Mortal Kombat 3 [GOG]

[Sub Zero]

Ither mortal kombat 3 or trilogy would be the best, i hope at least one of them are abandonware :cheers:

[Omuletzu]

Wow cool signature.Welcome to our forums.I doubt trilogy is abw :(

[troop18546]

Hi Sub Zero! Yes its abandonware. :ok:

P.S. For one moment I thought you were my brother... He likes Sub Zero too.

[Lizard]

We have sub-zero and fanatical fan of scorpion here...Prepare for showdown :ph34r: Btw I have Mk3.If it is abadonware I could upload it :whistle:

[troop18546]

Yes it is, I have almost all of MK, I dont have: MK mythologies - Sub Zero.
Could you find it please? My bro would apreciate that.

BTW: Sub Zero. Read my signature.

[Sub Zero]

yes please upload!, mk3 is good but all mortal kombat fans know that trilogy is the best!
oh and if you can find mk myohologies - sub zero that would be cool

[Lizard]

Originally posted by Sub Zero@Mar 4 2005, 11:42 PM
yes please upload!, mk3 is good but all mortal kombat fans know that trilogy is the best!
oh and if you can find mk myohologies - sub zero that would be cool
Well I ask then:Is Mk 3 an abadonware? :unsure:

[Sub Zero]

Hi Sub Zero! Yes its abandonware. ok.gif
well he said it is but which one?

[dr_st]

Originally posted by Sub Zero@Mar 4 2005, 10:42 PM
yes please upload!, mk3 is good but all mortal kombat fans know that trilogy is the best!
No, actually all Mortal Kombat funs know that MK2 is the best.

[troop18546]

MK2 is very good, but Trilogy offers players all of the fighters in the games history.

ALL MK games that are abandonware:
MK1.
MK2.
MK3 and MK3 Ultimate.
MK4.
MK Trilogy.
MK mythologies - Sub Zero.

MK rules. :ok:

[DeathDude]

Hmmm, interesting so MK4 isn't abandonware yet? Didn't know that, couldn't sworn it was...

[Sebatianos]

I couldn't care less for MK4. I have it and hate it. They really destroyed a great game. Sure they added new moves and even weapons (both is cool), but why, OH WHY(!!!) couldn't they have left the game in 2D???

[troop18546]

Whoops... YES MK4 IS abandonware. Edited. :whistle: :angel:

[DeathDude]

I don't think they destroyed the game with MK 4 in fact it made the game just a touch more innovative, it went back to it's roots with just having fatalities, no others, I felt it was a very well balanced game, sure it's 3-D but whatever plus I'm happy with that game that they finally brought back Johnny Cage, one of my favourite characters.

[Sub Zero]

well i do have to agree that mk2 is the best but what i ment by that is that trilogy is better than mk3 but anyway could someone upload this :whistle:

[troop18546]

Experimentizing with 3D was a very bad idea, thats why they built Trilogy in 2D again. Sure the characters were brought back but at what cost?! 10 players were cut out to make it possible... I found a site to download Trilogy, but I havent tried to dowload, cause it takes long (50mb.). :tomato:

[ReamusLQ]

Originally posted by troop18546@Mar 6 2005, 08:27 AM
Experimentizing with 3D was a very bad idea, thats why they built Trilogy in 2D again. Sure the characters were brought back but at what cost?! 10 players were cut out to make it possible... I found a site to download Trilogy, but I havent tried to dowload, cause it takes long (50mb.). :tomato:
what site? Can you PM it to me? thanks!

[Sub Zero]

yes!!!! can you please pm me the site to please :ok:

[JJXB]

as i own MK 1,2,3 and UMK3 on snes and MK4 on n64, i think that MK3 was best :)

[DeathDude]

Yeah can you pm that site to me as well, thanks in advance.

[troop18546]

Sorry to keep U waiting but I checked that it cant be downloaded because the:
"Page not found error 404" or smth. on it. Sorry... :(

I have MK 1, 2, 3, 4 for PC and Ultimate MK3 for SNES and for me UMK3 is best.

[DeathDude]

Ah well don't worry about it, thanks for trying though.

[SpiDoL]

In case you haven't heard of it, Mortal Kombat Trilogy combines the first three Mortal Kombat games into one. All the characters, even the bosses, are playable in normal, 2-on-2 kombat, and 8-player tournaments. This will be a nice game to try out, since Mortal Kombat Armageddon will basically be the new MK Trilogy.

I've got the full PC version on my computer with a patch that makes it compatible with Windows XP and some other nice enhancements. I will gladly upload it onto this site if someone will show me how, or I can send it to someone else so they can upload it. This is one great brawler you don't want to miss out on!

http://wiki.fz.se/images/4/42/Mortalkombattrilogy_1.jpg

[_r.u.s.s.]

midway is under protection of ESA

(that means that you are not allowed to upload it here=P)

[troop18546]

Lucky I have it already. To hell with E.S.A. LOL

[guesst]

^That's no very nice. I mean, I find legalities annoying too (especally when I'm strapped) but you won't ever find me bad mouthing the institutions that protect the legal rights of individuals.

I have it for PSone. And I have the originals on MAME.

[wormpaul]

Damm...very good game!!


Too bad we may not upload it :not_ok:

[troop18546]

Originally posted by guesst@May 23 2006, 12:57 AM
^That's no very nice. I mean, I find legalities annoying too (especally when I'm strapped) but you won't ever find me bad mouthing the institutions that protect the legal rights of individuals.

I have it for PSone. And I have the originals on MAME.
I was only reffering to the words "I have it so ESA can't do nothing about it" or smth.
P.S. Check out my sig for the best game to date. :ok:

[Dave]

What the hell are you saying guys???

Mortal Kombat (aka MK1) (1992) Midway Games Protected
Mortal Kombat II (aka MK2) (1994) Midway Games Protected
Mortal Kombat 3 (aka MK 3) (1995) Midway Games Protected
Mortal Kombat 4 (aka MK 4) (1998) Midway Games Sold


:hammer:

[bobson]

Is MK number 3 still protected?

(I didn't figured out yet the whole checking process)

[Paco]

Is MK number 3 still protected?

(I didn't figured out yet the whole checking process)

Mortal Kombat 3 (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/mortal-kombat-3)

Midway has 10-Years Protection, but Atari has 15-Years Protection so:

1995 + 15 = 2010 so its become Unprotected in Year 2011.

[Professor Oak]

Mortal Kombat 3 (http://www.mobygames.com/game/mortal-kombat-3)

[APPROVED]

[marko river]

ON SITE (http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/29060/Mortal+Kombat+3.html)

[Japo]

SOLD on GOG: http://www.gog.com/game/mortal_kombat_123

[marko river]

Meaning all three games are invalid now? Plus Trilogy?

[Japo]

I've removed the three installments. Regarding Trilogy, to be honest I've never been sure about the Abandonia rules for revised or compiled versions. I know we have them and in some cases they mean similar versions have different status, but I don't know them and they're not explicit in the request rules. Maybe ask Horseman, TA, Cluseck or Expack2

[Cluseck]

I've removed the three installments. Regarding Trilogy, to be honest I've never been sure about the Abandonia rules for revised or compiled versions.

I think all cases should be investigated individually, honestly. In case of Mortal Kombat Trilogy, I'd say it can remain on the site, since, from what I understand, it's not as much a collection of three games, as much as Mortal Kombat 3 with added characters from the two previous parts.

[oldskoolgamer]

http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/mortal-kombat-3/release-info

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Kombat_3#Release

There are two different versions of MK3 for the PC. The first was a DOS version, which does not closely resemble any of the other ports. This version contains a hidden redbook audio track (Track 47) with a narration of a story in reverse. The second version was a Windows version, which was a direct port of the PlayStation version of the game, featuring the same menus, sprite sizes and qualities, and gameplay.

Does anyone have this elusive Windows version of MK3? (This is not about UMK3 or MK Trilogy BTW.)

[Smiling Spectre]

I can get MK3 Win95.

But your request seems oddly familiar... Didn't you ask something like that year or two ago at some other forum? %)

[oldskoolgamer]

I can get MK3 Win95.

But your request seems oddly familiar... Didn't you ask something like that year or two ago at some other forum? %)
Umm, no, wasn't me. :)

Looking forward to a complete retail CD rip with CD audio if you can manage it. Thanks!

[Smiling Spectre]

Well, it have soundtracks, indeed.

Unfortunately, there is one serious problem... MK1-3 sold on GOG. I believe, it closes question for the Abandonia. :(

[patryckslasher]

Well, it have soundtracks, indeed.

Unfortunately, there is one serious problem... MK1-3 sold on GOG. I believe, it closes question for the Abandonia. :(

http://www.gog.com/game/mortal_kombat_123
Even though it's the DOS version, yes, it's being sold...:dislike:

[oldskoolgamer]

I know the DOS version of MK3 is now available from GoG, but wonder how that applies to the Windows version which has no relation to it and is not on sale anywhere? Perhaps a mod can clarify?

[Japo]

So many generations of mods passed by... like tears in the rain :o)
Barring finding Tom and asking him, I assume GOG could get mad at us if we provided illegally the Windows port of the game they got licensed, no matter how different it actually is on the back end.

[oldskoolgamer]

I assume GOG could get mad at us if we provided illegally the Windows port of the game they got licensed, no matter how different it actually is on the back end.
Pardon me, but what a big load of crap. GoG will get mad at Abandonia for providing the not sold, long abandoned, completely different gameplay-wise Windows version of a DOS game they now sell (MK3)?

But apparently they will not get mad at Abandonia for still providing floppy versions of MK 1 and 2 for download right besides their Buy It! links? How different are those from the versions GoG sells? I bet 99.9% of the people don't care about the CD soundtracks for these fighting games, and the actual floppy binaries are likely 100% the same as what GoG's selling.

They will not get mad at Abandonia for boldly inviting people right below the Buy It! links for MK 1 and 2 (and at the bottom of the MK 3 and Trilogy reviews) to download full CD images from the ISO Cellar?

What sort of blatant hypocrisy is this?

[Japo]

There's no hypocrisy and it's not half as bad as your rude tone.

We withdraw downloads one at a time when we realize or someone requests or reports them. I can take care to remove these downloads you mention, but today it's time for me to sleep.

[oldskoolgamer]

There's no hypocrisy and it's not half as bad as your rude tone.

We withdraw downloads one at a time when we realize or someone requests or reports them. I can take care to remove these downloads you mention, but today it's time for me to sleep.
Just to be clear, I was being brutally frank but despite my use of the word 'hypocrisy' it was not my intention to be rude. What I am is puzzled and that was what I was trying to convey, because there seems to be a large discrepancy in dealing with one thing versus another, and those download links (and ISO mentions) are right next to the buy links and I couldn't understand how they might have been possibly overlooked.

Let me also point out that GoG has no right to be mad at Abandonia, because even if they have temporarily obtained publishing rights for the games from Midway/NetherRealm Studios/Warner Bros. Entertainment, they are not the copyright holders (NRS/WB is). Speaking of copyright, has Midway/NRS/WB so far in all these years ever contacted Abandonia to take the MK games down? Obviously not. Not to mention the games are available all over the net and it would be futile to suddenly wake up and try to take every copy down, and they know this. Also the costs would be a lot more than what they will ever make selling these old games.

Forget these ancient versions, WB even cancelled the proposed HD remake because they knew it would hardly sell in large numbers considering all enthusiasts of the franchise have bought and played the games to death already on multiple platforms.

So finally what it boils down to is that you guys are voluntarily taking the old versions down despite the copyright holder not giving a damn. This makes absolutely no sense to me, because if one wants to be a stickler for the law then so-called 'abandonware' is still under copyright and the copies of non-free games on the site are all illegal and pirated. Anyway, the choice is entirely yours of course, but personally given everything else on this site I see no problem with also making the MK games available unless WB ever happens to send you guys a DMCA takedown notice. At the very least I see no reason why the Windows version of MK3 should not be allowed given that no-one is selling it or has sold it for years now.

[Smiling Spectre]

Just to be clear, I was being brutally frank but despite my use of the word 'hypocrisy' it was not my intention to be rude. What I am is puzzled and that was what I was trying to convey, because there seems to be a large discrepancy in dealing with one thing versus another, and those download links (and ISO mentions) are right next to the buy links and I couldn't understand how they might have been possibly overlooked.

As Japo already mentioned, site is in bad state, quite for a long time. So everything works by request. Not automatically. One man removes "download" link from main site, another kills correspondent link in forums, third will kill mentioned floppies in extras. If you think that for every _possible_ copyright notice we must thoroughly search all site for possible link - you are right. Theoretically speaking. Reality can be different - but not because we intentionally does it.
Let me also point out that GoG has no right to be mad at Abandonia, because even if they have temporarily obtained publishing rights for the games from Midway/NetherRealm Studios/Warner Bros.
In reality it's not all smiles and rainbows. GOG recently put on sale System Shock 1. And know what? Full System Shock node on Abandonia, with English review and all extras, was killed silently by Abovo, by GOG request, and I personally had to reconstruct it back. Do you want _this_ way of things? If we will not be careful, we will get it. Regardless of what _you_ thinks about copyright holders.
So finally what it boils down to is that you guys are voluntarily taking the old versions down despite the copyright holder not giving a damn.
Problem is, whole copyright system is blind colossus that can utterly destroy everything that got his attention, willingly or occasionally, regardless of actual crimes. And GOG _already proven_ itself to have attention about games that it sells. I was participating in one abandonware site, Underground Gamer. They was extra-careful, had closed registration and never published any game newer than ten years old. And it was torrent site, so, strictly speaking, they didn't publish anything at all!

And site was killed in a week after report of some suspicious game (if I am not mistake, it was Disney note, but I am not sure).

Do you want Abandonia to be killed this way? I am not. So let sleeping dogs lie.

[oldskoolgamer]

As Japo already mentioned, site is in bad state, quite for a long time. So everything works by request. Not automatically. One man removes "download" link from main site, another kills correspondent link in forums, third will kill mentioned floppies in extras. If you think that for every _possible_ copyright notice we must thoroughly search all site for possible link - you are right. Theoretically speaking. Reality can be different - but not because we intentionally does it.

Ok, since I'm not a regular visitor here I didn't know things were that bad. Still, one would expect that the person who kills one link would at least look at others on the same page, because otherwise for visitors like me it presents a real incongruous picture and leaves us confused. More importantly, does this sort of oversight not leave the site open to action?

In reality it's not all smiles and rainbows. GOG recently put on sale System Shock 1. And know what? Full System Shock node on Abandonia, with English review and all extras, was killed silently by Abovo, by GOG request, and I personally had to reconstruct it back. Do you want _this_ way of things?

Right, so first and foremost, was GoG making a simple polite request or demanding a takedown on legal grounds, i.e. with a DMCA notice? There is a difference, you know, again since GoG is not the copyright holder for the game. I can see you guys want to be extra careful, but the reaction of the mod as you yourself stated was ridiculously way over the top. Why would he delete everything associated with the game, including its review? Weird. Also, ever since GoG started selling MK have you heard a peep from them about the floppy and CD (ISO) version downloads which are clearly mentioned on the game pages?

If we will not be careful, we will get it. Regardless of what _you_ thinks about copyright holders.

Ok, once you guys have decided to remove the links after all (whether it's proactive or in response to a request from GoG), don't you yourself find it strange that despite the vital importance of being careful more attention is not being paid? Surely if the site's very existence depends on it then much more care is required? Maybe it's time to appoint some passionate dependable community members as new mods...

Problem is, whole copyright system is blind colossus that can utterly destroy everything that got his attention, willingly or occasionally, regardless of actual crimes. And GOG _already proven_ itself to have attention about games that it sells. I was participating in one abandonware site, Underground Gamer. They was extra-careful, had closed registration and never published any game newer than ten years old. And it was torrent site, so, strictly speaking, they didn't publish anything at all!

And site was killed in a week after report of some suspicious game (if I am not mistake, it was Disney note, but I am not sure).

Do you want Abandonia to be killed this way? I am not. So let sleeping dogs lie.
Obviously I have no intention of seeing Abandonia being killed off, far from it. That said, with a site of this nature you must admit it is permanently on slippery ground anyway. Just as happened with UG, the same can happen any day here no matter how careful you try to be, if some copyright holder whose IP this site is illegally distributing decides to wake up and target it. I have more to say on this subject but will refrain because how you guys run the site is ultimately your choice, and it seems like just a few of you loyal members are running the show if the site's in such a bad state as you mention.

Thanks for reading and good luck with the site!

[Smiling Spectre]

Ok, since I'm not a regular visitor here I didn't know things were that bad. Still, one would expect that the person who kills one link would at least look at others on the same page
Wrong. It's one thing to find game page in browsing and put it into "sold" state (one tick, actually), and totally another is to read review, found link mentioned in it, and found another links for forum and extras. You need to actively search for it, because it's not the common practice to have game links right in the review - I am personally translated about hundred of reviews, and never seen it before. :) It also requires the different access levels in the different places, actually. (Status can be modified with "translator" level, extras - by full mod, and forum requires forum mod access).
More importantly, does this sort of oversight not leave the site open to action?
Yes, it is. But as it was never a real problem before, we was slightly more relaxed than it was safe. And actually thank you to draw our attention to it. :)
Right, so first and foremost, was GoG making a simple polite request or demanding a takedown on legal grounds, i.e. with a DMCA notice?
You are having slightly wrong picture, as I see.

1. Site was sold to Studentis then Abovo long ago. They are owners, and they benefits from site. And it was _their_ decision to kill review. I have no idea, if it was request or takedown - Abovo answered to Japo about copyright notice only when he asked what happened.

2. All people who you sees here are community. We have no money for our job, no credits and no authority, except those indirectly granted by Abovo. On the opposite site is Abovo itself that does almost nothing for site, except hosting it. Errors in engine persists for years, and communications are clogged. So don't be surprised that mods here are not exactly devoted to the job. :)
Maybe it's time to appoint some passionate dependable community members as new mods...
Problem is, site is very messy in its code and its access levels. I personally had to spend about month to fix the whole tag structure of site after it was accidentally destroyed in two hours by the simple careless translator, without much access rights - and I was horrified, because in reality there was hundreds of obsolete and duplicating tags just because of routine translator work. Also, after some error (and no one knows which one) link connection was broken altogether, so now any modification in English tag system automatically destroys all tags in all translation. And no, while Abovo knows it for years, it wasn't fixed so far. So it's very dangerous, unfortunately, and while passionate mods could be good for site, we are not telepaths to easily found such mod, and any error here can be fatal. :/
That said, with a site of this nature you must admit it is permanently on slippery ground anyway. Just as happened with UG, the same can happen any day here no matter how careful you try to be
Yes, of course. But it's like miner work: if you have the chance to be blown up in the any hour of your work, it not means that you must be careless and ignore safety altogether. :)
Thanks for reading and good luck with the site!
And thank you for seemingly understanding the problems. :)

[oldskoolgamer]

Wow. Your reply indicates that this site is in far worse shape than is generally known (or at least was known to me). Whole structure seems to be just one big fragile mess, probably as a result of patchwork done hurriedly over time. Unfortunate that this is the situation but I suppose unless there is interest and investment (time, money, effort) by the site owner himself there's no way things can improve. Considering all this I guess you mods are doing the best job possible. In fact, it's a wonder you're still hanging around here despite everything! Guess you must really love the place. :)

[Japo]

The situation is quite shitty in many regards, but the website is still up as the biggest aw place, while many others have disappeared due to lack of money or interest... So it could still be worse.

Right now I have to take a look at the MK games and try to be consistent. The ones that are different enough to GOG sales can stay until someone asks otherwise. The ones that are more or less direct ports I will disable for the sake of caution.
EDIT: I've removed the ISO Cellar and floppy version extras from the games sold by GOG (MK 1-3). Everything else looks OK to me.

We remove content on due request of course, but we also have our own elaborate rules (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=12655) by default. These were devised over the years, and believe it or not at one point many years ago an actual official of the Nazi ESA contacted by one of the admins was OK with them.

One of the points where our rules are so far less than perfectly clear is when the status of one title may affect the status of another title which is some kind of version of port.

In any case one clear rule is that we remove on our own (without being asked) games as soon as we are aware that it's being sold by a legitimate re-seller.

if one wants to be a stickler for the law then so-called 'abandonware' is still under copyright and the copies of non-free games on the site are all illegal and pirated.
We have been always perfectly aware of this. Abandonware just means tolerated piracy, if anything.

Right, so first and foremost, was GoG making a simple polite request or demanding a takedown on legal grounds, i.e. with a DMCA notice? There is a difference, you know, again since GoG is not the copyright holder for the game.
The email was not from GOG but from the new copyright holder who has now licensed GOG. It was quite friendly in fact, not even a formal cease request or anything.

I can share many qualms about current copyright law, but we don't make the laws, we just get to obey them.

I can see you guys want to be extra careful, but the reaction of the mod as you yourself stated was ridiculously way over the top. Why would he delete everything associated with the game, including its review?
The Abovo employee nuked the database entry (leaving dangling foreign keys all over the place) instead of properly disabling the download, because Abovo doesn't really know or care how the website works (poorly in fact); we do that maintenance work for them, which is a hundred times harder than it should be because of the back-end structure, which they don't care to fix if it costs a cent, and they wouldn't be convinced to let us touch it either.

Anyway I've agreed with Abovo that next time I will also get these emails and will take care of them properly.

[arete]

Good on you, Japo :OK:

It's not really even a system. It's a giant epic fail full of bugs and interestingly borked subroutines, but if it didn't have a few dedicated staff members (not Abovo, because screw Abovo) this place would have died a long time ago.

[oldskoolgamer]

Right now I have to take a look at the MK games and try to be consistent. The ones that are different enough to GOG sales can stay until someone asks otherwise. The ones that are more or less direct ports I will disable for the sake of caution.

Ok, so don't mean to harp on it but finally, what's the verdict regarding the Windows version of MK3?

EDIT: I've removed the ISO Cellar and floppy version extras from the games sold by GOG (MK 1-3). Everything else looks OK to me.

Might as well remove these too while you're at it to avoid confusion:

http://i.imgur.com/Sv9v4x6.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZJJ9nnp.png

http://i.imgur.com/4UH1eAE.png
http://i.imgur.com/wuq0jM5.png

http://i.imgur.com/SB1og88.png

[Japo]

Ok, so don't mean to harp on it but finally, what's the verdict regarding the Windows version of MK3?
I'm afraid I must do the same as Mobygames and consider them ports of the same game, :-( even if the software is quite different.

[oldskoolgamer]

I'm afraid I must do the same as Mobygames and consider them ports of the same game, :-( even if the software is quite different.
:( Thanks anyway.

[Smiling Spectre]

Considering all this I guess you mods are doing the best job possible. In fact, it's a wonder you're still hanging around here despite everything! Guess you must really love the place. :)
Thank you for understanding. :)

[arete]

I'm just here for the peeps. I resigned as a mod a long time ago.

[marko river]

Just to be sure: MK trilogy and MK4 can stay in ISO Cellar?

Also, can I just remove these links from review pages as oldskoolgamer suggested by editing reviews or that will break translation nodes? I need to do that workaround with opening all translations and then change english version and save all transaltions again?

[Japo]

MK Trilogy and 4 can stay as long as the information on their request threads is current... We have whole review pages for them, not just the ISO Cellar links.

The tag bug still exists, as far as I know. Not that I've recently tested it, since it would mean purposely erasing tags. That workaround is the only one I know. But here Spectre is the expert.

[Smiling Spectre]

I accidentally tested it recently with System Shock. Yes, bug is still here: if you edit English version, all other languages losts all tags.

And yes, opening them for the edit, then edit English/save, then save translates will rescue tags, as usual. :)