Dominions 3 appeared on Greenlight!

[Smiling Spectre]

Best realm-based turn-based 4x fantasy strategy just appeared on Greenlight (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=123485567) at last!

I waited it too long and already started to worry! :)

It's unfortunate that they didn't make it right in Steam. But it will be here eventually, I hope! Please, vote for it! :)

[Eagle of Fire]

Someone discussed Dominion 3 with me not so long ago on this board.

You might not want to know what I think about it. :p

[Tomekk]

Someone discussed Dominion 3 with me not so long ago on this board.

You might not want to know what I think about it. :p

:o No one does?

Anyhow, game looks interesting, so I gave it a thumbs up. :)

[Smiling Spectre]

It was me, Tomekk. :D Those time it appeared on Desura. :D

Basically Eagle of Fire point of view that I could get was "I tried it, concept is solid, graphics is awful, battles are uncontrollable, and game overall is not in my taste", that's all. :D

Actually, game is awesome, have giant amount of everything (nations/units, spells, magic items, tactic options, magic sites... you name it!). It's fully turn-based, and battles are fully automatic. Excellence in everything, except outdated graphics. :)

[Eagle of Fire]

My point of view is pretty much tenfold that. Was it with you that I was discussing this game?

The bare minimum this game need is a working and especially up to date manual. And lot, lot, lot less factions to choose and get confused with.

[Smiling Spectre]

Yes, it was me, Eagle of Fire. And as you got as weak points exact places where this game is strong in my eyes, it's incompatible. :D So I can only say as before "yeah, I got that it's not your cup of tea". :D

[Eagle of Fire]

Well... You know what? How about we play a game together to see if one of us can prove his points? :mhh:

[Smiling Spectre]

For what sense? You said that you mastered this game, and I have no reason to doubt your words. You don't like it, and it's totally different issue.

I think, I am playing Dom3 pretty bad. Just as any other strategy game. Because I am playing for fun, discoveries and thought-provoking situation - not for straight win. Win for win looks too dull for me. So for 6 years of playing of Go on dragongosever I am still 19 kuy.

And? I am sure that playing with you will give me some fun, just as any game before. And there is quite a big chance that you will win. Let's imagine it's already happened. What it will prove? :)

[Eagle of Fire]

Well, if you do only play for fun of being slaughtered (or not) then it doesn't help much because you're bound to like about any single game out there. That there is flaws big like a continent inside is not going to prevent you from having fun. So you're right there is little sense doing so.

Nonetheless, if you are interested in having a big AB game then we could host a game on AB on the huge LOTR map. It should be fun even if only for the lulz factor. ;)

[Smiling Spectre]

Well, if you do only play for fun of being slaughtered (or not) then it doesn't help much because you're bound to like about any single game out there. That there is flaws big like a continent inside is not going to prevent you from having fun. So you're right there is little sense doing so.
Umm... Slightly incorrect. :D

If I am not all for victory, it not means that I can tolerate bugs and flaws. :D Rather opposite: I am rarely overlook it exactly because I am playing "non-standard" games, so when game is have high-polished battles, and nothing else, I bound to trigger every bug, as I am trying to play quite peaceful diplomat. :D And for some mysterious reason 90% of strategy creators make polish only for battles - Civ4 is bad in everything else, for example, Endless Space is horrible, and Warlock, being highly attractive for me in general, have totally broken diplomacy that make it absolutely unplayable. :(

But speaking about Dominions 3, it have as low bug count as I can dream of - moreover, even remaining little bugs still get fixes till now! Very, very unusual and exciting way of working, as for me. :D

Nonetheless, if you are interested in having a big AB game then we could host a game on AB on the huge LOTR map. It should be fun even if only for the lulz factor. ;)
Oh, if you really want to play D3, I am always in! :) As I said, I love this game, and it's only your obvious disliking stops me from recommending it. ;)

[Eagle of Fire]

I would not mind playing a game now that I know what I'm doing. I pretty much won my last game when both other players (who wanted to find people to play, they are those who introduced me to the game) dropped out after they realized that there was no way they could win against the build I had then.

That's the thing though... It might be rather easy to start a game, but having a lot of dropouts might dramatically change the way it is played out in the end. I would dare hope that having a lot of players might swing things around with alliances and whatnot if someone is really too powerful to bother with.

That's another big flaw if you ask me. Compounded by the first few flaws I already mentioned in the other thread.

[Smiling Spectre]

Well, for me it's always "there is must be only one", so shabby alliances is not a problem for me. :) Otherwise - well, we always can make at least 1v1 party with some guest AIs, no? :)

[Eagle of Fire]

If you think it might be fun, why not?

There is a lot of options to discuss before we can play though. Which era? Which version of the game are you using? Which map size? etc.

It also would be way more interesting with more human players. For the reasons I already stated.

[Smiling Spectre]

As I am "random player", it no matters for me what era we'll play. I am fine as with "big magic" old, as with "technological" third. :) So you choose it! :)

Version: last available, of course. 3.27, I suppose? Something around it.

Map size: I am all for ultra-mega-huge maps, as they gives me freedom I need. But it's strictly for single-player. For multi it will be utterly painful. :) So something mid-size will be fine.

For humans, well, you need people with game. Forum post will do, I think, so select preferrable settings and let's put the post into "Forum Games" section! :)

[Eagle of Fire]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "random player". This game is really the last game you'd want to jump into a random race you didn't tailor yourself.

[Smiling Spectre]

Oh, just as I said, I am equally bad in any race I tried so far, so if not getting deep in aquatic or necrotic races that have significantly different gameplay, I think, I will be fine with anything. ("Fine" like "able to play", not like "master it and defeat anyone". :)

[Eagle of Fire]

Just to make sure we're on the same page... Do you have any idea what a SC Pretender, a blessing strategy or a rainbow mage is?

Those are basic strategies you absolutely need to know before you dabble in MP Dominion 3... Otherwise, unless you thrive in being trounced and trying to overcome incredible odds while playing, you won't do much nor have much fun...

[Smiling Spectre]

*Sigh* Well, if you feel that it will be not much fun after all, let's abandon this idea at last.

No, I have no idea what is supercombatant pretender, overbuffed blessings or mage-of-all-trades (even if I tend to use last one now and again - it's only natural consequences of my playstyle, not purposed strategy). Just as I said several times already, I am not very good in winning strategies at all. If you feel that it will be butchering - forget it. Sorry for taking so much of your time.

[Eagle of Fire]

Don't feel that way. If I thought I was wasting my time I would not bother replying so much.

The thing is, you have to know those strategies to even be competitive in a MP game because even if you do not wish to use those strategies you still need to know what or how your opponent did to get there so you can start guessing or finding ways to counter it.

I'd be happy to help you improve on your "winning strategies" on Dom3 if you wish. I'm not really experienced but I do know enough of the basics to at least give you a good hope of doing something in MP. Otherwise it would be interesting to play against an human instead of a computer but you might simply not even have the means to be able to do something relevant.