Might and Magic 4 and 5 - World Of Xeen

[The Fifth Horseman]

Has a decision been made to put M&M3 on the abandonia server yet?[/b] Most likely it's already been reviewed. However, there are several other steps between that and placement on the server.

No worries, the updaters will get round to it in a short while. Just have some patience.

[Bubster]

Hi,

at first, thanks for the game. :)

And at second, does there exist a reference card for or an overview about the weapons? For example, I can´t decide whether to take a sabre or a broad sword, because I don´t know which one is stronger...

Greetings

[kmonster]

Just have a merchant identify both. I'd save before since visiting a merchant takes one day.

Or visit the might and magic WoX shrine at www.rpgclassics.com.

[x5wins]

Hi all. I flippin used to the love this game and blame almost failing out of the 6th grade on it. But I need help. I have no clue how to make it work after downloading it. I'm not familiar with dosbox or mounting or anything of that nature. If someone would give me a few tips to walk me along I would very much appreciate it... I NEED TO SAVE XEEN!

thanks!

[The Fifth Horseman]

You might want to check out the official DosBox FAQ (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php), and particularly this part of it. (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=Basic+Setup+and+Installation+of+Dos Box) It is quite helpful for users unfamiliar with DosBox.

And don't forget your readme file - it has a lot of info too.

[inxanadu]

Hi all ,
Can anyone help with this game I cannot leave the first town, I have tried looking at the Manual posted for the Password it asks for but they do not seem to work, I have also tried to use The Go.bat file to use the Crack included but it still asks me for a password, Any help would be most welcome as i played this games when it first came out and would love to play it again, I hope they put iup Xeen 3 and sword of Xeen as well as there both great games, I love these old games the ones today are just to complecated.

Thanks in advance for any help

Inxanadu

[The Fifth Horseman]

When running the game with a crack, just press "Enter" on the protection query. Should bypass it.

[inxanadu]

Hi,
just tried that and it just keeps asking for the password? however just noticed that my save game is Darkoo1 is that correct ? or should it be world001?

Thanks

Inxanadu

[The Fifth Horseman]

World of Xeen is a combination of Clouds of Xeen and Darkside of Xeen. Are you sure you're running the right game?

[inxanadu]

Hi,
Not sure should should i be loading Clouds or Darkside.?

Inxanadu

[Elward]

Download the game from here (http://antiochforever.com/files/members/Endarire/WoX/) and read Keywords.pdf.

-EE

[inxanadu]

Hi,
Thanks for the info and download site sorry for not replying sooner but i work 16 hour nights 5pm to 9am will give it a try I downloaded the manual for Clouds, Darkside and World but none of them seemed to work, I am really looking forward to playing the game againI just hope the other xeen titles go onto Abandonia for download.

Thanks again for the help and info

Inxanadu

[Guest_Someone_*]

Hi, Im having trouble finding the dwarf king... ive gone through all of dwarf mines 1-5 and BOTH deep mines, alpha and theta. can anyone tell me where this guy is? :ph34r:

[kmonster]

In deep mine omega. There are more than two deep mines, didn't you find a hint for the next deep mine while exploring ?

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM) 269905</div>
didn't you find a hint for the next deep mine while exploring ?
[/b]
No....

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest_yog_* @ Oct 10 2006, 04:45 PM) 260491</div>
Hi there
Pls help me if possible.
I am playing Clouds of Xeen , but my right hand hero - Cleric
who is 88 years old starts to die without any battle.
All others are 88 years old but still healthy.
I ressurect him but after 1-2 minutes he again died.
Whats wrong?
My party is about 7-8 level already.
More over I have 2 cheats , but they do not work.
If volunteers available I am ready to transfer them above cheats.

Of course my deepest thanks to all members who helperd me.
:)
Thankful yog
:kosta:
[/b]
theyre 88 yrs old and only lvl7 or 8? im lvl 9 or 10 and all my people are 20!

[Guest]

I was wondering, how do you get the count to fight you in Nightshadow? I can't get his coffin open, its shut by some light blue runes >.<

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Dec 3 2006, 03:16 PM) 270019</div>
I was wondering, how do you get the count to fight you in Nightshadow? I can't get his coffin open, its shut by some light blue runes >.<
[/b]
nm

[yoga]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Dec 3 2006, 03:08 PM) 270017</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest_yog_* @ Oct 10 2006, 04:45 PM) 260491
Hi there
Pls help me if possible.
I am playing Clouds of Xeen , but my right hand hero - Cleric
who is 88 years old starts to die without any battle.
All others are 88 years old but still healthy.
I ressurect him but after 1-2 minutes he again died.
Whats wrong?
My party is about 7-8 level already.
More over I have 2 cheats , but they do not work.
If volunteers available I am ready to transfer them above cheats.

Of course my deepest thanks to all members who helperd me.
:)
Thankful yog
:kosta:
[/b]
theyre 88 yrs old and only lvl7 or 8? im lvl 9 or 10 and all my people are 20!
[/b][/quote]

Hi, guest,
May I dare ask YOU to send me your last save file to
[BEEEP]@gmail.com ?
Pls pls.
TY
and one tip from yog-
No matter in which town you are- write onto the mirror shangri-la . The game will teleport you in this town.
Let all party members drink from the well. Their level will be increased by 1. Then use the magic Loyd's beacon and back to vertigo or rivercity or asp or night shadow.

[The Fifth Horseman]

I'm sorry, but posting e-mail adresses in open text is not allowed on this forum.

If you want to share a savegame file with others, know that registered users of this forum can use attachments in the Game Discussion forum.

[Ocean]

Yog, your story is unique! I don't believe it. :blink:

How about exchange: your save for my end-WoX(250 lvl, 121 day) save?

[Residue]

Hey Everyone,

I've just got into playing "Worlds of Xeen" after first tinkering with it years and years and years ago. Now thanks to great information out on the web, I'm having a great time of it.

I've got a question! :sos:

Does anyone know what the Stats equate to? For example, what does a Might of 18 equate to in turns of + to hit/damage... or what does +9 Fire Resistance equate to?

Any help would be appreciated! :ok:

[Elward]

I'm unsure what the stats give, but a resistance means that damage is reduced by that amount. Fire resist 8 nullifies the first 8 points of fire damage per attack.

-EE

[Residue]

Thanks Elward!

So, I guess for resistance the higher the better... and better to spread all resistances across characters making sure those with the lowest HP get an extra bit.

I also found out more about stats but now don't really know which is which. Well, mostly I do but I can't work out which is the 'to hit' number or which raises AC or what exactly 'accuracy' and 'luck' are. :w00t:

The table should be down below as an attachment (since I couldn't work out how to do a table in here!)

I can't vouch for the table as it was something I found on the web.

Any help understanding stats would be appreciated!

[kmonster]

Elward is wrong with his guess, elemental resistance doesn't substract from the damage you get.
The caster level dependent displayed values you get from the "Protection from elements" spell are subtracted from the damage.
The elemental resistances affect the damage you take in combination with the "Luck" stat (it's even a tavern hint in MM3, 4 or 5), they might even work against attack of the specific element exactly like AC against physical attacks.

I don't know where you got your table from, Residue, but I'm sure it's not a table for WoX.
The stats which start the next better value are 3,5,... ,19,21,25,30,35,40,50,75,100,...,225,250.
One raise to the next better con value gives an extra HP per level for example, the rise to 250 (perfect) might even grant the triple bonus (only verified it in MM3).
You see that little stat differences matter a lot in the beginning but nearly nothing later when all stats have been raised above 50.

You can take a look at the very well made shrines for MM3 and WoX at www.rpgclassics.com, not much was changed from MM3 to WoX.
They copied one manual error however, barbarians are far superior to knights (and any other class) regarding physical combat because they gain extra attacks much faster. Often the barbarian can do considerable damage to monsters the others can't even scratch.

[Blazkowicz]

so i just decided to play this wonderful game again; arrived at castle burlock after some hours, climbed the east tower and suddenly recognized something I can´t remember from the times I played the game before#

so my question is, does it have any meaning, that a third reich swastika was included in the game? ;)

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/601/01052007012316lh1.jpg

[Guest]

?s there a way to replenish spell points without resting ?

[NickTheGreek]

Spell points vs Time is the most important element of the game : if you have spell points you can endure battles for ever

now, is there a way to restore spell points without rest ?

The only one i have found is by getting levels

[yoga]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ocean @ Dec 26 2006, 01:46 AM) 272513</div>
Yog, your story is unique! I don't believe it. :blink:

How about exchange: your save for my end-WoX(250 lvl, 121 day) save?
[/b]

Hi,
Well, well,
Sry because I started again Clouds of Xeen , the save files with dying hero were lost.
Now I know my mistake : Being starving for money I worked in Rivercity for 100 credits per week=
This way my heroes aged very quickly.
Now I follow the path of 4 druids and my gang is 32 years old.
..New problem occurs: How to find the credits in The temple of Yak? Where the keys for some places like
The tomb of 1000 Terrors. I need 3 credits ASAP because my stats are 15 levels and I am unable to reach more- had to start construction of Newcastle.
Ty all good ones.
:sos:

[thatmexicanguy]

Well, you can replesnish SP by drinking from certain wells.

I'd also like to add that this is a really fun RPG! Thanks for putting it up, guys!

[NickTheGreek]

KEYS:
Yak - You get when u first enter Newcastle


Golem Dungeon - Second time you enter Newcastle


Tower of High Magic - Cave of Illusion ( 300 gems on the skull )

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 06:05 AM) 259502</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 03:39 AM) 259486
Hi,

I have tried to play this game. But everytime (in the very beginning of the game) when I go to the tarven and "Sign In", the game would hang. I suspect it will be the same whenever I visit blacksmith or whatever shops.

I have tried playing with VDM sound (on go.bat) and had tried Dosbox (with and without sound). But it always hang at the same place. BTW, my laptop is running xp.

Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
[/b]

Erm, nevermind. Problem solved :P
[/b][/quote]

Please do tell how! I have the same problem...

[Jay]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 7 2007, 10:22 PM) 273753</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 06:05 AM) 259502
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 5 2006, 03:39 AM) 259486
Hi,

I have tried to play this game. But everytime (in the very beginning of the game) when I go to the tarven and "Sign In", the game would hang. I suspect it will be the same whenever I visit blacksmith or whatever shops.

I have tried playing with VDM sound (on go.bat) and had tried Dosbox (with and without sound). But it always hang at the same place. BTW, my laptop is running xp.

Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks!
[/b]

Erm, nevermind. Problem solved :P
[/b][/quote]

Please do tell how! I have the same problem...
[/b][/quote]


I'm not the original poster, but I too had this problem. What worked for me was to deactivate sound in the DOSBox config file. "sbtype=none" Having sound would have been better, but I tried a bunch of different settings and that's the only way I could get it to run. No sound = No problems.

[yoga]

The last Battle:

Hi there,

May I dare ask for help because more than 3 days I am unable to kill Lord Xeen.
Info :
All my heroes are pumped-up and protected by Days of Protection.
The levels are 16-19.
I have the special Xeen Slayer. Note: I get it by cheat – writing in the mirror “I lost it”. I know the enemy is with HP 500 and AC 20.
Well, my dream became true. Here we go –
The ugly sphere like Lord versus brave yog.
The monster is very fast , but yog strike with Star Burst.No result.
Then one by one all my heroes beat it.
No result . Soon one hero became Eradicated. I heal with the magic Divine intervention , no result. So , after 3-4 round yog is down.
Why? Where I failed?
Some say I had to unshield my hero with the Slayer?

Pls Help me , I play the game about 5 years.

Ty
:kosta:

[kmonster]

Set a beacon near Lord Xeen. Start your buffing tour at 5 am in Nightshadow. Use all fountains in the cities, and even others. Gain 10 temporary levels in Nightshadow, get +50 str in Winterkill, get luck in Rivercity, ....
Use the town mirrors to get to town wells fast, you can use "Teleport" and "jump" to save time if you also need wells outside the cities, maybe you'll find one which increase resistance vs the element Lord Xeen is attacking with (I don't remember which it was). Don't press the space key after drinking to save time.

Buff up your party before the confrontation, "Day of Protection" and "Day of Sorcery" are must have (Don't buff before you gained the 10 levels however)

Only the "Xeen Slayer Sword" (can be found in your dungeon) can hurt Lord Xeen, you can trade the sword around so everyone can attack with it when it it is his turn.

To make your party stronger you can gain XP in the Arena if you want, fighting the maximum possible number of level 9 monsters yields the most XP (Don't forget to buff up however, cast "protection from poison" after "day of protection"). You can only have 99 arena wins, so if you also have "Darkside of Xeen" installed leave some fights for the darkside arena. But in this case you'd better gain fast and easy XP by doing the easier quests on darkside.

Another option to gain experience is exploring the lava sea and the dungeons there if you haven't done it yet. With 10 temporary extra levels, protection from fire, shield, luck and temporary raised fire resistance you should be able to absorb most of the fire damage. But you can still investigate the dragon and vulcano cave after defeating Lord Xeen who shouldn't be too hard for a fully prepared party.

[yoga]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Jan 10 2007, 05:57 PM) 274204</div>
Set a beacon near Lord Xeen. Start your buffing tour at 5 am in Nightshadow. Use all fountains in the cities, and even others. Gain 10 temporary levels in Nightshadow, get +50 str in Winterkill, get luck in Rivercity, ....
Use the town mirrors to get to town wells fast, you can use "Teleport" and "jump" to save time if you also need wells outside the cities, maybe you'll find one which increase resistance vs the element Lord Xeen is attacking with (I don't remember which it was). Don't press the space key after drinking to save time.

Buff up your party before the confrontation, "Day of Protection" and "Day of Sorcery" are must have (Don't buff before you gained the 10 levels however)

Only the "Xeen Slayer Sword" (can be found in your dungeon) can hurt Lord Xeen, you can trade the sword around so everyone can attack with it when it it is his turn.

To make your party stronger you can gain XP in the Arena if you want, fighting the maximum possible number of level 9 monsters yields the most XP (Don't forget to buff up however, cast "protection from poison" after "day of protection"). You can only have 99 arena wins, so if you also have "Darkside of Xeen" installed leave some fights for the darkside arena. But in this case you'd better gain fast and easy XP by doing the easier quests on darkside.

Another option to gain experience is exploring the lava sea and the dungeons there if you haven't done it yet. With 10 temporary extra levels, protection from fire, shield, luck and temporary raised fire resistance you should be able to absorb most of the fire damage. But you can still investigate the dragon and vulcano cave after defeating Lord Xeen who shouldn't be too hard for a fully prepared party.
[/b]


Ty.
I will follow yr detailed instructions=
Btw I increased my heroes levels as follow:
17, 18, 20, 18, 18 from left to right.
I wipe out old moving creatures in, under and over the land of Xeen.
I will prepare better and will try again .
Of course I will do my report
yog the gamer

[Ryan_1729]

Ok, when I download it then try to extract, it says an error occurred. I have downloaded it several with the same result. Would the problem be the extraction program, or is it on your end?

After hearing all the positive comments on this (very long :blink: ) thread I really want to play this game! :hairpull:

[songnar]

As it happens, yes, the WORLD of XEEN was re-released for a short time with speechification and all that whatnot <the speech was the only change> in a package deal that included MM's 5, 6, 7 and 8 as well as the sword of xeen(an expansion on MM 5)

[yoga]

Hi, there,

I very strictly followed the above instructions before the final battle against lord Xeen.

Details: I have 200 000 credits and about 4000 gems.
My party is well equipped and healthy.
All members have Slayer Xeen Sword.
The levels are 17 – 20 depending of the heroes.
I am able to kill 7-8 opponents in Arena zone. All other enemies ( except some) in lava dungeon are dead.
..Well, I buff up my party with all options available after the guidelines of well respected mate Kmonster.
May I dare to present my deeds and actions.Ty.
.. Carefully watching the time I use my Loyds Beckon and arrive before the door after which is waiting Xeen. Save. Spell Day of protection. Ready. One step ahead.
The ugly sphere-like monster appeared and imm. attacks me. All alive. Teleport 2 steps to reach it. It again strikes me. Still all alive. Then is my turn. I am using the sword but no effect visible. I know it is 500 HP, 20 AC and has terrible magic. The battle continued.
Strange – I beat it several times with this sword, but I do not see the red flashes onto Xeen , meaning I really harm the lord , and it does not redden. ( All other enemies after some strikes became red and soon died. It is correct?). After its third strike some of my heroes died ( they became skeleton-blue-like ). Sadly the magic against this condition failed. I am upset and soon I am down.
Well I will try again and again, but why I am loosing? I think I am good gamer and I do beat millions of monsters in many games.

So, I started the next game – Dark side - . Is it possible to play this game and after a while to go back and kill the lord?

Pls excuse me in advance for my detailed explanation of the game.

Any help welcomed

yog

[NickTheGreek]

Have you used the XEEN Sword, forged after building up Newcastle ?

[yoga]

Oh,
NO, I am the stupid one :((.
I faced the mirror in Vertigo and wrote :
- I lost it - ( this is advice from cheats )- This way I received the Xeen Slayer sword. Probably it is fake :((
Rats!! Now all is lost. How , the hell, I was so stupid.
.. Evharisto , Nick.
Now I know the reason. Sadly I am unable to restore the matters.

Well, I started Darkside. May I return after a while , being in Darkside and kill lord Xeen?

yog from small, sunny and lovely Bulgaria,

[NickTheGreek]

follow the walkthrough for XEEN and kill him with the original sword forged in Newcastle

[kmonster]

I don't think it's a problem with the sword.
Does the color which displays Lord Xeen stays green all the time or do you manage to get it to yellow when you first hurt him ?
Maybe your characters are not strong enough to hurt him considerably, but a fully buffed level 28 barbarian (thanks to the +10 levels well) should be able to kill him with 2-3 hits with the sword.
If you have "World of Xeen" you can switch between "clouds" and "darkside" anytime you want and can face Lord Xeen even with a level 80 party or so.
You need to kill Lord Xeen in order to get access to the WoX areas, if he's invincible because of a bug you cannot access them after finishing darkside.

[yoga]

Hi, there,

After 3-4 attempts and 3-4 years gaming with Clouds
and after my failures with well-pumped heroes ( 28 levels) , and
Original Xeen Slayer ( not from cheat mirror )
I think my game has a bug , so I started Darkside.
.. Here I am 13 level with same heroes but this Killer Cobra
make me very upset ( It's 800 Hp ),still I am unable to kill
the Cobra. I try to kill Cobra being in the river but it's very
clever and doesnt approach the river.
I am in Sandcaster town and make any attenpts to increase
my level but enemies are still very strong for me.

:brain:

[Guest]

Yog7, did you clear Castleview's and Sandcaster's sewers? What about completing Ellinger's and the Great Southern Towers? Ensure you have enough money for a new load of spells including Implosion, Mass Distortion, and Lightning Bolt.

-EE

[yoga]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Feb 12 2007, 10:29 PM) 278991</div>
Yog7, did you clear Castleview's and Sandcaster's sewers? What about completing Ellinger's and the Great Southern Towers? Ensure you have enough money for a new load of spells including Implosion, Mass Distortion, and Lightning Bolt.

-EE
[/b]

Hi, Guest,
Yes, I cleared the both sewers - Castleview and Sandcaster. Well, I killed these
terrible Killer Cobra - about 12-13 pieces. Now my levels are 16-17.Nice.
I have enough money, friend, but I need more powerfull spells like Implosion etc.
But , sadly, I do not find where in Sandcaster is Membership office?
So I am unable to buy more spells and kill these last 3 Magicians at 3-th level of Soutehrn
Towers and take the Jewel of Ages , because my heroes getting older and older.
Hope You understand how difficult is my situation.
Any help welcome.
Yog

[kmonster]

Guild membership should be available at 18,10.
The Jewel of Ages is in the eastern tower btw.

[yoga]

Hi, Kmonster,
Ty for yr valuable remarks.
--------------------------------------------------------
Guild membership should be available at 18,10.
The Jewel of Ages is in the eastern tower btw.
--------------------------------------------------------
Yes , I mistaked for the tower. You are right.The tower is the Eastern one.

I know the location 18,10 . But when I click on the scene, = You had to be member here to buy spells ..= text appeared. Once again - I want to find membership office to became member of the guild and then buy more powerful spells. Am I clear enough now? Playing about 4 years Clouds and now World I am quite familiar with the way how to buy spells.

One new question if YOU please:
- I entered the Western tower ( it is in Giant area , but I am unable to open the door at the 1 level , even with 100 Mgt )I try to open with strong leg kick , in vain. Where is my fault , Kmonster?
btw do YOU know how to change the place of one of my heroes in the order- for example far right male to became far left one or some?

At last I want to note - the game is very, very hard when starting from zero. But you know my unhappy moments with my bugged version of Clouds , when I was unable to kill the nasty Lord Xeen and to start World , using all my experience,money, spells and so on by Clouds.

[kmonster]

Strange. The membership should be available at 18/10 while the guild is at 18/22. Maybe you have to face another direction.
I don't remember having difficulty with doors in the Towers, usually my thief just picked the locks.
Only secret doors need bashing. I guess you already know that strength can be increased temporary by drinking from certain wells and that the strength of the first two characters is important.
I don't remember how to change character positions but it was quite simple, maybe just just drawing the pictures with the mouse or using one of the keys F1-F12.
If you are desperate you could just visit an inn and dismiss and rejoin until the party order is complete. This costs a day though.
If you still can't get past that door you might as well explore the other areas first, maybe those doors are so hard to open in order to keep you from facing enemies beyond your level.

MM5 is quite hard the first time with a newly created instead of MM4 party, but you'll improve over time. If you start a new WoX game after beating both parts you'll have a far easier time with the gained knowledge. Do you play adventurer or warrior mode ?

I recommend downloading the official MM5 cluebook from www.replacementdocs.com, maybe there's a better description of Sandcaster and the northern tower near the giants. www.gamefaqs.com and the MM5 shrine at www.rpgclassics.com can also yield very valuable information.

[Guest]

I'm looking for the CD version of this game, but I can't find it anywere... That's sad, I really want to play this chapter of the series =(

A torrent would be a good idea to preserve this old classic !!! There's torrents for all M&M versions but this one...

[The Fifth Horseman]

A torrent would be a good idea to preserve this old classic !!![/b]

Since this game is Abandoned, this means an ISO may be placed in the ISO forum. However, that part of the site is accessible only to registered users (and then there is a small postquota requirement).

No torrents, though.

[Guest]

Hi all. I've been looking all over the web for this for several years (since 2000 when I lost my WoX CDs) and I can't believe that I've finally found a download for it! Thanks folks.

Just wondering though, how do I get the game to run in an OS like Win95? I remember in the past I had to reboot in DOS mode and enter a lot of commands, but I can't remember them at all. Some help would really be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Xeenslayer (yes, that's my alias on the net which I've been using since 2001)

[The Fifth Horseman]

If you reboot into DOS mode to play the game, you really only need two commands - DIR and CD - the rest just aren't needed for such a limited application.

What OS do you have now? You might be better off using DosBox to run the game.

[Daneic]

I had the CD version, but they are lost now :(. I guess the normal version is better than nothing, but I miss the voices and sounds from the cd-version.

[Guest]

Hi, Fifth_Horseman. I am currently on WinXP. Will DosBox do the trick on it? I had an old Win95 system which ran my WoX CD fine. After I lost the discs, I stopped playing for a long time and totally forgot the DOS commands. When I bought the M&M Millenium Collection a few years ago, I tried to run WoX on both old and new systems, but neither worked.

Xeenslayer

[RyuRanX]

I've played it on Dosbox 0.63 some time ago, but the sound was a little choppy. I haven't tested on newer versions, maybe its better now, expecially on the upcoming 0.66 (some people say its much faster and stable, I hope so !!!)

BTW, does it wok on VDMSound?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Hi, Fifth_Horseman. I am currently on WinXP. Will DosBox do the trick on it? I had an old Win95 system which ran my WoX CD fine. After I lost the discs, I stopped playing for a long time and totally forgot the DOS commands. When I bought the M&M Millenium Collection a few years ago, I tried to run WoX on both old and new systems, but neither worked.[/b]
If you've got Windows XP, then DosBox should be just the thing for you. It might seem a little complex at first, but you shouldn't have any problem learning to operate it. You can download the latest version here (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/download.php?main=1).

You might want to check out the official DosBox FAQ (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php), and particularly this part of it. (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=Basic+Setup+and+Installation+of+Dos Box) It is quite helpful for users unfamiliar with DosBox. I suggest you also read the pages about command line (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=CommandLine), internal programs (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=Internal+Programs) (very important!) and the config file (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?page=dosbox.conf).

Norton Commander works nicely in DosBox (you can snatch a copy from our programs page (http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs)), and there are also a few dedicated frontend programs (though I don't advise using them - they've been known to cause incompatibility with some games).

[Guest]

Anyone know where I can find a download of Might and Magic III - Isles of Terra? Im not having much luck finding it.

Thanks!


+++MERGED+++

When I run the game during the into scene the music is so loud compared to the voices I cant hear the voices enough to understand them. Anyone else have this issue?


+++MERGED+++

I changed the sound settings to sound blaster pro for all sounds and that fixed it.

Still wondering if anyone knows where to find Might and Magic III download. ??

[The Fifth Horseman]

Might & Magic III is abandonware, and an archive has been uploaded to the server a long while ago.
If you want to get it so badly, register on the forum and apply for reviewing it.

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Mar 13 2007, 02:07 PM) 283408</div>
Might & Magic III is abandonware, and an archive has been uploaded to the server a long while ago.
If you want to get it so badly, register on the forum and apply for reviewing it.
[/b]

So If I register, I can get it from an archive location? I finally registered, but cant activate my acct until I get home. I have used this site alot, and I think I donated to it once, but was just too lazy to register.

Thanks.

[The Fifth Horseman]

So If I register, I can get it from an archive location?[/b]
Not exactly. Explanation is waiting for you in the thread you (I assume it's you) posted in the Requests forum.

[Guest]

Hi again Fifth_Horseman. I managed to get WoX to work on DosBox 0.70, but I haven't actually gotten down to playing it yet.

A few things first... surprisingly, music etc were ok. However, I can't seem to get the Darkside intro to work. The screen freezes after it zooms in on Dragon Pharoah's spaceship, but the music carries on. Hitting Esc doesn't help, so I have to Ctrl-F9 to kill DosBox. Also, the Clouds of Xeen intro stops at Crodo's speech. Just after he introduces himself, his voice is cut off and the screen just doesn't progress. Music continues though. For this one, I can hit Esc to enter the game.

Another thing is... I copied my old game saves over into the WoX directory. They were saved with my original WoX CDs and are either XEENxx.WOX or DARKxx.WOX, where "xx" is a number. However, when I fire up the game in DosBox and try to load a game, it tells me that there aren't any saves. How do I get WoX to recognise my transferred saves?

Thanks,
Xeenslayer

[Guest]

Sorry to double-post, but I've got another question... do I have to install the game through install.exe or can I just run it straight off like that?

[The Fifth Horseman]

If you experience the sort of sound issues you described, that means something is wrong with the sound setup.
Running Install is recommended in that case - please make sure you configure the game to use Sound Blaster 16, IRQ 7, DMA 1, Adress 220 h.
If no option for Sound Blaster 16 is present, use Sound Blaster Pro 2 (or "plain" Pro) instead.

Another thing is... I copied my old game saves over into the WoX directory. They were saved with my original WoX CDs and are either XEENxx.WOX or DARKxx.WOX, where "xx" is a number. However, when I fire up the game in DosBox and try to load a game, it tells me that there aren't any saves. How do I get WoX to recognise my transferred saves?[/b]
All I can think of is that maybe the game uses it's own formula for naming savegames, in which case you might have to rename the savegame files to match it. Can't help you more with that.

[Guest]

Hi again, and thanks for the quick reply. I figured out that renaming the saves to .SAV does the trick, and the game saves run perfectly fine. Also, installing with SB Pro instead of SB resolves the intro issues. Thanks. :) Only minor problem now is that the music is so soft it's hardly audible.

Now, technicalities aside... onto the game itself. I have cleared the whole of Clouds and almost all of Darkside, yet I'm still only at level 62 max. I don't have enough money to continue training (at Kalindra's Castle), so I'm stuck at Dragon Pharaoh's pyramid, with all those powerful dragons to fight.

I've read over here that keeping your gold in the bank produces interest?... I never knew that, so how does it work? Do gems yield interest too, because I'm really running short of them and have no means of getting more.

[kmonster]

What's your party composition ?

Level 62 is quite high considering that you can also gain 15 temporary levels from the shrine in the desert on darkside. Besides the wells which grant temporary HP, SP and other stat increases especially temporarily raised luck and resistance against the element the dragons are attacking with are important. It's also important to cast protection from those elements after day of protection.

The standard tactic if it gets too hard somewhere is exploring other areas first, like the dragon and vulcano cave on the cloud side which can only be accessed by walking across the lava.

To earn gold and gems you can visit the mines on darkside and dig for gems. You can use save and reload to improve what you get. When they are all empty pay 250,000 GP to the "God of Minerals" (Cave entrance C2 6/9) for refilling them.
For the emeralds and other kind of stones found have the blacksmith make an armor, enforce to get the most valuable one by reloading. If you have gained a bunch of plate armors this way you can sell them, a character with merchant skill should get far more than 100,000 for each of them.
This can be repeated endlessly if desired.

[Guest]

Hi kmonster. My party is the default party that the game starts off with (paladin, knight, ranger, robber, cleric, sorceror). I have cleared all of clouds, which also includes all the caves and lairs. There is one, however, which I don't think I cleared. It's the one with the screamers, which I found really hard to beat. I killed a lot of them but I don't remember clearing the dungeon.

I will try clearing out the Great Pyramid (whatever it's called, I forgot) once more after getting the +2500HP bonus from the fountain at the lava-area. But even so, it's quite troublesome going around getting all the bonuses and going back to the pyramid to fight, isn't it?

Also, I've read of people easily hitting level 250... 62 really looks puny in comparison. I could try selling diamond plate armour to raise funds for training, but... You haven't told me how I could get more gems. Casting spells costs a lot of gems, and making ruby/emerald/sapphire/diamond equipment requires a lot of gems too. IIRC creating a diamond armour requires 10000 gems, and I definitely don't have so much.

[kmonster]

You get the gems the same way you get ruby/emerald/sapphire/diamond stones required for the armors. At the best locations in the mines you can 5 stones but you can also get you get about 1000 gems instead. To enforce getting more gems you can reload everytime you get 1 or 5 stones until you get enough gems instead.

It's troublesome having to buff up your party, but you only have to do it once a day. If you choose the buffing order (I'd start at 5 am at the shrine in the desert which grants +15 levels) and use spells like Teleport and Lloyd's beacon wisely you'll have more than 20 hours totally buffed up to explore the pyramids.
That's a lot considering that an indoor action takes only 1 minute.
(Don't push space for drinking from a well, else time will pass.)

If you get low on HP/SP just set a beacon, use the other beacon to refresh at a well which grants extra HP or SP and use a beacon spell back in.

You don't have to reach level 250 right now, you'll have to do a lot of other quests in WoX which will grant a lot of gold and XP.

[Xeenslayer]

Thanks Kmonster. Using Lloyd's Beacon many times in the Great Pyramid helped me buff up my party enough times to defeat the dragons in level 1. I managed to reach Dragon Pharoah, and then went on to kill Alamar. It's a pity I forgot to take a screenshot of my score though, darn it. =( The game automatically saved and I now have no way of killing Alamar again, pah.

Anyway, I've just activated the machines in the four corners of Clouds, and also awakened the four guardians in Darkside. What do I do next? Another thing is, I see a chest at each of the four elemental planes (when I go to awaken the guardians) but there's apparently no way of opening them?... How do I pick the chests and access whatever's inside (presumably great treasures)?

Btw, I realised that last time, I solved the puzzle at the Great Pyramid level 1, but forgot to claim the treasure... -_-" I did that now and together with the Pitchfork chest puzzle in Castleview, I got like 3 million gold. I used some of it to train my characters up to level 65 - all of them. So far, my party is pretty much invincible wherever I go... makes me wonder if it's necessary to get to level 200+ in this game?

[kmonster]

It's really not neccessary to reach level 200+ in the game. If you feel invincible you can prove this by defeating the megadragon.
Before you can open a chest in an elemental plane you have to succeed with the test there.

In castle Alamar you should have found a key to the dragon tower on the clouds side, it might be worth a visit.

[Xeenslayer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Mar 19 2007, 11:23 PM) 284228</div>
It's really not neccessary to reach level 200+ in the game. If you feel invincible you can prove this by defeating the megadragon.
Before you can open a chest in an elemental plane you have to succeed with the test there.

In castle Alamar you should have found a key to the dragon tower on the clouds side, it might be worth a visit.
[/b]

Haha, I meant I'm invincible against the more common enemies. With Day of Protection and Power Shield, I hardly need to sweat when taking them on. The Megadragon, however, is another story... :tai:

Anyway, I tried what you suggested and accepted the elemental tests, then opened the chests... I realised that it's hardly worth the damage I receive. Just 1000 gold and some lousy elemental equipment. :angry: I reloaded and decided not to open those chests.

Thanks, I'll check out Dragon Tower. I can't remember if I rescued Roland though. I had explored the dungeon in Alamar's Castle last time (before finding the Dragon Pharaoh and slaying Alamar) and I have no idea if I saved Roland. Looks like I gotta check out that place again...

[kmonster]

Receiving damage shouldn't be a problem. Just put off your armor if you fear getting into the negatives. Resting should easily heal your HP for free, the elemental items can at least be sold for a little money.
You should be able to buff up your party enough to handle the damage without someone dying.
You can return when you're more experienced if you don't want to do the whole buffing procedure now.

[derek]

I used to play this game back in the day. And I've been looking for it since my win.98 died, and got a new windows vista system. This game I think is better than halo in some ways. This game was the halo of 1992. And is still hot.halo cant say that! I went through a lot of web sites that were bogus.(charged my credit card and then gave me a download site that didnt exist). They pissed me off so I hacked there server, took the site down and I put a joker on there system.Which if you dont know what that is it's a virus which cuts off there mouse and keyboard and will not allow it to restart.hahaha that showed em not to *meep* with me! But this site is good...and free! Thank you abandonia.com!

[chronochief]

Whoa, talk about nostalgia.. spent many many hours on xeen when i was a kid.

Is World of Xeen the one where the portal asks you 'Where to?' in speech (i.e. not text)?

[Dark-Star]

Hi,

I could provide the german copy protection codes that someone requested some time ago. Would it be okay to post them in the forum? Or would it be better to not post them?

I have the "Bestseller Games" version of both games, too. For those who don't know what "Bestseller Games" is: It was a German magazine that featured full games only, i.e. no (or almost no) editorial content but only the game, instructions, and, also the walkthrough for games that needed them. Back in the late nineties that was a great opportunity to obtain cheap games (they cost around 6-10€ per issue)

--Darkstar

[Guest_Elric_*]

I remember this game from when I was a kid- playing through it two times recently reminds me of how much easier the game is when you know where everything is.

One tip that I'm not sure anyone has mentioned: interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

[kmonster]

For me it sounds crazy rushing through the game in order to avoid aging (24 is quite young to finish DS) and giving away 25 years afterwards to gain a little money.

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 25 2007, 05:49 AM) 291318</div>
For me it sounds crazy rushing through the game in order to avoid aging (24 is quite young to finish DS) and giving away 25 years afterwards to gain a little money.
[/b]

I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time to finish the game is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

It's more than a little money- I ended up with 120 million gold at age 46 (from 7.3 million at age 18) the last time I did this. My concern is minimizing real time, not game time. If you want to avoid running out of gold for training, I don't see any faster real-time way to do it.

[kmonster]

You are probably right about this being the fastest real-time way to get money, but for me it's just no option. A sidegoal for me is turning my heroes into super characters with a very promising future, and draining 28 years of lifespan just hurts, I'd rather finish the game with level 80 characters.

The stat penalties don't really hurt, even if the characters get 80 years old. Natural aging isn't reversible in the game and the characters die when they get too old. If you run out of money there are ways to fix it, but if run out of time it's over. Therefore I'm very careful about aging.
The final score als depends mainly on the in-game time you needed to complete the game.

But that's just my personal way to play, different players play differently.
What party did you choose ?

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 11:03 AM) 291466</div>
The final score als depends mainly on the in-game time you needed to complete the game.
...
But that's just my personal way to play, different players play differently.
What party did you choose ?
[/b]

I never thought about the score depending on the in-game time you need to complete the game. I suppose that since I had no idea what the formula to come up with a score is I never knew if my score was "good" so I didn't pay any attention to it.

I chose one of the most martial parties possible- 3 Half Orc Barbarians, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 1 Human Archer. In retrospect, replacing a Barbarian with another Archer might have sped things up in real time because having 2 Lloyd's Beacons is nice and my party was never challenged by fights as it was.

My goal was to win as fast as possible in real-time. I sped up play with Count Du Money and Shangri-La (I drew the line at Lord Xeen and I Lost It- didn't use those).

Initial strategy: Go immediately to Darkside, create party at level 5, solve the puzzles in and right around Castleview (buy Lloyd's Beacon), use Count-Du Money for gold and then Shangri-la to get key spells (Days spells, Town Portal, Lloyd's Beacon, Teleport). Solve Vertigo, train to level 10, go back to Count Du Money and teleport your way into main Dragon Cave treasure room (save until you get 2 Obsidian weapons), head to Dwarf mines 1-4 for stat bonuses (maybe unnecessary with Obsidian weapons)-> this gets you high enough Int for Archer to have 40 sp for Day of Sorcery- rest, cast it then go to Rivercity and beat Sorceresses, return Barok's pendant, drink from well to get enough SP for Day of Protection (cast it).

Rampage through Nightshadow. Drink from fountain for +10 levels. Commence world-beating.

[kmonster]

Nice party and another proof how useful barbarians really are.
Because of the manual error most newbie players prefer knights, although barbarians are far superior.

How long (in real time) did it take to finish the game ?

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 02:50 PM) 291486</div>
Nice party and another proof how useful barbarians really are.
Because of the manual error most newbie players prefer knights, although barbarians are far superior.

How long (in real time) did it take to finish the game ?
[/b]

What's the manual error? I think that the manual doesn't emphasize how strong multiple attacks get. Also, full armor and full weapon use barely matters because magical properties matter much more than the strength of the base item. You want any weapon to be usable by at least one character, but having a ninja and paladin in the party easily takes care of that (since the oriental weapons are generally pretty rare) and barbarians can use enough of the weapons that you won't have trouble getting obsidian weapons that they can use.

The game took about 4 1/2 hours for Clouds + Darkside. After that I got tired of rushing through the game so I took my time finishing World of Xeen. I imagine you could do Worlds in an extra 1 1/2 hours (6 hrs total) if you were pushing it. I had played through the game recently and so my memory for most of it was pretty good- and I planned the rough outline for completing the game in advance.

The maps at http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564553.html and
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564552.html are very helpful if you haven't played the game recently and helpful even if you have (I used them in some places).

[kmonster]

6 hours is really impressing considering how huge those games are. Did you play adventurer or warrior mode ?

About the manual error: I'm referring to the barbarian class descriptions in the manual, something like "the Barbarian is almost as good a fighter as the Knight" which is obviously untrue and would have made me avoid the barbarian if I hadn't known it better.
Luckily I had already played MM3 before with both in a party and therefore got a strong suspicion. When I tested them (at level 200) against the same monster there, the barbarian did about 5700 damage while the knight did only about 4300.

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 26 2007, 04:27 PM) 291492</div>
6 hours is really impressing considering how huge those games are. Did you play adventurer or warrior mode ?[/b]

Warrior. I fleshed out the guideline I wrote for myself a little more, because it sounds hard to believe the game is this quick until you've played it this fast. This was my second try at beating the game quickly- the first time took me longer partly because my memory for the game was worse and partly because I didn't have as good of an order to do things in.

Key tips:
Leaving effects and music off made the game run much faster in DosBox. It's possible that I set things up wrong to start with and that's why it was slow in the first place, but when you're going for speed you can't be too concerned about sound effects.

Fountains are crucial: Nightshadow, Rivercity, Vertigo, +2500 HP in Darkside A1, +1000 SP in Darkside E1, +15 levels at Darkside C2, Sandcaster- stand in exact middle of town at exactly noon (you get there when you cast Time Distortion), face South and press Spacebar—bonus 1800 spell points to each character

If you never look at (or near) an enemy, the game doesn’t activate that enemy. So you can back up into a crowd of ranged-attackers and fight them one group at a time.
If you reload while facing away from a monster, the game forgets that it ever saw you. This is even more of a cheat than the previous strategy. This feels somewhat justified by the following point, though:

Bows are terrible past low levels. Although you get multiple attacks per round, this doesn’t apply to bows. Additionally it’s very hard to find powerful magical bows (Clouds near Lord Xeen’s castle are best place to find powerful bows). If you want to fight at a range, your choices are either casting one spell with one party member or having every character with a bow shoot one arrow. Then all of your enemies get to attack you. It’s pretty pitiful.

The most important combat spells in the game are Day of Protection and then Day of Sorcery. Go to a level-boosting fountain at 5 am every day and then cast these spells. Early in the game you’ll want to go to Nightshadow, then Asp (maybe Vertigo first) for HP, then Rivercity for SP. Since Day of Protection is the most important spell, give all bonus experience points to your Paladin.

Visiting shops takes a day (more for training, guilds, or temples). However, your Days spells and temporary fountains don't fall off except when you Train.
Obsidian Weapons are much, much better than Diamond Weapons. A level-boosted Barbarian with an Obsidian weapon and a level-boosted Day of Protection spell cast will kill most enemies in one hit. For this reason, you should give a lot of Speed bonuses to 2 of your Barbarians (there probably aren’t enough speed bonuses easily available to give you 3 Barbarians who are faster than almost all of your enemies). Also, give most Might bonuses to the two characters at front of party for bashing/opening purposes.

Party: 2 Half Orc Barbarians, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 2 Human Archers (I initially made a speed run with 3 Half Orc Barbarians and 1 Human Archer, but this configuration seems faster)

Start outside Vertigo—head immediately to Castleview
Make new party (transfer items from old party)(make sure Archer has 17+ Int)
Drawcab monks (reverse order), Secret chest at (21,30)
Get Cartographer skill- Cartographer’s challenge (Sandcaster)
Buy Lloyd’s Beacon at Guild for one archer
Free Jethro from Jail- Buy swimming skill for non-humans.
Two puzzles with the Chests (first puzzle 1,2…9; second, spell Pitchfork)
Go outside, head East along river to sunken ship, answer Palindrome riddle at tent, buy pass to Castleview right next to city, go back in.
Collect prize for freeing Jethro- go to Vertigo
Count Du Money- Beacon to Vertigo- Shangri-La (Days spells, Etherealize, Teleport, Town Portal, Cure Poison/Disease, Jump, Awaken, Lloyd’s Beacon, Time Distortion), try to get bows at Shangri-la armory, back to Vertigo (make sure you save 20000 gold for training—if you have two archers one only really needs Teleport/Beacon right now)
Clean out Vertigo (NW corner)
Train characters- back to Castleview if you want level>10 (Archer will only be able to train to level 10- Barbarians and Ninjas might be level 11 so this probably won’t matter)
Loot treasure at final area in dragon caves (Count Du Money—go to North East Corner of room, teleport 9E, 3E) (Save until you get an obsidian weapon from each item stash)
Go to Dwarf mines 1-4 for stat bonuses—give +6 Int to one Archer

Rest. Cast Day of Sorcery (Archer should have 40-45 sp).
Go to Rivercity—buy Armsmaster, Bodybuilder (SE corner)
Get Barok’s pendant from Sorceresses, drink from Rivercity well, cast Day of Protection (set Beacon at Rivercity well). Beat Nightshadow as soon as it hits nighttime.
Also complete: Asp/Yang Knights, Buy Mountaineer (2)/ Navigator (Rivercity)
Beat robbers- Head to Castle Burlock- deliver tiara and get merchant skill just outside

Back to Castleview—defeat Gettlewait, head into sewers (get Onyx Necklace)
Return Onyx necklace for key to E’s tower, steal Valio’s treasure, Buy Pathfinder (2) (Castleview)
Go to Ellinger’s Tower (don’t get resistance bonuses yet) (Get gold chest in Castleview)

Power up at Clouds town fountains- Town Portal to Sandcaster—solve Paladin riddle
(from Sandcaster, Teleport: 9W, 9W, 8W, 9N, 5N, answer riddle, 5S, 5S,5E,5E,5N,5N,5W). (Obsidian longsword among treasure). Teleport around to get genies in desert (give to Paladin for exp). Beacon to Rivercity if you need more SP.
Head to Ector in E2 then go to E1 to the +1000 SP fountain and to get his ring (Obsidian Battleaxe reward)
Back to Sandcaster- get nearby Emerald Handle, Trade Handle for pass to Sandcaster (B4)

Train again somewhere in here.

Visit +1000 sp fountain (E1), followed by (carefully) Town Portal- Necropolis- Teleport North- then West to get to +2500 hp fountain in A1- be careful to avoid facing south while you’re at or approaching that fountain, so the Gamma Gazers south of there don’t get activated. If you run into Gamma Gazers, you can face North and cast Time Distortion- this will teleport you near the 2500 hp fountain. Set Lloyd’s Beacon here so you don’t have to run this gauntlet again.

Enter Sandcaster: Solve 2 Merchants puzzles (Answers: 3 and 100), clear out rooms just south of there- get speed, int bonus, go into sewers to gym (SE) for bonuses. Buy pass to Lakeside (middle/South Sandcaster).
Clear Lakeside- get statue from sewers- get pass to Necropolis.
Back to Shangri-la (Mass Distortion, Holy Word, Cure Paralysis, Power Cure, maybe a few others)

(At some point):
Get key to East tower in SE corner of Sandcaster
West Tower (before Bark, drink from resist + fountains)
East Tower (before Bark) (drink from Fountain of Minimal Abilities, return Jewel of Ages to F4)
Temple of Bark (kill Barkman)(Save until you get 2 Obsidian weapons from chest Barkman is guarding. Make sure your Ninja can use one of the Obsidian weapons you have found so far! Everyone should have an Obsidian Weapon at this point.)
Sandcaster main city quest—this is optional, but the Speed bonuses are very helpful and you may need to get an item that boosts Int so that everyone can get to 100 Int to read all of the Necropolis books of the dead- the treasure here is a good bet for that (worst case scenario: just give the permanent Int bonuses by Xenoc to your Paladin- he’s the one whose levels gained helps your party the most).

Necropolis—first, set Beacon at Fountain of Ages in F4, visit +50 Int fountain on Clouds side- Darkstone Tower- 6N, 4E, read books of Dead (shuffle around an Int-enhancing item to read the last one)—portal to Fountain of Ages every 75-100 years of aging)
Return Sandro’s heart from sewer (make sure you save before talking to him)
Northern Tower (if you’re already high level, consider getting Euphoria throne bonus levels)
Get energy disks from Giants and/or Ogres and/or Southern Tower

These are pretty much the only quests I do. There's no reason to clear areas of monsters since there's very little benefit to it. Exp rewards from genies, Books of the Dead, and quests are much larger than the rewards from killing monsters, and you don't need to be particularly high level to beat the game when you have level-boosted Day of Protection-boosted characters with Obsidian Weapons and you visit the +2500 HP fountain.


Free levels that are easy to get:
Return statuettes (A4), Super-explorer statue above Witch Tower, Fountain of Life (East Tower), Book of Great Power (East tower) (either go to Shangri-la or buy skills back individually), Shangri-la well.

I usually won't get any of these free levels (except maybe Fountain of Life) until I max out at level 50 before going to the Dungeon of Lost Souls- then I'll get the Fountain of Life and the Book of Great Power, visit Shangri-La to buy all skills back for 600K and drink from the well there, then complete the statuettes quest. This puts you at level 61-62, which when combined with the C1 Shrine makes the rest of Darkside very easy.

At level 50+:
Take 15+ energy disks to Ellinger (get resistance bonuses) to get Kalindra restored, talk to Megan at Kalindra, to get key to Dungeon of Lost Souls, go there, get Songbird (give exp to Paladin if you plan to train again), rescue Queen Kalindra from Castle Blackfang (have to do bridle quest for Dimitri first, talk to Kalindra twice and then set Beacon here before getting her crown), get key to Pyramid, beat Pyramid (set Beacon at top), Corak’s ship, back to Pyramid, to Olympus (get Soulbox), back to Corak, to Alamar

Now complete the Clouds main quest. At this point it’s ridiculously easy and should take you under half an hour. Cave of Illusion- Tower of High Magic- Darzog’s Tower (set Beacon at top). Buy Newcastle for 50K gold- go to Mirabeth for key to Temple of Yak, Temple of Yak, build next level of Newcastle, get key to Tomb of 1000 Terrors, go there, finish building Castle, get Xeen Slayer Sword, teleport back to Darzog’s Tower, go fight Lord Xeen.

[kmonster]

Amazing. You should record and publish a speedrun.

[ElricXeen]

I just beat Clouds and Darkside in 3 hrs, 45 minutes. I was using the 2 Archer party, which definitely seems superior for finishing quickly. I still didn't have any hard fights even with only 2 Barbarians. Having 2 Beacons was great- I made the run to the A1 2500 HP fountain very early, set a Beacon there, and was completely invulnerable for a long time as a result. I also used the backup trick a lot: the West Tower, the East Tower, Lakeside, Sandcaster, the Great Pyramid- pretty much everywhere the enemies are strong and have ranged attacks.

The time breakdown by part of the game was as follows:
50 Minutes- Create party, go to Castleview and do that portion, back to Vertigo and do the early Clouds-side portion in the guide (Count Du Money, Shangri-La, Rivercity, Nightshadow, etc.). After 50 minutes I was ready to head back to the Darkside.
1 hr, 55 minutes- Complete all of the listed quests on the Darkside before the Dungeon of Lost Souls and the end sequence.
25 minutes- beat the Clouds side (Teleport helps to find Megacredits really quickly in the dungeons).
35 minutes- complete the rest of the Darkside.

I got a little lucky in this game as follows:
At the start I rolled well (given that I wasn't rolling for that long) and managed to get a 20 Int for one of my archers. Then I found a ring of +2 Int in Shangri-La—22 Int is enough to get you 40 sp at level 10. So I skipped the Dwarf Caves entirely. My Barbarians were a little slower, but I think this was the right choice. The other time you can clearly skip the Dwarf Caves is if you get an item that boosts speed in the Dragon Caves treasure and this boosts your speed high enough that you can beat the Sorceresses in Rivercity without Day of Sorcery. It should be easy to beat them without Day of Sorcery or a speed boost if you run back to Vertigo to get more HP part of the way through the final room (this seems a little cheap to me). I forgot to add Nature's Cure to the list of spells to buy in Shangri-La; you also might be able to win by casting Nature's Cure a few times in between battles in the final room (again, this works because of the back-up trick).

I found an Obsidian Club in Morgana's treasure in Sandcaster. This meant that when I reached the Temple of Bark I only cared about getting one Obsidian Weapon. Then I got really lucky and found an Obsidian Scimitar Monster Masher in Barkman’s chest. An Obsidian Monster-Mashing weapon is the best item in the game and will let you take out the Dungeon of Lost Souls with ease (Minotaurs and Gorgons are "monsters"- so are Annihilators and Autobots). I'd have taken this even if I only had 5 Obsidian Weapons total, but it was nice to still have 6 and the Monster Mashing Scimitar. I found a Wisdom Amulet at some point early on, and this meant that I didn’t have to worry about getting to 100 Int for the final book of the dead (“lowest Int� character had 11 Int—a few were below 10 but the Fountain of Minimal Abilities in East Tower took care of this: 11+ 19 from Bark + 50 from Clouds-side fountain + 22 from the Medal= 102).

Quests that weren't important:
The Yang Knights should probably be skipped, since you don't get much out of it (although it’s really fast). However, I remember that the first time I played through this game I considered beating them a big accomplishment because it was such a tough battle. So it’s very satisfying to beat them in the first hour of playing the game.

Asp- Asp might be unnecessary. It’s awfully quick, though, and the slight HP boost over Vertigo is nice for a short while.

I never remembered to go back to complete Valio’s quest, steal his treasure and kill him after beating the Queen Rat. This was probably for the best.

The Southern Tower was useless, as I ended up with 2 extra energy disks (only disks I missed were the Ogres’s). I had been planning to read from the Book of Power in the East Tower and then use the 300K from the Southern Tower to help buy all skills at Shangri-La (as I thought I might run into gold troubles otherwise) but didn’t end up doing this, so the extra gold wasn’t remotely important.

Sandcaster- the speed bonuses and treasure that you get are nice, but I might wait until after the Temple of Bark in the future to see if I really need to do this.

Other notes:
I trained to get everyone to level 10, then again I think after solving the Merchant’s riddles in Sandcaster before going to Lakeside (Paladin level 18- everyone else 14-15). Then I trained again, I think after beating Lakeside, West Tower, East Tower, South Tower and Sandcaster (Paladin about level 22, everyone else about 18-19). Then I trained after reading the Books of the Dead, Returning Sandro’s Heart, and beating the North Tower and Temple of Bark (Paladin level 50, everyone else level 48).

At this point I decided that I’d go to do the Clouds side and then train everyone else to level 50 with the experience from there. I probably should have just gotten the bonus levels in the Northern Tower instead- there’s a little too much traveling/training time this way. I also stopped and got a few of the +5/10 ability bonuses on the top two floors of the Cave of Illusion—not sure this mattered.

I never used a single free level bonus. It wasn’t important. I didn’t get the Euphoria Thrones in the Northern Tower because I was so confident that I wouldn’t need it to get through the Dungeon of Lost Souls given that I had a Monster-Mashing Scimitar—but then I ended up doing Clouds first and training again, which means I probably should have gotten this in the first place. For a lot of the game I was using the +15 levels shrine at C2 (1,8) because it’s so easy to get to with Town Portal Necropolis, 9E, 3S.

Before beating Alamar, I went into the Castle’s Dungeon and got the key to the Dragon Tower (and pulled a switch so that you can access this area from Shangri-La). This is a good time-saver before doing the World of Xeen portion and with the Monster-Mashing Scimitar, killing Annihilators wasn’t a problem.

I forgot this note about the Worlds portion: the Xeen Slayer Sword can hurt creatures that are normally immune to physical damage. I’m not sure if this is a feature or a bug. In particular, this means that you can beat the creatures on the Elemental Water and Air planes and you don’t have to worry about buying Implosion for an archer (or the spell points to cast it all those times).

Before going to the Dungeon of Lost Souls I set a Beacon at Dimitri. Then I left the Beacon there for easy retrieval of Queen Kalindra’s Crown. I never needed to Beacon back to A1 after this so I didn’t lose any time by giving up my beacon at A1 (since you need a second beacon to set at Queen Kalindra in Blackfang’s basement). Two beacons lets you set one at the Dragon Pharoah, go to Corak, set the other one at Corak, Beacon back to the Dragon Pharoah, Town Portal to Olympus, and Beacon back to Corak. The end of Darkside felt like a total blur thanks to all of the beacons.

That's about all I can think of at the moment- let me know if you have any questions about what I did.

[ElricXeen]

I completed the World of Xeen sequence. It took me 35 minutes. It could have taken less, but I had never played through this part of the game with speed in mind and made a few mistakes.

Worlds Overview:
Go to Olympus and train with the gold you have. Prioritize your Paladin for the majority of the level gaining, since you’ll have more levels than you can afford. Go to 1000 SP fountain and 2500 HP fountain but don’t go to a level-boosting fountain.

Dragon Tower- go straight up the center stairs. Get key card (Infinity-don’t type this one in wrong!) from statue on Dragon Cloud. Drink from and set Beacon at 50 level fountain on Cloud (keep another Beacon at 2500 HP fountain).

Return via Shangri-la to Alamar Dungeon. Buy Divine Intervention for your Paladin while you’re down here. To get to Alamar Dungeon: step off Dragon Cloud—it treats you as on Darkside if you try to Town Portal from the Cloud itself, Town Portal to Vertigo, take mirror portal to Shangri-La.

Go to Darkstone Tower (stepping off Dragon Cloud lands you at base of Darkstone Tower). Make sure you have the +50 level boost and then cast the Days spells before doing any fighting in Darkstone Tower.
Fight way to top of tower. Save before fighting the Golems—they drain spell points and you should probably reload if your Paladin or both Archers get drained of SP. The gongs on the top level do a lot of damage and you’ll probably have to portal out for more HP—this is why it’s good to still have all of your spell points. Get key card on top level (120). You can set a Beacon up here, but it only saves a little time. Back to Alamar dungeon.

Free Roland, get key to Southern Sphinx. Get Ever-hot Lava Rock (Clouds E2?) and then visit Halon the Inventer in Clouds B4 to get Widget, then go to Southern Sphinx.
Go straight to stairs up (Picard). Cast Divine Intervention if you get cursed along the way to the stairs. Trade Widget for Chime of Opening

Wake Elemental Sleepers on Darkside. Town Portal to Castleview, climb the hut in A3, then Teleport all around the skyroads (What are you seeking?—Earth, Air, Fire, Water)

Wait! What about the Reflectors on the Clouds-side of Xeen? It turns out you don’t actually have to do that to beat the game. It seems like the game won’t let you win without Xeen’s Scepter, the Cube of Power, and the Elemental Sleepers (although I haven’t tested out every permutation here), but it doesn’t require you to activate the Reflectors.

Go back to Darkstone Tower, climb to top and circle around until you get to main Pyramid. Make sure you don’t go past 5 am (find the nearest rest stop when it’s past 4 am and just hit spacebar until the new day). Save the game every so often because it’s easy to accidentally step off the cloud.

That’s it. I forgot to include the length of the animation at the end of Darkside of Xeen the last time, and that plus the animation at the end of World of Xeen adds about 6 minutes to the walkthrough. Note: you don’t have to ever see the Clouds ending, since you get the Scepter after killing Lord Xeen and the game only shifts to the ending if you click on the mirror. I’ve probably rounded the estimated five-minute increments down more often than up throughout this summary so let’s call these animations 10 minutes to balance that out. That’s a total of 4 ½ hours for Clouds, Darkside, and World of Xeen.

I wouldn’t recommend trying this for 4 ½ hours straight. I played this game in four sittings (the first 50 minutes, the next 1 hr 55 minutes, beating Clouds and the end of Darkside, beating World of Xeen), which was much more enjoyable and probably faster than trying to play straight through. It also let me figure out the exact order I wanted to go in as I went along. To play through the game in one sitting in as little time as possible, you’d want to have recently completed the game on a speed run so that you didn’t have to pause to contemplate your next move. This was my third speed run in the last month, and I could probably get a faster time given another try (but I got lucky on magic items this time, and there are clearly diminishing returns at this point).

Lastly, the walkthrough and maps by Andrew Schultz are really good and it’s probably the best single source of information to have as you play. Those links are:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564553.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564552.html

[kmonster]

You might get some inspiration there:
http://speeddemosarchive.com

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ May 29 2007, 04:23 PM) 291988</div>
You might get some inspiration there:
http://speeddemosarchive.com
[/b]

Man, I don't think I can compete with someone who can beat Contra in under 15 minutes without picking up a single special item :). It seems like a solely speed-oriented run would involve completing the game in a lot of segments (which you'd then try to optimize individually), which to me detracts from the point of trying to beat it as fast as possible in the first place.

My original goal in playing through the game as fast as possible was that I pulled this game out for the first time in years last year. After I beat it, I found that the game wasn't nearly as hard as I remembered it to be. When I mentioned this to the cousin who introduced me to the game, he said that he plays through the game about once a year and typically beats it in 4-6 hours. I didn't believe that at the time so this year when I felt like playing through the game again, I decided to see how fast I could do it. Then I decided to hone my strategy from there, but I don't intend to spend the summer trying to pull off the impossible 2 hr run. I'm kind of sick of the game as it is :)

[The Fifth Horseman]

which to me detracts from the point of trying to beat it as fast as possible in the first place. [/b]
Not at all. You don't have to divide the run into segments, unless you feel like it.

[Ghmou]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(trisha_x @ Apr 28 2005, 09:51 AM) 101494</div>
it's like wizardry, turn based..

i played world of xeen many many years ago, anyone knows how to beat the dragon (i don't know what it was named, it nearly instantly kills your characters and makes them unreviable) in the clouds? you have to cast flying to get there and it guards a trap-door..
[/b]

I believe you're talking about the Megadragon on top of Alamar's castle on the Darkside?

You've need to have at least two Cleric-types in the party (I had a Cleric and a Paladin) to keep casting Divine Intervention (when people die) and Resurrection (When people get eradicated).

I managed to do it, but that was some 12 years ago. I also think my characters were absurdly high level.

[kmonster]

It's actually even possible to defeat this dragon without a character dying.

He attacks with energy, so for the defense try to get up the the energy resistance and luck stat by visiting locations which raise them temporary as much as possible, do also get the character levels up before casting "Shield" or "DoS" to reduce the damage as much as possible. This way eradication hardly ever happens since only little damage will get through.

Offensive buffing with wells, shrines and spells is also very useful.

The sorcerer spell which makes dragons sleep and and the cleric spell which halves enemy hitpoints are very useful in the battle.

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Jun 14 2007, 11:39 AM) 294428</div>
The sorcerer spell which makes dragons sleep and and the cleric spell which halves enemy hitpoints are very useful in the battle.
[/b]

I was under the impression that the Megadragon is immune to these spells (and everything besides physical damage). I just tried fighting the Megadragon and Mass Distortion didn't work any of the times I tried it. My Archer didn't have Dragon Sleep so I didn't try that one. To beat the Megadragon without anyone dying, you need to get lucky.

I took my party of 3 HOrc Barbs, 1 Dwarf Ninja, 1 Human Paladin, 1 Human Archer (Paladin level 150, rest level 110) and visited the the +50 level fountain on Dragon Cloud, the fountain in Vertigo for full HP, the A1 fountain for +2500 HP, the +all resistances fountain in B1, and the +100 luck fountain in B4 and cast (post-level buff) Day of Sorcery and Day of Protection. I remember fighting the Megadragon 10-12 times- of those I only lost one fight but I think I only beat it without a character dying once or twice. Typically I'd lose 1-3 party members. Obsidian Dragon Slaying weapons could help shorten the fight but your resistance/protection is never going to get high enough that the Megadragon can't damage you, so there's always a chance of Eradication.

Edit- I forgot- if you want the best chance to beat the Megadragon without having anyone die, you can get a ton of Kinetic Items from one of the merchants on Gem Lake in the skyroads.

[kmonster]

The Megadragon is resistant to "Mass Distortion" and "Dragon Sleep", but not immune. (at least in my version)
Even if many attempts will fail, the chance to inflict up to 32,000 HP damage or to make it miss one attack opportunity is well worth it, especially since casters do lousy physical damage compared to barbarians.

[Jono]

I was curious if anyone knew how the combat mechanics worked, more specifically how significant the advantage is with having an obsidian weapon. Aside from the bonus to hit value, I'm wondering what exactly the +50 to damange entails. I guess the main question would be if this number is simply an addition after your damage calculation, or if its integrated into your calculation where more importantly if it is involved in any "multiplication" type of formula. My guess considering some tests with "Identify Monster" seems to indicate its NOT just a simple added bonus of +50 damage but some sort of multiplication factor based on your Level. This will sound a little obscure I admit but I wanted a party with all Platinum equipment and was wondering exactly how much of a disadvantage I would have with an identical party using Obsidian equipment. Thanks in advance for any help.

[Guest]

The damage bonus obviously applies to all attacks per round the character has. Don't forget that Obsidian weapons also get a to hit bonus.
I've got the impression that AC somehow subtracts from the damage dealt, so if the AC subtracts 1,000 from damage dealt an attacker capable of doing 1,500 damage will get 10 times the effect an attacker capable of doing 1,050 damage. You probably already realized that a barbarian does more than twice the damage than a paladin, although he get's less than 1.5 times the attacks.

I guess the game is surely playable with platinum weapons, the lower weapon damage just has to be evened out by more attacks per round (higher levels) or more spell use.

[pedro]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wendymaree @ Apr 27 2005, 07:01 PM) 101149</div>
Originally posted by MrBackAlleySka@Apr 27 2005, 05:22 PM
Heya guys! I have the World of Xeen manual on a pdf, if you guys'd like it. I'll put it on the FTP site under the MrBackAlleySka folder, and if yeh want it, it's freee to grab and upload to the site, if you don't want it, you are free to delete it ^^ It's 10.something MB's
Thanks for the offer, but I had some trouble uploading a copy of the manual, so Kosta is uploading it a little later...when he can.

Enjoy the game!
[/b]


I´m living a big problem. i was playing, wen in the dark side raises a gameprotection, and the quest can´t stop.
in the manual of this site the word asked dosen´t fit with the the page/line/word. how can i continue playing?

[ElricXeen]

pedro- the code sheet you can get in this thread works for everything on the Clouds side (although it may take you a few tries). The only place on Darkside where you need a code (from what I remember) is leaving Castleview through the gate. You can always Town Portal to just outside the city, or go out through the Sewers. I'm pretty sure that the Castleview code check doesn't get activated until you've completed some segment of the game (maybe based on the Clouds side?) so by then you should have Town Portal.

[chumloofah]

Soaks a couple of hours in anyway, don't it?
Praise Mok for those star trek references in darkside.
Those precious moments of eye rolling were about all the reality I got until I finished the thing.

[spgoh1]

Oh YEA! World of Xeen totally owns. I remember playing it as a kid when I was still in Primary School (Elementary School equivalent).

And I agree that MM6 is by the best of the series. It really is a shame that the sequels turned out mediocre :tai: I'm still hoping and praying (now that Ubisoft has acquired the rights to JVC's brainchild) that Might and Magic X will be made and take the world by storm as it did in 1997.

Anyway, back to discussing WoX. One of the biggest annoyances I faced playing MM4 & MM5 (especially towards the end of the game) is that while your characters are now really, really powerful, there's just no one left for them to pulverise, except the Megadragon (and in which case the party normally is the one that gets pulverised).

While it's a small problem, it does affect the replayability of the game somewhat. This of course is unlike MM6 where monsters keep respawning and nothing beats the feeling of felling the almighty Titans with meteor showers and blasters over and over and over again; or unlike MM2 where random encounters mean that there will be no shortage of posteriors to kick.

Another problem also about MM4 & MM5 is the shortage of gold during late game. Once you hit Lv 120+, the cost for training becomes incredulously astronomical and unless you cheat, there does not seem to be enough gold to finish training. Or perhaps that's just me :P Does anyone know of any tips to ensure a constant flow of gold?

One of my gold-making schemes is to buy Plate Armours, enchant them and sell 'em back. However, gems are also in limited supply and this process is painstaking at best. I'd be most grateful if anyone could give me some tips and tricks on how to make more money. Thanks :)

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eddie G. @ Jul 29 2007, 12:43 AM) 301783</div>
Another problem also about MM4 & MM5 is the shortage of gold during late game. Once you hit Lv 120+, the cost for training becomes incredulously astronomical and unless you cheat, there does not seem to be enough gold to finish training. Or perhaps that's just me :P Does anyone know of any tips to ensure a constant flow of gold?

One of my gold-making schemes is to buy Plate Armours, enchant them and sell 'em back. However, gems are also in limited supply and this process is painstaking at best. I'd be most grateful if anyone could give me some tips and tricks on how to make more money. Thanks :)[/b]

When I want to get to really high levels, here's how I do it (quoting myself from earlier in this thread). This is the fastest real time way I could find, although it takes a lot of game time:

Interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

If you don't use this trick, the game doesn't take much game time at all to complete (so you can afford to spend a lot of years working to accumulate gold since you really won't age much besides when you use this trick). I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

[spgoh1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ElricXeen @ Jun 30 2007, 07:54 AM) 297180</div>
pedro- the code sheet you can get in this thread works for everything on the Clouds side (although it may take you a few tries). The only place on Darkside where you need a code (from what I remember) is leaving Castleview through the gate. You can always Town Portal to just outside the city, or go out through the Sewers. I'm pretty sure that the Castleview code check doesn't get activated until you've completed some segment of the game (maybe based on the Clouds side?) so by then you should have Town Portal.
[/b]


hmm... i thought the game comes with a crack? So far I've been using it... no problems as of yet..

[kmonster]

Someone's currently playing WoX and recording it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdwzpS4cHIQ

[kmonster]

One advice for powergamers:
I found out that if you turn off the PC (or end dosbox) while you're in the inn where you created your characters you keep your freshly created characters.
This way you can split creating your characters over several days without having to leave and reenter the inn which takes a full day time. (doesn't really matter for "normal" players however)

[Borys]

Hi guys quick question:

I've beaten M&M4 and M&M5 back in the past separately. Now I don't know if it's worth it to replay them as World of Xeen.

I NEED TO KNOW how many NEW dungeons are in WoX as opposed to M&M4 and M&M5 separately. I *know* there is The Dragon Tower with new boss - The Dragon King but are there anymore?

Maybe some new overland areas? How about new quests in WoX?

It would be too tedious to replay this mammoth for one new dungeon only although it would be pretty sweet cause I love M&M :)

Thanks for your replies.

[kmonster]

It's not as big as MM4 or MM5, but not very small either.
You can visit all the areas which were unaccessible in your stand-alone games, like the dungeon of death (several big levels), southern sphinx, dragon tower, dark tower some areas in the clouds, ...
You can make the replay more interesting if you use a different style, like a no-reload game.

[chumloofah]

There's nothing particularly good added, but the Dungeon of Death is a new challenge.
If that's enough for you, go for it :ok:

[Nodal]

This games amazingly huge. You won't need another RPG for a long time after getting this one.

[Lucas]

This game is boss. I have been playing this game since it was first released. A great addition and a truely classic RPG. You need to play this game.

[Borys]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kmonster @ Aug 22 2007, 07:46 PM) 306075</div>
It's not as big as MM4 or MM5, but not very small either.
You can visit all the areas which were unaccessible in your stand-alone games, like the dungeon of death (several big levels), southern sphinx, dragon tower, dark tower some areas in the clouds, ...
You can make the replay more interesting if you use a different style, like a no-reload game.
[/b]

Thanks, so it's like 4 new dungeons. Hmm... I think I'll try to beat it afterall. It's been 12 years since I finished M&M4 & M&M5, I don't think I remember much of those two games.

Thanks again.

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ian @ Aug 31 2005, 08:50 PM) 149888</div>
I have a problem that says theres no "expanded memory". How do I fix this?
[/b]

HELP!!! I'm trying to download World of Xeen from MM Trilogy CD and having same problem. MM3 downloaded fine but I'm having problems with MM4 and MM5. It says that there isn't enough memory and I need 51,400 more bytes of memory. My computer has over 20G of free memory so I'm not sure what this means. Has anyone run into same problem? Thx.

[The Fifth Horseman]

In this case, "memory" doesn't mean hard drive space.
Run the game in DOSBox.

[_r.u.s.s.]

or right click xeen.com and select auto in EMS, memory tab

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Sep 5 2007, 12:22 PM) 308977</div>
In this case, "memory" doesn't mean hard drive space.
Run the game in DOSBox.
[/b]


I'm sorry. What is DOSBox? Is this another term for MS DOS? Thx.

[Mighty Midget]

DOSBox is a DOS emulator that will allow you to run old games on modern systems. You can find a link to the download here
http://www.abandonia.com/main.php?nav=programs

Also, in my signature, there is a link, click it for a walkthrough on how to set it up.

Feel free to browse the forums for answers if you should have any problems, and if you can't find the answers, feel free to post the problems you are having in Troubleshooting. Please include exact error messages and descriptions of the problems as well as an exact/detailed description of what you did when you got those problems.

[_r.u.s.s.]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 5 2007, 09:32 PM) 309090</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Sep 5 2007, 12:22 PM) 308977
In this case, "memory" doesn't mean hard drive space.
Run the game in DOSBox.
[/b]


I'm sorry. What is DOSBox? Is this another term for MS DOS? Thx.
[/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(_r.u.s.s. @ Sep 5 2007, 01:36 PM) 308983</div>
or right click xeen.com and select auto in EMS, memory tab
[/b]

[Guest_Jono_*]

anyone know the formula for figuring out how much money you will need to reach a certain experience? Trying to get an idea for how much money i would need to save from the start if my goal is say 200 for a party of 2.

[chumloofah]

I think the formula is something like;
Get much higher than 100 = Massive pain in the arse to level regardless of how much money you've saved

[kmonster]

Training costs are
(character level) * (character level) * 10

[Guest]

I'm playing a solo game as a sorcerer and everything was going fine until i got what i was hoping to get, box of townportal. Since I'm a sorceror this was to be my main method of travelling around to towns in a flash. Only trouble is that when i use it (by selecting "use" from misc) the game crashes. Does anyone know of this bug and a workaround/fix patch per chance?

[ElricXeen]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest_Jono_* @ Sep 6 2007, 12:13 AM) 309182</div>
anyone know the formula for figuring out how much money you will need to reach a certain experience? Trying to get an idea for how much money i would need to save from the start if my goal is say 200 for a party of 2.[/b]

kmonster's formula is correct, but not necessarily what you're looking for in practice.

To a close degree of approximation, if your entire party is currently level Y and wish to train your entire party up to level X, the amount of gold you will need is:

20*X^3 - 20*Y^3

So to train from level 1 to 100 (X=100, Y=1) takes about 20*(100)^3 - 20= 20 million gold!

The exact formula happens to be 10*(2X+1)(X+1)X - 10*(2Y+1)(Y+1)Y

When I want to get to really high levels, here's how I do it (quoting myself from earlier in this thread). This is the fastest real time way I could find, although it takes a lot of game time:

Interest rates on Xeen are very good. You'll inevitably run out of money for training in the late game- if you kill Barkman, though, that should give you enough gold to train to at least level 50, which can get you through Darkside (particularly the Great Pyramid where there's a huge treasure pile) and then the Dragon Tower where there's a lot more treasure. Then (probably before you go to the Dragon Clouds) just put all of this gold in the bank and go work (Castleview/Rivercity/Vertigo, I think) for the next 25 (or so) years. 25 years multiplies your money by about a factor of 15, and 50 million gold (which you won't have any trouble accumulating with this strategy) is easily enough to train all of your characters to level 120. Aging penalties start around age 35, but don't kick in a second time until about 50, so you'll only have a few stats go down with this strategy.

This sure beats endless trips to the Gemstone Mines, or enchanting and selling items all day! It was particularly amusing that I had so much gold left over that I could pay the 4 million gold in the Southern Sphinx to be protected from the traps and then walk right through them.

If you don't use this trick, the game doesn't take much game time at all to complete (so you can afford to spend a lot of years working to accumulate gold since you really won't age much besides when you use this trick). I think the primary reason people take a lot of game time is that they don't realize that going to shops takes a day and/or they rest when they could just visit fountains (Vertigo/Rivercity being the easiest) to restore sp/hp. If you're judicious about not going to shops often or resting, the game is very quick.

Also, aging penalties at 35 are very mild- something like -2 physical ability scores, +1 mental ability scores. Then you don't suffer any more aging penalties until around age 50. I'd trade -2 physical ability scores for +40 levels of training any day.

[chumloofah]

And let's not forget that lvl 100 is enough for just about everything, including the mega dragon.

[JudgeDredd]

Unteresting that the page for WoX states this can not run on XP. I have this game off of my 3.5 by copying all the files from the disks into one directory and running the install. I ran the patch for the game and tweaked the sound settings. NO problem what so ever getting this run perfectly in XP - without DOSbox !!

BTW I have both cluebooks for the game. If anyone needs help post here and I will try to respond. Good luck. I'm back to finishing this game for a 3rd time!!!

[mikepower]

here a trick for all of you who need a lot of money to get pass level 250 ;) When you start a game in world of xeen, just got at first city in darkside and go working for that guys who pay you 50 gold for a week of gold. Do it until you got 10 k of gold then go at bank and leave your money there so in that way you will make interest on your money =D. Go back working for that guy and each time you get 10 k of gold go at bank and deposite your money. Go back working and do it until you've got enough money in bank. BUT DONT GO OVER 1000 million cause if you do that your money at bank will start over ;) After your done with money juste make a new party at a tavern and do the game with more that 1000 million but watch your back gang cause interest you will make can make you loose all gold youve got cause there is a limit that you can hold there SAY ME THANX FOR THE TRICKS. last time ive play that game it was the fisrt month that the game was release and i remeber nearly all about this game cause mm4 and mm5 was the BEST GAME NEVER MADE ;) !!!!!

[Guest]

sorry for the mistake on my description but if someone avec some question about it then just ask ^^

[ElricXeen]

I did a little testing recently and concluded that the Xeen Slayer Sword bypasses the resistance to physical damage of every creature in the game that I could find. This makes it ideal for taking down the creatures resistant (e.g., the Megadragon or Dragon Mummies) or immune to physical damage (e.g., the ghosts of Winterkill and the elementals on the planes of Air and Water). And, of course, you can get more with the "I Lost It" code at a mirror portal.

Also, you don’t have to kill the regular Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen to beat World of Xeen—you can kill one of the Lord Xeen’s in the Dungeon of Death instead and that will get you the Scepter if you don’t already have it (of course, if you aren’t using the I Lost It cheat you’d still have to build Newcastle to get a Xeen Slayer Sword to kill the Lord Xeens in the dungeon.

Normally you have to beat Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen in order to touch the 6th mirror to get the Clouds victory ("an invisible force protects the mirror" is the message you get if you try to touch it without defeating Lord Xeen via some sneaky teleport tricks). However, the force field is no longer there if you have the Scepter, which you can also get by beating one of the Lord Xeens in the Dungeon of Death. So if you've done this then you can teleport behind Lord Xeen in Castle Xeen, touch the mirror, and get the Clouds Victory. Even more amusingly, Castle Xeen doesn't disappear when you get the Clouds Victory so if you do that, you can go back to Castle Xeen after the ending sequence and Lord Xeen is still there!

[kmonster]

The Xeen Slayer Sword is in fact extremely powerful when fighting the damage resistant monsters.
I did a little weapon testing with the mega dragon and my level 255 solo ninja.
Rounds needed to defeat the mega dragon (64k HP) depending on weapon:

Obsidian handaxe 38
Obsidian halberd 37
Obsidian trident dragon slayer 13
Xeen Slayer Sword 5

[kmonster]

I did a little further testing with the magadragon, here the results

Fists ~600
Club 45
Halberd 44
Ruby dagger 43
Platinum halberd 42
Sapphire flail 41
Diamond handaxe 40
Obsidian handaxe 38
Obsidian halberd 37
Obsidian trident dragon slayer 13
Xeen Slayer Sword 5


- a fully buffed barbarian (level 305+level 255 day of protection) could take out the megadragon in 3 hits with the xeen slayer sword.
- with optimal preparation you can survive more than 170 rounds with the megadragon
- x3 weapons are great since the x3 applies to all bonusses. A simple glass club dragon slayer would have been more than twice as damaging than any obsidian weapon.
- at high levels it doesn't matter how lousy your weapon is, the damage difference between obsidian flamberge and nonmagical club is only about 20 percent
- it's important to wield a weapon, no matter how poor it is, it's still far better than using fists.

[kmatt001]

Has anyone tried to download this game recently? It takes a ton of time (at least for me) to get to the "Get It" screen and then once I click on Get It, it times out and I get nothing. Any ideas? Running XP and Firefox and no luck.

[Bishop1707]

Just for the record, I found this site yesterday and managed to download the game just fine, and got it working (as seems common, I had to run the install.exe and set the sound to Soundblaster Pro). Now I can run the game just fine through DosBox.

I noticed none of the NPCs have speech... is that possible to get?

I know they all did when I last played this, but I played on a CD-ROM version for the Macintosh. Did later PC versions also have speech? If so, does the copy on this site have it, and I just need to tweak settings, or do I need to find a copy (for example, I have a M&M Millienium Collection lying around somewhere)...

Better yet, could we get an upload of a version with speech? ;)

[marshal99]

Can't say that i remember the NPCs having speech in world of xeen but then the game i last played it like over 10 years ago , back then , when i bought it , it was in diskette format and i doubt that it had speech. (not that there's a lot of speech to be said - just the same things in armory , bank , etc).

Didn't even know there's a CD version of world of xeen. :D

[zaphod_x86]

I have Interplay's "Ultimate RPG Archives" which contains the CD version of this game.
And yes, it has speech for all NPCs (they have audio tracks on the CD) and no, the disk version never had speech.

[RIPclass]

Very nice games ;)

[Capo]

I definitely agree ;)

[dyingculture]

I managed to find an edition of this game included with Might and Magic VI at Big Lots a couple of years back...it includes 1-5 and Swords of Xeen. This is a classic series, and World of Xeen is one of the pinnacles of the CRPG genre.

One thing I have noticed though...recently I have been watching RPGenie's Might and Magic videos on YouTube (so far he has posted videos on MM1 NES, MM2 SNES, MM3 SNES, World of Xeen, VI, and VII), and it seems that the quality of the music in his World of Xeen (starting at like video 21) is far superior to the version I have.

Does he have some special enhanced edition? I read somewhere that the version I have is supposedly the disk version, but it does have speech. I would link to the videos, but I haven't read all of the stickies yet, so I don't know if it's okay to link to them or not.

[dyingculture]

I didn't see anything in the rules about not linking to YouTube, so here is the video I'm referencing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUglSIS3mlI&feature=related

[kmonster]

Run install and play around with the sound card selections. Different sound cards sound differently.

[dyingculture]

I tried that...there was definitely a difference in sound, but nothing like the quality heard in that video. Roland sounded a little better than Soundblaster when it came to certain instruments, but overall sounded much worse, like it's out of sync or something. Adlib was essentially the same as Soundblaster. DosBox doesn't seem to support any other sound hardware (at least that can be selected from the MMIV install utility).

[Mighty Midget]

Just in case you missed this: When you change the sound configuration in the game, you should also change it correspondingly in the dosbox config file.

[levethian]

Need to say - one of my favourite games. It took me a year to convince myself to play through its initially .. curious graphics, which I now think are lovely.

Any views on Swords of Xeen? I'm finding it less interesting, and more difficult.

[77jeep]

This game runs on XP fine without DOSBox. If you click on mm5crack.com and click properties, under memory set them all to auto and then run go.bat and the game lauches and runs fine. If you do that it creates a mm5crack.pif file and the game runs moother this way then under DOSBox.

Problem with this method is when you exit the game it puts you back in Windows with a 640x480 screen resolution with 256 colors so everything is hard to see and looks horrible untill you reset the resolution.

Anyone know if there is something that can be enabled or disabled in the pif file so that when you exit the game you are using the default resolution under Windows not 640x480. Maybe a command could be used in the go.bat file to do that? If so what would that command be?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Anyone know if there is something that can be enabled or disabled in the pif file so that when you exit the game you are using the default resolution under Windows not 640x480. Maybe a command could be used in the go.bat file to do that? If so what would that command be?
No such animal. Windows runs the DOS applications in their native resolutions.

[77jeep]

Anyone happen to have the excellent editor that once existed for this game? It allowed you to edit all of your characters as well as give and modify the items your pary had. The editor was advanced and simple to use. Was a great editor and the very few that can be found on the net pale in comparison to it.

It probably exists on a floppy disk somewhere forever lost and never to be seen again.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Nope, but I figure it could be recreated, provided we have proper data about offsets and their values.

[77jeep]

Came across a site with that info. Showed where character data, stats, items etc were stored. Having problems finding it again. Have not hex edited values in a game for quite some time. Easier editing what is running in memory with ArtMoney on current games.

[77jeep]

Found that Universal Game Editor with the Dark Savant module will edit most things in World Of Xeen. Am not for cheating to much in games but always tend do so a little once the game has been completed. Mainly wanted a character or save game editor to change the aging of characters in the game.

At one time I knew where everything was in this game. It is a great game considering the year it came out but the mapping system is not as robust as I wish it was. I figure my characters will be practially dead by the time I get close to completion of this game again so wanted to not have to worry about that to much.

Just wanted to let others know what to use if they wanted to do the same with this classic.

[RPG]

where can you actually download the game on this page

[RPG]

sorry for the question my anti virus was blocking the downloading links

[RPG]

way the hell do I need a password for living Vertigo and where can I find it

[yoga]

Mates,
I want to play Clouds of Xeen. But after I killed all monsters in Vertigo and try to leave the city, game asked me for some password. No idea. I lost 2 days to search for this protection in the Inet, no result.
Maybe some good person will be so kind to help me.
By the way I played the game about 6-7 times. But because my version was let say ah.. you-know .. I was unable to kill the Lord Xeen in the last battle with magical sword found in the underground of the Newcastle dungeon after password "laboratory"..
Then I started Darkside - same version .. of course same bad result. Well, now I want to wipe this lord forever, because my fight with this enemy is long.
But I need your kind help.
I am experienced and dedicated RPG player and need only this password.
Ty for yr help.
yoga
:)

[Paco]

this should help you. during the search of 40 pages i found 2 pic and 2 pdf. i have also the german version and all needing code in german.

[yoga]

Hurray

Vielen Dank!
Danke Sehr!
Merci , mon ami.
Ty.

yoga

Yes I tried. It worked. The word was "magic" and the door opened..

Now take care Lord Xeen.
The powerful yoga is after you.
:):laugh::idea:

[RPG]

the ''word'' really is a magic :wacko:

[RPG]

how can I change the resolution of the games in VDMSounds

[The Fifth Horseman]

What's the problem, exactly?

[RPG]

Nothing there is no problem
I want to change the resolution of the game like in the screenshots
because when I play the game it`s in native resolution 740x... something like that
can I change the resolution?
I use VDMSound

[The Fifth Horseman]

because when I play the game it`s in native resolution 740x... something like that
can I change the resolution?
I use VDMSound
Unfortunately, no.
VDMSound runs games at their native resolutions only.
If you want to run the game in a window, use aspect correction or scalers (or any combination of these), you need to use DOSBox.

[Capo]

Now take care Lord Xeen.
The powerful yoga is after you.
:):laugh::idea:


Lol,I love this guy :D

[yoga]

Hello, mates,
..Hey, Bodensee boy, Clouds of Xeen is a long game. Anyway thanks to your valuable help conc. door protection I already conquered all area excepts The Fire sector (Right UP) and The desert (Left UP). Central map water zone is still not Besuchen weil die monsters sind very very strong and my power ( 11-12 levels ) is not high still..
Right now I swiped these nasty, but very strong Barbarians located in the hills before the desert.
My plane is as follows:
-1. To delete all moving items on the land territory. 5 towns also.
-2. To enter and fight all castles and other towers.
-3. To goto undergrounds caves and so on. Shangri-la is my only problem zone. Well, more or less I still think what action is better: To enter shangri-la using mirrors or using the battle way passing fire zone and going down? Probably I will use mirror and then carefully prepared will start my battle way to the land surface.
Wow, this is not easy way, but yoga is trained veteran..
-4. The last actions are sky zones, stepping slowly and wisely to the final scene: yoga versus lord Xeen.
Yes, all forum members are kindly invited to see my victory. The battle theater is free. Cold free beer also. Front best places are reserved for nice Capo, Scatty, The 5-th horseman, Paco.. Pls all good people are invited. Sorry, no cats and dogs allowed.Anyway it is a serious battle but not bridge party.
Dank je wel.
yoga:idea:

[Paco]

Hello, mates,
..Hey, Bodensee boy, Clouds of Xeen is a long game. Anyway thanks to your valuable help conc. door protection I already conquered all area excepts The Fire sector (Right UP) and The desert (Left UP). Central map water zone is still not Besuchen weil die monsters sind very very strong and my power ( 11-12 levels ) is not high still..
Right now I swiped these nasty, but very strong Barbarians located in the hills before the desert.
My plane is as follows:
-1. To delete all moving items on the land territory. 5 towns also.
-2. To enter and fight all castles and other towers.
-3. To goto undergrounds caves and so on. Shangri-la is my only problem zone. Well, more or less I still think what action is better: To enter shangri-la using mirrors or using the battle way passing fire zone and going down? Probably I will use mirror and then carefully prepared will start my battle way to the land surface.
Wow, this is not easy way, but yoga is trained veteran..
-4. The last actions are sky zones, stepping slowly and wisely to the final scene: yoga versus lord Xeen.
Yes, all forum members are kindly invited to see my victory. The battle theater is free. Cold free beer also. Front best places are reserved for nice Capo, Scatty, The 5-th horseman, Paco.. Pls all good people are invited. Sorry, no cats and dogs allowed.Anyway it is a serious battle but not bridge party.
Dank je wel.
yoga:idea:

i would swap to darkside of Xeen and train. the Monster in Clouds of Xeen are very weak and you can train only to LVL 20! But on darkside of Xeen the Monster are very strong (especially Armadillo) but you can train up to far over LVL 200 and up. Key for some Dungeon in Clouds of Xeen can you only find it in darkside of Xeen!

Shangri-La is connected to the Fire-Sector. so if you cant beat the Monster there forget to leave Shangri-La to foot. Better is to buy a Portal-Spell and enter Shangri-La via Mirror, because Shangri-La has al ot useful Stuff.

I always swap between Clouds and Darkside to do Quest and get stronger. Tip: If you beginn in Darkside you are LVL 5 and then swap to Clouds you are a lot stronger than if you beginn in Clouds (only LVL 1).

i like cola not beer and then i need Chips. ^^

[yoga]

Hi, Paco,
I am progressing steady...
Well, today when you're in Darkside pls stop and turn back.
You'll see an approaching figure with cloak and cowl.
" Who, the hell, is this stranger?" thinks Capo and hands his sword.
Relax. Just said:
- Hi, yoga.. Wie geht es Ihnen?
Yes, it is me : black hairs mit Blue Augen.
(Sorry, mates, some german words for Capo).
I am bringing you some supply incl. cold coca, chips and so on.
And I politely will learn You how to kill this nasty Armadillio.
Then we will restore our magical and muscular strength and continue our battle.
Yes, seriously, I am in Castelview right now. I need a little more time to familiarize with present places. Now I am hunting after Goblin king. Then I will inspect the underground water wastage canals.
Will be real pleasure to progrees together ahead..
I will leave for a while Clouds and give Lord Xeen some more days life.

Greetings
from
small, sunny and lovely Bulgaria
the country of the dedicated gamer yoga
not dedicated but crazy :laugh:

Bodensee is warm now?

[Capo]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[yoga]

Hi, mates, a moral aspect question?
Well, I am playing Darkside , in fact Clouds of Xeen. So in the sewarage of Castleview is a man Vilio. I fulfill a task and back to him to report. He presented me. But around this man is a chest. No problem for powerful yoga to kill that man, but see above question.. Srry- When I try to open the chest , he cries out – Begone! Its my chest..

Off - What are these piece of 8? I am old member here but I was in a far lands (in monastery of Shao-Lin to improve my karate skills) so I know not bout these pieces..
Ty
yoga Shaolin fighter
:idea:

[The Fifth Horseman]

Off - What are these piece of 8? I am old member here but I was in a far lands (in monastery of Shao-Lin to improve my karate skills) so I know not bout these pieces..
Look it up in Site Comments/Suggestions and Important Announcements. It's been discussed plenty of times in last six months.

[Paco]

hi yoga

I live at Zürchersee not at Bodensee. This is North from Zürich.


anyways to your Question. Dont feel bad to rob his Chest. dont be shy to kill him. ^_^

[yoga]

@ The 5-th - Thank You very much.
Well, I know very good the Forum Rules but some times my head is dizzy cause of many battles. Do Y'know how many monsters one must kill in CX and much more in Dside? Hard job, really hard..

@Paco - To much sees in Swiss. :))
That boy was send to the Great Hunter Fields and chest robbed.

yoga the robber

Why,the held, the another chest is jumping like a kangaroo? Stop, you idiot..
LOL
:laugh::laugh:

[yoga]

Take care, Lord Xeen!:((
Yoga has the special sword to sweep you already.:idea:

[yoga]

Hi, mates,

May I dare describe my battle with Lord Xeen, unfortunately without success.
And ask for yr qualified help. Ty.
Start:
As you know Lord Xeen has 500 Hit Points , AC=25, Attacks =1 and special option =Eradical.
Acc. to the walk trough I start my battle day awaken at point A4, 3,4 and 4 magicians drinks +250 spell points. Then goto Nord, 7 steps after town of Winterkill, drink and up my AC +30 units. Back to Winterkill, enter it and drink to up might with 50 units, Mirror – Asp town, drink and up 100 hit points. Mirror – Vertigo and Slime Temple – Donation and my party is blessed (pls see the marks over my heroes). OK.
Then I use Lloyd beckon magic and Welcome Lord Xeen.
Before our mutual and kind conversation some remarks:
My first char from the left Atritius is equipped with special Xeen Slayer Sword. No any weapons.
All others chars are very good equipped after up-to-date technology and pumped.
So, after few friendly words we started:

Round 1:
Yog -Step ahead. LX appeared.
I use Teleport (3) and jump before nice Lord, face to face.
Zippo strikes first. No visible effect.
LX answered kindly. Result – my second Tyro is dead.
Atritius strikes. No visible effect??
Badger strikes. No visible effect.
Rebecca use Raise Dead on Tyro. Result – Tyro is alive.
Ceymour strikes by Star Burst ( Its a very strong magic). No visible effect.
Zippo strikes again. No visible effect.

Note: I am disappointed to see that no red flashes are visible on the Lord body when my Atritius attacks . It is strange cause in my previous battles, when I strikes enemies, these red flashes were visible indicating the enemy looses its hit points. Why? Again bad version? Oh, mercy yog, who play the game more than 6 years.


Round 2:
LX answered kindly.
Result – Rebecca looses many HP and became red (near to dead).
Immediately Badger use Power Cure on Rebecca and she is back to life.
So, this way we continued changing strike after strike.
I respect yr time and no need to explain all my rounds.
Y'know – strike, heal and again ..
But healthy indicator of LX remains green without any change to yellow and red color despite my non stop efforts, so I decide it is immortal.
Sadly, my power decreases and after 5-6 round I am down.:((
Yes, I am able (with GOD help) to withstand 1-2 rounds more against LX..


Note: Actuality, if I am not wrong, all other 5 members strikes
(except Atritius) are non important. They do not affected LX.
Note 2: Pls be informed I play this game more than 7 times and result is same always. I am not novice at all. Many years ago some forum member told me : Yog, no more than 3 rounds and LX is over.

One more question: How do you avoid Dragon taxes?

Thank you. Danke sehr. Dank je wel. Dzenkue. Sposibo.
Благодаря.

yog, crying down..

PS: I am ready to send my save file to any specialist of Clouds..
:D

[Paco]

Lord Xeen is very weak if you compare it to other Monster from Xeen. Only the Xeen Slayer can hurt him. Even the Obsidian Stuff are worthless again him but Spells will helps.

Pump up your Party with "Day of Sorcery" and "Day of Protection".

A High Level also helps. If all fails i will try out with the savegame.



as for the Dragon Taxes its simple:

1. cast etherealize
or 2. turn sideways and edge past them.

later if you read "Art of Taxation" you dont need to pay anymore.

[yoga]

Vielen Dank, Paco.

I will try following yr advices.
I am tired to play this CX again and again 6-7 years.
But I will continue the game in Darkside zone even this beast remains alive.
Nur eine minute, bitte.

stupid yog

All chars are 17-20 Lvs.
(In the Sphinx I made little mistake pumping Zippo twice with a level and this is the reason my first Atrituis to be 17-th level, but not 18. I have no problem to up Atrituis more high level but I am hurrying to swipe out the Lord. I played against all monsters so I am familiarized with them. No more thrill. The Lord is the only my target).
Is there some Lord-like creature in Darkside? By the way I meet a very strong monster Nord direction of Castleview. After the hills in some black lava-like place. No any greens. Mit 6 Kopfen und 3k might.:D

[yoga]

Hi, Paco,

I strictly followed yr directions.Sorry.
No result. Lord Xeen killed me after 4-5 rounds.
In enclosed rar file y will find my save file to try it.
Pls help me.

Ty.

yog
:D

PS: All forum members are kindly invited to DL my save file, played and show yog where he is wrong. Merci.

[kmonster]

I downloaded your "before battle" save, didn't even prepare for battle properly, only cleric and sorcerer cast day of sorcery and day of protection (+28 bonus is better than +8), teleported to lord Xeen so he didn't get a ranged attack, Zippo had the first melee attack, she equipped the xeen slayer sword and killed Lord Xeen with one blow, he couldn't even attack back.


PS: Play warrior mode, adventurer mode is far too easy unless you don't want to think about tactics at all.

[Capo]

No result. Lord Xeen killed me after 4-5 rounds.



Poor yoga :worried:

[yoga]

Kmonster, danke sehr,

Aber Ich wunshe zu kill the Lord ASAP so I am hurrying to kill this beast no matter how many of my chars will be dead. Rebecca or Church magician lady will resurrect them all (even one alive) for no time and small account of money.
OK, I will back and make all chars level 28.
But I am tired to start again the game in Warrior mode. I played this game more than FIVE years and maybe 7-8 times. No gamer in the world who played this game more times as yoga did.
I am waiting help from my friends Capo and Paco (my God, what names - some times I mess the names - He-he :)) ). If no one can help me, I will contract peace treaty with lovely Lord and will continued in dark side episode.

@Paco - Sorry for Euro 2008 :o

@Capo - Forza Italia :D

Kmonster, I ty for this help and another in 2007 year. Y'know what i mean.
Danke sehr noch einmal.

(D.land uber alles - in football meaning - Balak is hero).:D

[Paco]

@Yoga did you equip the Weapon&Armor? Nobody has Weapon and Armor equipped.

I would sell any "Metal" Medal/Amulett/Belt etc, because it dont bring you Defensepoints like Armor do. Paladin/barbar should carry Stuff which will bring them Strength. Sage Belt is good for Mage, Personality Ring good for Paladin/Cleric etc...

Dont use any Stuff with Bronze, Leather because its bring negative DP.

Please tell me your Emailadress over PN so i can send you the savegame after Lord Xeen Death. All i did was equipp the Party and casted DAy of Protection/Sorcery and attack Xeen and he died.

I dont care about Swiss bad Playing because i am Oranje!!

Italy will lose again Spain and Germany will lose again Portugal.

[kmonster]

It seems as if you don't know that you have to equip your gear in order to use it. If a weapon (or armor or access.) isn't equipped you're not using it, it's lying useless in your backpack. You can't kill Lord Xeen with your fists just because the sword is in the backpack, you have to wield the sword.
Choose equip in the weapon inventory and then select the sword. (or select the sword and then choose equip)
When Zippo has the sword equipped it should look like on the screenshot.

[Capo]

I dont care about Swiss bad Playing because i am Oranje!!

Italy will lose again Spain and Germany will lose again Portugal.

OT

Thanks to the Orange to have defeated Romania!

Obviously Spain will be the 2009 Euro champion :unsure:

[Paco]

Material Armor Weapon Hit

Wooden -3 -3 -3
Brass -2 -4 +3
Bronze -1 -2 +2
Leather 0 0 -4
Glass 0 0 0
Coral +1 +1 0
Crystal +1 +1 0
Iron +1 +2 +1
Lapis +2 +2 0
Pearl +2 +2 0
Silver +2 +2 0
Amber +3 +3 +3
Steel +4 +6 +3
Ebony +5 +4 0
Quartz +5 +5 +5
Gold +6 +8 +4
Platinum +8 +10 +6
Ruby +10 +12 +6
Emerald +12 +15 +7
Sapphire +14 +20 +8
Diamond +16 +30 +9
Obsidian +20 +50 +10

Again Accessories have no Material-Bonus.@Capo 2009? then Spain will never make it. :D

[yoga]

Hi, dear all,
It is a real pleasure for me to meet so kind and good gamers there.
Believe me.
Ja , ja naturlich..
Paco, Capo, Kmonster, Skatty and many others are fantastic..
. Well, right now I am watching TV. My favorite is Holland. So this evening I will support Netherlands. Rut v. Nistelroy is nice player. Dirk Kayt also.van Persie und Robben..
Yes, our Dimitar Berbatov in Tothenham is good player.
But I am tired of this final Germany versus Italy. (sry Capo und kmonster).

Have a good times amigos.

Greetings from lovely small BG.

the stupid yoga , who not equipped his chars. ha ha ha
Smile.. Can y imagine 6 years played with bare handed heroes..
LOL
:cheesy:

[yoga]

Hi, there,

the happy yog has the pleasure to announce that after 6 years battles the Lord Xeen was send to a better world at last.
Hurray 3 times..:))
Ty Capo and Kmaster and all...

Yes, I just equipped my chars after above directions and entered the battle.
Easy work:
LX was first and kill my Arturius. So what, Lord?
Rebecca resurects the hero.
LX badly hits my last hero Saymor, but Artiruis hits badly the lord.
The Lord hits Arturius but other magicians casted Power cure on him and his (Arturius) second attack killed the nasty lord. I can believe how easy was that job..

Now I has to find this 6-th mirror to King Burlock. Have no idea where is it?

I think I need some rest after 6 years battles with LX.
Who will be next football champion?
Hard question, xe xe, the Russians beat nice Orange Hollanders.
Will see..

Happy wise yoga

:laugh::):idea:

[yoga]

Hi, there,

Hot time now in BG - 36 Celsius Degrees.

Yes, but yog is already controlling about a half of Darkside territory.
I advance steadily.
Have some problems with terrible monster in A1 square. It is 6-headed Electrical monster with 3K might.
Still I an unable to kill it. My condition:
2 chars = 20 level
2 chars = 21 level
Zippo = 23 level. All chars are equipped with special ruby, emerald, diamond and other armors and weapons.

2. Dunno where is this 6-th mirror which is asked by King Burlock. This is the last quest for Clouds. Help pls.

3. Some day I will enter Shangri-la by mirror and leave by foot, battling to the earth face with demons and devils, proving my friends, the nice twins Paco and Capo how good player is yog.

yog, who's next champ?
Germany or Russia.

Greetings
Do not drink more than 3 beers, pls.

Remember: Yoga exercise can You help to withstand this hot weather.
yog is real Yoga
He is about 300 years old.;)

[kmonster]

1. If monsters are too tough to kill it's a sign that you're not supposed to be there yet. Avoid A1 until you gained more levels. Going there with level 20 characters is like exploring the lava in clouds with level 1 characters. The monster doesn't attack with electricity btw. With perfect strategy and a lot of luck you can kill the monster now, but you're not supposed to be able to fight or even kill it so early.

2. The 6th mirror was close to Lord Xeen. When you get near it a movie sequence starts (read the text which is displayed before), afterwards you just have to talk to the king to get this quest out of your log IIRC.

3. As soon as you're able to cross lava without taking damage this shouldn't be a problem any more. Level 31 power shield + level 32 protection from fire is sufficient for this.

[yoga]

Danke, kmonster,

Yes, you are right concerning the A1 monster (in lava-like land). I'm increasing my level till my last message. Now Zippo is 28 level and others 23-25.Still keeping power before the final battle with above mentioned beast.

My last: All Darkside territory (except some area in A1) is under powerful yog control. The towns of Sandcaster and Lakecity also.

My planes: To go to both towns undergrounds and then all Towers.

Remark: Very strange my last hero , the magician Seymour suddenly lost his Hp from 80 to 22, which is very confusing??He is 33 years old only! BTW he does not accept any special armor by ruby, emerald and so on?
Never mind I drink 500 hit points from a fountain and cont.

Gnadige kmonster, why YOU not speak bout phenomenal German victory against Turkye? It is remarkable event. Maybe You are not football fan.

Well, there were some towers in Clouds still not open able. When?

Greetings
the battler yog deep in Sandcaster sewerage
:cheesy:

[kmonster]

There are some areas on clouds which you can't enter before you finished darkside.
The only armor magicians can wear are robes, but he can wear robes of all kinds, even obsidian robes, you can buy one from the robe seller east of sandcaster if you're lucky.
I guess the reason why Seymor lost HP is that his endurance dropped very low. Each time raise dead is cast to bring someone back to life his endurance drops by one point. But this shouldn't be a problem since there's a pool in the southeast of the Ancient Yak Temple east of Nightshadow where you can increase con to 21-25 for everyone by bathing repeatedly, so there's no need to waste time visiting a temple for raising dead party members.

I like football, but I'm not a fortune teller. So I didn't write about the victory before it happened, in my post which I wrote before the match.

[yoga]

Hi, there,

Yog status:
Artur - 33 lvl
Tyro - 35
Badger - 33
Zippo - 40
Rebecca - 34
Seymor - 31
4 towns (without Olympic) controlled.
@kmonster, I killed all Gamma Gazer beasts.
Mein Gott, there were about 30 pieces.
Stupid yog started, thinking as a idiot there is one beast. OK. I killed one.
Strategy: Seymor - 3 times Implosion.
Rebecca - 2 times Cold Ray.
Suddenly 3 more attacked me. I killed them also. Well, I known than at the very edge far left is a nice fountain- giving 2500 hit points. So I stupidly cont. to that direction , killing one by one.
Hurray! My all heroes tried the fountain . Just in time. After a second I was attacked by 6-8 beasts. Was hard moment but brave yog win.
So, I strongly recommend all future gamers to reach this spoint and drink 2500 HP. Then is easy to battle.
. I have a problem in Northern Tower. Well, I reach the last 4-th level and a gold cup asked me - Who sent you? or like - I dunno. It noted: Study yr lections. There are 7 beds with strange abracadabra notes: some like AAAOOIEEEU.. I dunno is this character : digit zero 0 or letter O? Keine annung.
Maybe someone can help me. I spend a hour in vein to write and write.
Actually I am searching for some heart of Rosko.

off: Of course Germany will win.
kmonster do You remember me last year when we speaking bout Daggerfall?

My planes: Go back to Clouds - enter Shangri-la.
Then there is a cave where I will up my level by one.
Ah, there is a strange plane in lava area around Necropolis.
nice game very nice..

But where are my friends - the twins Paco and Capo?
Drinking cold beer, he he..

kmonster pls excuse me I am using some time yr lang words. I like humor and jokes, cause I am jester -loyal and ..
Well, it is very nice if someone tell me- Hey, yog kak si? (How are y- in BG lang, nicht war?)
:D

[Paco]

I have a problem in Northern Tower. Well, I reach the last 4-th level and a gold cup asked me - Who sent you? or like - I dunno. It noted: Study yr lections. There are 7 beds with strange abracadabra notes: some like AAAOOIEEEU.. I dunno is this character : digit zero 0 or letter O? Keine annung.
Maybe someone can help me. I spend a hour in vein to write and write.
Actually I am searching for some heart of Rosko.

That has to do with Vocable. All Questions (in Form from Books) in North Tower are without the Vocable so you need to answer with the missing Vocable.

off: Of course Germany will win.

Germany will NOT win because they always cheated!

But where are my friends - the twins Paco and Capo?
Drinking cold beer, he he..

I hate Alcohol so l like Cola!

[kmonster]

I hope you're right about germany will win, yoga. Spain seems to much better defense, but the game isn't played yet.

I'm glad I didn't spoil your surprise about the Gamma Gazers. Surprises are fun :p

The vowelless knights in the northern tower don't use vowels (=aeiou) in their books, you have to type the missing vowels in the right order to their phrases to gain complete texts and experience. It's very hard to find out directly if english isn't your main language and you therefore don't know the phrases, but the notes below the beds you found are the solutions.
IIRC you're asked about what you search on the top level, look into your quests what you were sent to get and type it like the vowelless knights do.


EDIT: poor Paco, the poor performance of the switzerland team obviously made your heart bitter.

[yoga]

Gentlemen, amigos,

Please, bitte,

MHO is that these football matches united the nations, not separated.
So pls do not argued. One has one favorite, another - another. Btw BG yoga is West Han United supporter.

@Paco - well, Germany is lucky team, but You will agree with me that they are very discipline players with high spirit. Principally this is a very special theme and no time or place to discuss who will be the winner.

@kmonster - yes, I 'll be with German nation tomorrow. But there is one thing that is not applicable in yr team - fantasy.
I not like this modern total football but a not predicable, fantasy-like , technical game. My favorite is a player who is able to take the ball from one end of the game field and reach another.

Now - Yes, surprises are fun. :). Oh, I am 55 levels already. Many battles, many wins. But another bad surplice was when the spirit of the desert accused me I am greedy and took back all his money with interest.
Yoga opened his mouth and stayed 1-2 minute as a stone. My Gott!!
Conc. these answers at 4-th level of abracadabra I give up. I am gamer , not linguist. I like fair battles but not some idiots asked me " I buy 5 lemons and 3 bananas for 3 golds and bla bla bla".
Weg damit! Hinaus..

Well, I find a fantastic way to up levels very easy. Listen to me:
1. All gang visited Necropolis and read Books of Dead vol. 1-6. 4 members are aged by 25 years but received 999999 experience. Both are not clever to read the books... he he.
2. Now visit the fountain of Ages ( small boy is purring water, sitting on a stone basement- it is located at very right down far edge).
3. Drink water and all negative aging is avoided. The age is constant.

But the trainer taxes are going bigger and bigger ( He asked for 20 000 gold for a level, so I am forced to stop for moment level increasing, trying to survive).

My very dangerous battle was when 2 Autobots attacked me in Shangri-la cave. Note that battle was only with magics, not any sabers or axes or bows. In fact Time distortion helped me.

Greetings
and pleasant Sunday evening before TV.

(Paco, one more word - please take a small piece of ordinary steel , nail, and pour it with cola in a small container. You will see that after a while the nail disappeared. Imagine what is going on in our stomaches when cola in).

:cheesy:

[Capo]

the happy yog has the pleasure to announce that after 6 years battles the Lord Xeen was send to a better world at last.


Hurray,Hurray to Lord Yoga :laugh:




Also compliment to Spain EuroChampion 2008 :cry:

[Paco]

EDIT: poor Paco, the poor performance of the switzerland team obviously made your heart bitter.

No I am Oranje-Fan and not a Fan from the stupid Swiss, but i hope Hitzfeld will make Swiss better. I have always hated Germany because they always cheated by raping the Luck too many.

I am glad Germany is not EM. YEAH!!!!

But the trainer taxes are going bigger and bigger ( He asked for 20 000 gold for a level, so I am forced to stop for moment level increasing, trying to survive).

If you want to be over Level 200, You will need many several Hundred Million. :D So it will take time to collecting enough Money to push your Part all up to LVL 200 and above.

(Paco, one more word - please take a small piece of ordinary steel , nail, and pour it with cola in a small container. You will see that after a while the nail disappeared. Imagine what is going on in our stomaches when cola in).:cheesy:

So? :p

Also compliment to Spain EuroChampion 2008 :cry:

Congratulations also from me. Its better than Germany to be Champion. :cheesy:

[yoga]

Nice match.
But its the life - One win , die andere - kaput..

@Capo and Paco - Hello twins :))

Paco,
So? Weiter?
Bei Kauf , die Augen auf - sagts meine alte grandmuti.

he he he

Lord Yog will rest for a while.

Nice company here.
Pls do not cry dear kmonster.
Next year You will win.

Take care, lord Alamar.

The powerful yog is keeping might..

Ciao

yoga:D

[yoga]

Hi, all,


I did all quests. My levels are 50-58.
I stopped next increasing of levels because of financial problems:
Would be so kind to help me conc. Next items:



Dungeon of Dead. It is located in Clouds. I entered it but there are some crosswords in level one and because I dunno the answers , no Level 2 entering possible.
Ambrose's mission. I have no idea what to do with this Bridle? Castle Blackfang is accessible after this mission.
In the Skyroad I try to defeat some MegaDragon but this beast is so powerful. If I defeat it, I will be able to enter some castle or like.
In entered Castle Kallindra, repaired the first mirror , but cant find it. The instruction told me -coordinates (1,1), but not specify the quadrant.


Any ideas are welcomed.


Danke sehr. Ty.


Yog

[Paco]

Dungeon of Death. It is located in Clouds. I entered it but there are some crosswords in level one and because I dunno the answers , no Level 2 entering possible.
Ambrose's mission. I have no idea what to do with this Bridle? Castle Blackfang is accessible after this mission.
In the Skyroad I try to defeat some MegaDragon but this beast is so powerful. If I defeat it, I will be able to enter some castle or like.
In entered Castle Kallindra, repaired the first mirror , but cant find it. The instruction told me -coordinates (1,1), but not specify the quadrant.Any ideas are welcomed.
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/puzzles.shtml At the Entrance there is a Sign which gives you some Clue to some Puzzle.
After you buyed it. lets enchanded it at Sandcaster. Then bring its to Ambrose at B1.
The MegaDragon has 64000 HP. So of course, he isn't so a Puppy like Lord Xeen. This is not the only Entrance to Castle Alamar. There are other like the Frontdoor in A1, Backdoor in Shangri-La or Teleporter.
give more Info please. Do you mean the Teleport Mirror or what?

[yoga]

Thank You very much again , Paco,

Yes, after yr help I solve Ambrose mission and many crosswords anywhere:
In Skyroad, in E4/0/13 and more..

Now:
Levels 56-61.
Money - 3.5 mil.
Gems - 20 000
Status: The Dragon Pharaon asked me to find the pilot of the second Flugzeug, aber Ich habe keine Annung wenn a very special crossroad meet me ; Some like

GO 12-14
BODIDLEY 2-5-6-14-15
TO 14-15
????? 2-3-41-15
?? 14-17
??? 14-15-32
??? ................
?????? ..............

Answer

????? ?? ??? ??? ??????

(Note: All numbers are written for example)

O, mein Gott, If I solve this last one, maybe only the Town of Olympus will be my last location?

Conc. mirror, Yes I mean Teleport mirror activated in Castle Kallindra.

MegaDracon (64k) is the strongest enemy around, but I reserve the right to duel after I finish all, because I will use this 3,5 mil gold to reach the possible higher levels and then " Hello , Mr. Mega, are you ready to die?"

Paco, are you the masked author of this game?

Greetings

yog,
who especially installed Windows Me at his second PC for faster gaming. Yes, I enjoyed because in XP, DosBox sign. decreases the game speed. Moreover on WinME I am using the full screen. :D

[kmonster]

In the riddle in the spaceship each number represents a certain letter. You have to complete the text. It's something like "to boldly go where no man has gone before" or so, it's a quote from star trek.

When you're in this spaceship don't forget to have everyone use the strange devices in the back after activating them to get all stats below 50 raised by 50.

[yoga]

Danke sehr, kmonster und Paco,
Ausgezeichnet, Wunderschon!


Merci, mon ami,
TY.
..Und meine laste Fragen:
1.I am in Dungeon of dead (Clouds of Xeen) level 2.
Well, first of all my thanks for nice Paco, who send me a help link for level 1. But in level 2 I meet serious enemies: Skeletal Lich - Well, being 60-66 levels I was upset because these beasts hit me by Eradical magic and unequipped my team. After heavy fighting I cleared the area. But new problem arises: There are 11 dials (with 1-2-3-4 digit). Noch ein mal Ich habe keine Ideen what to do? To try random combinations is not clever idea because I have to multiply 11x10x9x8x7x6x5 combinations or 11!. Yog has good math results.. he he
2. Because I have now about 3.5 mil gold I decided when I am let say one step to the end to meet again MegaDragon in Skyroad.( Just to enjoy this battle). So I will spend these money to pay these very high trainer taxes and increase the possible higher levels. Aber I am unable to find the Trainer location in Castle Kalinda!Zum Teufel!Rats! I found the Temple but do not find the Trainer location. Sandcaster trainer can not offer me higher levels. My status is 60-66.
Yes, Paco, it is really 64 k , but yog likes similar battles. Bitte..
3. Well, why is still not opened a tower and cave and the second sphinx in Clouds?Tower is 5 steps Nord after D of dead, cave is in West and sphinx is in the desert?

Greetings from hot BG ( 40 Degrees - Mama mia Capo)..
yog:D

[The Fifth Horseman]

1. According to GameFaqs:
Set the dials on the east wall to 3(15,3 and 15,8), the north to 2(2,15 and 9,15) and the west to 1(0,11 and 0,4). Sometimes the game seems fussy if you don't adjust the dials at all, so just turn the west dials four times.

2 & 3. GameFaqs again, one of the guides there has a very good rundown on how to max out your levels, and I believe there will be info on the locations you're talking about too:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564552.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/564553.html

[Paco]

1. well fifth said its already
2. Just LVL 60 and only 3,5 Mio? That is no good. Olympus is the Last City where you can train up to LVL 200, but like i already said you need many hundred Millions for it. The best way is to buy Plate Armor and enchanted its to Diamond/Saphir/Rubin/Emerald and sold it. This way you get many Gold in a short of Time.
3. dont speak in Puzzle. please be more clear what you want.

[yoga]

Hello, my dearest friends,

Well, even the iron made yog is tired. (Ich bin sehr mude).
No, no, I am not at nice Black sea beaches, making love
with nice German and Swiss girls.
Yog is a real yoga and strictly follows the yoga philosophy declaring " Harmony in molecular and cosmic level". Moreover, what a solder is this one who spend the night battling in the bed with girl?
You do not believe I am real yoga? Even if I tell you I perform the asana named Cobra or Sarvangasana ( Upside down body)? Or Bhagavad Gita - the book of the books?
Ask me what You want conc. yoga. Visit BG yoga site and y'll see my posts.

For a moment the battle actions will be canceled.
Anyway, I am battling more than 6 years in this game.

I hate extreme sunny temperatures.
Maybe in the future I will go to Tibet caves with my laptop.
Cold, calm and relaxed place.
A hollow rice and kilo water are enough for real one.

Greetings
:D:suspicious:

[Borodin]

If I recall correctly, the MegaDragon isn't necessary to finish the game. It can be bypassed without affecting anything else--though I do recall killing it, once.

[yoga]

No more Lord Alamar.
cont..:D

[dosraider]

Everytime you kill something a bit of you dies with it ....... :(

[yoga]

Ja, naturlich, Dosrider,
aber nicht yog killed Alamar but Corak.

as a real yog i never kill living creature,
believe me..

Battlefield report /last minute/:
Deep in Dungeon of Dead heavy fighting with
terrible five Vampire Kings...
cont..

:D

[yoga]

Hi, there,


The stupid yog thought that after killing Lord Xeen, the mission accomplished. Wrong!
The above person thought that after killing Lord Alamar, the mission accomplished. Wrong at all!
He had to reunite the both Xeen worlds. Easy to say, hard to do.
I have to

* turn on the machines at the corners of Cloudside ??
* wake the sleepers in the Elemental Planes in Darkside - done
* rescue Prince Roland from Alamar's Castle
* open the way to the Cloud world above Darkstone Tow


Well, lets go:
Status: All heroes 60-66 levels. Age : 31-32.
Money and gems: 4.5 mil gold ; 22 000 gems.


Problems and questions:

In location C3/6/9 in Gemston mine, a God of Minerals asks me to give him 250k gold to replenish the gems inside mountains. Yes or not?
In Dungeon of death (Clouds of Xeen ) area I fulfilled the problem level 2 with kind help of The fifth Horseman ( Dzenkue bardzo, pane 5). Then I killed these very strong Vampire kings (5 pieces) in the coffins and entered level 3. Here I find and bang all 4 gongs but when back in location 17/3 I am unable to proceed with lever receiving a message: “The lever won't budge”, so I an unable to enter level 4 and meet again all Xeen cloning, fight and stop 4 Xeen machines. So sadly even I know this task is additional.. Is this a game bug , or yog is wrong?
In the Skyroad I jumped like grasshopper and find some yellow teapots ( Y'now, same as in the dessert below) but their owner has very strange feeling of gratitude, offering me to: A) Yog Die; B) Yog friends die, C) None of above – every chance results in imm. Dead.. So, jumping randomly by Teleport I found in area E1 3 tradesmen offering me some stuff for 200 or 400 or 600 gems. Buy or not?
I am unable to turn on the machines at the corners of Cloudside - “Activate the machines. This is easy. Use the Teleport spell to reach the reflectors in the corners of Cloudside.” A quotation. But how to do that action? Where to teleport myself? Reflectors??Dont see any?

Where, the hell, is this Dragon Tower (Cloudside D1 10/5) and its key? In Alamar Castle dungeon? 13/3?
A yog trick for Skybandits – Simply keep all your money in the Swiss banks. Take with you less than 10 k gold and answer 1 to bandits. They do not accept 9999 gold so keep going the road. He he ..


Thanks a lot.


Yog starving to finish this 7 year long saga..:)

[Paco]

1. If you have grabbed all Gem in all Mines say yes and the Mines will be filled with Gem again. So you grab more Gem. bring them to A3/A4 to buy Gem Armor but NO Weapon! (a Diamond Panzer Armor for example can be selled for over 200000 Gold) so you can sell it. Then repeat it to make more Money.

2. you need to ring the 4 Gong at (2/3), (2/28), (29/4), (27/30) first before you can pull the Lever. That is all what you need to enter Level 4.

3. even Though one who receives Death becomes EXP. Please check before and after Death the Experience Points. Its like "You will die but get lots of Exp".

You mean Amulett, Talisman, etc with Attributes? That is up to you for to decides but you find usually better stuff in Chest and so, i Think.

4. Where? at every Corner in Clouds World.

http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/map4_a1.htm
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/map4_a4.htm
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/map4_f4.htm
http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/pc/mm4_5/map4_f1.htm

teleport yourself on that small Island outside, but beware a false Step means instantly Death for all. On these Islands you can only do one thing.

5. The Dragon Tower is in the Middle of Lavasea! The Key is east from the Exit to Shangri-La in Dungeon.

6. If you are strong enough you can fight them. why pay when you can kill them. ^^

[yoga]

Rodger that, amigo.
Nice advices, esp. 6

he he

smiling yog

:laugh:
LOL

[Borodin]

Been a long time since I played through the whole thing--since it first came out, in fact--so I started up a new game.

Just a few hints, nothing much:

Stick to the cloudside, first. It begins at level 1. Darkside begins with a boss at level 5, and some level 3 beasties.

Check out the two fountains near Vertigo at the start of every day. One gives you a small armor boost, the other adds greatly (at that point) to your hitpoints.

Try to grab the phyrna roots from the pasture to the south, so the quest near Vertigo will net you a bunch of poison antidotes. This will prove very helpful in your first dungeon.

Build up your party. Spend on spells--the only weapons upgrades you should consider are making sure those in your party who can use ranged weapons, have them.

The mirror in Vertigo will take you to the four other cities, if you name them. I generally found that after making it through the Red Dwarf Mines, I was ready to take on all the cities, in their natural order. Be sure you get Asp cleared out prior to taking on Rivercity! The Asp fountain will give your party extra levels for a day: a real boon, as you'll discover once you enter the Street Fightin area of Rivercity.

More, later.

[kmonster]

Be sure you get Asp cleared out prior to taking on Rivercity! The Asp fountain will give your party extra levels for a day: a real boon, as you'll discover once you enter the Street Fightin area of Rivercity.
Nightshadow has the fountain which grants the important extra levels. The Asp fountain only grants a few hitpoints.

[Borodin]

Nightshadow has the fountain which grants the important extra levels. The Asp fountain only grants a few hitpoints.

You're right--though there's nothing wrong with +100 hit points per drink, especially when it's added after you've visited Nightshadow. That means your party usually gets to take two swigs a piece, one to bring it up to approximately where it would be at a +5 level, and another for the additional 100 points beyond that. :)

Let's see...

Save before you eat any of the "forbidden fruit" in the Darkside. Some of the fruit that causes negative effects are pretty counter-intuitive, in my opinion.

Lloyd's Beacon is a damn useful spell: let's you set a spot, and port back to it, whenever you want to, as long as your character is awake, has enough spell points, and your party is out of battle. Although only Sorcerers and Archers can cast LB, at higher levels you can find or purchase items that contain the spell. Be sure to give one to each party member, and let them set independent locations. Two LB items on a single party member will always go to the same place.

Return repeatedly to the rundown castle on the Lightside. You'll be able to purchase repeated upgrades, that will yield opening stones to other dungeons.

Although you don't have to sleep for 24 hours before feeling the effects, try to get your party in a regular cycle of sleeping (always 8 hours, unless you're awakened in an unsafe area) when night hits. That's because come 5 AM, all fountain effects, spells, blessings, etc, wear off on your party. You probably don't want to be in the middle of somewhere dangerous without a quick exit back to town when all your bonuses, etc, wear off.

Giving a donation in Vertigo until the blessing takes effect is a good, cheap way of getting some nice bonuses early in the game. Later, when your cleric has Day of Protection, you'll find it far more powerful in giving you the same bonuses.

Note that if you have to unpetrify, resurrect, etc, a party member at a temple, he/she will lose all their fountain effects, etc. Uncursing is separate, and doesn't lose these.

More to come.

[kmonster]

Lloyd's Beacon is a damn useful spell: let's you set a spot, and port back to it, whenever you want to, as long as your character is awake, has enough spell points, and your party is out of battle. Although only Sorcerers and Archers can cast LB, at higher levels you can find or purchase items that contain the spell. Be sure to give one to each party member, and let them set independent locations. Two LB items on a single party member will always go to the same place.

Rangers and druids can cast LB too. An item which casts LB can be used by different party members for different locations. Make sure you don't spend the last charge, it's worth using recharge spells or items on it.

[Borodin]

Rangers and druids can cast LB too.

My ranger couldn't acquire the spell.

An item which casts LB can be used by different party members for different locations.

Mentioned that one, already. ;)

[kmonster]

On clouds side rangers and druids can buy "Lloyd's Beacon" where archers and sorcerers can buy it (shangri-la and another town (rivercity ?), on dark side they can only buy it at olympus, not in castleview like the sorc/arc.

[Borodin]

On clouds side rangers and druids can buy "Lloyd's Beacon" where archers and sorcerers can buy it (shangri-la and another town (rivercity ?), on dark side they can only buy it at olympus, not in castleview like the sorc/arc.

Cool. Thanks for providing that.

A few more tips:

Don't use the last charge of the most powerful spell-using items you've found, until you get the Recharge Item spell. Then have your sorcerer charge those items up, and keep them charged.

If you're looking for an item that casts a specific spell--say, Town Portal, or Day of Protection, or Lloyd's Beacon--then it might pay to hang around a few days in the most dangerous city that you've thoroughly explored. Check the smithy every day after 5 AM, when a new group of these items will be offered to the public.

Save before you prospect in the caverns of the Darkside. The chance that you'll blow up and heavily damage your party isn't based on your thief's luck, but random. There's also a chance that you'll turn up 3 precious rocks instead of just 1.

Don't bother with temple blessings once your cleric gets Day of Protection. He/she will be able to cast a blessing at a higher level using that spell, plus it also includes such other benefits as protection from all elements.

Speaking of which, learn to cast the two Day spells (one each for the cleric and sorcerer) each day, before you hit the road, after you've used any fountain that gives your party a temporary level boost.

Although you want to concentrate the might and accuracy upgrades on your tanks, it still wouldn't hurt along the way to pick up precious stone weapons usable by your druid, cleric, and sorcerer. Their help in melee can prove useful if spell power is low, or you're in a zone where spell power is leeched.

Cover every bit of land. You can never tell what may show up unseen, underground, or what previously unseen monster you come across that yields experience and goods.

[Rogerwilco]

Hi. For what it's worth . . ..

Got the game, ran it in DosBox, works okay...except whenever I entered an establishment, like the Blacksmith, it would freeze up when I tried to exit....

If anyone else has/had this problem, just turn off the sound effects before entering and and it won't freeze....

RogerWilco and out

[The Fifth Horseman]

Did you configure the game's sound setup to use the correct IRQ? That's the most frequent cause of games crashing in DOSBox during an attempt to play a digitized sound effect.

[Rogerwilco]

Good point, but the sound - like "Whadda *you* want - does play okay. And you can brouse, buy, etc. It's just that when you go to exit it hangs up. I'll check out the IRQ, though . . .. thanks

Rogerwilco and out

[Borodin]

That does seem like a sound/IRQ problem, as The Fifth Horseman said, related to music swapping when you leave a merchant screen. Try running setup for the game, and select no music for that option. If there's no freeze when you leave the blacksmith this time, you'll know it's just a matter of finding the right IRQ setting and card choice. I recommend one of the Soundblaster selections.

[kmonster]

Using Adlib instead of Soundblaster works also quite well, it's interesting how different it sounds.

[Rogerwilco]

okay, Kmonster, if you could let me know how to change it to Adlib, I'd appreciate it. Unless i'm blind - Close, but not there yet - I don't see any options in the game, nor a standalone that'll change the sound cards, etc.

If you're talking about in DOSBOX, I'm using a front end from Loonies software that's simple and it works, but there's no paramaters that can be included.

So if it *is* in DosBox, could you include the commands in a BAT file that DosBox would accept?

Hope that makes sense

Thanks for your help

rogerwilco and out

[dosraider]

Run install to change the soundconfig, can not be done ingame.

[Rogerwilco]

In the off chance anyone out there is playing World of Xeen, here's a quick & dirty money & gems cheat . . .. in Basic, of course, but you've got the byte locations, so in any language.....


Assuming you're modifying the first file . . ..

Num& = Whatever number you want

OPEN "dark01.sav" FOR BINARY AS #1

PUT #1, 14848, Num&
PUT #1, 14844, Num&

CLOSE

[Talin]

or you could use the UGE module.

[sgtboat]

The bloody thing works fine until i go to the inn and try and talk to the innkeeper. Is that the sound running funny again. Or is it something else?

[Elward]

Sound is the problem if the game freezes when NPCs should talk, like at a town's gate or a temple.

[phile]

This is my comment about Might & Magic World of Xeen.

Maybe since it was the "first" RPG that I played when I was 13 years old, but this game is my oldie favorite. The game had very nice graphics for 1993 / 1994 (I say nice because they were drawn and not an attempt at ugly vector or 3d graphics). Also, the game comprised everything I wanted in RPG :
swords, axes, full plate, scale armor.... (classic equipment),

liches, dragons, dwarves, elves, goblins, orcs, mages, insect swarms, golems, giants, werewolves, ... (many types of "classic D&D" monsters).

The game sported EXCELLENT music for its time (the music gets you addicted).

Maybe the best part is that since MM World of Xeen, the ONLY other games where I've been able to lead a party of > 4 adventurers have been the Baldur's Gate series (those using Infinity Engine of Bioware, aka Icewind Dale,...) So, that best part is that you can control from 1 to 8 characters at a time. That means that after exploring a gigantic world and leveling from level 1 to level 255, you'll love and get attached to your characters.

Enjoy that game and share with others !

Philippe, Montreal

[Xebarsis]

I'm thinking of tackling this game with a single character, would anyone have a suggestion as to which class would be best for soloing?

I know that if my character isn't a robber or a ninja I'm gonna have a really hard time getting loot, but I won't have the ability to teleport which may be a requirement to complete the game.

[kmonster]

A solo character is a little annoying since you need 2 pathfinders or mountaineers to cross forest or mountains and won't have much space for carrying stuff around, but it's doable.
You can add a dead character for being able to use those skills if this is too uncomfortable for you, but you don't have to.

If you don't have a thief or ninja you won't be able to open the chest containing the key to Necropolis which will also make it impossible to do the 3 statuettes quest or entering the NWC Dungeon, but you can finish the game without those sidequests.

You need the jump and teleport spell for finishing the game, but you can use items to cast them and others.

I guess the best races for soloing are ninja, robber or archer but every class should be soloable, knight and barbarian are the hardest. I've successfully soloed a half-orc ninja and human archer (no relaod) myself.

I'd make luck the highest and accuracy the second highest stat at creation, the others can be raised to 255 easily.

[Xebarsis]

Hmmm.. no pathfinding and no swimming... that would make things really interesting. How would I get to Darzog's tower without being able to swim?

[kmonster]

For swimming not 2 but all party members have to know that skill, so that's no problem for a solo character.

[Xebarsis]

Alright, I've decided for the first time around (and perhaps the last) doing a solo character I'm going to make a Ninja. If I were to make him a half-orc would his thievery be noticeabley handicapped?

[kmonster]

Thievery won't be a problem, the skill will be 35 lower than for a gnome robber of the same level, but since you get +2 for every level and level much faster you'll even have far better thieving skills than the average thief in a party of 6.

[Xebarsis]

Thievery won't be a problem, the skill will be 35 lower than for a gnome robber of the same level, but since you get +2 for every level and level much faster you'll even have far better thieving skills than the average thief in a party of 6.

Excellent, half-orc ninja it is. However, I've thought of another complication..

I won't be able to cast light when I'm in dungeons, am I going to have to crawl through the whole place blind or is there an easy way to obtain items that can cast light?

[kmonster]

You need an item which can cast the light spell, day of protection or day of sorcery also include light.
I don't remember if donating at temples grants the light spell too.

You can enforce getting an item for casting the light spell if you reload before looting locations where you usually get nonmagical weapons or armor.

[KZA]

I dont know if i set any firsts or anything, but i did just beat the game with just a ninja. I even killed the megadragon. It really wasnt too hard since all of the power ups that one usually has to divide among the whole party went to one person.

i did carry around a dead level 1 char just so that pathfinding and mountain climbing would work.

[KZA]

I see others are trying this out now too. Its quite do-able. The hardest part of the game was probably sandcaster, and the great western tower. once you get some levels its a breeze. even the minotaur dungeon was a breeze with solid obsidian gear from those boulders in the desert.

[DaveMC]

I'm running World Of Xeen on DOSBox 0.72, 7000 cycles, Frameskip 0. Up til now it's been running perfectly, no problems at all except for a slight stutter in the music background in the trainers in Castleview, Darkside. My party is only at levels 15-16 currently. Recently, I found a couple of items of Town Portal, which none of my characters have as spells yet. When I try to use one, no matter where I try, in a dungeon, town, or on the land, I crash out of the game immediately, back to the DOSBox command line. The error I see there is: Error drawing sprite in window: 0000 handle: 0009 frame: 0008!

Has anyone encountered and solved this problem before, or has the DOSBox knowledge to enable me to solve the problem myself?

Thanks for any help given.

[red_avatar]

You're not the only one with this problem:

There are two issues I have with this game, first the speech always locks the game so I have to turn sound effects off, secondly when using the town portal spell (but not the mirrors) it locks up, or if I change the cycle setting to max instead of auto drops the game with the message. "error drawing sprite in window" any help would be great.

This was found on the DOSBox forum. The cycle thing makes me guess that it's based on the amount of cycles you use. Try setting your cycles lower than 7000 right before you use the scroll (to 4000 or so) or raise it to 15000. Also try switching between dynamic and normal core.

[DaveMC]

You're not the only one with this problem:



This was found on the DOSBox forum. The cycle thing makes me guess that it's based on the amount of cycles you use. Try setting your cycles lower than 7000 right before you use the scroll (to 4000 or so) or raise it to 15000. Also try switching between dynamic and normal core.

Ok, tried going from 4000 to 15000 cycles in increments of 500 and trying the spell after each increment. Always crashed out after each try. Tried switching to dynamic core, with cycles set to max, crashed out. Tried changing the Frameskip from 0 - 5, in increments of 1, crashed out every time.

Thanks for the help though, I appreciate it. I guess I'll just try to play the game without using Town Portal.

[_r.u.s.s.]

dynamic core is usually set by auto i think

try using core full or core normal

[DaveMC]

Tried using both core=full, and core=normal, with cycles=max, and also cycles at 4000 to 20000 cycles, implemented at 500 cycle increments. Still crashes.

[kmonster]

Did you try to change the soundsettings by running the install.exe in the xeen directory ? Does it still crash if you select no sound ?

[Unregistered_Chick]

I tried to go to level two of the Southern Sphinx, and even after I cast Divine Intervention, it still told me, "Begone, cursed ones!"
What the hell is going on? ;-;

[kmonster]

Are you still cursed ?

[Unregistered_Chick]

No. The people aren't cursed, the weapons/armor aren't cursed.. :/ Nothing and no one is cursed.

[kmonster]

I'd try leaving the sphinx and returning later to this location without getting cursed.
It's an optional location, you don't miss anything important there important there, just some XP and maybe a few gems, you'll get more than enough of both later in the game.

[Unregistered_Chick]

Oh, trust me, I've tried that constantly.
A while ago, I was cursed, and I clicked the stairs and it said begone. So, I uncursed myself and clicked gain and got the same message. Then I beaconed the spot and went to do other things, and after some time, I came back and then was told the same thing. :/

But oh well. Since you say it's optional, I guess I'll just forget about it.

[Maxor127]

Excellent game. My favorite Might and Magic game. I never really got into any of them after this one. My favorite part of the game is probably the end video for Darkside of Xeen. I watched it over and over again because I thought it was amazing. I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't played. I think it's one of the top endings I've ever seen for a game though.

[TotalAnarchy]

Because it's sold on Amazon, World of Xeen is now not available for download.

[the.duckman]

Hello adventurers,

I am setting up a facebook group for fans of the xeen games.

Come find it:
the group is called
I still play Might and Magic (III,IV,V) "Isles of Terra" & "World of Xeen"

Cheers.

-Wazza

[TheChosen]

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