Teach Me How To Fight!

[TheChosen]

Yup. Teach me some good moves and other fighting stuff.

Anything goes: Boxing, Karate, Dirty tactics (ecspecially dirty tactics)...etc.

Notice: If i would enter in a weight-lifting contest, i couldn't lift the thingie if it has any weights attacheds.

[troop18546]

Play more mk and you'll learn lots of'em Chosen.

[Havell]

Kick them in the nads, then knee them in the face when they stoop over in pain. Then run like hell.

[Quintopotere]

As a martial art master, I could teach you many things... but I doubt you can learn to fight just reading some posts in a forum... :ph34r:

Anyway, why do you need to fight? That is the first step that could lead to the defeat...

[Ignite]

Scream, then follow up with a quick right, and finish up with a push... THEN RUN!!!

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Ignite@Dec 10 2005, 01:17 PM
Scream, then follow up with a quick right, and finish up with a push... THEN RUN!!!
Do you mean a "fear scream" or an "anger scream"? Or something like a "mad scream"?

LOL

[Ignite]

It doenst matter, youll be eating dirt in a few seconds anyway :crazy:

[Sean]

Poke em in the eye but make sure you don't put yourself to the floor laughing afterwards.

[Havell]

Originally posted by Quintopotere+Dec 10 2005, 01:14 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Quintopotere @ Dec 10 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anyway, why do you need to fight? That is the first step that could lead to the defeat... [/b]
It's a good point:

******QuoteBegin-Sun Tzu@ Art of War
To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of success, but to triumph without fighting is the mark of supreme excellence.[/quote]

(well, he said it in Chinese, but y'know)

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by troop18546+Dec 10 2005, 12:55 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (troop18546 @ Dec 10 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Play more mk and you'll learn lots of'em Chosen. [/b]
Learn what? Throwing stuff and morphing?

******QuoteBegin-Quintopotere
Anyway, why do you need to fight? That is the first step that could lead to the defeat... [/quote]


Who knows? Maybe il join in the WWE someday.

[Eva02Soul]

Having a quick mind helps a lot, from what little experience i've had in sparring and fighting. Remembering proper form and structure of a move is one thing, but finding the oppurtunity to remember and use it against someone who is actually trying to hit you back is something else.

[Toxik]

well,because i resemble stickman I use tactic of fast punches in the face,then immediately hit their nads and run!seriously,direct fight solves nothing.

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by TheChosen+Dec 10 2005, 01:56 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheChosen @ Dec 10 2005, 01:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Who knows? Maybe il join in the WWE someday. [/b]
Well, for that, I can suggest you a lot of body building an acrobat course and a bit of drama...

******QuoteBegin-Eva02Soul
Remembering proper form and structure of a move is one thing, but finding the oppurtunity to remember and use it against someone who is actually trying to hit you back is something else.[/quote]

So right!

[efthimios]

Originally posted by Sean@Dec 10 2005, 02:29 PM
Poke em in the eye but make sure you don't put yourself to the floor laughing afterwards.
I advise against that move. One tried to do it to me once, very very painful. (not for me)



As for the original question.
No need to learn how to fight. Find others that will do the fight for you.

[Sebatianos]

The best advice would be:

Talk quitely, walk gracefully and carry a spiked baseball bat (also learn how to freak out).

The fighting skill itself won't help at all. You need the correct attitude.

[moogle]

Ok, first, find some old rich guy, somehow aquire all of his money, pay some rich scientist to develop a high tech umbrella with internal weaponry, make tons of smoke bombs that hide inside your shoe and go off with the push of a button, then,when you see someone that is attacking you, hit him with the umbrella, activate the smoke bomb and run!

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by efthimios+Dec 10 2005, 04:19 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (efthimios @ Dec 10 2005, 04:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Sean@Dec 10 2005, 02:29 PM
Poke em in the eye but make sure you don't put yourself to the floor laughing afterwards.
I advise against that move. One tried to do it to me once, very very painful. (not for me) [/b]
That move isn't useful in attacking, but can be done in defending... obviously, to make it you should have a good precision and be quick!

******QuoteBegin-Sebastianos
Talk quitely, walk gracefully[/quote]
This is the best way to reduce the possibility to have a fight: be calm :ok:

[Sean]

I find it amusing that so many people are taking this thread seriouslly.

*Cough*Quinti*Cough*

Want more advice?

Take up Kickboxing at a local club or something, keep you fit and teach you how to '*$"!' somebody up :)

[Quintopotere]

Well, I've not taken so seriously this topic... but I never miss an occasion to give a good suggestion: Don't fight! Starting a fight you have already lost!

[Kon-Tiki]

You can always be driven into a fight, where the other person(s) start it and you have to get out of there.

I myself don't have many techniques. The few I do know, are from experience in Scouts, although I know the actual name of my favourite one: the Boshiken. This one's basically that you put your thumb between index finger and middle finger, locking those fingers in the joint of your thumb, so that it protrudes, but won't bend. The trick now, is to just hit. Officially, you have to hit between bone structures, like between ribs, or between armbone and biceps. Personally, I find those too hard to aim for in real combat. Instead, aim for the bigger weak spots that way: Stomach, neck, etc.

Another one's a quick thing to learn too, but I'd have to show you. Saying "The blade of your arm" won't tell you anything, unless I can show it to you. Here goes anyways:
When you've gotten behind your opponent, put the blade of your arm agains his throat while putting your knee in his lower back. Keep pushing your knee forward while pulling your arm in until you feel the center of weight of your opponent's shifted entirely. Then let go and... opponent to the floor.

Aside from this, there're two basic guidelines:
1) Keep a good stance: E.g. Knees bent slightly, one foot in front of the other.
2) Never hit and retreat upon contact. Always hit and keep going.

[Dino]

Chosen, I don't want to put you off, but you can't seriously think that somebody can teach you something about fighting (even slightly useful) in theory. :)

My first advice would be to start building up your muscle mass (just lift some light weights two times a day, do some push-ups in series and start having proper nutrition, a.k.a. get yourself in shape). Furthermore, have some lessons in martial-arts. I would advise you to forget about kick-boxing, thai-boxing or such, since you say you can't lift much and I suppose you are not in shape for that kind of fight (you would probably just have your behind kicked in some sparing and you'll be fed up with it in very short period of time). Instead, take lessons in some other stand-up martial art which doesn't require that kind of power and body structure. My bet is on karate in that case, as it is an art which trains your reflexes and speed, thus teaching you how to use your power in the best possible way.

Some time later you can get a punching bag so you can train at home as well (let's say 20-30 minutes a day). Your punches and kicks will become stronger and more precise with time, and when that combines with good reflexes, speed and proper technique, it can become quite a combination. I'm pretty certain this would fulfill your needs!

[Ignite]

How about walking around with a sign, that says: KICK ME!!!

[Stebbi]

[quote] Play more mk and you'll learn lots of'em Chosen.
Learn what? Throwing stuff and morphing?

No like theyr moves.... or watch anime i even made some new moves my self...

[ReamusLQ]

You could get a blackbelt in Tai-Bo for very little money. Just buy the video tape and do what it says! Hehe, could you imagine how that fight would play out?

Jerk: You're dead punk!
You: Oh yeah!? Just a second!
<You insert 80's rock music tape into a boombox>
Jerk: Huh?
You: Ready? And punch, and punch, and kick, and kick, and round house, and...
<You don't finish because Jerk smashes your face into the sidewalk>

OR

<Jerk laughs so hard his organs split out his back and he falls to the ground dead>


I'm pretty good at fighting, although I haven't had any real formal training. Basically, I'm just very very strong, especially for someone my size, so I can out muscle most people in a fight.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

i think caring conventional everyday items as clothing and accessories as weapons is a key way to not get beaten up. Like my studded belt for instance you can whip people and chock them with it. Also think of the world arround you. its a weapon to be used. Any large blunt object or anything pointy will surely hurt like a bitch when slammed on someones head or jammed into there face

when you are done make sure to run and avoid that person. Also you are not a coward you are smart. see you dont have severe bruises now do you and im sure that person is now scared of you

[Kearnsy]

I actually have some size and strength (being a rugby player) and I did Karate for a while... but I haven't been in a real fight.
despite coming REALLY close.

So, my advice is to look like you know what your doing, or lok like you could do some damage and they wont even try it. It works for me.

...but if you dont want to go to the gym 3 times a week and start playing rugby with 100KG+ Islander guys... maybe you should try a different course of action.
:D

[laiocfar]

Yup. Teach me some good moves and other fighting stuff.

Anything goes: Boxing, Karate, Dirty tactics (ecspecially dirty tactics)...etc.

Notice: If i would enter in a weight-lifting contest, i couldn't lift the thingie if it has any weights attacheds.

Be always hevier, if try to hit u with a puch, hit him with a spanner, if he takes out a flick knife, take out an army knive like Rambo´s one. Pos: u will be the panic of many. Neg: u can get killed.

Dirty tactics... trowh sand to the eyes and make a tacle(launch all your weight to his waist from down to up, and when u picked up him, trowhhim to floor with all your person in his waist too).... use no convensional wapons like weights in your hands for harder hitting..... trowh the first punch clear and follow it with an elbow hit

I actually have some size and strength (being a rugby player) and I did Karate for a while... but I haven't been in a real fight.
despite coming REALLY close.

So, my advice is to look like you know what your doing, or lok like you could do some damage and they wont even try it. It works for me.

...but if you dont want to go to the gym 3 times a week and start playing rugby with 100KG+ Islander guys... maybe you should try a different course of action.
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U play rugby?...where and in which position? I am hooker in La Salle (2do league in Argentina)

[Evad]

Seb was right to say that atittude is everything. Ask yourself why you want to learn how to fight and this will give you some direction. There is no wrong answer.

If I could offer just one thing that would make you a better fighter it would be to jog. Road work is roughly 75 % of a boxers training. Jogging will give you foot work, and good lungs. After you are comfortable jogging, or if you already are try this little gem. When you are into a good jog, and have hit your second wind, pick targets of about 200 or so meters away and sprint to them. when you get to the target don't stop, instead continue on jogging and recover while you are moving, when you have your wind back sprint again. Your postur should be upright but relaxed, and arms should pump straight forward and back. Get into a rhythm with your breathing, and make sure you are breathing in the nose and out the mouth. This is a good drill because it is progressive, and you can cater it to your specific physical shape.

A second thing that I found through my training is how to hit with my entire body. The trick is footwork. watch a boxxing match and see how they move the hips. Unless you are mike tyson you probably can't knock someone out with just your arms. there is a saying in karate that power is rooted in the feet, developed in the legs, and directed in the hips. basically all your upper limbs do is channel the power.

Finally, and this is by no means an authoritive or complete over view, learn some ground skills. It is accepted that as many as 80% of street fights end up on the ground, and although most people can throw a half decent punch most will faulter when it comes to wrestling. there are three main possitions in submission wrestling(brazilian jujitsu) and they are ,: The Guard(defensive but also very oppertunistic and offering great counter attacting potential. the Mount( most dominant). finally the side-mount(transitional between guard and mount, customarily though to have little potential although new strides are being made by current competetors.) just do a search of BJJ, or better yet, rent some Ultimate Fighting Championships( the older ones are better because they show drastically what happens when you make mistakes.)

that's my two cents hope it helps. .

[Flop]

Well, all the advice so far has been good, but if you really, really want to win a fight, the best advice is to hit the other guy as hard as you can on the nose. If you hit him right and hard enough, he'll go down in one punch. This is why so many fights are over before they start: someone hits someone else on the nose, before that guy even realises that a fight has started. Of course, doing that means that you yourself have to start the fight, which is never recommended (if you ask me, at least).

If the fight has already started (and you somehow avoided getting knocked out), my best advice is to keep trying to avoid getting hit on the nose, and go for the other guy's balls. Then stomp on his neck when he's down.

Edit: I think it should be noted that stomping on the guys neck when he's down, carries a risk of killing him. But hey, you wanted to fight, right?

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by Flop@Dec 11 2005, 08:08 AM
Well, all the advice so far has been good, but if you really, really want to win a fight, the best advice is to hit the other guy as hard as you can on the nose.
Hitting the throat you can easily kill, and is simplier to hit than the nose (at least in my experience)...

..but, hey, this topic is turning a bit violent, don't you think?

EDIT: Should we put a parental advisory in the topic title? :blink:

[troop18546]

Originally posted by TheChosen+Dec 10 2005, 03:56 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheChosen @ Dec 10 2005, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-troop18546@Dec 10 2005, 12:55 PM
Play more mk and you'll learn lots of'em Chosen.
Learn what? Throwing stuff and morphing? [/b][/quote]
Pfff... :whistle:
maybe not thta good an example but "Punisher" that teaches a lot.

My example: charge into'em and bash their heads off.

[plague]

1. Let your enemy to hit you.
2. Fall to the ground.
3. Start screaming, crying and try to look as miserable as possible.
4. When you enemy starts to feel pity and come to help you, crab his (or hers ofcourse ^_^ ) hand and pull him/her to the ground.
5. Get up and start kicking (places where you foe shall feel the pain: groins, neck, groins, ribs, groins, head, groins and solar plexus)

This is the art of dirty tricks. But since you must only use your fighting skill when it's absolutely necessary for yours or someone elses survival (not for survival of the mad guy who's trying to destroy the world), you should first try this:

1. Disable you enemy. Well aimed kick to groins should work.
2. Run like there's no tomorrow.

Master has spoken.

[Havell]

Originally posted by plague@Dec 11 2005, 12:16 PM
4. When you enemy starts to feel pity and come to help you, crab his (or hers ofcourse ^_^ ) hand and pull him/her to the ground.
Grab his hand? You need to be more creative :twisted:

[TheChosen]

Thanks for the tips!

Im going to have a wrestling "match" against my friend in school next week.

Are there any moves that "stun" the opponent, but not harm them seriously?

[plague]

Originally posted by Havell+Dec 11 2005, 03:32 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Havell @ Dec 11 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-plague@Dec 11 2005, 12:16 PM
4. When you enemy starts to feel pity and come to help you, crab his (or hers ofcourse ^_^ ) hand and pull him/her to the ground.
Grab his hand? You need to be more creative :twisted: [/b][/quote]
There isn't very much time to be creative since you must be fast or the foe has enough time to react.

Are there any moves that "stun" the opponent, but not harm them seriously?

You could do some kind of a lock to keep him against ground. But I'm not too good with those.

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by plague@Dec 11 2005, 03:15 PM
Are there any moves that "stun" the opponent, but not harm them seriously?

You could do some kind of a lock to keep him against ground. But I'm not too good with those.
Well, i do have a grapple attack: I grab the opponents leg (like a snake) and then il try to trip him. When he's on the ground il twist his angle until he taps out! :evil:

[Havell]

Originally posted by plague+Dec 11 2005, 03:15 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (plague @ Dec 11 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Havell@Dec 11 2005, 03:32 PM
******QuoteBegin-plague@Dec 11 2005, 12:16 PM
4. When you enemy starts to feel pity and come to help you, crab his (or hers ofcourse ^_^ ) hand and pull him/her to the ground.
Grab his hand? You need to be more creative :twisted:
There isn't very much time to be creative since you must be fast or the foe has enough time to react. [/b][/quote]
I was thinking of grabbing and crushing his balls instead of his hands (nb, doesn't work on female opponents).

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by Havell+Dec 11 2005, 03:27 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Havell @ Dec 11 2005, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by plague@Dec 11 2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Havell@Dec 11 2005, 03:32 PM
******QuoteBegin-plague@Dec 11 2005, 12:16 PM
4. When you enemy starts to feel pity and come to help you, crab his (or hers ofcourse ^_^ ) hand and pull him/her to the ground.
Grab his hand? You need to be more creative :twisted:
There isn't very much time to be creative since you must be fast or the foe has enough time to react.
I was thinking of grabbing and crushing his balls instead of his hands (nb, doesn't work on female opponents). [/b][/quote]
Who knows? Maybe if you grab "there" in the right way, it could pacify the opponent. :bleh:

[blastradius14]

Not sure about that man. There are some guys that will keep going....

Get a heavy burlap punching bag and fill it with and at the bottom, clothes in the middle (Pack em down hard) and more sand at the top. Try to get it to where you can kick the middle and punch where you like. Don't just swing either. Punch directly in front of you, first with your fist far back with the clenched palm facing your shoulder, and twist it halfway there so that the knuckles contact it straight. The clothes will feel like if you kicked them in the stomach, and the sand will feel like you punched them in the skull. The sand does not hurt my hands, but I can tell you now, its gonna hurt yours. Once it doesnt hurt anymore go crack some skulls with your fists :evil:

Yeah, I have fought the stupid people who thought that mk was gonna teach them how to fight. The guy wound up falling on his behind trying to trip me, and it was like wailing on a child. Only children are dumb enough to think that would work.

[blastradius14]

Erk! Rotten double post! Lets kill it and make it something useful:

Don't be afraid to use your elboes and knees. Try to work out something on the punching bag that would be quick, not neccessarily fast, but quick can always be devastating. Unless they happen to have a cup a groin kick is always effective. This slows them down for your true assault, which since you have already done something cheap, can be as cheap as you like :bleh:

Do not blindly swing, and do not try to suckerpunch them as your first move. Always debilitate before annihiliate :evil:

[omg]

get a gun. then it wont matter that you cant fight.

[Himmler]

:crazy: get drunk and try to hit the attacker...if you get beaten you won't feel a thing...untill you wake up

[Evad]

good site to read:

http://www.jkalangpark.com/intro/nijukun.htm

These are the 20 dojo kun of Funakoshi sensei , or his precepts. He believed that karate without philosophy was empty.

[gregor]

I don't know if this was mentioned already, but... Put your palm on his face wrapping it arround his cheek. That should get your thump near his eye. Then press as much as possible untill his eye pops. :evil:

Next one would be quick punch in the neck. If you can hit it right he will start loosing air and choking. once in that situation he is all yours. just kick and smack the soft body parts (groing, stomach, crouch, kiddney).

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Not sure about that man. There are some guys that will keep going....

With all the adrenaline that fighting produces many don't notice pain until the fight is over and the adrenaline has been drained.

[plague]

Mr Havell and Mr TheChosen, I wouldn't recommend to do so... Unless you want to hear gay jokes next few months. Personally I'd just fight rather than crabbing anyones balls (including my own). And if it's possible, stay out of the fighting.

[Kearnsy]

Some of you guys have some pretty grusome ideas!!
Even if I hated the guy I wouldn't want to make him blind or pernanently castrate him!

The best plan so far in my opinion is the one about a jab to the nose (cant remember who posted it, sorry).
That really does work, it seems to trigger something in the brain that makes you think you've been hit harder than you have and then *thump* hes on his behind before you know it!

[Iron_Scarecrow]

But if you hit him at the right angle (slightly upwards I believe) you can kill him, pushing the cartilage of the nose back into the brain.

[plague]

That's just an urban legend. You can cause pain and a broken nose with that way (and perhaps knoch him/her out), but nothing more. Unless you are strong enough to break the whole skull.

[omg]

hey man if bruce willis can do it while smoking a marlboro then its REAL. movies never lie ...

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by plague@Dec 12 2005, 02:44 PM
Unless you are strong enough to break the whole skull.
You have just to break the cartilage wich could cause a dangerouse haemorrhage, even if it not reach the brain (which should be possible if Bruce made that, of course!)

[omg]

and then there is the fact that you look at a skull and there is like a hole going through where the nose is. i thought it was possible to drive the cartilige into the brain as there is no bone in the way. and of course bruce willis did it in last boy scout so its REAL...

[Evad]

http://ks.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm



On ending a fight with a nose shot, with adrenaline the pain is absolutely managable. I have seen fights where a jujitsu guy took a good shot in the face and still managed to get a hold of the guy and take him down and submit him. The real benifite to this target in my humble opinion is that it causes the eyes to water, which takes out his sight. I'm confident that if I was hit in the nose but could still grab the guy I could still fight him. When I am grappling I rarely look at the guy, and go mostly off of feel, so apart from the pain, my skills would still be there, and I'd probably be really :evil:

Against a trained fighter, a boxer for instance, who's probably been hit in the nose so many times that the cartilege is shattered and all the nerves are dead, you would have to capitalise on this shot and finnish it. I'm by no means saying it is a bad target, just that unless you follow it up and finish the guy, it's still on.

Also, a trained fighter will protect their center line and a quick shot to the face/nose is such a predictable target. Lots of people know the classic one-two combination(just a jab followed by a cross). The beauty of this combination is multiplied when you also vary the target regions. An example would be jab to nose, and follow with reverse cross to the solar plexus. Expect both to count, but if the first one doesn't, then make the second on count as his hands probably went up to protect his face. If the first one to the nose did in fact hit, then he is in trouble, and probably expects another shot to the face. This will leave his abdomen, and his soft open belly open for a nice sock in the solar plexus, which will definitely disrupt him. The solar plexus, unlike the nose, is a nerve nexus in your lower abdomen, and disrupts your breathing. Anyone who has ever had the wind knocked out of them knows what I am talking about. To find it take your fingers and press them into your upper abs just under the ribs. Try and relax and press your finger in and a little up. I have been hit here, when I was in peak condition and doing 200 sit ups a day 5 days a week and it bent me over.
Too many people are head hunters. :evil:

There are three main targets when dealing with any confrontation, Mobility, Artillery, and Reconnasence. Sure there are others but they all depend on these assets. With man vs man these represent eyes, legs and arms. When dealing with a bigger guy, your main advantage(although not necessarily) is agility. If you can not break the conflict with it, strengthen it buy taking out his mobility.A low Thai round kick to the leg has been proven to be esspecially effective in this regard.

lastly, in my experience, if you land a good shot anywhere, expect him to hit you back in the exact same spot. I don't know why, I've even caught myself doing it, but it is human nature to hurt back in the same manner that hurt you. If you do get hit somewhere, and you both know it hurt, then a sure fire tactic is to feint(pretent to hit) back in the very same spot, and when he goes to defend it go for his opening.

[Bp103]

I use my elbows. Its the hardest part of the body

[omg]

i use my mouth. it has gotten me out of a lot of fights.

[Evad]

Elbos(and knees) are great, the only thing is that they are close range weapons, which are in grappling and trapping range. If you are significantly smaller then your opponents this is not a viable option. Better is to stay away and chip away. At first at least.
Mouths can work as well, but your mouth is much more convincing when you are confident that you have the tools necessary to defend yourself. There is a time when a person may be forced to put their money where their mouth is. This is kinda why people may see the martial arts as a contradiction; as it teaches how to fight but preaches non-violence(at least most of them do ;) ) The reasoning is that after a few years of practice you don't have to prove anything anymore, but, you know deep down inside that if push comes to shove you can handle yourself. If everyone took up the martial arts we would have much less (malicious) fighting I suspect.

[omg]

i train and that, but i prefer non violence.

[Bp103]

I was going to edit my post to include knees....never mind

I don't like fighting but I kick @ss when they get me mad. It takes a few min.s to do it thow and you have to be a major dick to me.

Oh yeah Throw rocks "They hurt"
*Little pebbles hurt the worse*

[blastradius14]

Originally posted by Evad@Dec 12 2005, 08:41 PM
http://ks.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm



On ending a fight with a nose shot, with adrenaline the pain is absolutely managable. I have seen fights where a jujitsu guy took a good shot in the face and still managed to get a hold of the guy and take him down and submit him. The real benifite to this target in my humble opinion is that it causes the eyes to water, which takes out his sight. I'm confident that if I was hit in the nose but could still grab the guy I could still fight him. When I am grappling I rarely look at the guy, and go mostly off of feel, so apart from the pain, my skills would still be there, and I'd probably be really :evil:

Against a trained fighter, a boxer for instance, who's probably been hit in the nose so many times that the cartilege is shattered and all the nerves are dead, you would have to capitalise on this shot and finnish it. I'm by no means saying it is a bad target, just that unless you follow it up and finish the guy, it's still on.

Also, a trained fighter will protect their center line and a quick shot to the face/nose is such a predictable target. Lots of people know the classic one-two combination(just a jab followed by a cross). The beauty of this combination is multiplied when you also vary the target regions. An example would be jab to nose, and follow with reverse cross to the solar plexus. Expect both to count, but if the first one doesn't, then make the second on count as his hands probably went up to protect his face. If the first one to the nose did in fact hit, then he is in trouble, and probably expects another shot to the face. This will leave his abdomen, and his soft open belly open for a nice sock in the solar plexus, which will definitely disrupt him. The solar plexus, unlike the nose, is a nerve nexus in your lower abdomen, and disrupts your breathing. Anyone who has ever had the wind knocked out of them knows what I am talking about. To find it take your fingers and press them into your upper abs just under the ribs. Try and relax and press your finger in and a little up. I have been hit here, when I was in peak condition and doing 200 sit ups a day 5 days a week and it bent me over.
Too many people are head hunters. :evil:

There are three main targets when dealing with any confrontation, Mobility, Artillery, and Reconnasence. Sure there are others but they all depend on these assets. With man vs man these represent eyes, legs and arms. When dealing with a bigger guy, your main advantage(although not necessarily) is agility. If you can not break the conflict with it, strengthen it buy taking out his mobility.A low Thai round kick to the leg has been proven to be esspecially effective in this regard.

lastly, in my experience, if you land a good shot anywhere, expect him to hit you back in the exact same spot. I don't know why, I've even caught myself doing it, but it is human nature to hurt back in the same manner that hurt you. If you do get hit somewhere, and you both know it hurt, then a sure fire tactic is to feint(pretent to hit) back in the very same spot, and when he goes to defend it go for his opening.
Eyes watering will also make the blood run more for a while, as salt is not known as an anti-coagulent. Also, It IS possible to kill someone with thier nose cartilage, but you would have to jam thier nose into the skull. You would need enough force to break the nose, and the cartilage connecting it to the skull rim.. thus allowing the cartilage to force backwards and into the center front of the brain. This causes severe bleeding and possible loss of control in the bowels. However, not sight. Sight is in the back of the brain...

The over all damage would also cause a surge of spinal fluid, which in the brain can make them feel like they are either drowning to death or in a very dark, damp room.

Problem with seasoned fighters. Don't gut punch them. They can tighten that so much kicks don't hurt much at all. Better of clobbering thier skull and rattling thier brains LOL

Kidney shots will always hurt though. If you can kick quickly, catch them off guard and hit em there.