P

Spoonman

13-12-2005, 08:46 PM

I doubt anyone who really goes for abandonware (pretty much everyone on this forum) would prefer a console above the PC.

And neither do I, because I've grown up with PC and PC-gaming and I dislike those quirky keypads you need to use, yuck.

Besides, I can't even edit my photos with an x-box, major disappointment :P

omg

13-12-2005, 08:52 PM

im being dissed for playing on an x box.. on a classic dos games forum.. something feels not quite right here..
i got a 3.1ghz system in the other room, im currently on my net/music terminal . but im sick of patching games (or waiting for patches in the case of postal 2) to get my games working. i get home from work and i want a gameing session i dont want the trauma of dealing with my fave game crashing (ie postal 2) becuse of microsoft releaseing a new version of direct x.

pcs
1 hp netserver pro lh
2 p2s
1 1.1ghz system
1 3.1 ghz system

consoles
sega megadrive
sega dreamcast
ps1
x box

edit: quote by eagle of fire
And who want to play the boring games?

again, this is coming from a mod on a site that hosts games that use graphics even more outdated than the nes... it really feels not right.
like i say im waiting for the ps3 to come out before i decide wether or not to get a 360. but due to the fact i will have to get patches to get my x box games working im not so sure as i like consoles becuse they just work.
i always feel its kind of a waste using a pc for gaming. and when it comes to music software you get a performance hitch if you install games on the same drive as your music soft. maybe im just to sensitive to milliseconds of lag, who knows.

besides x box 360 260 ukp. a new 3 ghz plus system is 600 pounds plus unless you skimp massivley on what you have on board.

SupSuper

13-12-2005, 09:02 PM

PC. Besides the reasons most have already posted, and:

If it breaks, I can fix it :)

troop18546

13-12-2005, 09:14 PM

PC. It invents everything.

Blood-Pigggy

13-12-2005, 10:09 PM

The best platform for gaming ever in my opinion was the SNES.
That system alone set so many trends and cliches that are now evident in the games we play everyday.

TheGiantMidgit

13-12-2005, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Dec 13 2005, 09:42 PM
TheGiantMidgit: I wish. A Snes is a piece of collection nowaday, at least around this part of the globe.
Oh. Around here, they spawn from the forest floor late at night, in order to sneak in local pawn shops. Guess it's a localization thing.

And who want to play the boring games?* :rolleyes:

I would. If you could call Contra 3 boring, then it's time to take the glue bottle from your nostril.

Havell

13-12-2005, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit@Dec 13 2005, 11:12 PM
And who want to play the boring games?* :rolleyes:

I would. If you could call Contra 3 boring, then it's time to take the glue bottle from your nostril.
He's right in that respect. Good SNES games can cost twice or even three tiems as much as the SNES itself, just check eBay for Final Fantasy III or any other good game.

I voted PC, it's the best gaming platform, plus it can emulate all other gaming platforms (including the SNES, and we all know that console gaming has gone downhill from there). It can also do other stuff, like music, work and t'interent.

TheGiantMidgit

13-12-2005, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Havell+Dec 13 2005, 11:17 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Havell @ Dec 13 2005, 11:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-TheGiantMidgit@Dec 13 2005, 11:12 PM
And who want to play the boring games?* :rolleyes:

I would. If you could call Contra 3 boring, then it's time to take the glue bottle from your nostril.
He's right in that respect. Good SNES games can cost twice or even three tiems as much as the SNES itself, just check eBay for Final Fantasy III or any other good game.

I voted PC, it's the best gaming platform, plus it can emulate all other gaming platforms (including the SNES, and we all know that console gaming has gone downhill from there). It can also do other stuff, like music, work and t'interent. [/b][/quote]
I was refering to the quality of the games, not the price. And yea, games, if in high demand, can cost a pretty penny.

I got nothing against PC gaming, great for complex, involving games, net play is great as well, but at a party, 4 player Drunken Bomberman reigns supreme because Console games are so easy to pick up and play, even to the uninitiated.

omg

13-12-2005, 11:13 PM

exactly why if you are talking purely for games consoles rule. of course if you are not then the pc is ahead, if i had to use the music software you get on consoles i would have to kill myself. i thought though we were talking purely for gaming, but clearly we arnt, which seems a little unfair, at the end of the day a home pc is a jack of all trades so its going to win against a console, but if you are talking purely for gaming then consoles are a hell of a lot more accesable.
besides you almost never get a good beat em up for a pc, and to have a 4 player game on a pc you need a home lan, the setting up of which costs how much... (not just in cash but also in terms of time spent setting the damn thing up)

Blood-Pigggy

13-12-2005, 11:52 PM

That's right.
If this actually involves anything else other than gaming then it's obvious that the PC is going to win, most consoles haven't even become largely media intensive.

I like the console's simplicity, but sometimes I do enjoy complexity.
In my view, you can't really compare consoles and PC.
It's very rare to come across a good PC to console port, and very rare to come across a good console to PC port, mostly because their differences are so vast that they barely compare.

Evad

14-12-2005, 01:12 AM

PC for sure. PC's will always be more powerful then consoles because of upgradability. Sure they're expensive, and they get viruses, and they breakdown, and they use waaaaay more power, and they harbour terrorists and criminals, and they get people hooked on sex, and gambling and chatting, but........um...

moogle

14-12-2005, 03:41 AM

PC > all
Although teh playstatione may have my beloved Final Fantasy, PC is by far superior.
I mean, lets face it, PC has the best graphics, Xbox360, which is "top of the the line" is basically just a computer that hooks up to your TV and plays a smaller ammount of games, and charges you for ANY online play. PCs are also good for other things besides games, have you ever seen a person typing up a bueisness report on a Playstation2? No, duh. Plus Mouse>controller, at least for shooters, which is mainly what I play, that and RPGs.

TheGiantMidgit

14-12-2005, 04:17 AM

I'm intruiged as to what impact the Revolution control style will have on opinions. I mean, Duck Hunt was probably the most universally accessable game ever made (people still play it when they come here), so an entire system based off the point and click in 3d space thing might work really well. Say goodbye to your neanderthalic two dimensional mouse. We're in the twenty first century now, man. Jetsons style.

Iron_Scarecrow

14-12-2005, 06:30 AM

But I like my mouse. I stole it from a friend.

PSP is starting to look pretty promising, system wise, one day it could perhaps run emulations such as dosbox.

Anyway PC pwnz0rs all.

Eagle of Fire

14-12-2005, 06:36 AM

And who want to play the boring games?
again, this is coming from a mod on a site that hosts games that use graphics even more outdated than the nes... it really feels not right.

For your punishment about not understanding my point correctly, I hereby order you to play for hours to no end "Who wants to be a millionaire" on the PS. :bleh: LOL

Spoonman

14-12-2005, 06:37 AM

Even for games only the PC beats the consoles by far imho. True, patches and stuff can be annoying, but once you know ho it works it's all in a days work. But with the PC you can get lots of extras, like mods and editors and stuff. I don't think the console simplicity some people are mentioning is a good thing, it kinda dims the mind.

omg

14-12-2005, 06:38 AM

For your punishment about not understanding my point correctly, I hereby order you to play for hours to no end "Who wants to be a millionaire" on the PS.**

nooooooo chris tarrant! the horror! the horror!

im looking forwards to testing out a reveloution though. i read that its going to cause problems for developers when it comes to porting there titles over and could lead to the rev having an even smaller library than the cube.. could lead nintendo to big problems in the future..

this topic should really be for playing games only. seems totally unfair to put a jack of all trades up against dedicated games platforms.

TheGiantMidgit

14-12-2005, 06:52 AM

Well, if you take away the jack of all trades option, it removes alot of the allure of PC gaming, aside from customization and internet play (to which the console market is rapidly catching up)

As for the simplicity debate, that one is entirely up to opinion. As a very social person, I prefer simplicity as it allows others to easily jump into a game with no prior knowledge. Then again, simplicity need not "dim the mind". Look at, for example, alot of console puzzle games. Few could argue against the fact that Tetris is exceedingly simple, yet requires great mental leaps when one "gets into the groove". ..and adventure/action gaming is not cerebrially devoid either. Metroid, Zelda, both required advanced thinking in order to proceed or get that one last "powerup". (Try to get 100% in Metroid Fusion sometime. Some of those environment puzzles were actually quite difficult.)

Timpsi

14-12-2005, 06:53 AM

I don't think they cancel each other out.

The most important thing for me is that I don't need to go shopping for new parts over and over again. Therefore for modern gaming consoles are excellent, as these days all worthwhile titles (3-4 per year) come out on all systems, and most games are designed for consoles in the first place. The price of the console games isn't a problem, as one needs to buy only a few each year.

Also, all the best games have already been made (with a few exceptions, like for example the Pro Evolution Soccer series, which keeps evolving). Thus, retro gaming is the way to go, and for that a PC is obviously the only reasonable option. But as the games are indeed old, no upgrading is needed - the old warhorse from the previous millennium can tackle everything fed to it.

TheGiantMidgit

14-12-2005, 06:56 AM

Actually, the Nintendo revolution is adressing that problem, as it features the ability to wirelessly download any previous nintendo game in existence, from the NES to the Nintendo 64 to the Snes. They're also focusing on making the console quite cheap, in regards to the financial arguement. Unfortunatly, this will probably mean it won't be as powerful as the new XBox or Playstation, but it's innovative features more than make up for that fact. They're also implimenting free international online wi-fi play, as opposed to the "pay by the month" system most online consoles utilize. They intend it to be ready for online play, mods, downloads and other internet based features directly out of the box.

Timpsi

14-12-2005, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit@Dec 14 2005, 10:56 AM
Actually, the Nintendo revolution is adressing that problem, as it features the ability to wirelessly download any previous nintendo game in existence, from the NES to the Nintendo 64 to the Snes.
True, but that can be done with PC emulators already. Also, a PC can emulate all the other old systems as well, not just the Nintendo ones.

Not to mention all the old PC games, of course.

They're also focusing on making the console quite cheap, in regards to the financial arguement. Unfortunatly, this will probably mean it won't be as powerful as the new XBox or Playstation, but it's innovative features more than make up for that fact.
I think that once they actually start selling Revolution we'll see if they can provide enough interesting and good games for it, or if it will be just a potentially interesting failure.

TheGiantMidgit

14-12-2005, 07:09 AM

Yea.... I have a feeling we're gonna see another dreamcast scenerio. It is not doing well in the polls so far, despite the huge interest it has generated in the console crowd. Seems people want prettier games now, rather than straight out fun ones.

As for emulation, I like it, alot, especially MAME, but dangit, it just doesn't feel right on a keyboard (We actually went as far as building an arcade cabinet control panel to play arcade games with. I'll put up a pic of it sometime if anyones interested.) I do not condone emulation, using it to test a game before I purchase or to pick up unavailable games abadoned by their respective developers.

Spoonman

14-12-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit@Dec 14 2005, 07:52 AM
Then again, simplicity need not "dim the mind". Look at, for example, alot of console puzzle games. Few could argue against the fact that Tetris is exceedingly simple, yet requires great mental leaps when one "gets into the groove". ..and adventure/action gaming is not cerebrially devoid either. Metroid, Zelda, both required advanced thinking in order to proceed or get that one last "powerup". (Try to get 100% in Metroid Fusion sometime. Some of those environment puzzles were actually quite difficult.)
True (and thank goodness games in general still keep a tendency to challenge the player mentally as well as reflex-wise), but in my opinion the feeling of having control plays a bigger part. You've got the game-layer, and then you've got the software-layer and then there's the hardware-layer.. after that there's the rest of the world :P.

And no, this doesn't have to be too difficult for the younger people.. I mean, I was young once too and I'm not much of a hardcore pc-nerd, so.. you just need a bit of patience and time to figure it out.

Maybe I'm taking this way too serious, but I do think PC's stimulates a philosophic way of thinking even outside the gaming borders. Well, at least I can say it has stimulated my own analytic way of thinking. Consoles are just too predefined for me I guess.

swiss

14-12-2005, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by the_fifth_horseman@Dec 13 2005, 05:21 PM
PC. Much more power and versatility. Easily adjustable parameters. Modding. Software emulation of multiple old systems.

Which console offers all that in one package?
:ok: :ok: :ok:

Same with me!

The console games are toooo expensive and I know my self good enough that a game bores me after a few hours of playing. so I prefer valuepacks, abandonware and freeware ... saves a lot of money.

Eagle of Fire

14-12-2005, 05:04 PM

I don't understand the argument some people keep coming out against the PC, which is the constant upgrade. I purchased this PC almost 2 years ago now and never needed to upgrade it. Before that, I was playing on my dad PC which is nearly 4 years old now and they never upgraded it either!

The problem is not the upgrade, the problem lay between the keyboard and the chair. If you, the consumer, feel compelled to upgrade your machine every year to play the last of the line game which got out (and we are obviously talking about shooters here, which I hate) then you are firing yourself into the feet because a game never need so much graphics to be enjoyable.

As always, if game producers would stop concentrating their efforts on graphics instead of gameplay, we would never "need" to upgrade every year. But we can't blame them; it's what the users want! :rolleyes:

plague

14-12-2005, 05:27 PM

Pc. You can do much more with it than just play.

Blood-Pigggy

14-12-2005, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Timpsi@Dec 14 2005, 03:05 AM

True, but that can be done with PC emulators already. Also, a PC can emulate all the other old systems as well, not just the Nintendo ones.

Yes, but Nintendo's way is legal, and most likely, much easier.
And you have a controller you can actually play the games with.

Sean

14-12-2005, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by plague@Dec 14 2005, 06:27 PM
Pc. You can do much more with it than just play.
You can't with the 360? :crazy:

punch999

14-12-2005, 08:15 PM

Its easy to actually turn your xbox and your PS2 into a linux machine but I still prefer the comp.

DonCorleone

14-12-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Sean+Dec 14 2005, 09:08 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sean @ Dec 14 2005, 09:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-plague@Dec 14 2005, 06:27 PM
Pc. You can do much more with it than just play.
You can't with the 360? :crazy: [/b][/quote]
Not right now. But you definately will be able to mod the 360 so that you can do a lot more with it...

Sean

14-12-2005, 08:20 PM

With the 360 you can already do much more than 'just play'.

Upload photos, talk via voice with friends for FREE (Live Required). Watch DVD's, listen to music.... etc etc.

Blood-Pigggy

14-12-2005, 09:32 PM

X-Box 360 is good for people too cheap to get a stereo, DVD, gaming system, and etc. all in one, without the complications of a PC.
It actually works much better if you just want to sit down and play a game.

omg

14-12-2005, 09:35 PM

i think most people who buy a 360 wil already have a dvd player, stereo, computer ect ..

Blood-Pigggy

14-12-2005, 09:36 PM

I know quite a few people who don't.
It's actually surprising how many people lack those things, and not because they're poor.

I just think it'd make it easier anyway, it's all provided on one dingus, so they don't have to keep switching wires or etc.

Bp103

15-12-2005, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Sean@Dec 14 2005, 09:20 PM
With the 360 you can already do much more than 'just play'.

Upload photos, talk via voice with friends for FREE (Live Required). Watch DVD's, listen to music.... etc etc.
You can do all that with a ps2 If you get Eye Toy chat.
heres a link for eye toy chat:
http://ps2.ign.com/objects/681/681449.html

moogle

15-12-2005, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Sean@Dec 14 2005, 09:20 PM
With the 360 you can already do much more than 'just play'.

Upload photos, talk via voice with friends for FREE (Live Required). Watch DVD's, listen to music.... etc etc.
Woah new avatar! :blink: :ot:
Anyways, yes, you can do that with an Xbox360, but think about it, you can upload photos yes, but can you use photoshop? (imagines photoshop with a counsel controller AHH!!!!) Yes, you can do voice chat, but can you only do it with other Xboxers?

efthimios

15-12-2005, 03:26 AM

I like how easy is to operate a game console, other than that, I still prefer the PC.
For those old enough to remember first hand the 80s and early 90s, we had similar discussions over the ultimate victory of consoles over the PCs. The PCs were underpowered, the graphics in the games were horrible 99.9%. The sound was abysmal, and you had just a keyboard, not even a mouse in most cases, or a joystick. They were far more expensive than a game console and if you wanted to play new games (not even new games with high details but actual just new games) you had to heavily upgrade. In fact at some point even upgrading a PC was a bad move. Every year or so we didn't have just new graphics cards etc, we had whole new hardware interfaces that basicaly meant you would be better to buy a new PC much sooner than nowdays.
The games on game consoles had better graphics, better sound, some would say even better gameplay, and yes, better controllers. There were even game consoles that had full time keyboard and mouse in use that sold millions of units each. (for example Atari ST and Amiga "home computers", which I used to own btw).
For some reason the PC not only did not suffer, but, increased in popularity and became by the early 90s the superior gaming platform. Then, first with the Playstation 1, everybody who wanted to be "hip" and of course the people who would buy them, started again claiming the end of the PC as a gaming platform was near, that Playstation etc were selling millions of consoles etc etc. The PC didn't care though. It continued and to every one that said it was dead, it would reply "sure". And keep on living. When PS2, Xbox, GC (and earlier Dreamcast) arrived, they again were the last hits to the PC as a gaming platform. The consoles were cheaper than a brand new top of the line graphics card, did not need upgrade every year or so to continue playing top of the line games, were easier to control, when first appeared they had better graphics and sound than most modern PC games. Most of the media and the usual people, were certain, this is the end of the PC as a gaming platform. The PC and the PC gamers smiled and nodded.
End of 2005, 2006, the "next generation" of gaming consoles is here. Better graphics, better sound, better controllers than most PC games (still using a keyboard? hahahaha, so lame!). Why buy a more expensive PC when you can get a gaming console instead? You know that is cheaper to buy an Xbox 360 than a new top of the line PC graphics card, right? And the new gaming consoles are so much more powerful!!!
PC answers. "*sigh*"
Call me crazy, but I see a pattern over the last 25 years repeating every 5 or so years.
:whistle:

EDIT: I just want to add two more things. While when a next generation of game consoles is released they are more powerful than the average PC, the average PC is still a powerful equipment/tool/gaming console. Funny thing is to read an average PC review (actualy PC not game) about a system with a Athlon 64 or Pentium IV at 2.8 or something and say it is not powerful enough with the current configuration to run say the modern FPS games, but they are good enough for word processing and "home use". Word processing with a pentium IV at 2.8 GHz!!!! FFS!
Two, while it might be convenient (spelling?) to try to dismiss the effectiveness of the PC as everything else than just a gaming platform, it is IMO silly to do so if you want to get any real answers. Like or hate it, the fact that the PC is far more than to play games has and will continue to play a huge role as to why it remains the most popular platform. And as long as there are hundrends and hundrends of millions of PCs, there will be games for them :D

Timpsi

15-12-2005, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy+Dec 14 2005, 11:13 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blood-Pigggy @ Dec 14 2005, 11:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>******QuoteBegin-Timpsi@Dec 14 2005, 03:05 AM

True, but that can be done with PC emulators already. Also, a PC can emulate all the other old systems as well, not just the Nintendo ones.

Yes, but Nintendo's way is legal, and most likely, much easier.
And you have a controller you can actually play the games with.[/b][/quote]
You don't have a game pad for your PC? ;) Also, the console in question doesn't exist yet. The legality issue is valid, but in todays society a retro gamer cannot help breaking the law every now and then (have a look at the site we're on, for instance).

While Revolution might make it easy to play old Nintendo games, I'd still prefer using PC for emulating all old systems (ranging from the 8-bit computers to consoles to arcade machines) than purchasing several consoles for the purpose - and still never get to play all the games I'd like.

Or I might just buy the Revolution if it turns out to be good enough, and use the good old PC to emulate all the other systems. Much depends on the availability of worthy *new* games for Revolution.

My opinion on the matter would stay the same in all cases, though; a console for modern games, and a PC for the old ones.

Luso

15-12-2005, 11:20 AM

In Portugal the price of last generation of consoles beat 500€ a good PC costs 1000, with monitor and printing.

Are the consoles cheap? :not_ok:

plague

15-12-2005, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Sean+Dec 14 2005, 11:08 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sean @ Dec 14 2005, 11:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-plague@Dec 14 2005, 06:27 PM
Pc. You can do much more with it than just play.
You can't with the 360? :crazy: [/b][/quote]
I don't know. Can you do 3d modelling with it?

The Fifth Horseman

15-12-2005, 02:13 PM

The console games are toooo expensive and I know my self good enough that a game bores me after a few hours of playing. so I prefer valuepacks, abandonware and freeware ... saves a lot of money.

Same here.

Altough I am considering purchase of a pocket-size console... GBA SP, maybe, simply because I cannot carry my PC on my back when I am travelling.

omg

15-12-2005, 03:05 PM

lets just stick to this as being for games, becuse if it isnt its like debating a normall car versus formula 1,
as for the 3d modelling thing. the people i know who have built rendering farms and lightwave terminals wouldent let your copy of doom 3 anywhere near those terminals. your pc is supoosedly a multi use system but at the end of the day if you want performance you cant have it all. rendering farms and video editing terminals have dedicated drives that if you were to install a game on those drives the owners would slap you. repeatedly.
so there is absalutley no point going "nyerr my pc can do 3d modelling internet, and play games" becuse when it comes to Pro Apps they like to have a hd to themselfs (or at the least a primary partition) and they like to be operated from a windows install that isnt full of gigabytes of useless game data.
as for the games being to expensive for consoles, well they are the same price as pc games, what you mean is you cant get free games for them.

The Niles

15-12-2005, 04:04 PM

(semi) Professionals have render farms, amateurs have multi use PCs.
I have heard a few tweakers turning several XBox's into a render farm (using Linux) but it is cheaper to use PCs .

Not sure where you buy your games but in the Netherlands console games are deffnitly more expensive then PC titles. There are a few exceptions (Half Life 2 commes to mind) that come close to console prices at launch but PC titles overall are cheaper (by about €10) at launch also PC titles tend to drop in price faster then console titles.

Blood-Pigggy

15-12-2005, 04:15 PM

Console games in the US are generally cheaper.
New PC releases go for as high as 60 dollars, while consoles usually always float around 50 dollars, in fact, my Resident Evil 4 Collector's Edition only cost 60 dollars, (same as a Half Life 2 game when it was first releaseD) and it had several more things than HL2.
Several PC games go for high prices even if they aren't that popular, it just takes more time and money to make them, so I guess they'd have to charge more.

@Timpsi : Not sure if you knew this already, but ROMs are 100% illegal, unless they're homemade. All that "Time to delete in 1 day" is a load of bull, any piracy is piracy, even if it's for a old system, and unlike Abandonware, it really isn't supported by most of the gaming community.
I agree, it is awesome to play the oldies on my PC, but it just isn't legal at all.
And about %80 percent of people who own a computer for gaming do not have a gamepad, I don't see why you would want one either, they're mostly all horribly designed by people who have no clue how to make a controller. I still have one from around 2000 that's better than anything else they've been putting out.

When it comes to console controllers, they're about 500 times better than a PC Gamepad.

On the case of keeping this "games only", it definitely should be, and whoever said "Does the Xbox360 have photoshop?" doesn't prove a single thing, Photoshop costs about the same as a 360, while providing a huge load less.
In fact, Photoshop is so overpriced it's ridiculous, most people that actually own it have a pirated version.

I really believe X-Box Live, despite its price, is MUCH better online than playing on a PC, I don't have to worry about stability issues, lag, server ping, and other such annoying details. Not only that, but those headsets are amazing, sure, you can plug one into your PC, but how many games actually support that?

When it comes to easy use, a console is much better, but for a deeper experience I'd go for the PC, both old and new. Besides, if you're really only going to go for one system (if you're that biased) then you're going to miss out on several games.

Havell

15-12-2005, 04:28 PM

Here PC Games cost around ?30-40 on realease, with console games costing between ?40-50.

@Pigggy, there is an extrmely wide selactino of gamepads for PC, many of which are carbon copies of cnsole controllers, so your "better gamepad" argument doesn't wash.

Oh, and playing ROMs is a gaming advantage, whether legal or not.

Spoonman

15-12-2005, 04:32 PM

60 dollars? Well here in the netherlands they're mostly about 50 euro's when just released, and then you've got a expensive PC game. But I just wait until they're about 10 euros, which sometimes is quite soon after the release.

Couldn't tell how that goes for console games though, I never buy any of those.

Sean

15-12-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Havell@Dec 15 2005, 05:28 PM
Here PC Games cost around ?30-40 on realease, with console games costing between ?40-50.

@Pigggy, there is an extrmely wide selactino of gamepads for PC, many of which are carbon copies of cnsole controllers, so your "better gamepad" argument doesn't wash.

Oh, and playing ROMs is a gaming advantage, whether legal or not.
?40-50?

In my local ASDA brand new games cost around ?32-40
I haven't seen a game other ?40 for a year or so now and that's including big gaming megastores. Prices aren't really that much of an issue. A ?10 difference either way just means a little bit more saving. A lot of PC games aren't as polished as their console counterparts as they are constantly 'patched' with a console game testing is exhaustive as a buggy game just won't sell.

I think really it's best to have a decent gaming console and then a workable PC. That way both thirsts are quenched for quite a low price. If money isn't an issue then I would say get a top end PC. Most of us don't have that kind of cash though :cry:

efthimios

15-12-2005, 04:42 PM

As usual in the UK we like to getting behind-pushed and pay more money for our games. As Havell said new console games are about 50 quid whish is like $88 and new PC games cheaper, at 35-40 quid, which is $70.

The gamepad thing is just a joke, right? You can get any type of controller for the PC, including 100% copies of gaming console controllers if that is your thing.

omg

15-12-2005, 05:44 PM

50 quid for new console games... well im not sure about the 360 but if you are paying 50 quid for games on other platforms, where are you buying them? harrods?
go to gamestation man. every town i go to first thing i do is check out there gamestation. brand new x box games for 20 quid. loads of second hand games for 4 for 20. i spent 20 quid in there yesterday for 2 games admitidally, but as those two games were bloodrayne and fable im not to fussed.

Eagle of Fire

15-12-2005, 05:53 PM

And about %80 percent of people who own a computer for gaming do not have a gamepad, I don't see why you would want one either, they're mostly all horribly designed by people who have no clue how to make a controller. I still have one from around 2000 that's better than anything else they've been putting out.
That's not a valid argument, a "gamepad" is something I used to play with 10 years ago. And it was old at that time.

Nowaday, you can purchase a controller for your PC which is identical to any controller used on any console. Just wait a little and you'll see the same thing happening with the new generation, Microsoft is under the 360 after all. Would they pass the chance to make easy money somehow? I doubt it. The other companies will follow just to get a share too when it will happen. :P

omg

15-12-2005, 05:56 PM

microsoft passing up a chance for easy money... thats as likely as george bush turning into a hippy.

Luso

15-12-2005, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by The Niles@Dec 15 2005, 05:04 PM

Not sure where you buy your games but in the Netherlands ... but PC titles overall are cheaper (by about €10) at launch also PC titles tend to drop in price faster then console titles.
I do not believe
in Portugal a game for PC is +/- 35/50€ nothing less

Spoonman

15-12-2005, 06:07 PM

I think he meant 10 euro's cheaper in comparison to the US prices.

Oh wait, maybe it's in comparison to console games. :whistle:

Luso

15-12-2005, 06:14 PM

I did not have understood
grateful for the explanation

The Niles

15-12-2005, 07:46 PM

Yep that is cheaper then console games. Also if your lucky and wait long enough PC games drop to €5-10 even some of the really decent ones. I have picked up a lot of games like that. The cheapest console game I have ever seen cost €15.

Cost aside PC's and consoles are just different animals. Saying you can only compare a PCs gaming abilities to determin if a PC is better or worse then a console is not being fair. A PC is NOT just a gaming computer. How many of you are posting on this forum via a console? When you need to turn in a report for school how many of you write it on your console (you might be playing on your console when you SHOULD be writing though)?
A console is not meant to be in the same room even as a PC. The next generation consoles are designed as the centre piece of the living room, providing all manner of entertainment. Games, obviously, but also your MP3 collection, movies and, in future, all manner of subscribe for services over the internet (all of which a PC can give you as well but console makers tend to forget that) . A PC should be anywhere but in the livingroom. At least that is how the console makers would like to see it, if that actually will happen is something we will have to wait and see. I doubt it though.

Personally I use my console (yes I own one, a PS2) mostly when friends drop by for some social fun. My PC I use when I'm alone to play with friends still but over the internet. See? Two different creatures, living peacefully side by side.

Timpsi

16-12-2005, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Dec 15 2005, 08:15 PM
@Timpsi : Not sure if you knew this already, but ROMs are 100% illegal, unless they're homemade. All that "Time to delete in 1 day" is a load of bull, any piracy is piracy, even if it's for a old system, and unlike Abandonware, it really isn't supported by most of the gaming community. I agree, it is awesome to play the oldies on my PC, but it just isn't legal at all.
Of course it is illegal - in fact I did say that in my post. But how come you see a problem in downloading no longer supported/sold games that have been made for systems that don't even exist anymore, while downloading abandoned PC games is fine? And I'm not referring only to Nintendo ones, mind you; while it would be nice to have them supporting their old titles through Revolution, it still cannot provide an answer for playing games for example for Amstrad CPC, Atari Jaguar, Sega Megadrive, Spectrum ZX, etc.

And about %80 percent of people who own a computer for gaming do not have a gamepad, I don't see why you would want one either, they're mostly all horribly designed by people who have no clue how to make a controller. I still have one from around 2000 that's better than anything else they've been putting out. When it comes to console controllers, they're about 500 times better than a PC Gamepad.
Where did you get the 80% from? The gamepads are an ancient thing on PCs, and have evolved incredibly from the '80s. They're excellent for multiplaying on one computer, and they don't pale in comparison to the console ones (in fact, there are PC versions of most console controllers. The Xbox 360 controller came for PC even before the console itself hit the market).

Not only that, but those headsets are amazing, sure, you can plug one into your PC, but how many games actually support that?
Almost all modern games? Besides, there are several third-party programs that can do it for you.