To Xbox360 Or Not?

[efthimios]

Well guys/gals, shall I get one or not? I seriously cannot decide! If I do, I will use a PC monitor for it (somehow) and not a 70" TV.

[Blood-Pigggy]

I suggest you get it.
Not for "ooh, graphics" but instead for all the cool games that were already announced, besides, you're going to get all that without worrying about updating your PC, I pre-ordered one, and I'm hoping to play lots with it.

P.S. You realize by starting this thread there will be several people who will just tell you not to buy it because they said "It'll be behind" in a couple of years, or they just don't like consoles.

[Partizanka]

I really like consoles, but I havn't seen any solid arguments on why the 360 (Or really, any of the next generation consoles) is going to be worth 400 dollars. The backwards compatabilty is crippling, requiring both a Hard Drive and a Live account and not even including older games. I also havn't seen any games worth the price yet except maybe Kameo, but its not worth the purchase of a 360. Certainly nothing at Launch.

If you like good games and NEED a console, get a PS2. Its got the most games that are not available on the PC that are good. Although I've been considering a DS for all my away from home Tactical gaming needs (The new Battles of Prince of Persia game looks particularly nice)

[A. J. Raffles]

Call me ignorant, but what exactly is an Xbox 360?:huh: I mean, what does it do as opposed to other consoles?

[Stebbi]

The answer i s easy .....YES oblivon is coming on xbox360 so yeah xbox360 man

[Partizanka]

Its also coming to PC and on PC it will have all the things that made Morrowind playable.

Mods.

You won't see anywhere near the quality or quantity of mods on the Xbox as you will on PC, if any at all.

[Quintopotere]

I dislike all the consoles, so I suggest you to save money and use you spare time in a better way! :tomato: :whistle: :D

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by Partizanka@Nov 18 2005, 04:25 PM
Its also coming to PC and on PC it will have all the things that made Morrowind playable.

Mods.

You won't see anywhere near the quality or quantity of mods on the Xbox as you will on PC, if any at all.
I agree with this.

Consoles come and go, but people play with PC forever.

And thanks to people like us, old pc games arent forgotten.

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by A. J. Raffles@Nov 18 2005, 09:41 AM
Call me ignorant, but what exactly is an Xbox 360?:huh:
It's like a regular Xbox...but it's round.

[DeathDude]

The launch is looking pretty good for X-Box 360 some good games coming out, preorders are loading up I've heard and it will definitely be one of the hottest gifts this Christmas, am I going to get it though, nope :bleh: saving up for revolution and ps3 which will crush the X-Box 360 I hope. :angel:

[Frodo]

Originally posted by A. J. Raffles@Nov 18 2005, 03:41 PM
Call me ignorant, but what exactly is an Xbox 360?:huh: I mean, what does it do as opposed to other consoles?
You're not the only one who thinks this. What makes this one more special than any other console.



Who remembers when the Dreamcast came out? That was suppossed to be the best thing ever. Much more powerful than anything else. Best graphics, best games etc etc. Where is it now? :bleh:

[Danny252]

I've heard the 360 isn't much better on the graphics side compared to the PS2 or original Xbox.

Xboxes dont really allows for game mods, or compatibility with anything but Xbox games...

Plus Xbox's dont let you check email, use msn or download porn. Thats why I luffs my pc.

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by Frodo@Nov 18 2005, 05:51 PM
Who remembers when the Dreamcast came out? That was suppossed to be the best thing ever. Much more powerful than anything else. Best graphics, best games etc etc. Where is it now? :bleh:
I dont know, but i liked dreamcast. All those nice games like Shenmue, Crazy Taxi and (my favourite) Toy Commander.

[Stebbi]

Computer's get out dated much faster than consoles...

[DeathDude]

Give it time this next generation i feel the ability to do all the things Danny mentioned will be available to do. Uh explain how pc's get dated when a console stays pretty much the same for 5 years :whistle: Somehow the ability to upgrade a console hasn't been used yet.

[Havell]

I think the XBox360 wil be the big loser in the next-gen console battle. Before, it had the selling point of being the most powerful console (now it's not, the PS3 is more powerful).
The Nintendo Revolution is the only console that's actually making any new innovation, the controller looks like it could be good and the access to old games sound great. In fact, Nintendo is the only company of the big three making any innovaive effort whatsoever.
The Golden Joystick Awards lost their last scrap of credibiity, in my opinion, when the PSP won the award for innovation (it was just that, a portable Playstation, nothing's changed at all since the PS1).

[win98]

Playstation is cooler and better than X-Box

[Danny252]

Originally posted by Stebbi@Nov 18 2005, 06:09 PM
Computer's get out dated much faster than consoles...
Ah, but you can upgrade pc's. I'd like to see YOU upgrade a PS1 to PS3 standards.

[troop18546]

Why bother? Although, there is a very important point Stebbi stated. I won't change to consoles (although I had console earlier than PC).

[Danny252]

Another thing: Consoles dont have enough buttons. Me and 3 of my friends went on one of my friends Xbox, it took us a good half our just to set up our characters for it. Ugh.. an a-z key layout, no individual keys for any of the letters, takes forever to set up the game... And then its so hard to look and aim! And it never explains what the buttons do...
And those random comples moves...
'Press XYBAXXXBAAAYXXBAX to complete the basic punch maneuver'

[DeathDude]

Still there are better games that translate better on console and likewise on the pc, fighting games for example are horrible on the pc while much better on the console, same with wrestling games, which is still fighting, same with sports games, you ever play madden with keyboard or nhl? Good luck, same with like rts games on pc do better than on console side, although with revolution it may change. :bleh:

[Havell]

Originally posted by DeathDude@Nov 18 2005, 08:48 PM
Still there are better games that translate better on console and likewise on the pc, fighting games for example are horrible on the pc while much better on the console, same with wrestling games, which is still fighting, same with sports games, you ever play madden with keyboard or nhl? Good luck, same with like rts games on pc do better than on console side, although with revolution it may change. :bleh:
It's quite simple to deal with that problem. Gamepads are inexpensive and you can get them with the same layouts as console controllers and many others.

[Danny252]

Why would I want to do RTS on a console where you have to play tons to go online? I like pcs best. Much more multi-tasking possibilities.

[Blood-Pigggy]

There seems to be ALOT of bias in this thread.
Instead of just saying what's equivelant to "it's going to suck" or "I don't like it, so don't buy it" maybe you should give him some valid reasons.

The only reason not to buy this is because of the price, quite expensive.
And who said it was going to be the loser? So far it has a nearly record breaking amount of pre-orders, meaning this system is going to have a fantastic kick-start, and all the launch titles are great, Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo, Call Of Duty 2, Gun, and a crap-load of other stuff.

Along with that, just look at a in-game video of one of the various games (check out Gamespot) and tell me you do not want this system.
Call Of Duty 2 actually runs smoother than it does on a high-end PC system, so that's enough reason to check it out, forget updating your computer, that'd be more expensive than anything out there.
The Xbox will most likely keep you from having to bother with any need for good-looking visuals, not only that, but Oblivion is coming out for the system too, and it'll be easier to play it on the system than on the PC, as said before, updating sucks.

The negatives are a few, it's hard to judge which system you should buy now, because none of the others have been released, nor have there been any hands on experiences (except for the Revolution) so I suggest you play it safe and wait to find out which system beats out all the others.

[Stebbi]

Originally posted by win98@Nov 18 2005, 07:14 PM
Playstation is cooler and better than X-Box
coming from the man whose nick is win98 LOL

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally posted by Stebbi+Nov 18 2005, 04:00 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stebbi @ Nov 18 2005, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-win98@Nov 18 2005, 07:14 PM
Playstation is cooler and better than X-Box
coming from the man whose nick is win98 LOL [/b][/quote]
Why is it cooler and better?
Hey, it's also kinda pointless to buy a older console, yes it is cheaper, but those consoles are at the end of their life, so it'd be useless to get one now, when the game income slows down.

[Stebbi]

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Nov 18 2005, 09:03 PM
Hey, it's also kinda pointless to buy a older console, yes it is cheaper, but those consoles are at the end of their life, so it'd be useless to get one now, when the game income slows down.
okay...... :max:

[moogle]

Stick with PC, Xbox is overated, the only really good Xbox exclusive game they have is Halo.

And with PC you wan't have to always pay to play online also, a huge bonus.

I'd rather pay 500 dollars and get a top of the line Nvidia graphics card then pay 500 dollars annd get some stupid Xbox, especially if I'm going to be hooking it up to my computer monitor anyways.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally posted by moogle@Nov 18 2005, 06:50 PM
Stick with PC, Xbox is overated, the only really good Xbox exclusive game they have is Halo.
So that leaves out Ninja Gaiden Black?
How about Far Cry Instincts?
I guess that means the original Ninja Gaiden sucks too.
Maybe even Escape From Butcher Bay!
I guess MechAssualt falls into that category too.
Oh, don't forget Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
Dead Or Alive Ultimate too!
Wow, Deathrow too!
Ooh, remember Genma Onimusha is crap too!
I didn't know Oddworld : Stranger's Wrath sucked!
Or even Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders!
Throw Jade Empire in there too please.

I don't see what you mean Moogle.

[DeathDude]

Well apparently on nintendo revolution it will be free to play games online using their service so I've heard and downloads for old games will cost somewhere around 3-5 bucks I think per game, I think Nintendo has the most to gain and is generating a lot of hype with the system, getting a lot of praise from developers.

And paying 500 for a video card? Whoa I mean honestly getting a top of the line video card now a days is just pointless as like 5 months down the road the developers have come up with something much better.

[moogle]

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy+Nov 19 2005, 12:19 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blood-Pigggy @ Nov 19 2005, 12:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-moogle@Nov 18 2005, 06:50 PM
Stick with PC, Xbox is overated, the only really good Xbox exclusive game they have is Halo.
So that leaves out Ninja Gaiden Black?
How about Far Cry Instincts?
I guess that means the original Ninja Gaiden sucks too.
Maybe even Escape From Butcher Bay!
I guess MechAssualt falls into that category too.
Oh, don't forget Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
Dead Or Alive Ultimate too!
Wow, Deathrow too!
Ooh, remember Genma Onimusha is crap too!
I didn't know Oddworld : Stranger's Wrath sucked!
Or even Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders!
Throw Jade Empire in there too please.

I don't see what you mean Moogle. [/b][/quote]
Ninja Gaiden Black: Repetitive hack and slash, PC has tons upon tons if thats your idea of a good game.
Far Cry: Instincts: Have you forgotten its originallynfor PC, not hardly exclusive, and on PC it has way better graphics, AI, and free online multiplay
Escape from Butcher Bay: Also for PC, with more content, and better graphics yet again!
Mech Assault:....ew
Crimsion Skys: Oh yay another flight sim!! Pc has tons of em too! ewth yet again, better graphics, and, zounds! Sometimes even free online multiplay!
Dead or Alive: Are you seriously suggesting this? Everybody knows that the main reason you buy the game is because of the half naked....players....hardly a good title if you ask me.
WTF is deathrow?
Ominusha: Yay hack and slash!! Yet another, I'm starting to see a pattern here!
Hmmm, Oddworld, I must admit that was interesting, however I strongly dislike shooters on counsels in general because of game pads, mouses are by far superior.
Kingdom Under Fire/Jade Empire: Yay RPGs!!!! PC has tons!!! MIght and Magic Dark Messiah anyone? Or if you want something a little faster oaced how about a hot cup of Deungeon Seige? How bout a nice MMORPG too? We've got City of Heroes, World of Warcraft, FF11, Guild Wars, and Everquest 1 and 2!!


...I see what I mean...

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by moogle@Nov 19 2005, 06:14 AM
Kingdom Under Fire/Jade Empire: Yay RPGs!!!! PC has tons!!! MIght and Magic Dark Messiah anyone? Or if you want something a little faster oaced how about a hot cup of Deungeon Seige? How bout a nice MMORPG too? We've got City of Heroes, World of Warcraft, FF11, Guild Wars, and Everquest 1 and 2!!

Amen!

EDIT: And dont forget the classic: Ultima Online.

[Sean]

360 Should be good.

Get one.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally posted by moogle+Nov 19 2005, 01:14 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moogle @ Nov 19 2005, 01:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Nov 19 2005, 12:19 AM
******QuoteBegin-moogle@Nov 18 2005, 06:50 PM
Stick with PC, Xbox is overated, the only really good Xbox exclusive game they have is Halo.
So that leaves out Ninja Gaiden Black?
How about Far Cry Instincts?
I guess that means the original Ninja Gaiden sucks too.
Maybe even Escape From Butcher Bay!
I guess MechAssualt falls into that category too.
Oh, don't forget Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
Dead Or Alive Ultimate too!
Wow, Deathrow too!
Ooh, remember Genma Onimusha is crap too!
I didn't know Oddworld : Stranger's Wrath sucked!
Or even Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders!
Throw Jade Empire in there too please.

I don't see what you mean Moogle.
Ninja Gaiden Black: Repetitive hack and slash, PC has tons upon tons if thats your idea of a good game.
Far Cry: Instincts: Have you forgotten its originallynfor PC, not hardly exclusive, and on PC it has way better graphics, AI, and free online multiplay
Escape from Butcher Bay: Also for PC, with more content, and better graphics yet again!
Mech Assault:....ew
Crimsion Skys: Oh yay another flight sim!! Pc has tons of em too! ewth yet again, better graphics, and, zounds! Sometimes even free online multiplay!
Dead or Alive: Are you seriously suggesting this? Everybody knows that the main reason you buy the game is because of the half naked....players....hardly a good title if you ask me.
WTF is deathrow?
Ominusha: Yay hack and slash!! Yet another, I'm starting to see a pattern here!
Hmmm, Oddworld, I must admit that was interesting, however I strongly dislike shooters on counsels in general because of game pads, mouses are by far superior.
Kingdom Under Fire/Jade Empire: Yay RPGs!!!! PC has tons!!! MIght and Magic Dark Messiah anyone? Or if you want something a little faster oaced how about a hot cup of Deungeon Seige? How bout a nice MMORPG too? We've got City of Heroes, World of Warcraft, FF11, Guild Wars, and Everquest 1 and 2!!


...I see what I mean... [/b][/quote]
The funny thing is, you NEVER played any of those games Moogle.

So don't you start pulling off judgements, another thing, those are fantastic games, every single one of them, so your arguments come in useless.
There will always be exclusives you want to play, and in that case you should have the console just in case.

Reason to buy 360 - Condemned, made by Monolith creator of "F.E.A.R" which was an extroadinary game.
In another argument, why did you post this on the Abandonia forum of all places? This is filled with the older people who've been around for years, and consider older gaming the holy grail on the PC, so they think the console is the devil (some of them anyway), not only that, but there are PC fanatics in here, meaning, lots of bias.

Oh, free multiplay has flaws.
I haven't played one X-Box live game that lagged or chugged, only if the game had a crappy frame rate in the first place. It also never has connection problems, or server waiting.
X-Box Live is cheap too, just about 50 bucks a year or so, I suggest you get the 360, the multiplayer seems awesome, although I'm not sure they announced any Live games yet.

P.S. - Dungeon Siege is a hideously repetitive dungeon tromp, so that doesn't bring up a good point behind repetition.

Hey guys, you should stafoo now maybe, don't want this to turn into another flamewar (by saying this, I already know someone is going to reply to this post and say "Nuh uh, you are WRONG".)

[Alf Hari]

For my money, I'd rather go with the PS3. I've got a PSX and PS2, so brand loyalty has something to do with it. I'm not sure if Microsoft has Halo 3 in the works, but I reckon the new Killzone title for the PS3 will seriosly compete with it.

Considering that the original Killzone is awesome, and there are rumours of another one on the PS2 before the jump to PS3, they should be able to step it up to make a really good game. I don't have online play for my PS2, but I heard that it was free compared to the X-Box Live. If they make PS3 online play free, and good, it will give another reason for buying that console.

As for PC games, I'll still play them. However, it can be costly to upgrade a whole computer as compared to buying a new console every five years. With a console, you get a set of games that you know will work perfectly on your hardware, and the games companies can spend lots of time optimising their code for the platform because they are all the same, creating a better game.

However, a PC is good for some games, and consoles for others. Crimson Skies is a good example of designing different games for different platforms. A while after the original Crimson Skies came out on PC, I bought it and played it to death. I think it is one of the most easily playable games on PC I've seen. This is because I have an old two-axis two-button joystick to play it with, and a whole set of keyboard buttons for throttle controls and weapons selections. This meant I could keep playing the game until I got really good at the complicated style to it.

When the Crimson Skies game was released on the X-Box, I played it and thought it was good, even though the game was completely changed. Practically, it was a different game. I still liked it though, but for different reasons. The gameplay was 'dumbed down' to make it more arcade, and to suit the X-Box controller, so the game ended up being a more action-packed console title. Anyway, since it was limited to a few buttons and two tiny joysticks, it played with more button-mashing and was the sort of game you could play with other people. The PC version was better single-player and had more in-depth controls like a flight-sim.

So it all depends on what sort of gameplay you prefer - there's nothing against having both a console and a PC (you probably need to have spare money to throw away though).

[Blood-Pigggy]

I remember that the press thought Killzone wasn't that great.
I mean, I liked it, but they gave it average scores, likes 7 or 7.5.
It didn't sell that well either, that I heard of, so I'm not sure that it could possibly even compete with Halo.

But we all know that Halo has a massive following of rabid and insane fans.
I'm looking forward to some new and original shooters on the PS3.
There is a good reason to ignore the 360, and that's Resident Evil 5 on the PS3. :Brain:

[Alf Hari]

I never got into the Resident Evil games, but I'm not surprised that they've made that many. :P

As for Killzone, it's my favourite PS2 game. The gameplay is awesome in the first mission and gets a bit worse from then on, but you can tell they pushed the PS2 to the limit for visuals and details like guns, sounds and effects. If you've seen the trailer for Killzone on the PS3, you'll know why it makes the original gameplay look weak and predictable. The original could've done with some more enemies and allies on screen at once, but I believe that this limitation was due to hardware, and by the looks of the trailer, the PS3 version will have more people and vehicles in missions.

[efthimios]

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy+Nov 19 2005, 03:55 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blood-Pigggy @ Nov 19 2005, 03:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by moogle@Nov 19 2005, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Nov 19 2005, 12:19 AM
******QuoteBegin-moogle@Nov 18 2005, 06:50 PM
Stick with PC, Xbox is overated, the only really good Xbox exclusive game they have is Halo.
So that leaves out Ninja Gaiden Black?
How about Far Cry Instincts?
I guess that means the original Ninja Gaiden sucks too.
Maybe even Escape From Butcher Bay!
I guess MechAssualt falls into that category too.
Oh, don't forget Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.
Dead Or Alive Ultimate too!
Wow, Deathrow too!
Ooh, remember Genma Onimusha is crap too!
I didn't know Oddworld : Stranger's Wrath sucked!
Or even Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders!
Throw Jade Empire in there too please.

I don't see what you mean Moogle.
Ninja Gaiden Black: Repetitive hack and slash, PC has tons upon tons if thats your idea of a good game.
Far Cry: Instincts: Have you forgotten its originallynfor PC, not hardly exclusive, and on PC it has way better graphics, AI, and free online multiplay
Escape from Butcher Bay: Also for PC, with more content, and better graphics yet again!
Mech Assault:....ew
Crimsion Skys: Oh yay another flight sim!! Pc has tons of em too! ewth yet again, better graphics, and, zounds! Sometimes even free online multiplay!
Dead or Alive: Are you seriously suggesting this? Everybody knows that the main reason you buy the game is because of the half naked....players....hardly a good title if you ask me.
WTF is deathrow?
Ominusha: Yay hack and slash!! Yet another, I'm starting to see a pattern here!
Hmmm, Oddworld, I must admit that was interesting, however I strongly dislike shooters on counsels in general because of game pads, mouses are by far superior.
Kingdom Under Fire/Jade Empire: Yay RPGs!!!! PC has tons!!! MIght and Magic Dark Messiah anyone? Or if you want something a little faster oaced how about a hot cup of Deungeon Seige? How bout a nice MMORPG too? We've got City of Heroes, World of Warcraft, FF11, Guild Wars, and Everquest 1 and 2!!


...I see what I mean...
The funny thing is, you NEVER played any of those games Moogle.

So don't you start pulling off judgements, another thing, those are fantastic games, every single one of them, so your arguments come in useless.
There will always be exclusives you want to play, and in that case you should have the console just in case.

Reason to buy 360 - Condemned, made by Monolith creator of "F.E.A.R" which was an extroadinary game.
In another argument, why did you post this on the Abandonia forum of all places? This is filled with the older people who've been around for years, and consider older gaming the holy grail on the PC, so they think the console is the devil (some of them anyway), not only that, but there are PC fanatics in here, meaning, lots of bias.

Oh, free multiplay has flaws.
I haven't played one X-Box live game that lagged or chugged, only if the game had a crappy frame rate in the first place. It also never has connection problems, or server waiting.
X-Box Live is cheap too, just about 50 bucks a year or so, I suggest you get the 360, the multiplayer seems awesome, although I'm not sure they announced any Live games yet.

P.S. - Dungeon Siege is a hideously repetitive dungeon tromp, so that doesn't bring up a good point behind repetition.

Hey guys, you should stafoo now maybe, don't want this to turn into another flamewar (by saying this, I already know someone is going to reply to this post and say "Nuh uh, you are WRONG".) [/b][/quote]
First of all thank you to all for your suggestions so far, including you.

Now, you ask why I even asked this question in this forum. Well, because though there are some older than 15y olds here, they also tend to have far greater experience with gaming, including non pc gaming than the much younger among us, including perhaps even you.
I am not going to ask this in a forum that is solely populated by young teenagers or gaming console fans. I already know their replies. Getting answers from a mixed, to a heavier dosage of "older" gamers is what I want in the first place, not only for the reasons mentioned but also because I am one of those older gamers in the first place.

Now, please chill out, you can give some valuable info on the subject, and I appreciate it, but that includes not getting offended by people who say that they think the Xbox sucks, perhaps just because they want to say that it sucks.

I am not going to choose to get one just from the number of people or how loud they are, but by good arguments too. I am also a bit more clever than idiot so I do not get confused or mislead so easily, I read very carefuly all the answers/replies given here.

Everyone please continue if you like this conversation about to Xbox or not.

I also want to add some info about my gaming habits. I play mostly strategy games, rpg, racing, FPS, some general action games, and the occassional (now days) sim. I am not thinking that the Xbox 360 will be the best platform for strategy games (80% of my gaming time), but for the rest it might be.

[Partizanka]

The Xbox wasn't so great for role playing games, and I doubt this trend will change on the 360 (And looking at the upcoming games, one sees hardly anything on the horizen to change this opinion.)

I have no particular loyalty to any of the consoles, as I already own the "Big Three" and have enjoyed them each, although I do find the extended library for the Playstation games to be far superior to most things on the Xbox.

Really, for the genres you named, I don't see the 360 coming in superior right now, especially since there is nothing to compare it to with the PS3 and the Revolution so far away. If you really wanted to get one of the next generation consoles, I'd wait until at least the PS3 comes out, by then the 360 SHOULD have a larger selection of games, and you can make a more informed decision.

Because of my job, I've been able to spend a great deal of time with a 360 lately. Really, most of the games look good, but they can look just as good on a computer usually (Madden 2006 being the only major exception I've seen). I can understand people who don't want to buy a gaming PC, (Although I disagree) and in that regards, the 360 right now is on par with PCs. The games though, just not that great. My favorites are Kameo and King Kong, which I would rate as fun, but not particularly awe inspiring for the latest and greatest games. Call of Duty 2 I've already had the ability to play on my computer for quite some time now, so thats fairly pointless, and the rest just don't interest me except Condemned, which is surprisingly underwhelming, despite its good hand to hand combat (Better even then the Riddick game)

Its basicly the lack of variety that I find most troublsome though. The other day someone asked me "What is a good Role playing game for the Xbox" to which I replied "Good Luck". This was a slightly sarcastic remark (Morrowind, Arx Fatalis and Fable are all role playing games, although they are all available on the PC in a superior form) but it shows the trouble with the Microsoft consoles. The American system just does not offer the variety in games and genres that other systems do.

So in conclusion, I would say at the very least, hang on until the competition is here, so you can make a more informed conclusion. Look careful at the libraries of each system to determine which you would rather get, and don't forget the older consoles, which are now substationally cheaper (Especially used or refurbished) and have larger libraries by virtue of being around longer.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

The only real reason i see that consoles have going for them is fighting games. Anyways i have hated consoles since they put medal of honor on them for the PS1 i mean wtf this is terriable. You can play far more superiorly with a mouse and keyboard. The enemy is just dummed down so you can beat them and now a new trend to make FPS on consoles easier is you regenerate and in some ur bullets home in or autoaim.
I dont possialbe see whats the big deal with them. The only reason i enjoy my PS2 is platformers like rachet and clank series and devil may cry 1 and 3 (you know why i left out 2)
PC's do not OUT date faster then consoles. Not every new game for the pc will be graphic demanding and the graphics dont really effect the gameplay but it matters how much fun you have playing it. Also look at the all the old games you got for the pc you can play. Pc's also have RTS's have you ever played a ''good'' rts on a console i know they tryed adding a command and conquer but i cant really imagine how that would work on a controller :blink:

EDIT 2 eh im 15 and i hate consoles

[Danny252]

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Nov 19 2005, 02:55 PM
In another argument, why did you post this on the Abandonia forum of all places? This is filled with the older people who've been around for years, and consider older gaming the holy grail on the PC, so they think the console is the devil (some of them anyway), not only that, but there are PC fanatics in here, meaning, lots of bias.
Who says the pc-maniacs have to be old? Im 13 and think consoles are weapons of the devil.
As is my dog's squeaky toy, but that is an entirely different matter.

Why wont she just shut up...

[moogle]

Ya go Danny!! I'm 14 and I agree, counsels atr the devil, except FF ;)
And how do you know I haven't played any of thoose games Piggy? o_0
And ya I agree with Shrunk also, basically the only reason I bought a GC (huge mistake) was for Soul Caliber 2 and SSBM

[DeathDude]

Soul Calibur 2 and SSB were wicked games, you'll never see those on a pc. :bleh: Although still a little ticked Sony got the exclusive rights to Soul Calibur 3 for the ps2 <_< couldn't they just have released it for all 3 systems this generation or next generation and make much more money imo. In terms of revenue though consoles easily outwin against the pc have to say, personally I have both likes for the pc and likes for the console side. :angel:

[JimmyJ]

NIntendo revolution is gonna kick arse, we'll be able to play Seiken Densetsu 3 on console! (only on snes emus' before due to it being japanese, so no one but Japanese own real cartredge). Also, the weird controller is gonna be interesting, plus, the system's cost is going to be planned to be lower that teh 360 and PS3 :) But ill defenantly get a ps3 LATER, but NO 360 for me, i despise X-Box stuff..

[efthimios]

Has anyone even seen the wireless controller of CD-I ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Philips_CD-i.jpg

:D

[Blood-Pigggy]

That was a horrid.. console... thing... whatever it was.

@Moogle: And buying a GameCube is not a "big mistake" it's just you being too assinine and short sighted to actually play any good games, those two you bought are fantastic, and your inability to actually enjoy consoles is a waste.

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy@Nov 19 2005, 07:35 PM
That was a horrid.. console... thing... whatever it was.

@Moogle: And buying a GameCube is not a "big mistake" it's just you being too assinine and short sighted to actually play any good games, those two you bought are fantastic, and your inability to actually enjoy consoles is a waste.
Tastes differ, you know. Not every likes FPS. Not even if it's bloody good FPS... :whistle:

[TheGiantMidgit]

It's a matter of personal taste is all, I personally prefer consols, but this is probably due to my childhood with the intellivision (cloudy mountain has to be one of my favourites to this day) at my side. Both have their pros and cons, some genres being almost impossible on one platform, and some seeming almost tailer made for them.

Exclusive gems really affect the choice of purchase as well. RE4 (which is now on PS2 for some reason, the buggers), ICO, Zelda, Halo, Colossus, the FF series are all huge factors when deciding what purchase to go for. Personally, I find the games affect the consumer more than the hardware does. The Neo Geo and Dreamcast demonstrate this (although both were amazing, too bad...).

Although, I do think the Revolution has the potential to change alot of that due to it's user interface. RTS, FPS, and all the games in between won't really pose a problem control wise, and free wi fi doesn't exactly hurt.

Tastes differ, you know. Not every likes FPS. Not even if it's bloody good FPS...*

If you're referring to his comment towards Moogles GC games, neither are FPS games. Both are fighting.

[Stebbi]

I Just wanted too spam a little ....I FOUND MY OLD SEGA MEGA CONSOLE

[PrejudiceSucks]

Bloody Piggy, you do realise that Crimson Skies actually came out on the PC a long time before it came out on the XBox, along with free multiplayer and actually more features?

You can talk about XBox Live not having any lag or anything, but on the other hand if you have broadband anyway then lag isn't a problem. Obviously, Dial-up vs. XBox live will show much less lag on XBox Live, but then Broadband vs XBox Live will be pretty much equal, plus you don't have a to pay out ?5 a month.

Also, the GameCube was underpowered, there were very, very few good games for it and the controller wass terrible.

All of the games that are coming out for XBox are basically sequels - it'd be nice to see a new game to launch the platform, to be honest.

P.S. Far Cry Instincts was pure shite.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally posted by PrejudiceSucks@Nov 19 2005, 04:05 PM
Bloody Piggy, you do realise that Crimson Skies actually came out on the PC a long time before it came out on the XBox, along with free multiplayer and actually more features?

You can talk about XBox Live not having any lag or anything, but on the other hand if you have broadband anyway then lag isn't a problem. Obviously, Dial-up vs. XBox live will show much less lag on XBox Live, but then Broadband vs XBox Live will be pretty much equal, plus you don't have a to pay out ?5 a month.

Also, the GameCube was underpowered, there were very, very few good games for it and the controller wass terrible.

All of the games that are coming out for XBox are basically sequels - it'd be nice to see a new game to launch the platform, to be honest.

P.S. Far Cry Instincts was pure shite.
The Gamecube ranked about 1/3 more powerful than the Playstation, with the X-box being the most powerful.
You liar, either you made that up, or some idiot lied to you, go check a reliable source.
The controller was voted the most comfortable and useful on several surveys, reviews, and etc. so either YOU didn't like it, or you and a few of your friends decided so, and immediatly thought that it was crap and so must everyone else.
Very, very, few good games? Jesus man, I bet you haven't even played any games, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime1, 2, Eternal Darkness, Super Smash Brothers Melee, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Freedom Fighters...
Once again, Gamespot had a total of all the games they reviewed, and the Playstation totalled out as having the worst games, the X-Box the second best, and the GameCube turning out the best. And don't tell me that doesn't matter, numbers don't lie when it comes to a mass of good games, especially when you say "No good games."

And the Crimson Skies on the X-Box was a somewhat better game, and it wasn't ANYTHING like the PC one, it was a whole different game, it wasn't even a remake or port. To add on to that, it had MUCH more than the PC version, in fact, the split screen multiplayer was better than playing the PC internet multiplayer. Play the game first sirra.
And Far Cry Instincts to many people was a excellent game, there's a huge fanbase for it, the press loved it, and many other people enjoy it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean other people don't either.


Broadband won't change much, I said SERVERS are never crappy, it lies in the fact that some games have terrible net-code.

Translation of your post :

"X-Box versions of games are gay"
"I don't understand servers, net-code, and integrated networks"
"I am misinformed about the GameCube, biased against it, and have no actual gaming experience"
"I don't like sequels, and I say the X-Box 360 has mostly sequels, even while the whole line-up are completely original games"
"I don't like Far Cry Instincts, so it must be factual that it sucks."

[Havell]

Blood-Pigggy, what more can moogle or PrejSucks possibly give than their honest opinions?

Opinions that are not the same as yours aren't wrong.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Sorry, it's just that certain things like "Console sucks" really tick me off, I was just poking at factual errors, and where he stated certain stuff was crap, I don't like incorrect statements like "Was technically underpowered" which it wasn't.

[Sean]

In his world they are... he's very narrow minded at times.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Why I Act The Way I Do (http://www.dana.org/articles/bwn_0697.pdf)

That and the medication/therapy

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit@Nov 19 2005, 07:42 PM
Tastes differ, you know. Not every likes FPS. Not even if it's bloody good FPS...*

If you're referring to his comment towards Moogles GC games, neither are FPS games. Both are fighting.
Oops. Sorry.:tomato: Well, I wouldn't know, really; the last console I bought was a SNES. So it was just a stab in the dark based on a vague idea of what sort of games Piggy likes.;)

[TheGiantMidgit]

Originally posted by A. J. Raffles+Nov 19 2005, 11:03 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (A. J. Raffles @ Nov 19 2005, 11:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-TheGiantMidgit@Nov 19 2005, 07:42 PM
Tastes differ, you know. Not every likes FPS. Not even if it's bloody good FPS...*

If you're referring to his comment towards Moogles GC games, neither are FPS games. Both are fighting.
Oops. Sorry.:tomato: Well, I wouldn't know, really; the last console I bought was a SNES. So it was just a stab in the dark based on a vague idea of what sort of games Piggy likes.;) [/b][/quote]
Ah, no problem. I was just confused by the comment.

The Snes, in my opinion, was the pinnacle of electronic gaming. Good choice.

[JimmyJ]

On my working snes, I have a cartredge of RPG Maker snes version XD

[Alf Hari]

I seem to remember someone posting about the lack of good RTS games on consoles. This is quite true, unfortunately. On the first 'new' generation consoles such as PSX and N64, I don't think there were many good titles. However, the Command and Conquer series was a notable exception, with fun gameplay if you could learn to use the digital controller. Actually, I own a PSX mouse, which is one of the wierdest console accessories ever mdae. It makes RTSs so much easier, more like a PC game, but with the instant playability of a console. I seem to remember that the mouse also worked with a post-apocalyptic game called Warzone, which had decent 3D graphics and a heap of missions - you could probably compare it with the Command and Conquer game on N64.

I now have a PS2, but haven't bought any RTS games for it, as I don;t know of any good ones. I think that RTS games will continue to decline on consoles. The reasons for this are probably that PC RTS games are easily playable on the internet, and also because any RTS made today is expected to have a nice rotatable 3D view as well as number buttons for assigning teams and other controls which the console controllers can't hope to match. So the point is that RTSs on consoles have probably had their day, unless you want to go and buy a PSX and hunt around for the half-dozen C&C titles on it.

[Borodin]

Originally posted by Stebbi@Nov 18 2005, 06:09 PM
Computer's get out dated much faster than consoles...
Computers can also be upgraded much more easily than consoles. I had my 1.3 gHz CPU with 256 MB RAM upgraded cheaply to 3 gHz with 1 GB RAM. I can selectively upgrade just the things I want, and I can do far more than just run a few games (individually, since on a console you can't multitask) with the result.

Mind, there's nothing wrong with consoles. Everybody basically can enjoy whatever they like: viva la difference! But it frustrates me to hear the PR arguments that make no sense whatever being put forward without thought. PC's dated more quickly than consoles? How long did the Xbox last before Microsoft tried to sell a new version? And can you run the latest high-end crop of console titles on the consoles released a few years ago?

[moogle]

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit+Nov 19 2005, 11:06 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheGiantMidgit @ Nov 19 2005, 11:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by A. J. Raffles@Nov 19 2005, 11:03 PM
******QuoteBegin-TheGiantMidgit@Nov 19 2005, 07:42 PM
Tastes differ, you know. Not every likes FPS. Not even if it's bloody good FPS...*

If you're referring to his comment towards Moogles GC games, neither are FPS games. Both are fighting.
Oops. Sorry.:tomato: Well, I wouldn't know, really; the last console I bought was a SNES. So it was just a stab in the dark based on a vague idea of what sort of games Piggy likes.;)
Ah, no problem. I was just confused by the comment.

The Snes, in my opinion, was the pinnacle of electronic gaming. Good choice. [/b][/quote]
Yup Yup, SNES is indeed awesome, and Piggy, I just wanna make a lil comment about how you said Playstation 2 had worst reviewed game out of the three and then I'm done (don't want this topic to turn out like the...others...) The main reason Playstation 2 has the "worst review" games is because it has the biggest library, where as GC and Xbox have a smaller, more defined selection, Xbox is more for "adult gamers" and GC is more for kiddies "Its mario!" (waits for Piggy to disagree w/ the kiddy staement, almost everyone does >_>) PS2, is more broad, it has kiddy games (Katamari ^_^, Adult games (Resident Evil, and thoose inbetween, (Soul Caliber 3, FF. and tons of others).

K, thats it. :) :ok:

And notice how most of the votes are for don't get the 360, aha! Its $400 btw. ;)

[efthimios]

I was slowly drifting to not buy the xbox360. So just a few min ago I found this
malfuctioning with pop up messages (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051124/ap_on_hi_te/xbox_glitches) and I couldn't stop laughing, it was like reading about Windows.

[amazoness girl]

Dude you should get it!!! have you ever played Halo? THAT GAME IS AWESOME!!!
AND you can customize and paint it, the graphics are just amazing, you can download all sorts of music on it and play that music while playing your games!
(I could play MCR while playing need for speed!)

USB, wireless controllers, I also heard it's has a TFT port thingy... :blink: whatever that is....

You should get one, For sure!

[Sean]

I forget that it was already out in the USA.

I'll have to find a forum or something and ask around for honest feedback from some real gamers :P

[Quintopotere]

I bring another reason to wait to buy (and eventually not) the (evil) XBox: many ones reported system crashes! Look here! (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFkZkkkyEHasmrPqu.php)

Everywhere Microsoft works, appear the evil "blue screen" :ph34r:

[TheGiantMidgit]

Originally posted by amazoness girl@Nov 24 2005, 06:17 PM
Dude you should get it!!! have you ever played Halo? THAT GAME IS AWESOME!!!
Who hasn't played Halo?

But then again, consider -real- good new releases, like Shadow of the Colossus. I mean, if the ICO team is still working on stuff, I'd totally pick up a ps3.

As for the 360 crashes, I only really have one thing to say; BAH HA HA HA HA HA! Ah ha ha ha ha!

[Danny252]

Even the BBC have picked up on Xbox crashes.
Microsoft do love their screens of death in any shape and form...
At least Vista has variety.. Blue for critical errors, red for REALLY bad errors!

[amazoness girl]

Reminding everyone thats an Xbox and not an Xbox360!

And Halo 3 is the only reason I'm getting it!

Halo 2 was awesome, so I want Halo3!!!

(the only thing I find wrong with the Xbox is that it doesn't play the original Xbox games...)

[Danny252]

the Xbox360 expensive version can play original xbox games... if it has a hard drive..
And theres a Halo 3?

[Jimbo the Legend]

I thought that not all games were backwards compatible even with a hard drive?

And sorry but how can you say halo 2 was awesome? It was little more than halo 1.5, nothin really that new except double weilding weapons.

J

[TheGiantMidgit]

Halo was alright, sure, but, it was no Half Life.

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by TheGiantMidgit+Nov 24 2005, 09:22 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TheGiantMidgit @ Nov 24 2005, 09:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-amazoness girl@Nov 24 2005, 06:17 PM
Dude you should get it!!! have you ever played Halo? THAT GAME IS AWESOME!!!
Who hasn't played Halo?
[/b][/quote]
Me!

And my life is going on without problems... :bleh:

[SupSuper]

NOTE: A console is supposed to have MORE than one good game. Claiming Xbox = R0X0RX because Halo = R0X0RX is ridiculous.

Plus they totally crapped on the PC conversion.

[Sean]

Ergh.. to think I can't get an 360 simply because a retard that wants the 'l33tz0r h4l0' is really depressing. Looks like I won't be getting one after all. A mate pre-ordered his console and is number 33 in a line of 300+. The store are getting 17 consoles on release and 5 every week after that. Long behind wait. To think I haven't even pre-ordered. I have no *dirty word* chance.

*meep* Microsoft.

[TheGiantMidgit]

Originally posted by Danny252@Nov 24 2005, 10:12 PM
the Xbox360 expensive version can play original xbox games... if it has a hard drive..
And theres a Halo 3?
And if it follows the logical pattern, you'll be able to weild -three- weapons at once! I'm assuming the new addition is the ability to aim and fire with your feet.

[JimmyJ]

LOL, that would only make since on halflife, if you get a crab, you can use the lil arm thing coming out of your zombified chest ;) Just making a good game better (better that HALO [which isn't that good] because halflife pwns halo by miles)

[Evad]

I'm already 1500 into my computer. With another 400 bucks I'll blow xbox 360 out of the water.....i hope...

[JimmyJ]

Leave it in the water, it'll make less people want it and help the Revolution!