Loom

[Kosta]

Feel free to comment and discuss this game here. Also, if you have any useful tips or tricks don't hesitate to share them with the others! Thanks!

Download and Review (if available)
(http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/21)

[Durak]

I remember playing this game a long time ago but never found out how to actually win...

[Anonymous]

One of my first games, crazy plot but not as complex gameplay as the Monkey Islands. Fun time.

[LotharGR]

Loom is more a work of art than a game.... The dialogs especially are a real masterpiece. The game also reminds very much Greek mythology. The 3 Elders have their names, and roles, taken from the Greek deities of fate ( Clothos, Atropos, and Lachesis ). According to the myth they were weaving the fate of men in their Loom...

[Tom Henrik]

Gee, LotharGR....
How come YOU know so much about greek mythology? :P

[captain_cow]

one of the first adventure games i played and (proudly) finished. wonderful experience. never tried the talkie version though, any of you people have? how was it?

[gdp2000]

I have the talkie verision. But the music is more worth it than the speech. Very wonderful Fairy Tale.

c ya
gdp2k

[Jumjalum]

You can download the talkie from Home of the Underdogs, but its a real bastard to get running with the sound in sync (from my experience). I have an MP3'ed version which runs great but you need ScummVM to use it. It's 45MB if anyone wants to host it.

[gdp2000]

How do you run the talkie version without ScummVm? Is the Talkie version not a FM-Towns version? I only have the executables, only the files needed for ScummVm, so I can't test if there is a DOS version..

[Jumjalum]

There are 3 versions of Loom, the PC floppy version has EGA graphics, adlib music and no speech. The PC CD version has VGA graphics, full speech and CD audio. The FM towns version has VGA graphics, CD audio but no speech (it also has several close-up pictures of the people you meet which aren't in the PC CD version due to lip-sync problems). If the version you have doesnt run unless you use ScummVM it must be the FM towns version, although its a rare sight. Why you would want to run any game without ScummVM is a mystery to me though, since the benefits are so great. Do you need help setting it up?

[BlackMageJawa]

Apparently, HOTU only has a patch that wil upgrade the disc version to CD (VGA graphics and speech), but it says it'll only work on a legal copy. I don't suppose there's any way it'll actually work on a copy downloaded from here will it?

[gdp2000]

Originally posted by Jumjalum@Oct 4 2004, 04:30 PM
There are 3 versions of Loom, the PC floppy version has EGA graphics, adlib music and no speech. The PC CD version has VGA graphics, full speech and CD audio. The FM towns version has VGA graphics, CD audio but no speech (it also has several close-up pictures of the people you meet which aren't in the PC CD version due to lip-sync problems). If the version you have doesnt run unless you use ScummVM it must be the FM towns version, although its a rare sight. Why you would want to run any game without ScummVM is a mystery to me though, since the benefits are so great. Do you need help setting it up?
No, thanks. I do only want to test everything when I get bored. This is the only reason I want to test it in dosbox. Thanks for the detailed version info. I wondered why I heard the wonderfull music and didn't get speech.

c ya
gdp2k

[Jumjalum]

Originally posted by BlackMageJawa@Oct 4 2004, 07:20 PM
Apparently, HOTU only has a patch that wil upgrade the disc version to CD (VGA graphics and speech), but it says it'll only work on a legal copy. I don't suppose there's any way it'll actually work on a copy downloaded from here will it?
I dont really know, but it worked alright for me with a downloaded copy.

[ianbasore]

This was my first adventure game ever, back on my Amiga 500....
I finally got to the point where I could beat it in under 40 minutes...LOL

[Pralev]

I simply love this game. I like it so much (I had to play it and finish it now again on expert mode :D )

[Fluxy]

I tried it and couldn't get past the first few parts of it.

Long story short, the best thing to come out of Loom is the "Ask Me About LOOM" pirate at the SCUMM Bar in the Secret of Monkey Island.

[Mickey Bitsko]

There's also an Amiga version out there. And I have a Spanish language version that seems to have more graphics than the others.

It's enough to drive a man insane.

[AthaElvis]

I downloaded this from abandonia, but don't seem to have any way of making notes? I don't know if this is because I don't have the security protection thing, and just click on anything?

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Making Notes?????????????

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by AthaElvis@Dec 9 2004, 04:14 PM
I downloaded this from abandonia, but don't seem to have any way of making notes? I don't know if this is because I don't have the security protection thing, and just click on anything?
You can just use a pice of paper and writhe on it.
There's no option in the game to store the spells. You must write them yourself (if that's the notes you were talking about).

[Guest]

i downloaded this and it kept on asking me to insert disks, what do i do, i had this ages ago but i sold the machine i played it on, i really wanna play it again

[The Niles]

mhh, not sure what this is about. Check back a little later and we will try and sort this out in the mean time.

check this topic. http://www.abandonia.com/forum//index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2025

[Guest]

Originally posted by The Picard@Dec 20 2004, 11:42 AM
mhh, not sure what this is about. Check back a little later and we will try and sort this out in the mean time.

check this topic. http://www.abandonia.com/forum//index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=2025
thanks, and would it help if i gave the exact message it gave me?

[Mad-E-Fact]

Truly a beatiful and atmospheric game. Too bad it's also really short. :/

[Guest]

The game that got me hooked on games and is responsible for the trainwreck of a person i am now. Exellent game, was like 10 when i first finished it.

[shawnmos]

I have the cd version and it is great. The music is awesome. Can't imagine playing the game without it. I also had a book with a bunch of spells. I think you need that to beat the game. I did beat this game but never did beat Monkey Island.

[OdedEvenOr]

The game work sfor me, but i dont have sound. can someone help me?

[turbo852]

I have the old version that I got off of the actual floppy disks. I used to play it all the time on an old computer that only had DOS. In fact, I'm playing it right now. It's minimized. I copied the disks and burned the data to a cd. It's the old version without the speech. I've never played any other version. The only trouble I had was getting the book of patterns. I have it now, though. The game only took about 2 megabytes.

[turbo852]

Here are some pics I took: Sorry about the quality, I was in a hurry.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/IMG_1549.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/IMG_1552.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/IMG_1551.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/IMG_1553.jpg

That last one is too hard to read. It is the piece I was missing. I don't have it at home, it's at least 300 miles away at my grandparents house.

[BLOODUK]

seeing pictures of old boxes like that... boo hoo :( :(

[David]

Fantastic to see that there is still interest in this AWESOME game (IMHO). Fantastic to see that anyone else still remembers it...

I too have the original and a copy which I downloaded from Underdogs (which is exactly the same, just conveniently in one folder instead of on 7 (gasp!) 5 1/4" floppies).

I have also downloaded the "speech and VGA patch" and the 52meg "audio & vga" CD data. But the readme's in each are so confusing... I can't work out what it means by "a data CD is required to play the game" and why I get prompted to insert a CD "to play the talkie version" when I run the EXE file the patch creates in the "data" folder.

here Loom at Home of the Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=655) is where I got these files from. Anyone who has successfully patched the disk version to the VGA & Audio CD version I would really appreciate you telling us how you managed it...

David.

[Tuttle]

I've done the patch, but it was ages ago. I don't remember the exact commands, but basically you're creating a 2-track CD -- track 1 is the game data, and track 2 is an audio track that contains the sound from that big MP3 file.

[HellishFiend]

After many long hours of trial an error, I managed to get the HOTU vga cd audio patch working using a combination of Nero, Daemon Tools, and ScummVM. If there is interest in how exactly to accomplish this, let me know, I will check back to see if anyone wants to know the exact process.

[MasterGrazzt]

I remember that once upon a time I downloaded the audio drama that came on a tape with the deluxe version of Loom. It was a sort of prequel, a set-up for the game's events. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I got it from. Oh well. At least it's out there, somewhere...

The ending cries out for a sequel. Too bad one was never made. Curse you, LucasArts!

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by MasterGrazzt@Jan 16 2005, 07:22 AM
The ending cries out for a sequel. Too bad one was never made. Curse you, LucasArts!
Don't you dare say that again. The ending is perfect the way it is. It's indicating they're off to weave a new and better world with Chaos left behind. Anything you want to add to the story you should use your imagination...

Don't make the sequel. There's nothing you could actually do to continue that story without destroying it.

You could make more adventures of Bobin, but you should not pick up where the priginal game ends!

[Braindead]

Originally posted by Tuttle@Jan 16 2005, 04:12 AM
I've done the patch, but it was ages ago. I don't remember the exact commands, but basically you're creating a 2-track CD -- track 1 is the game data, and track 2 is an audio track that contains the sound from that big MP3 file.
Yes I did the patch too a while ago. Don't remember the details but isn't there in the readme a suggestion to download a free CD-burner?
I think I downloaded that burner and burned the CD clean as a whistle :whistle: with it...

[Guest]

HellishFiend, if you can be bothered, I am one person who would love to know the details of getting the CD right... I have put in hours of trial-and-error too but I can never get the audio lined up properly (the suggested 4:32 leading silence in the README doesn't work out quite right) and when I get it working for some scenes, others are timing-dependent and just run waay too fast on my Athlon and screw everything up...

The CD burning program which comes with the doc's has errors when I run it, and only manages to detect my DVD drive and the nero imagedrive... not my CD burner ( :wall: ). Can't find an updated version for windows either... though if I knew how I guess I could compile one from source and maybe that would work.

[Loom Lover]

Hey Fiend, if you could explain it using the Nero and SCUMM method that would be great, I have those programs so whatever worked for you would probably work for me! Many thanks in advance!

[HellishFiend]

Hey all, glad to see there is some interest in the method I used. I will work on getting it typed up and post it here in the next day or so!

[HellishFiend]

Ok, here is my method. Hopefully you guys can get it working by following this. I'll check back again later, let me know how it goes!

What you need (or at least what I used):

Nero (any version should do)
Daemon Tools
Original Loom game files (I got mine from my original non-pirated Lucasarts classic Adventures floppies)
ScummVM 0.7.0
Loom CD upgrade for floppy version*
Audio pack for full speech upgrade*

*http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=655

Ok, here goes, the first thing you need to do is unzip all the patch files and audio pack files into the same directory. Once youve done that, copy all your original loom game files into the "in" directory in the patch folder. I have read that pirated versions of the loom files wont work, but I wouldnt know, since I used the files from the original floppies like is suggested. Run assemble.bat, and you should end up with loom.toc, track01.iso, and track02.wav in your "out" folder. Now, here is where my method deviates from the instructions included with the patch. Since I had absolutely NO luck using cdrdao or even GUI-based dao applications such as burnatonce, i had to resort to nero. I'll go step by step from here:
1) MOUNT track01.iso using Daemon tools
2) Launch nero, using a Mixed-Mode cd template
3) Drag all files from the track01 iso from windows explorer into the files portion of your new nero compilation.
4) Drag the wav file into the audio portion

Ok, here is another fuzzy portion of the process. Using Dosbox to run the game, I had to experiment with the Pause for track02 until I got it right, and ended up with 20269 frames as a good pause delay to work with. However, Dosbox seems to glitch Loom to where subsequently played draft notes dont play after the first one. Anyways, as a result of that, I resorted to ScummVM, which worked great, only the audio clips seemed to play just a TAD too early, sometimes causing clips to end early, or playing a small portion of the clip just before it. So, I went back to experimenting with the pause delay, but no amount of changing the pause seemed to have any effect! My theory is that ScummVM intelligently seeks out the audio track and plays it of its own accord.

Anyhow, sorry about the rant, but I just thought I'd share that info. Moving on:

5) Right click/properties on the track02.wav entry, and set a FRAMES delay of 20269. Click ok, and the pause should now read 4:30.19 (not that i'm sure if it matters with ScummVM)
6) On the Recorder menu, choose "choose recorder", and make sure you opt to use the Image Recorder rather than your DVD/CD burner.
7) Burn the Compilation to your hard drive
8) Right click your Nero icon in the toolbar, and make sure the Analog Audio option is checked under Options.
9) Mount the Image
10) Launch ScummVM using the command line "scummvm --cdrom=?" where ? is the number of the drive you mounted the image to (may have to use trial and error to find it, unless you know)
11) Add Loom to ScummVM like normal, You should be able to use either the files directly off the mounted CD image, or in the data folder of your patch directory
12) Run the game, and it should work great!

You may notice a couple of annoying sound delay issues, but I have not been able to correct them by adjusting the pause. If you somehow get it fixed, or are having problems with my steps, let me know! Hope this helps!

[HellishFiend]

Whoops, just re-read what I posted, and found an error in number 8
8) Right click your Daemon Tools icon in the toolbar, and make sure the Analog Audio option is checked under Options.

Sorry about that....

[FRUSTRATED]

Hey Fiend, thanks for the step-by-step, I'm having a problem and I was wondering if you knew what might be up.

So, I followed your steps and burnt the image to my hard drive, and when I look at it with windows explorer it shows the image as having a size of 601 MB, so far so good. So, I go to mount it with Daemon and the audio file is NOT SHOWING UP. It's only showing a size of 4.36 MB, as if the audio wasn't even there or something! I'm using Daemon version 3.46....... anyone out there know what might be happening. And YES I did have analog audio toggled on!!

[HellishFiend]

The track02, when burned, is treated as a cd audio track, therefor it does not show up in explorer (this is normal). Follow the rest of the instructions and it should work the way its supposed to. Pay close attention to this line:
10) Launch ScummVM using the command line "scummvm --cdrom=?" where ? is the number of the drive you mounted the image to (may have to use trial and error to find it, unless you know)

The ID numbers start from 0 and go up. So for me, I have my real DVD/CD burner, and then my first virtual drive was the one I had loom mounted to, so my ID number was 1. (meaning I launch ScummVM with "scummvm --cdrom=1". It may be different for you, so you might have to experiment a bit.

[Mo]

Hi,

I am a new to this board.

The speech addon sounds great, but I can't even get the regular music/sound working!

I am playing the Loom CD version and I am using ScummVD version 0.7. I've tried messing around with the audio setting in Scumm but I can't get any sound going.

If anybody had this issue, please help!

[Alpa]

There are 3 versions of Loom, the PC floppy version has EGA graphics, adlib music and no speech....

i played this version, looooooong time ago. I think that the best of the game is its music, based on Tchaekovsky (surely bad spelled :P) and that the magics change on every game you play

[_heretic]

I tried Fiend's instructions, and I definitely can't get it to work. It may be that I am using an old version of Nero, or it may be that I am trying to burn the pirated Loom files from Abandonia, but I just can't get them to work. The game still plays through ScummVM, but the CD audio is not present.

The first problem I had was Nero would not allow me to put a large enough pause at the beginning of the audio track. It limited the pause to 1000 frames for some reason. I tried just putting silence at the beginning, and then just burning the iso with 1000 frames of pause, but neither of these worked.

Could someone help me out here? I would really like to play this game with the audio. As you probably know, this game is not available on the LucasArts site, or anywhere else that I could find, so I am pretty sure this is 100% abandonware. If someone could send me the files from the floppy version, or otherwise let me know where I'm going wrong, I would really appreciate it.

[Chris]

The first release came with an audio tape which told the prehistory of Loom. Does anyone have it as .mp3? It would also be a great additon to the extra package.

[Tuttle]

I think I've got that. It runs for 29 minutes, does that sound right?

[Chris]

YESSSS! That's it! Do you have the tape, or a .mp3 version? I actually never found out how to convert audio tapes properly. Can you submit it to me somehow?

[Sebatianos]

I'd like that one too. BTW - I can convert tapes to .mp3 with no problem (got my stereo hooked to the computer, so all I need to do is record it. Quality stays the same as on tape).

[Tuttle]

It's MP3. I'll probably upload it on the weekend.

[Aki]

Yeah umm... hi

I'm kinda stuck at that twister at the start. This realy pisses me off because i could beat this when i was 5. where do i find the draft for the twister? And i know your probly sick of hereing this, but i downloaded loom here and i can't get sound working, is there a reason for that?

[Chris]

If you click on the twister, you'll hear/see the spell "twisting". Now cast the reverse spell on the twister by turning around the sound sequence. the twister "untwists" itself.

Sorry i can't help you with your sound problem. Loom without sound is just like maniac mansion without tentacles... :crazy:

[just passing through]

Hi. I don't know if this helps since I don't know the hows or whys, but anyway, when i first started the game, from the folder, it worked, but with no sound. Then I downloaded the scummvm-program and started it with that and I get sound, just like that...
Anyway, best of luck figuring it out...

[FFX2player]

Hi! About the twister, I have problems too. I get the turn the draft backwards part, but in my game, the draft contains "F" which I haven't gotten yet. Is there some experience part I'm missing? I have the dying draft and the one from the holes where the owls live, but maybe I missed something. Thanks! Great game by the way, graphics and music are both cool!!!! :ok:

[Sebatianos]

Yes. You need more experiance (as that enables you to play more notes). Make sure you explore every hut back on the island and try to use magic on everything (have you spun the gold out of straw and back to straw again?).
That's the hut with darkness - you need the spell you got from the owls, to see in the dark.

[Błarz]

This was the most beautiful, magical and mysterious game that I've ever encountered... Never again have I found such a plot and world... I miss the times when such games were on top. I often take a trip back into the world of guilds.. maybe one day games like that will return...

[Aki]

We can only hope. I might make a fan game sometime. I'm not sure how to continue the story tho

[Jimmy Bojangles]

Originally posted by FFX2player@Mar 20 2005, 01:47 AM
Hi! About the twister, I have problems too. I get the turn the draft backwards part, but in my game, the draft contains "F" which I haven't gotten yet. Is there some experience part I'm missing? I have the dying draft and the one from the holes where the owls live, but maybe I missed something. Thanks! Great game by the way, graphics and music are both cool!!!! :ok:
You get F from opening the clam\oyster, or whatever it is.

[adfegg]

I've found a site where you can download the audio drama: http://soundtracks.mixnmojo.com/

Just click on Loom and it's there. I don't know how much longer it'll be there so I'd recommend downloading it!

[Guest]

This was one of my first adventure games too. I was pretty young at the time but I've got the talking version with voice.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

Ah Loom i beat this game in 3 hours sadly, its a great game the graphics, sound, plot exc. I miss adventure games theres just a lack of them. They are so fun and have great humor like the space quests LOL. :w00t:

[Guest]

The thing I loved about adventure games was the smallest details. Just everything stood out in them and they were "adventures". The closest game to an adventure last released I can think of that I loved was Shenmue I and Shenmue II. They have EVERY aspect to a adventure game. It's all about Japanese culture but it's an amazing series for dreamcast, unfortunately the series is in jeapordy and no one knows if the rest will be released because it was considered one of the most expensive projects ever made due to the research involved and it didn't draw too much money (as not too many people are big on adventure games). It's very interactive though and I recommend it.

[in dubio]

i wonder how come the editors gave this a 3-rating?

LOOM is one of the best adventures I ever played. it's really different from anything else. I love it!

[Chris]

Originally posted by in dubio@May 6 2005, 04:29 PM
i wonder how come the editors gave this a 3-rating?

LOOM is one of the best adventures I ever played. it's really different from anything else. I love it!
It was Kosta himself. I also don't share this opinion, but tastes may differ... At least you have the option to rate the game by yourself and give it a straight 5. :D

[domenicus]

I want to know if someone know where I can find the 256 colors version, and if I need something special to make it work(crakcs, drivers, etc)

Loom is a great game, but depends a lot of memory.

[Isca]

Does anybody know where I can find a copy of the Floppy version these days? I feel like I've hunted all over. :help:

[Guest_Michael]

How can I get a copy of Loom anyways? I have the reaaallly old BIG floppy version, and I have no way to run that on my Windows machine, so where can I get a copy of the game?

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Guest_Michael@Jun 20 2005, 08:56 PM
How can I get a copy of Loom anyways? I have the reaaallly old BIG floppy version, and I have no way to run that on my Windows machine, so where can I get a copy of the game?
It's ESA-protected, so only through something like ebay, I'm afraid. Alternatively, you could try sending your discs to Lucas Arts along with a nice letter asking them to replace your discs so you can play the game again, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Guest_Michael@Jun 20 2005, 10:56 PM
How can I get a copy of Loom anyways? I have the reaaallly old BIG floppy version, and I have no way to run that on my Windows machine, so where can I get a copy of the game?
What is wrong? How come the game doesn't run? I have the original version (bought it many years ago) and it still works - no problems installing it under windows...

[_heretic]

Originally posted by Sebatianos+Jun 20 2005, 11:59 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sebatianos @ Jun 20 2005, 11:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Guest_Michael@Jun 20 2005, 10:56 PM
How can I get a copy of Loom anyways?* I have the reaaallly old BIG floppy version, and I have no way to run that on my Windows machine, so where can I get a copy of the game?
What is wrong? How come the game doesn't run? I have the original version (bought it many years ago) and it still works - no problems installing it under windows... [/b][/quote]
I assume it is because he doesn't have one of those drives on his computer, the 5.25" drives. Not many computers have those anymore.

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Hello, I'm an ex-LucasArts fan. A 'mojoer' if anyone comes from there is here. Loom is the best game ever. Straight five on any site. Anyway. You can upgrade your copy of Loom from the Underdogs website. Adding speech is optional. The speech pack is 49.7mbs It'll say you need to burn it to a CD, but just run it through ScummVM and it works. Link:
ScummVM website. (http://www.scummvm.org)

[Sebatianos]

I'm sure we all apreaciate your efford, but there are a few problems here!

It's really easy to put up this game (I've original disks myself - and so have several other members) - but LucasFilm games and LucasArts games are off limit!
LucasArts doesn't allow their games to be hosted as ABANDONAWARE, so we took the game off the site and aren't hosting it any more.
Therefore we also don't need a link to another site that does host the game - unless they have explicid permision from LucasArts they shouldn't hoste the game anyway.

[Bobbin Threadbare]

I know about all of this. Over the years Lucas Arts have become well, erm, poo-poo heads. They won't even let abandonwa put up Maniac Mansion. And they're obviously not going to do anything about it.

[Sebatianos]

I know how you feel - they made some great games, but they don't sell them anymore and those games are not available anywhere (except second hand - or even worse: illegaly).

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Yes, I have loads of old skool Lucas Arts/Films games on my desk. Lets look ay a few.

Curse Of Monkey Island
Full Throttle
Escape MI
Grim Fandango
SW: Dark Forces
SW: TIE Fighter
SW: X-Wing
SW: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter

There's loads more but those are just some I gazed upon just then.

[gorkur]

I need the book of references to get past the copyprotection at the start, and the file I got from here was corrupted. Anyone have a working version?

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Just click on any four.

[gorkur]

K thanks :)

[Guest_NICK]

:help: HOW DO YOU DOWLOAD LOOM

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Guest_NICK@Sep 21 2005, 04:12 AM
:help:* HOW DO YOU DOWLOAD LOOM
You can't, sorry. It's ESA-protected, and we no longer have permission to host the download. But it shouldn't be too hard to find a secondhand copy via ebay.

[Tito]

I love this game since it is the first adventure I ever played. I still have the big old box with its floppy disks. A few months ago I found an archive called LOOM CD-ROM XP version, somewhere in the net, than included de VGA version with speech, music and ScummVM already configured to run under Win XP, but I guess it is no longer legal because of the ESA protection.

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by Bobbin Threadbare@Jul 4 2005, 01:18 PM
Yes, I have loads of old skool Lucas Arts/Films games on my desk. Lets look ay a few.

Curse Of Monkey Island
Full Throttle
Escape MI
Grim Fandango
SW: Dark Forces
SW: TIE Fighter
SW: X-Wing
SW: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter

There's loads more but those are just some I gazed upon just then.
Youre not the only one. :angel:

I just finished this game first time withouth walktrought in 2 (or less) hours.

[Guest_Bobbin Threadbare]

Hi,

I have extracted all the speech and VGA version for Loom in my harddisk. You guys were saying that it is possible to run the game with speech using ScummVM. How do I do that? Ive downloaded ScummVM and loaded loom. It only plays, but with no sounds or speech, how come? What are the files and directory that should only be there in order to play it? Please guys, need help badly.

Thanks!

[a15drian]

ok i finished the game a long a go and worked fine with the dosbox the songs are playing and everything works fine :ok:

[Da_Duke2000]

I hope someone is still frequenting this board. Basically I have the files deleted source, but I need the original copy, or a downloaded version to try it. I would love having sound on this game. But havent found an emulator to do that. If anyone could help, I'd appreciate it immensely.

EDIT: E-mail removed!
If you really have a version you downloaded (you shouldn't have anyway), try an emulator. You don't need a different version - and you're not getting it from us, because play by the rules and this game is a NO GO!!!

[A. J. Raffles]

Obviously you haven't found an emulator to do that. I mean, if you've got the files from somewhere, you've only got the sound, but not the actual game.:)
Sorry, but since the game's ESA protected and we lost our permission to host it, so we can't give it to you or point you a download. Probably the easiest way of getting it would be through ebay.

[Da_Duke2000]

Understandable. But oddly enough I did end up finding a copy, but the Burn.bat executable isn't working for me. So now, I either have old school Loom with sound, or New Loom with Sound at all. Phooey. If anyone could help me with figuring out how to burn a working copy I'd much appreciate it.

[Sebatianos]

The BURN.BAT executable isn't part of the LOOM game, so you obviously have a pirated version of a game you shouldn't have. Figure it out yourself - or buy a vorking version :angry:

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Nov 20 2005, 09:23 PM
The BURN.BAT executable isn't part of the LOOM game, so you obviously have a pirated version of a game you shouldn't have. Figure it out yourself - or buy a vorking version :angry:
He may just have the CD upgrade from the Underdogs, though...

[Sebatianos]

Which still isn't a working legal verion of the Loom game - you need to have something to ugrate it in the first place!

[Guest_Elder]

Hello. I have the EGA version of Loom, but I can't get to pass the Code-Check Book of Patterns) in the beginning of the game. Anyone who can help me out finding a crack or a Book of Patterns?

Let me not that I already found few scans of the book of patterns, but they don't seem to provide the clues needed to pass the code-check.

Thanks in advance.

[Sebatianos]

Well, although we're not allowed to offer the game, we do keep EXTRAS for it on our site. On the main page >>HERE<< (http://www.abandonia.com/games/21/Loom.htm) just look among the EXTRAS and you'll be able to get the book of patterns.

[Guest_Elder]

Thanks for the quick reply. I've found a way around this in my own, so there's no need any more to find the Book of Patterns.

I have a question conserning the game though. I read somewhere that if the game is played in the Expert mode, it offers a bonus of an animation of Bobbin taking off his hood. I've finished the game in expert mode, but I didn't see anywhere this animation - can someone tell me where it is?

[Sebatianos]

It's suppose to be near the end of the game... When Bobbin is trapped in the cage and the henchman want's to see his face. If in expert mode you should be able to see the face (I don't remember if you really do see it). I'll replay the game in expert mode (one of these days) and if you see the bonus, I'll make a screenshot of it :ok:

[Guest_Elder]

Yes, I remember that scene. But your face there doesn't become apparent. Are you sure it's -this- scene and not another one?

Please don't forget to report back here after you play and finish the game ^_^

[swiss]

there seems to be a broken link in the extras:

The requested URL /extras/Loom_Book Of Patterns.zip was not found on this server.

[kleine777]

i played this game and didnt really understand most of it oh well

YAY with this post i become an abandonia nerd YAY

[Jimmy Harris]

Does anyone have a screenshot of Bobbin without his hood?

[Sebatianos]

Well, I guess that's it:
http://www.abandonia.com/~sebatianos/loom_013.png
It's not quite his face, but it shows the hood removed (and Cob gets sucked into Bobbin afterwards). I guess when Bobbin says: "If you fear NOTHING then do not touch me." That emplies that under the hoods the weavers aren't even here - like they're a vacum or something from a paralel universe...

[Gandalf]

Originally posted by swiss@Dec 21 2005, 04:41 PM
there seems to be a broken link in the extras:

The requested URL /extras/Loom_Book Of Patterns.zip was not found on this server.

This Problem still exitsts. The linked filename has a trailing blank charakter (space, %20), which causes the quoted error message. Someone in charge might want to fix the database entry... The linked file itself is present, though. :max:

[TheChosen]

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Jan 19 2006, 04:33 PM
Well, I guess that's it:
http://www.abandonia.com/~sebatianos/loom_013.png
It's not quite his face, but it shows the hood removed (and Cob gets sucked into Bobbin afterwards). I guess when Bobbin says: "If you fear NOTHING then do not touch me." That emplies that under the hoods the weavers aren't even here - like they're a vacum or something from a paralel universe...
Scary.... :omg:

[Guest]

One of my first PC games was Monkey Island, I still have the box, disks, and pirate wheel LOL
but I never did get to play LOOM. I'll probably try to find a copy somewhere, but for anyone else who doesnt have it, I found this neato demo
:ok:
http://www.dosgamesonline.com/index/downlo...rtssampler.zip/ (http://www.dosgamesonline.com/index/download/Loom/352/lucasartssampler.zip/)

[Geordy]

This early LA adventure had one of the best music ever!
Oh and BTW: try to cast a spell on chaos after you entered the rift. :D

Thinking about this game I recognize this one of the rare games that still calls for a sequel. (driven by the story not greed LOL )

[Mara]

One of my first PC games was Monkey Island, I still have the box, disks, and pirate wheel laughing.gif
Same here !
But I can't read these disk anymore. ( 5 1/4- floppy :whistle: ) :w00t:

I wamma play loom again. (Once again, the cd is at my parents's home)

Ah! where are these happy days where I had time to play !!

[Guest_guest]

Can someone help me? Im stuck in the cave where you get the reflect draft. I cant go anywhere from the pond. what should i do?

[Sebatianos]

Did you get the reflection draft already? If so then empty the pond (use the empty draft on it) and you'll be able to go throught hte cavern in the back.

_X____^_-------

X - crystal
^ - exit
___ Where the water used to be
---- Where you can walk while the pond is full

[Mara]

Can someone tell me is there's a copy protection on loom ?
Do I need to seach the whole house after the manual ?

Ok,there is a copy protection. So I'm stuk unless i manage to find the gooddam manuel !

[Sebatianos]

??? What copy protection? But then again I got it from the Lucas Classic Archive (where Monkey Island has no Copy Protection either). BTW I have the manual (but again it's from the package)...

[Mara]

I started the instalation, and it asked me for a code :crazy:
Mine is an original one. and sure enough , copy protected.

Edit :It seams that the copy protection can be bypassed using scummvn.

Anyway, i won't need that, I found the manuel. (Why did i put it there !!!!!! stupid me! it had no reason to be there !

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Originally posted by Mara@Feb 25 2006, 07:22 PM
Can someone tell me is there's a copy protection on loom ?
Do I need to seach the whole house after the manual ?

Ok,there is a copy protection. So I'm stuk unless i manage to find the gooddam manuel !
There is copy protection, but LucasArts were stpid. Anything you do lets you into it.

[Mara]

maybe i sould have try typing anything then LOL

re edit : won't work. I'm glad i finnaly found the manual.
I'll make a copy of it, so I can write the wave on it while playing.

[Mara]

Originally posted by Bobbin Threadbare@Jul 4 2005, 01:18 PM
Hello, I'm an ex-LucasArts fan. A 'mojoer' if anyone comes from there is here. Loom is the best game ever. Straight five on any site. Anyway. You can upgrade your copy of Loom from the Underdogs website. Adding speech is optional. The speech pack is 49.7mbs It'll say you need to burn it to a CD, but just run it through ScummVM and it works. Link:
ScummVM website. (http://www.scummvm.org)
Tanks Bobbin !!!!

You just made that lossy day better !
I can play Loom at last !

I can't make my legal version to work.

through dosbox
I do install
it asks me to type the code. I give it, then it says "install succesfull"

loom's manual then say type 'go'.
there it asks the code (again) and exits when I type the proper code
:wall:

I started the loom.exe installed on my HD, there a have an error message : inster disk one... *

If anyone managed to make this work, i'll gladdly apreciate help.

edit : whoo! I had forgetten who beautiful loom music was. As well as the rest of the game. it's like doing it for the fist time

[Guest_Quaid]

Loom was the best Graphic Adventure that I've ever played. I still whistle the music...
:ok:

[Glista]

A fun adventure/puzzle game, I still play it sometimes. One of the games that got me hooked on adventure genre.
:ok:

[killa]

i downloaded a copy of loom and i dont know how to make it work with sound. it comes with .LFL files and mp3 files but when i run it with scummvm theres no sound

[The Fifth Horseman]

Did you try DosBox?
You can download it here (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/download.php?main=1).

If you have any problems with it, try having a look at the official FAQ (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php) on the DosBox site.
Basic Setup and Installation (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=Basic+Setup+and+Installation+of+Dos Box)
Command Line (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=CommandLine)
Z instead of C at the command prompt (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=FAQ%2FI+have+got+a+Z)
Internal Programs (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=Internal+Programs) (important, especially MOUNT)
Most of the stuff in there is not really needed, but youb would do best to familiarize yourself with the specific topics I linked to.
The mounting of your DosBox games directory, switching the promt to the emulated C: drive and clearing the screen from previous commands can all be executed from the [autoexec] section of dosbox.conf (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=dosbox.conf), so you won't have to re-type them every time round.
Frontend programs (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=DOSBoxFrontends) can help running DosBox with varying configurations for different games.
For both a more accessible user interface and oldschool feel, you can use Norton Commander (get it from our programs and utilities page (http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs) - scroll down to the bottom to find it). NC might seem awkward at first, but in fact it is a very functional genuine DOS era file manager frontend. It has a plethora of functions that will help you in navigating around the directories, while still retaining the command prompt.

Though all of this might seem complicated, it's very easy once you get used to it. So remember:

DON'T PANIC!!! ^_^

[WHERE?!?!]

I had this game, it was a great one, but i can't find it... can somewhone tell me where can i download it..?



HELP!! :sos:

[Frodo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(WHERE?!?! @ Aug 14 2006, 12:15 AM) 248432</div>
I had this game, it was a great one, but i can't find it... can somewhone tell me where can i download it..?



HELP!! :sos:
[/b]


The game is ESA, which means you can't download it anymore I'm afraid. Maybe you could find a copy on eBay.

:ok:

[Guest]

i've founf downloadable versions of this game, but none of them have music. does anyone know why this is? will dosbox make a difference?

[The Fifth Horseman]

All of them have music... it doesn't work on your computer because - obviously - the game is unable to utilize your sound hardware.
And yes, both DosBox and VDMSound should make the difference.

[Guest]

I have new scans of the password part. I used a red filter over the camera to take the pictures this time. I haven't yet put them all together to form one picture yet.

-Turbo852

[Guest]

Here they are.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/Other/UpperRight.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/Other/UpperLeft.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/Other/LowerRight.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/turbo852/Other/LowerLeft.jpg


Or you can download them in a .rar file.

Passwords (http://rapidshare.de/files/33035973/Loom_Book_Of_Patterns.rar.html)

Passwords Mirror 1 (http://www.savefile.com/files/67786)

[The Fifth Horseman]

I'll try to fix these pictures for you.

[Faez]

I downloaded the game, it runs normaly but i don't have any sound at all. There should be at least the adlib sounds, does anyone know why this happens?

[Guest]

Does this mean that you can't use the audio pack from the harddrive? It makes no sense to me that you have to either use a physical CD or mount an image when playing the game.

Is there really no way to patch the game so that the audio pack can 551 MB sound file can just be placed with the rest of the game files?

[Frodo]

Have you tried using SCUMM? That works great for old adventure games like Loom. And you get full sound as well.

http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs


:ok:

[anil8tion]

Just the other day downloaded and completed this game, on standard mode. I had music, but no voices.

I liked it, and the story didn't seem as surreal or bizarre as some people make it out to be, although the end did bother me a bit for failing to explain pretty much anything. This is actually becoming a problem with me with books and movies and games and things as it frustrates me immensely when these things are left so open with so many loose ends.

What are these "Shadows"? What does the Loom do? What does the Great Scythe do? Who are the Guild of Clerics anyway? What was the idea behind that "blanket" the drew over the sky? Weren't they going away from the other side of the pattern?

The story was decent, but the game was way too short to build up any sort of drama which it seemed to try and "work on" in the ending.

I also downloaded the book of patterns and had a look at it. There are many, many drafts there that I did not use or see at all throughout the entire course of the game, the "emptying" draft was not used for any progression purposes at all during the game. Am I missing something, or was this just some sort of subtle trick to make the book of patterns longer, or make the game seem longer?

Edit: pff, didn't even realise I could post unregistered.

[Tito]

I don´t think that people find this games story weird or surreal, as you say. I think that most people complain about the controls and the musical system because it is quite particular, not the typical aim and click.

About everything left without an explanation, I think that if you try to inmerse a bit into the game, you can actually figure some things on your own.

And yes, I've played through this game many times, and some patterns remain empty when you finish it.

[trouble with water.]

Yeah i forgot to get the empty tune thing and im in the cave after the dragon. does anyone know the notes for the draft i need? :sos: :sos: :sos: :wallbash: :huh: please??

[DoomYoshi]

As I was reading through the posts, it became evident that the game was ESA protected. However, I had no problem in downloading it. Not that I'm complaining but why is this one available but no other LucasArts games available? Did they give out specific rights for Loom? I'm just curious as to what goes on behind the scenes at Abandonia.

[Japo]

There's no mistery, ESA games are protected during a period of time (usually 10 or 15 years). This game is now old enough and isn't being sold so the ESA raises its hand. Before this period passed it couldn't be downloaded, now it can.

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(trouble with water. @ Feb 25 2007, 06:15 AM) 280852</div>
Yeah i forgot to get the empty tune thing and im in the cave after the dragon. does anyone know the notes for the draft i need? :sos: :sos: :sos: :wallbash: :huh: please??
[/b]
Sorry, the spell are not the same every time you play the game. Only the opening spell (the first one) and the Loom spell (the last one) are always the same. The rest of them do change.

[ldk2007]

Hey everyone... I was just wondering if there was anyway to get the talkie version to run through D-Fend?? I don't have the cd or the disks or anything, I just have the old game downloaded from this site. Is there anyway to upgrade it??

Thanks =)

-Leesh

[Prephax]

A jewell of adventure. Nothing more to say.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Hey everyone... I was just wondering if there was anyway to get the talkie version to run through D-Fend?? I don't have the cd or the disks or anything, I just have the old game downloaded from this site. Is there anyway to upgrade it??[/b]
Try running the game directly in DosBox rather than through D-Fend.

[Urmech]

Loom is an excellent game. I can't wait 'til I have time to play in its entirety.

Anyway, does anyone recognize the song played at Crystalgard? It sounds familiar, but I can't place it.

[Urmech]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Urmech @ May 2 2007, 12:42 AM) 289006</div>
Loom is an excellent game. I can't wait 'til I have time to play in its entirety.

Anyway, does anyone recognize the song played at Crystalgard? It sounds familiar, but I can't place it.
[/b]

Nevermind, I found the clip. The theme used in Crystalgard is part of "Danse des cygnes" from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake.

[Tonya Taylor]

OK, I'm trying to follow these instructions, but apparently I am not tech savvy enough to understand how to do certain steps or don't understand which files are refferred to. If anyone could help claify a few points for me so I can get this game running WITH SOUND, that'd be great.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(HellishFiend @ Jan 20 2005, 03:46 AM) 53437</div>
3) Drag all files from the track01 iso from windows explorer into the files portion of your new nero compilation.
5) Right click/properties on the track02.wav entry, and set a FRAMES delay of 20269. Click ok, and the pause should now read 4:30.19 (not that i'm sure if it matters with ScummVM)
8) Right click your DAEMON icon in the toolbar, and make sure the Analog Audio option is checked under Options.
9) Mount the Image
10) Launch ScummVM using the command line "scummvm --cdrom=?" where ? is the number of the drive you mounted the image to (may have to use trial and error to find it, unless you know)
[/b]

3) when Fiend says "drag all files" isn't track01.iso only the one file (or does he mean the files that show up in the mounted drive which includes Loom.exe, Disk01.lec, and the 5 LFL files?). I am assuming the second, but if this is wrong, it could be why I can't get it to work.
5) I am able to set the frames delay to this number. But when I proceed to burn the image I get an error from nero that track 1 can only have a 2-3 second delay. I cannot figure out how to tell nero that I want my audio to be track 2 and my data to be track 1. I'm using Nero Expres, so possibly this is the issue?
8) When I go to the options menu of my DAEMON toolbar, Analog Audio is not a choice. I get a choice between Secure Mode, Automount, InUse Check, Autostart, Tray Icon, and Check for Updates, all of which are checked except InUse Check. I am using version 4.09 if that helps.
9) I don't understand how to mount a second file to DAEMON. As soon as I try to add the image file it kicks the iso file out of the mount. Should I be changing the settings to mount to more than one drive, or is this a problem caused by not having that audio setting checked off as mentioned in step #8?
10) I am not sure why I am having issues with this step. I have added command lines before and have never had an issue, but this time when I try to do this I get an error that it doesn't find the program scummvm. Can I have a more step-by-step approach on exactly how to accomplish this, maybe my memory is just jumbled today or something.
Thanks for any help anyone can offer!

[The Fifth Horseman]

5) I am able to set the frames delay to this number. But when I proceed to burn the image I get an error from nero that track 1 can only have a 2-3 second delay. I cannot figure out how to tell nero that I want my audio to be track 2 and my data to be track 1. I'm using Nero Expres, so possibly this is the issue?[/b]
99% so. Use Nero Burning Rom, even if just the trial version. That worked for me when I was experimenting with ripping content from the Earthsiege 2 disc (same thing in regards to putting data track before the audio tracks).

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tonya Taylor @ May 30 2007, 03:25 PM) 292152</div>
8) When I go to the options menu of my DAEMON toolbar, Analog Audio is not a choice. I get a choice between Secure Mode, Automount, InUse Check, Autostart, Tray Icon, and Check for Updates, all of which are checked except InUse Check. I am using version 4.09 if that helps.
[/b]
OK, so after further research it seems they removed the analog audio option in Daemon Tools v4. One needs to download version 3.47 instead (which is available on the same download page, just further down the list).
As far as point#5, horseman was right, using Nero Burning ROM fixed my frame # error (though using this when you are used to the cheap express program is much more complex!)
I also figured out #10 on my own
Alas, I guess I am still doing something wrong, because still no sound! :-(

[The Fifth Horseman]

3) when Fiend says "drag all files" isn't track01.iso only the one file (or does he mean the files that show up in the mounted drive which includes Loom.exe, Disk01.lec, and the 5 LFL files?). I am assuming the second, but if this is wrong, it could be why I can't get it to work.[/b]
I think that Fiend means the files in the mounted drive.

Best luck in running this game :)

[Loom player]

I just thought I'd drop a line to say that I've succeeded in getting the CD version to work with full sound in ScummVM without resorting to even making a single CD image.

This is what I did:

1) Download ScummVM (latest was 0.91 for me now) and install it
2) Download the EGA Loom from Abandonia
3) Download the CD VGA patch and the voice pack from Home of the Underdogs
4) Extract the patch and voice pack to one folder, copy in the EGA version and apply the patch
(NOTE - you don't actually need to have extracted the voice pack to do the patch - if you don't you'll actually just save time)
5) Copy the game files from the "data" folder, as left by the patch (or you could just leave them there even)
6) Copy the mp3 included in the voice pack into the folder where the game files are (you can use the mp3 as-is in the voice-pack, no decoding to wav)
7) rename the mp3 to track1.mp3
8) Run ScummVM and add a new game. Point it at the folder with the game files. Check that it identified it as loom (DOS version).

Now you can play the CD version with full music/speech. The speech and music are mixed together as a CD audio track on the original game and ScummVM is able to use an mp3 directly as the contents of this audio track! Brilliant :brain:

The only thing I will note about the CD version vs. the EGA version is that some dialog has been changed/removed from the CD version. But it looks and sounds so much better I don't think it's a bad tradeoff. Also the text sync with the voice isn't perfect. It's always either too slow or too fast and there's no good middle-ground setting for the text speed, but it's really not serious.

Enjoy!

[Demon Warlord]

Umm...just a question. Is the 30 minute audio prologue available here at Abandonia? I remember that prologue fondly.

[The Fifth Horseman]

I think that's only in the CD version. Not sure if that's the one we have here, but doubtful.

[Guest]

I downloaded the CD version, can someone help me get to get the sound to work? I really want to play. It's been like 15 years since I played this game! I LOVE IT!

[Sebatianos]

It should work best with SCUMM VM the one at the bottom (http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs).

[Guest]

Thanks a lot for the tutorial ! Let's play this game one more time, and with the soundtrack !

I have finished it at least 10 times and I still love it :-D

This is the best game ever...

[Guest]

The manual says that finishing the game at expert will unlock an extra cut-scene,someone has seen it?


Anyway very nice game!

[Icewolf]

Yes I have seen it... :max:
Believe me, it's worth the effort.
No one will spoil the result of it here... ^_^

[Tito]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Aug 31 2007, 03:04 AM) 307900</div>
The manual says that finishing the game at expert will unlock an extra cut-scene,someone has seen it?


Anyway very nice game!
[/b]

WHAT? I have to see it. :blink:

[Sebatianos]

Not worth it. It's a sceen where Bobbin reveals his hood, but you never really get to see his face.

Right... it's been so many months and server moves ago I guess the old picture is gone... I'll just get a new screenshots of it and if anybody's interested...

[Guest]

I want to see the screen!!

Sebatianos make us a favor :kosta:

[_r.u.s.s.]

spoiler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCV-5d1eTek) (he says he has finished the game on expert)

[Sebatianos]

Well, that link doesn't help any, but thre's this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HIEvcL0Tx4

It's the scene where everything flashes up and Cob is sucked into Bobbins face. Nothing special really. This acctually saved me the bother of replaying (I might still do it, just for the fun of it).

[Guest]

Thanks guys but i haven't seen the additional cut-scene...Cob death looks the same in all difficulties and also the end is the same.

[Sebatianos]

There's no flash of light in the lower levels (just a censored black screen). That's the only difference. I'll replay it and post both screenshots up (the censored and uncensored). It was somewhat dissapointing...

[_r.u.s.s.]

*wonders*<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Icewolf @ Aug 31 2007, 09:32 AM) 307914</div>Believe me, it's worth the effort.[/b]

[Sebatianos]

OK, here it is. The Practice and Standard level simply don't show it (they skip this screen after Bobbin and Cob talk about it), but the Expert level shows this - and it's the only difference (I've made a little gif animation of it).

[Tito]

Well, only that? I was expecting something new at the end. Maybe I'll play the game again just to complete it in the expert mode, but that animation isn't worth much effort.

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Icewolf @ Aug 31 2007, 08:32 AM) 307914</div>
Yes I have seen it... :max:
Believe me, it's worth the effort.
No one will spoil the result of it here... ^_^
[/b]

......... :blink:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sebatianos @ Sep 1 2007, 08:46 PM) 308241</div>
OK, here it is. The Practice and Standard level simply don't show it (they skip this screen after Bobbin and Cob talk about it), but the Expert level shows this - and it's the only difference (I've made a little gif animation of it).
[/b]


I've seen the scene also in medium difficulty,maybe my version was craked,who knows..
Anyway good work Sebastianos :kosta:

[Gary_Oak]

I can finally see it now, thanks Seb! :ok:

[Muad&#39;Dib]

It's a fantastic game, and I heard that there had been an ENHANCED version to it. Tho I don't have the link :/

[Tito]

I suppose you are refering to the CD version. I've played both and, while not completely sure, I think it has way better music and some enhanced music.

[tea3rd]

its a really good game and i found out that somebody is working on a Sequel

[Guest]

ok i downloaded the game from this website, but theres no sound. how am i supposed to play if there isnt any sound??

[TheChosen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 24 2007, 12:35 AM) 312801</div>
ok i downloaded the game from this website, but theres no sound. how am i supposed to play if there isnt any sound??
[/b]

Bare with it...or get a dosbox.

[Frodo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 24 2007, 01:35 AM) 312801</div>
ok i downloaded the game from this website, but theres no sound. how am i supposed to play if there isnt any sound??
[/b]
A lot of old adventure games work perfectly using Scumm. http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php
You will get all the sounds, as well. :ok:

[The Fifth Horseman]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 24 2007, 01:35 AM) 312801</div>
ok i downloaded the game from this website, but theres no sound. how am i supposed to play if there isnt any sound??
[/b]
Run the game in DOSBox.
A Beginner's Guide to DOSBox. (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14913)

[lazylisa]

I played this game last night. I finished it in only a few hours (even Expert mode) but despite the short length of the game I found myself really invested in the characters and the story by the time I got to the end. I wasn't expecting that, because I found it really difficult to get into at the beginning -- all the mythology and fantasy stuff was kind of hard to follow at first -- so it almost came as a surprise to me that I was actually affected by the ending and kind of bummed that it was over. Bittersweet wasn't it? Also, I found the music very atmospheric (and I didn't even have the enhanced version!).

Side note, I was reminded a bit of the "His Dark Materials" books in certain ways. All the tearing holes in the universe and stuff, and the nature of the ending (don't want to give TOO much away).

Anyway, great game... better than I was expecting. Definitely one I will remember.

[wendymaree]

I just thought I'd drop a line to say that I've succeeded in getting the CD version to work with full sound in ScummVM without resorting to even making a single CD image.

This is what I did:



This is a frustrating game to get to work in the enhanced version. I downloaded the AB version of the game; then HOTO's patches; put them all in the one folder; renamed the audio track to track1.mp3; opened SCUMM and added the game. All I ended up with was the EGA version with music but no speech track.

Btw, if anyone wants the updated HOTO adddie with the link to the 30 minute audio prologue, here it is (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=655).

[Scatty]

The VGA version of Loom, on other hand, has better graphics and plays speech if it's burned on a CD as a music track, but has no ingame music unlike the EGA version. Is there ANY version of Loom that would work normally, too? :rolleyes:

[red_avatar]

The VGA version of Loom, on other hand, has better graphics and plays speech if it's burned on a CD as a music track, but has no ingame music unlike the EGA version. Is there ANY version of Loom that would work normally, too? :rolleyes:

Well Loom was always a bit of a weird game with all its different versions. The enhanced Monkey Island version had a graphical interface and had CD music as well, but no speech. I think that they learned from Loom that people prefer music over speech - I know I do. They could have kept the midi music though.

[Vinka]

I'm not getting any sound :cry: Otherwise, GREAT game, tottaly addictive

[skite2001]

i really really like the game.
there exist 3 versions of the game and i own all:amused::
1-Floppy (EGA)
2-CD (256 colors, speech, cd-music, cut)
3-FM-Towns (256 colors, cd-music, uncut)

There are some really important differences between CD and FM-Towns versions.
some quote:

The FM-Towns version of Loom has been redrawn in 256-colour colour graphics, including character portraits, and uses the original dialogue from the floppy version with no scenes cut short (in contrast to the DOS CD-ROM version). In addition it features a digital audio soundtrack with alternate versions of tracks played (and looped) after the regular versions have finished. The game unfortunately does not feature speech.
as you see, the CD Version got no character portraits and almost all scenes are shorter (cut) then the floppy/fm-towns version. Playing the "notes" sounds much better and the background music isn't playing the whole time.

my cents so far...

[Machiavelli]

Anywhere to get the FM-Towns version? What do I need to run it? I'm currently doing it on dosbox with the ega version, i think.

[Machiavelli]

I just thought I'd drop a line to say that I've succeeded in getting the CD version to work with full sound in ScummVM without resorting to even making a single CD image.

This is what I did:

1) Download ScummVM (latest was 0.91 for me now) and install it
2) Download the EGA Loom from Abandonia
3) Download the CD VGA patch and the voice pack from Home of the Underdogs
4) Extract the patch and voice pack to one folder, copy in the EGA version and apply the patch
(NOTE - you don't actually need to have extracted the voice pack to do the patch - if you don't you'll actually just save time)
5) Copy the game files from the "data" folder, as left by the patch (or you could just leave them there even)
6) Copy the mp3 included in the voice pack into the folder where the game files are (you can use the mp3 as-is in the voice-pack, no decoding to wav)
7) rename the mp3 to track1.mp3
8) Run ScummVM and add a new game. Point it at the folder with the game files. Check that it identified it as loom (DOS version).

Now you can play the CD version with full music/speech. The speech and music are mixed together as a CD audio track on the original game and ScummVM is able to use an mp3 directly as the contents of this audio track! Brilliant :brain:

The only thing I will note about the CD version vs. the EGA version is that some dialog has been changed/removed from the CD version. But it looks and sounds so much better I don't think it's a bad tradeoff. Also the text sync with the voice isn't perfect. It's always either too slow or too fast and there's no good middle-ground setting for the text speed, but it's really not serious.

Enjoy!

I've done this and it works great. Only thing is is that the game seems kinda quiet. The music isn't playing all the time like the ega version and there aren't many "sound effects" (music meant to sound like sound effects). Voice acting is really good though, real let down with IndyJ: FoA.

[laughs and smiles]

I'm not getting any sound :cry: Otherwise, GREAT game, tottaly addictive


Haha! Same here!!! I owned a talkie version at a certain point, but I did not really enjoy that much (dialogs were brutal!!!!!! :p)....

Stumbled accross it yesterday after a long time and have been playing on and off all the time!!!!

[Akira]

Am just wondering, am I the only one who can't find an exit/quit game option? I've pretty much pressed all of the keys on my keyboard (I found the save/load options and figured how to pause it) and even combined some of them with Ctrl, but I still can't get out of the game without Ctrl-Alt-Deleting and removing it from my tasks... Is there another way, or no?

I finished this within a few hours on the "novice" level and plan on trying the other difficulties too ^_^ Awesome game!:love: My mum's friend lent it to us when I was little, but my mum wouldn't let my sisters or I play it :( It makes me sad that this entire time we were totally missing out!

[dosraider]

Alt-X or CTRL-C says the quick ref card (downloadable in PDF format on game sheet)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3571/loomsv6.th.png (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loomsv6.png)

[Johnny_Boy]

Alt-X or CTRL-C says the quick ref card (downloadable in PDF format on game sheet)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3571/loomsv6.th.png (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loomsv6.png)

I don't know if anyone still checks this thread, but I recently discovered SCUMMvm and am rediscovering those grand old LucasArts games, such as the Secret of Monkey Island and Loom.

About Loom, I downloaded the game off of this site which is the EGA version (its officially abandonware, right?), and I realized soon after that there are a few other versions too.

I've done research, and the one I'd like to play the most would be the FM-Towns version.

Does anyone here have that? If so, could they be so kind as to upload/host it? It'd be greatly appreciated! I've only just played the beginning of Loom, and I've already fallen in love with it.

[Johnny_Boy]

I'd also like to add that I have found and downloaded a VGA version of the game. These are the files...

000.LFL
901.LFL
902.LFL
903.LFL
904.LFL
Disk01.lec
Loom - Application File

... and it plays on SCUMMvm, but with no sound or music whatsoever. I don't know if its the VGA of the FM-Towns or if its the VGA of the talking version.

Also, I noticed that the EGA version which I got from this site has MANY more files, so I'm also wondering if this VGA version is a demo or something.

Also, if this is the full game, then, to have sound, do I have to just go and download the soundtrack? I've tried going to Home of the Underdogs for the patches but the site is inaccessible for some reason.\

And if there's no solution I'll be content playing the EGA :P.

[Johnny_Boy]

Actually, I take back what I said. Yesterday I downloaded and listened to the Loom audio drama, and now I would really like to play the voiced over version.

Does anybody here have or know where to get the talkie version?

[_r.u.s.s.]

it's not a demo version, it's just that vga version was stuffed in these few files unlike ega version that's on website. and it seems that you apparently got loom rip, without any sounds or what'sover, it's missing file "track1.ogg"

there you go, full talkie vga loom (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KV3QEZIZ). play in scummvm (or dosbox if you have the excutable)

[Johnny_Boy]

it's not a demo version, it's just that vga version was stuffed in these few files unlike ega version that's on website. and it seems that you apparently got loom rip, without any sounds or what'sover, it's missing file "track1.ogg"

there you go, full talkie vga loom (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KV3QEZIZ). play in scummvm (or dosbox if you have the excutable)

Ah, thank you so much man! It works fine. I'm using Scummvm with it. I greatly appreciate this! You rock!

[Erich Zann]

Loom's the best game ever made (along with Secret of Monkey Island and Master of Magic).
Awesome music, awesome atmosphere, awesome setting, awesome story, awesome gameplay concept... Pure magic.

Haven't read through the topic so I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but a fan-made sequel's been working on : http://www.apeirongames.de/
Time will tell.

[Saccade]

I've cracked the Dosbox/Boxer version of the VGA release - with music or speech - along with the FM-TOWNS ScummVM version.
And the Amiga.

I haven't found this sold anywhere.
But it's not my job to look.

[Da_Duke2000]

Myself and a Team are working on Forge, the Loom Sequel. Our board can be found here if anyone is interested:
http://forgedemo.proboards.com/

Its an active production and we welcome questions about the project. Hope to see some of you there.

On a side note, I have all 3 Versions of Loom (EGA/VGA/FM Towns) for direct download if anyone would like.

[riccso]

A fanmade Loom sequel? :thumbs:
Good luck,can't wait until it's done!

[Saccade]

I haven't really heard any mention in the game review or the thread that we have the Audio Drama of Loom available on Abandonia Frequency...

^is mentioned.

[ALPHATT]

I bought this game on steam. At first i had no idea what's going on, then I clicked the manual button in steam and I found the manual. It's not needed, but it's a fun and effective way to keep track of your spells and get some extra story. Armed with the manual and a digital pen I started playing this game and I must say it is one of the most enchanting games I've ever played.:OK: (The one sold on steam is the talkie version, the voice acting is top notch for a 1990 games, so definitely check it out)

EDIT: Actually i found out that it isn't the manual itself but rather the Book of Patterns. I'm really glad lucasarts uploaded this as the manual and not the actual manual.

[Arbok]

I bought this game on steam. At first i had no idea what's going on, then I clicked the manual button in steam and I found the manual. It's not needed, but it's a fun and effective way to keep track of your spells and get some extra story. Armed with the manual and a digital pen I started playing this game and I must say it is one of the most enchanting games I've ever played.:OK: (The one sold on steam is the talkie version, the voice acting is top notch for a 1990 games, so definitely check it out)

EDIT: Actually i found out that it isn't the manual itself but rather the Book of Patterns. I'm really glad lucasarts uploaded this as the manual and not the actual manual.

yhea!!
I really love this game, its just perfect, i still have it in 5 or 6 5/12 disks :p

[Guest]

Hey, what's up with the Editor Rating? Only a 3.0 despite the review ending with:

All in all, the game is a masterpiece, made by professional artists, and because of this it shouldn't be missed, even though it'll cost you a little (the game is protected!). It was made in the golden days of Lucasfilm Games/Lucasarts, in the era of games such as Monkey Island, Sam and Max, Full Throttle, and many more... It definitely deserves 5 points.

A mistake?

[Tracker]

Hey, what's up with the Editor Rating? Only a 3.0 despite the review ending with:



A mistake?

You mispelled injustice. :(

EDIT: Aaand... cookies to Guest, because the mistake was fixed at last!

Thanks! :)

[Chris]

Hey, what's up with the Editor Rating? Only a 3.0 despite the review ending with:



A mistake?

This is one of my all-time favourites. It seems the editor's rating has been corrected to a well deserved 5 meanwhile. :3:

Maybe the editor's rating could be replaced by a staff-rating in general. The result would be a well founded average based on the opinion of numerous classic game enthusiats, not a snapshot of one person's view the particular moment when the review was written.

Just an idea..

[TheChosen]

Naw, thats what the user votes are for.

[phantom_pl]

Hey

Does anybody have a Roland upgrade patch (loomup.exe)?
It is neither unavailable for download form LucasArts ftp, nor from any other place on the web :(.

[MSDOS4Ever]

E C E D.
Those four letters will always have a meaning to me, and that is Loom.
Never have I played a game as wonderful as this.

[kindred]

Hey

Does anybody have a Roland upgrade patch (loomup.exe)?
It is neither unavailable for download form LucasArts ftp, nor from any other place on the web :(.

Here is the Roland patch if anyone still needs it.:smile2:

https://www.dosnostalgia.com/?p=548