View Full Version : What's Wrong With Homm 4?
I used to play HOMM 3 with my brother all the time and I recently found HOMM 4 in a bargain bin. I've tried it out and so far I have to say I like it. But when I read reviews and listen to peoples comment about it, I seldom read anything positive. So my question is: What's so bad about HOMM 4 ?
HOMM = Heroes of Migth and Magic
BeefontheBone
31-03-2005, 10:25 AM
I liked it too, but most of my friends who i used to play hotseat with stuck to HoMM3 - I think they couldn't be bothered to get used to the ways it was slightly different to the earlier ones. It's not just you that likes it though!
Omuletzu
31-03-2005, 01:33 PM
HOMM 4 is a very good game, as a stand alone.But if you take into account that it's the sequel to HOMM 3, then it's a very poor game.For instance i didn't like the fact that it borrowed to concept of building your army from Disciples.
Borodin
31-03-2005, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Omuletzu@Mar 31 2005, 01:33 PM
HOMM 4 is a very good game, as a stand alone.But if you take into account that it's the sequel to HOMM 3, then it's a very poor game.For instance i didn't like the fact that it borrowed to concept of building your army from Disciples.
How does that necessarily make it a very poor game? Especially since all the concepts in the HOMM series came from other games, published earlier?
Omuletzu
31-03-2005, 02:04 PM
It's worst in gameplay than it's predecessor, i mean come on, don't you sense it??
And it really saddened me to see that they STOLE game concepts from Disciples...
But i don't want to flame anybody, although i am in the mood..., so i'll stop here, this is just my opinion
Have fun
irrelevantjet
31-03-2005, 02:29 PM
i found HoMM4 bad because of....
i don't know really..... i just LOVE HoMM3 so much compared to this game
i guess HoMM3 earnt my love and HoMM4 is trying to use that love to get into my life without effort LOL
i love the graphics in HoMM3... the semi-alright 3d graphics of HoMM4 made me a bit sad :eeeeeh:
Chuck the plant
31-03-2005, 05:50 PM
The point's already been made: While HOMM 4 might not be a bad game in its own right, it just plain sucks in comparision to HOMM 3 (I even bought all four add-ons... should give you an idea of how much I loved that game... :blink: ).
Originally posted by Chuck the plant@Mar 31 2005, 05:50 PM
The point's already been made: While HOMM 4 might not be a bad game in its own right, it just plain sucks in comparision to HOMM 3 (I even bought all four add-ons... should give you an idea of how much I loved that game...* :blink: ).
Why does it suck? What's better in HOMM 3? (Apart from the music and the fact that there are more towns in HOMM 3 :whistle: )
Dreadlord
31-03-2005, 07:22 PM
Well, HOMM 3 is better balanced, graphics are better for it's time, it's got all that fancy shiz dealing with it's unit system, but HOMM 4 just let out with bugs and confusing interface probs.
Chuck the plant
31-03-2005, 07:31 PM
More towns, units, items...
Graphics look much better (not just for that time, this pseudo-rendering in HOMM4 just plain sucks) and are more practical as well (iso is not really the way to go here)
Better balanced (more tactical depth, especially when including the add-ons)
better music
better controls
Better "overall-feeling"... HOMM4 just looks and feels so clinical. I love style of HOMM3. It might not look realistic at all, but it's just vibrant with all those colours, little animations etc... while HOMM4 tries to recapture that, it fails miserably. It just doesn't feel right... like a CGI-remake of the Muppet Show wouldn't feel right.
wormpaul
31-03-2005, 08:00 PM
HOMMM 4 misted just the total feeling :not_ok:
Dreadlord
31-03-2005, 08:01 PM
Misted? What do you mean by that?
wormpaul
31-03-2005, 08:05 PM
Sorry:
Must be:
Missed
Homm3 got some special feeling, gives something special to me..
Homm 4 total missed that
Lizard
31-03-2005, 08:07 PM
Well, HOMM 3 is better balanced
Ahem-Archangels-ahem
In Homm4 they put the Homan system on head.
Strange graphics(It really dont PASS in HOMM serie),
they allowed to fight with heroes(another major flaw.Heroes were in HOMM there for SUPPORT large army of monsters and not to slay them :angry: )
Unbalance
Few playable monsters
Copied concepts from Disciplies(OK this wasnt that bad, but this copied system was WORSE than original.If you are going to steal something,make it at least better :angry: )
Etc....
I dont think HOMM 4 is bad game.I just dont see it as part of HOMM serie...
In what way is it unbalanced?
Chuck the plant
31-03-2005, 08:17 PM
In what way?
Hmmm... how about "one way teleporters all around your town and enemy heroes constantly popping out of them"? :whistle:
Lizard
31-03-2005, 08:17 PM
Good side is better than evil(again)
War is absolutly :sick:
Maybe I am just shitty player of HOMM 4 (i admit I dont played it for very long time) But I think the Life,Order and Nature are WAY overpowered
Originally posted by Chuck the plant@Mar 31 2005, 08:17 PM
In what way?
Hmmm... how about "one way teleporters all around your town and enemy heroes constantly popping out of them"? :whistle:
huh?
Chuck the plant
31-03-2005, 08:32 PM
That was the way nealy every campaign-mission went... you ride away from your town, an enemy hero pops out of nowhere and attacks. Because normally there were one-way-teleporters right by your town.
wormpaul
31-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by MdaG@Mar 31 2005, 08:11 PM
In what way is it unbalanced?
The "Castle" is way too strong in HOMM 3
That`s why i never choosed it :bleh:
Lizard
31-03-2005, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by wormpaul+Mar 31 2005, 09:59 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wormpaul @ Mar 31 2005, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-MdaG@Mar 31 2005, 08:11 PM
In what way is it unbalanced?
The "Castle" is way too strong in HOMM 3
That`s why i never choosed it :bleh: [/b][/quote]
Yeah me too.
I HATE angels.Play with Necropolis and Tower,mostly.
wormpaul
31-03-2005, 09:06 PM
Yeah, the tower was great (specially the old lady`s)
and when i played on the good side i chose most of the time the clan with the Unicorn and tree`s in it (sorry..doesnt know the name at the moment)
Dreadlord
31-03-2005, 10:07 PM
I find it's useful to horde archers upon archers.
They usually die off from the stronger monsters, but they can take down any melee units.
Tulac
31-03-2005, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by wormpaul@Mar 31 2005, 09:59 PM
The "Castle" is way too strong in HOMM 3
That`s why i never choosed it :bleh:
Do you have the expansions?
It is much more balanced in expansions IMO, archangels are quite more expensive, but I think Castle is overated anyway, the units are normal, nothing special, except crusaders and archangels which get expensive as hell(5000 gold + 2 gems)...
I haven't played HoMM IV, but what I've heard of from my friends, and a review(budget) of the game, it's what all you guys have said, a good standalone, but just not Heroes...
Though I remember it being announced as 'revolutionary' and the very fist reviews of the games were, that it is great, but I guess that's a little bribing...
NrmMyth
31-03-2005, 10:32 PM
I played Heroes 3 for about two years and then pasted to Heroes 4.
I admit that in the beginning it was kind of repulsive, but when I got used to it was perfect. :w00t:
So my chice would be HOMM 4. :ok:
irrelevantjet
01-04-2005, 04:20 AM
Originally posted by Dreadlord@Mar 31 2005, 10:07 PM
I find it's useful to horde archers upon archers.
They usually die off from the stronger monsters, but they can take down any melee units.
archers.... so many archers....
in HOMM3 all i used is ranged where possible, with the Golden Bow (i think... the one that allows you to shoot without penalty) i destroy all
i go for Tower because i love Ranged and Magic
Chain Lightening!!!
Mad-E-Fact
01-04-2005, 10:02 AM
In case you didn't know, part 5 of the series has just been announced.
http://www.mightandmagicgame.com/teaser/
Thought that might be of interest. ;)
irrelevantjet
01-04-2005, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by Mad-E-Fact@Apr 1 2005, 10:02 AM
In case you didn't know, part 5 of the series has just been announced.
http://www.mightandmagicgame.com/teaser/
Thought that might be of interest. ;)
i actually yelled "OH MY GOD" when i read that...
and i'm at work... :angel:
Mad-E-Fact
01-04-2005, 10:11 AM
Thou shalt praise God, your Lord, seven days a week. And on sundays twice. :ok:
irrelevantjet
01-04-2005, 10:22 AM
i see Ubisoft has taken the series up on board, this makes me see happy i feel like going home and having a hardcore HoMM3 session with my girlfriend
either that or just have sex.....
i'm happy either way :sneaky:
Originally posted by Mad-E-Fact@Apr 1 2005, 10:02 AM
In case you didn't know, part 5 of the series has just been announced.
http://www.mightandmagicgame.com/teaser/
Thought that might be of interest. ;)
It's april's fools day today...
Anyway back to HOMM 4. Judging by the comments there isn't really anything wrong with HOMM 4, it's just that it isn't HOMM 3 :max:
MOO 3 on the other hand sucked so bad compared to MOO 2 that I got huuuuuuge hickies just playing it.
MOO = Master of Orion
wormpaul
01-04-2005, 11:42 AM
Na het verdwijnen van 3DO werden de games van de ooit zo legendarische uitgever verkocht. Ubisoft wist de rechten op te pikken van de turn-based strategieserie Heroes of Might and Magic en acht het nu tijd om de seie nieuw leven in te blazen. De eer om het nieuwe Heroes of Might and Magic V te maken is het Russische te beurt gevallen. Die denken het spel ergens in 2006 klaar te hebben. Begin 2006 zelfs.
Verder is er eigenlijk weinig bekend over het spel. Je kent Nival van games als Blitzkrieg, Silent Storm en Etherlords. Ze beloevn van allerlei standaard vaagheden. Zo krijgt Heroes of Might and Magic V, heel verrassend, een "zeer onderhoudend verhaal", een "revolutionair tactisch gevechtssysteem" en een "moderne 3D uiterlijk". Klinkt goed, maar het zegt helaas nog niet veel. Er zijn echter al wel wat screenshots van het spel vrijgegeven en die zeggen gelukkig veel meer
NEWS ABOUT HOMM 5
Finally :cheers:
Tulac
01-04-2005, 06:44 PM
In English please, if it's some kind of joke, I'm not tricked :P
NrmMyth
01-04-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by wormpaul@Apr 1 2005, 11:42 AM
Na het verdwijnen van 3DO werden de games van de ooit zo legendarische uitgever verkocht. Ubisoft wist de rechten op te pikken van de turn-based strategieserie Heroes of Might and Magic en acht het nu tijd om de seie nieuw leven in te blazen. De eer om het nieuwe Heroes of Might and Magic V te maken is het Russische te beurt gevallen. Die denken het spel ergens in 2006 klaar te hebben. Begin 2006 zelfs.
Verder is er eigenlijk weinig bekend over het spel. Je kent Nival van games als Blitzkrieg, Silent Storm en Etherlords. Ze beloevn van allerlei standaard vaagheden. Zo krijgt Heroes of Might and Magic V, heel verrassend, een "zeer onderhoudend verhaal", een "revolutionair tactisch gevechtssysteem" en een "moderne 3D uiterlijk". Klinkt goed, maar het zegt helaas nog niet veel. Er zijn echter al wel wat screenshots van het spel vrijgegeven en die zeggen gelukkig veel meer
NEWS ABOUT HOMM 5
Finally :cheers:
Ja...
Si...
Da...
Yes...
Of course not! :eeeeeh:
Braindead
01-04-2005, 11:32 PM
the biggest difference between heroes 4 and previous installments is that you don't need heroes to travel groups of monsters + that heroes are not longer standing in the back to watch over the playfield but activily take up the sword, when your hero get's killed you have to raise him in a town...
those 2 above facts I don't like, and add to that that without the patches the game is unplayable because of memory leaks... 2 thumbs down really... :not_ok: :not_ok:
Maybe I played too much heroes and just got tired of it...
dwarfo
02-04-2005, 06:08 AM
Listen, this is the thing, This problem happens to all of a good seriers. HOMAM- is very good idea of system of the game, we can say first of homam kind, and this system was interesting to many people, but there was one thing that had gone with this great game and it was drawing (2D), non bad 3D graphinc drawing, FOR ME ITS THE SAME THING WITH MONKEY ISLAND 3 to MONKEY ISLAND 4. I thing that good 2D graphic drawing can`t compare with early 3D drawing, I don`t say that there shouldn`t be any but not in early developing 3D time in point-click adventures, and in HEROES we were used to nice 2D not some 3D graphic, do you agree? By the way there`s a nice comic of THE SECRET OF MONKEY ISLAND drawed by the same technique like the CURSE OF MONKEY ISLAND, it`s really nice, you should see him, but there`s only 46 pages, the autor is lazy, i think it`sw nice piece of work, here MI comic site (http://www.worldofmi.com/features/comics/vink) :cheers:
HOMM 4 isn't 3D. It doesn't even pretend to be 3D. The only difference is the "camera angle".
Lizard
02-04-2005, 04:56 PM
The -camera angle- that quite spoil HOMM fell to me....
They should let it as it was :angry:
NrmMyth
02-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Stop it, HOMM 4 are better! :sneaky:
Dreadlord
02-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Yah right, the main thing is that HOMM 3 is much more fun, 4 is just like the developers trying to do something new and failing.
Originally posted by Dreadlord@Apr 2 2005, 07:16 PM
Yah right, the main thing is that HOMM 3 is much more fun, 4 is just like the developers trying to do something new and failing.
I don't think there are that many new features.
I prefer Age of Wonders - Shadow Magic before HOMM, but HOMM 4 was ok. I had more fun with HOMM 3, but I think that's because the whole concept of HOMM felt fresh at the time.
Mad-E-Fact
02-04-2005, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by MdaG+Apr 1 2005, 01:08 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MdaG @ Apr 1 2005, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Mad-E-Fact@Apr 1 2005, 10:02 AM
In case you didn't know, part 5 of the series has just been announced.
http://www.mightandmagicgame.com/teaser/
Thought that might be of interest. ;)
It's april's fools day today...
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That wasn't a joke. ;)
As for HoMM3, I got the complete edition real cheap, so I thought I'd give it a try... Well, had I played it 10 years ago, I might have been impressed, but playing it now is just... boring. It plays like King's Bounty, just with more stuff all over the map...
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