yoga in System Shock 2

[yoga]

Hi, mates,

After loooong struggle with my both PC finally i run this gem.

Win 7 32-bit

I dunno screen resolution but this is not important for me using my 26 inches monitor in Landscape position.

and one detail: The game runs after i renamed the file
LGVID.AX to LGVID.AX.BAK

Kindly invited to participate.

Danke!

Wow, this game is very scary..:omg:

Mama mia , Caro Capo!!
:hihihi:

[Tomekk]

As a challenge, how about considering playing the game without outside help? ;)

[yoga]

OK.
I think you mean no any Q from my side.
The challenge accepted.
But i reserve the right to chat with anyone who know/play/like/hate this game. Of course in this conversation we may touch some moments of the gaming. It is normal. We, humans, are communicative community.
If someone search wrangle with me, or teasing me with stupid notes, s(he) is not at the right place. I do not like disputes at all. I am gamer, not wrangler.
More over i have simple but very effective weapon:
-Kill the stupid fellows with silence-.
OR
-Do not throw acorns the pi.s-
yoga and his philosophy are both peaceful.
Never in my 7 years period in AB site i insulted some of gamers here or there.

@Caro Capo, You played this game already?
KMonster?

[Capo]

Wow, this game is very scary..:omg:

Mama mia , Caro Capo!!
:hihihi:

After i've played Amnesia all the other horror games seems comical :smile2:


@Caro Capo, You played this game already?


Yep, very good game, but passes so much time that i cant help much :dislike:

[Japo]

and one detail: The game runs after i renamed the file
LGVID.AX to LGVID.AX.BAK
But are you seeing any video cutscenes, or hearing any speech during training?

[yoga]

But are you seeing any video cutscenes, or hearing any speech during training?

Moment, i am just battling with 2 mages in Warlock:...
:3:

[yoga]

Moment, i am just battling with 2 mages in Warlock:...
:3:

Dear senor Japo,
excuse my delay. I was busy to colonize more towns, to have more gold, to buy good spells and units , to beat the enemies. (Warlock..)

What's up with this game that i am unable to start it so many days???SS2.
Rats!!

Again problem:

I installed and run the game.
How I run?
Open My Computer, enter my BD-ROM (H) SYSTEMSHOCK2 (I use Daemon Tools Lite), in the panel of SS2 -version 2.3, i press Play.
I entered the game, press Load and run the game in the beginning when i am in some Training room, collecting some stuff. I make some steps and game frozes. No music, no sound..

Then i press Ctrl+Alt+Del and in Windows Task manager i see that...
SS2 Patch final 2.03 - Not Responding - ..

My PC is upgraded soon - Video Card 1 GB, RAM - 2 GB, faster CPU. Coff. 5.5. Win 7, 32- bits
__________________

[yoga]

After so many lost days trying to run SS2 i will stop this project for a while.
Sorry.
:picard:

[Tomekk]

3 steps to get a game running is too hard.:mhh:

[yoga]

3 steps to get a game running is too hard.:mhh:

No, i will not give up.
I will cont. my efforts to run the game.
But it will be not my main target.

yoga never give up.
I started Clouds of Xeen and Ultima 8 Pagan 7-8 times till passed.

By the way i feel little tired after 40 RPG right now.

Even brave needs little rest....

May i ask You very politely, Tomekk, how are your total passed games, if You do not mind? Mine are about 62 games.

[Tomekk]

No, i will not give up.
I will cont. my efforts to run the game.
But it will be not my main target.

yoga never give up.
I started Clouds of Xeen and Ultima 8 Pagan 7-8 times till passed.

By the way i feel little tired after 40 RPG right now.

Even brave needs little rest....

May i ask You very politely, Tomekk, how are your total passed games, if You do not mind? Mine are about 62 games.

I never kept count + I generally stop playing a game if it stops being fun or worthwhile. Sorry, can't give you an answer there.

[Japo]

BUMP :)

Yoga, I know you're currently busy elsewhere (http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=995), but I just wanted to let you know that after he wanted so much and tried so hard to make this game run but didn't succeed (the same happened to me), this problem is over thanks to the GOG.com release.

So whenever you finish your current adventure and you're looking for a new game you can go for System Shock 2, I really recommend it, as so many other people do! And this time if you get the GOG release you'll have no problems playing it on any computer.

I'd never actually played it before this, and it's now one of my favorite games. I wouldn't say it's perfect, specially as a shooter: a little like the first System Shock, but not so much, SS2 is quite an enjoyable shooter, only melee is stupid and frustrating, which is a shame because you're supposed to use it a lot or you can benefit from it. And during the first part of the game I didn't like how Dr. Polito was holding my hand all the time, even after I started suspecting the truth about her; but the ending is apotheosis, and the whole game hooked me and left me hugely satisfied, which is rare at my age...
:ouch:

We'll be waiting for the Brave to hack Shodan! :OK:

[Smiling Spectre]

Thank you for short review, Japo. I wasn't able to finish SS2 in time, and then my hardware stopped to support it... Maybe I will give it second chance. :)

[Tomekk]

As someone who has recently played through half of it, I'd be glad to help you chaps out if need be, :)

[Japo]

^_^ You should play it, its second half is better than the first.

What I meant with "a little like the first System Shock but not so much" is that I found SS1 amazing in many aspects, but most of its gameplay is as a shooter, and as such it's kind of terrible. (I think we already had this discussion.) :D SS2 is not the best shooter there is, specially in melee, which you're supposed to use quite a lot; but it's good enough. And overall it's an amazing game.

[Tomekk]

^_^ You should play it, its second half is better than the first.


With a fully kitted out shotgun, assault rifle and grenade launcher, easily. :p

[Scatty]

Wasn't there a pretty annoying spot a bit later in the game, where monsters respawned like insane right after you killed them? I played SS2 a few times and enjoyed it, but never got past that terrible point, you just get swarmed with the critters. Maybe I should try it again soon, it's been many years now.
Also, it's probably widely known, but the first Bioshock is inspired by System Shock (2 especially) even if toned down a bit. But still also a great game to recommend.

[Japo]

With a fully kitted out shotgun, assault rifle and grenade launcher, easily. :p
I meant the story's better :p

Wasn't there a pretty annoying spot a bit later in the game, where monsters respawned like insane right after you killed them? I played SS2 a few times and enjoyed it, but never got past that terrible point, you just get swarmed with the critters. Maybe I should try it again soon, it's been many years now.
In SS2 enemies respawn at many places on every level... like it or not. I must confess that at several times I lowered the difficultly level from normal to easy because I just wanted to play the RPG part and the shooter one was too demanding at times, and as I said, not the best one there is. Anyway ammunition sure is very scarce in the beginning and middle of the game, considering that it doesn't respawn like enemies do.

Also, it's probably widely known, but the first Bioshock is inspired by System Shock (2 especially) even if toned down a bit. But still also a great game to recommend.
Yes I've heard many times that Bioshock was the "spiritual successor" to SS2, and I have to try it someday. But I think it's even more of a shooter and less of an RPG? And strange as it may sound, I usually don't like magic in RPGs, and I like it even less when they include magic-like features in sci-fi RPGs, such as psi in SS2 (but that was only one of the alternatives you could choose or not), and I hear Bioshock has a similar thing with mutations or plasmoids or something?

[Smiling Spectre]

You are right about plasmids and shooters. :)

If you want less shooter and more RPG, I would recommend next game from SS2 creators: Deus Ex. Except several obviously magical but plausible "nano-boosters", it's quite sci-fi, and it's much like SS2 in more open environment by my feelings of it. :)

Another game with similar feelings for me is Thief... ah, wait, it's Ion Storm too! :D

[Scatty]

Another game with similar feelings for me is Thief... ah, wait, it's Ion Storm too! :D
Of course it is, System Shock 2 is based on the Thief Engine after all ;)

[Japo]

If you want less shooter and more RPG, I would recommend next game from SS2 creators: Deus Ex. Except several obviously magical but plausible "nano-boosters", it's quite sci-fi, and it's much like SS2 in more open environment by my feelings of it. :)
Ah yes that's also in my to-play list, I will promote it in the queue, ;) thanks for the suggestion.

I hear the sequel (Deus Ex 2) is quite worse?

And Thief is completely open-ended, or does it have any kind of main quest?

[Smiling Spectre]

Of course it is, System Shock 2 is based on the Thief Engine after all ;)
Oh, really?! I didn't knew that! Thank you for the info! :)

Ah yes that's also in my to-play list, I will promote it in the queue, ;) thanks for the suggestion.

I hear the sequel (Deus Ex 2) is quite worse?
It's quite good as it is, but comparing to DX2 it's much worse, yes. DX3 looks almost like modern remake of DX1 though.
And Thief is completely open-ended, or does it have any kind of main quest?
Just as Deus Ex, it's "plot-driven" missions: on each level you have main objective that you must fulfill to progress further.

But just as Deus Ex, inside of (quite big!) level you are mostly free to do what you want. :)

[Tomekk]

Think System Shock 2 was made by different people than Deus Ex.

@Japo: I still think that upgraded grenade launcher will prove to be more fun. ;)

[yoga]

I meant the story's better :p
In SS2 enemies respawn at many places on every level... like it or not. I must confess that at several times I lowered the difficultly level from normal to easy because I just wanted to play the RPG part and the shooter one was too demanding at times, and as I said, not the best one there is. Anyway ammunition sure is very scarce in the beginning and middle of the game, considering that it doesn't respawn like enemies do.

Yes I've heard many times that Bioshock was the "spiritual successor" to SS2, and I have to try it someday. But I think it's even more of a shooter and less of an RPG? And strange as it may sound, I usually don't like magic in RPGs, and I like it even less when they include magic-like features in sci-fi RPGs, such as psi in SS2 (but that was only one of the alternatives you could choose or not), and I hear Bioshock has a similar thing with mutations or plasmoids or something?

Of course, i will follow Your kind and always competent advices Dear Japo.
Yoga never forget any non started game(s).
Please, be assured that after Wizardry 7 pass i will try again my attempts to run SS2.
:3:
Never said Never.
:D

[Japo]

:2thumbs:

Just don't bother trying again with the original release, it's very hard to make it run right. I almost managed but without audio speech (which is a showstopper for this game) or cutscenes, even after fixing the codec and even though I could open the files from outside the game...

Get the GOG.com release--although you still may have to install a Microsoft redistributable:
http://www.gog.com/support/system_shock_2/windows_xp_this_application_has_failed_to_start_be cause_the_application_configuration_is_incorrect

[yoga]

:2thumbs:
Just don't bother trying again with the original release, it's very hard to make it run right. I almost managed but without audio speech (which is a showstopper for this game) or cutscenes, even after fixing the codec and even though I could open the files from outside the game...
Get the GOG.com release--although you still may have to install a Microsoft redistributable:
http://www.gog.com/support/system_shock_2/windows_xp_this_application_has_failed_to_start_be cause_the_application_configuration_is_incorrect

Bien:3:

[Tomekk]

Note to self: Don't play this game in a fully dark room for too long...

[Scatty]

Especially don't play it at late evenings / during the night in a fully dark room for too long :D
That's what gave me morbid feelings about the first Thief, during the first playthrough, many years ago - it really creeped me out after a while. Until I replayed it a year later. System Shock 2 even has fitting music to support the atmosphere.

[Tomekk]

Yeah, Thief also has it's own tense atmosphere, mostly because if you're caught, you're pretty much screwed.

[yoga]

Hey, mates, You both, serious 'bout darkness?
Or just kidding brave only??

[Smiling Spectre]

Think System Shock 2 was made by different people than Deus Ex.
Umm... yes, you are right. It's Thief->Deus Ex that done by the same people. In my defence I must say that first SS made by creators of Thief, and that SS2 taken engine from Thief too. :)

[Tomekk]

Well, Warren Spector worked on the first SS, Thief and Deus Ex...

I just maxed out Heavy Weapons to use the Fusion Cannon, but I have a feeling it's a crock of sh*t...

EDIT: Doesn't matter, just beat the game. xD

[Scatty]

Hey, mates, You both, serious 'bout darkness?
Or just kidding brave only??
Try playing System Shock 2 or Thief I / II late evening in a dark room, monitor only, for a couple of days, and you'll see why it can be scary at times ;) The mood created in those games is great, it's pretty catching.

[yoga]

Try playing System Shock 2 or Thief I / II late evening in a dark room, monitor only, for a couple of days, and you'll see why it can be scary at times ;) The mood created in those games is great, it's pretty catching.

..
Wow!
Hmmm.. i will take my nunchaku and AK47 then.
:whistling:

[Tomekk]

The thing with System Shock 2 is, if you know what you're doing, halfway through the game you're going to be kitted out with an assault rifle and grenade launcher that decimate any foe in a couple of hits... kinda loses the scare factor by becoming too easy. Not that it's the only game with such a problem, Deus Ex becomes ridiculously easy too.

[Scatty]

It's probably old news already, but for those who have the classic System Shock 2 on CD or aren't considering getting it from GOG (Steam version works with it, too), all you need to get it to run on modern machines and operating systems like Windows 7/8, is SS2Tool 5.1 (http://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=4141.0) (and installing the last official patch 2.3 (http://ss2.plasticcloud.com/) before that).

There came out an unofficial (and relatively mysterious) patch 2.4 (called NewDark) for System Shock 2 and Thief 2 in mid-fall 2012, which modified parts of the engine and enabled support for all modern resolutions (widescreen, 32bit colors, running on DirectX 9 instead of DirectX 6 as originally etc.), all new graphic cards, EAX sound for any sound card through the open-platform API OpenAL, and ability to run like a charm on current hardware.
The GOG release of SS2 seems also to at least partially rely on, or include, this unofficial patch, and SS2Tool also includes the latest updated version (with few "new" bugs fixed) of it. SS2Tool is essentially the better installation program for SS2, even with a Blood patch and language text corrections for German versions.

[yoga]

Try playing System Shock 2 or Thief I / II late evening in a dark room, monitor only, for a couple of days, and you'll see why it can be scary at times ;) The mood created in those games is great, it's pretty catching.

Well, well..
Anyway i do not know what is the good gameble version of this famous game SS2 i try to start 2 years in vein..:smile2:

and best operation system?
I can use Windows Me, XP Pro, Windows Ultimate, Pro 7.
No Vista and 8.
My Win rating is 6 from 7.9
My videocards are nice..

[Tomekk]

If you use the GoG version it doesn't matter. If not, worked just fine for me in XP and Windows 7 (with the exception of the cutscenes).

[Japo]

As I recommended before, you should get the GOG.com version (http://www.gog.com/gamecard/system_shock_2); with any other you'll probably hit the wall again just like so many people before.

You don't need a big computer for this game, almost any will do, the graphics aren't very advanced. The requirements are: "Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8, 1.8 GHz Processor, 2 GB RAM, 3D graphics card compatible with DirectX 9.0c, 2GB HDD."

[yoga]

As I recommended before, you should get the GOG.com version (http://www.gog.com/gamecard/system_shock_2); with any other you'll probably hit the wall again just like so many people before.

You don't need a big computer for this game, almost any will do, the graphics aren't very advanced. The requirements are: "Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8, 1.8 GHz Processor, 2 GB RAM, 3D graphics card compatible with DirectX 9.0c, 2GB HDD."


Gracias!!

un loco solitario
:hihihi:

[Capo]

Im pretty sure he has pirated it :perv:

[yoga]

Im pretty sure he has pirated it :perv:

Who is he? Me?:max:

[Scatty]

and best operation system?
I can use Windows Me, XP Pro, Windows Ultimate, Pro 7.
No Vista and 8.
My Win rating is 6 from 7.9
My videocards are nice..
It's probably old news already, but for those who have the classic System Shock 2 on CD or aren't considering getting it from GOG (Steam version works with it, too), all you need to get it to run on modern machines and operating systems like Windows 7/8, is SS2Tool 5.1 (http://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=4141.0) (and installing the last official patch 2.3 (http://ss2.plasticcloud.com/) before that).

There came out an unofficial (and relatively mysterious) patch 2.4 (called NewDark) for System Shock 2 and Thief 2 in mid-fall 2012, which modified parts of the engine and enabled support for all modern resolutions (widescreen, 32bit colors, running on DirectX 9 instead of DirectX 6 as originally etc.), all new graphic cards, EAX sound for any sound card through the open-platform API OpenAL, and ability to run like a charm on current hardware.
The GOG release of SS2 seems also to at least partially rely on, or include, this unofficial patch, and SS2Tool also includes the latest updated version (with few "new" bugs fixed) of it. SS2Tool is essentially the better installation program for SS2, even with a Blood patch and language text corrections for German versions.
There. With the new unofficial patch supposedly you can play any version of System Shock 2 on XP, Vista and newer. GoG version uses the same unofficial patch anyway.

[yoga]

There. With the new unofficial patch supposedly you can play any version of System Shock 2 on XP, Vista and newer. GoG version uses the same unofficial patch anyway.

Bravo! Nice!

Maybe this famous LEGEND map will wait till i start SS2.
I may use 2 XP Pro:
1 - normal
2 - virtual

I need some rest of RPG as You noted, Master.
One is tired to drink every day ambrosia.
Some good Russian vodka will help anyway.
Stolichnaya for example.
True, Master?
:bleh1:

[Scatty]

Some good Russian vodka will help anyway.
Stolichnaya for example.
True, Master?
:bleh1:
Not exactly my cup of tea :)

[yoga]

Not exactly my cup of tea :)

Ha ha ha,

following Yr directions i started SS2, but played 20 secs only, saved and stopped.
Many to learn...

now the main problem is this fu-ked LEGEND map...

PS: I like Merlott vine.
:3:

[yoga]

Initial preparation.
Maybe some good soul will tell poor yoga where to find link bout SS2?
Screen shots, videos = Ctrl+ (Alt) + F5 ?
Some good maps? Not as Daggerfall or W 7.

Thanks a lot for Yr time and Help.

brave the beginner
:smile2:

[Tomekk]

Initial preparation:
Get the game.
Install it.
Play the tutorial.
Maybe read this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/185706-system-shock-2/faqs/14415
:p

[Japo]

The game starts with a training/tutorial, so you don't need any preparation really.

But during the game you have to make some development decisions, such as which weapon skill to upgrade, when to upgrade attributes, psychich powers (equivalent to magic), etc. Of course you can complete the game with any choice, even if there are some choices better than others. Anyway if you want to know some of this stuff more in advance than the game intended, this link for example can help you (see the menu at the top left):

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/pc/sysshock2/weapons.shtml

By the way that's good website, in case you didn't know it. It has all the information on hundreds of RPGs for PC and consoles.

This game has maps of its own during play--although they're too small at high resolutions.

You can't take screenshots with Ctrl+F5 because this game isn't for DOS--it won't work in DOSBox.

[Tomekk]

Here's a tip: don't take exotic weapon skills. They suck.

[Capo]

Initial preparation.
Maybe some good soul will tell poor yoga where to find link bout SS2?
Screen shots, videos = Ctrl+ (Alt) + F5 ?
Some good maps? Not as Daggerfall or W 7.

Thanks a lot for Yr time and Help.

brave the beginner
:smile2:

yoga yoga, you really need maps even for ss2 ? Have you ever finished a game without a walkthrough ? :sneaky:

[yoga]

Here's a tip: don't take exotic weapon skills. They suck.


Vă mulțumesc Dl.Tomekk

Muchas gracias, Sr. Japo

I warmly welcome Your prompt and positive help.

To be fair i feel strange to play game which more than year was my dream.
And all here is so different from known atmosphere of Wiz 6 and 7 that i stopped to take deep breath before my start.
You know this feeling.
Of course every beginning is not easy.
New images, new style, all is very new for humble brave.
Maybe our good friend Caro Capo is correct telling me - yoga this is RPG- but..but i politely will note that such game i play for first time.
Anyway i have 76 passed games in my listing. Maybe..maybe it is like Doom 3.
From nice images of green glades with butterflies i fall among dark enviroment without my laser sword and Livesteal spell.
No complain at all, just i try to express my feelings...

All game in darkness? No sunny days?
Mama mia...

But well respected Dosraider told this game is pearl and i believe his opinion.
And dear Kmonster advises me to stop for a while W 7 and change my gaming.
He is wise man, this son of Germany.
My respect!

OK. Hope time is on my side.

PS:
I am lazy hooligan, Caro Capo and You know this fact.
My Q for maps is routine. If SS2 has maps no problem.
I beat Daggerfall with its terrible maps.
I beat Betrayal at Krondor and Menzoberanzan and Words of Xeen.
And i soon will reach Your number of passed games, believe me.
brave never give up....

[Scatty]

yoga this is RPG
System Shock 2 ist NOT a RPG. It has some RPG elements, but it's more of a 3D shooter with puzzle and hide-and-crouch elements. And scary elements, of course.

Anyway, don't try to base your opinions of this game on those of other people. See if you like it yourself. I know many people praise but for example, I didn't find it fantastic. Yes it was fun and interesting enough to explore the story to the end, but it's nowhere as good as the first System Shock, imo. And many elements in the vanilla game are a bit underdeveloped, unless you use some mod (of which there are some around, too).
So, in other words, play it and see if you like it. If you don't, that perfectly ok. You don't have to finish it if you don't like it, just because other people find it great.

[Tomekk]

It is an action-RPG, in the same vein as Deus Ex... not like most modern shooters, which just add fancy numbers and weapon upgrades into the mix. Skills determine what you can or cannot do, and being a better shot than most won't make your guns break any less faster.

Also, yoga, stop taking the piss and play it. :p

[yoga]

Master, i started the game.
I strictly followed Yr instructions and start was piece of...
Pls do not expect fast progress.

My humble opinion is this is dark game. In physical meaning.
I respect other's opinions but i built mine soon after beginning.
I think SS2 is not RPG at all.

I have H4 Laser pistol.:D

[Capo]

I think SS2 is not RPG at all.



:lame:

[Japo]

This argument whether a game is a RPG or not happened before, and believe me it gets nowhere.

C'mon Yoga status report! :D

Do you know at least the story of System Shock (1)? You'll enjoy SS2 better if you do.

[yoga]

This argument whether a game is a RPG or not happened before, and believe me it gets nowhere.

C'mon Yoga status report! :D

Do you know at least the story of System Shock (1)? You'll enjoy SS2 better if you do.

:whistling:
No, i do not know the story of SS.
Should i?

Details:
I reached the station Cryo Recovery B.
Then i directed to North, opening the door.
Wow, first attack launched - brave was attacked by 2 homo-like opps.
I had a solid wrench and killed both opps but was hardly wounded.

May i very politely ask You, good mates, 2 Q-s only:

1. May i play the game not in Full Screen mode?
2. How to restore my HP?

Excuse me, i am very, very novice.

TY, Grazie, ¡gracias, Spacibo und Danke Sehr!

[Tomekk]

HP? I wonder what those mysterious medical syringes and med-kits are for... also, those tables which can be used also look potentially useful... :mhh:

[Scatty]

No, i do not know the story of SS.
Should i?
You didn't play the first System Shock? OMG OMG :p

Seriously, I would recommend the first game very much. It would also help you with the interface and item useage in SS2 if you have played the first one, since they're both have a relatively similar interface and items. And of course, the story continues from first to the second.
It's not mandatory, though, just suprising since you're the first gamer I met who played Ultima Underworld 1+2 but doesn't know SS1.

[yoga]

Ladna.
Then....hmmm..i has to start SS1.
BTW, many of sagas i played with first the second game namely:
Daggerfall before Arena, Dune 2 before Dune 1, Alone in the Dark 2 etc.
But...but...what about LEGEND MAP?
Chaos..
:)))

[Tomekk]

You don't really need to play the first one, I managed just fine without it.

[yoga]

You don't really need to play the first one, I managed just fine without it.

Hmmm...maybe....yes...i met my first opps and killed all of them except attack of 4 opps one after one.
My pistol was loaded with 10 bullets and killing every opp with 3 bullets i had only 1 left for the last one.
Really i had solid wrench but have no time to change weapon or run away.
Anyway i have no experience as in W 6 + 7.

Wow, the sound effects are scary and all atmosphere also....

[Tomekk]

It's a survival game, DON'T waste your ammo. Your wrench doesn't need any skills and it's a perfect tool to dispense of hybrids and co. Use bullets to take down cameras.

[Japo]

I said that the story and the game (which relies a lot on its story) would be much more interesting if you had been involved in the story of the first one, not that having played the latter is necessary for any reason. The story connection between SS1 and 2 is far stronger than with any of those other other examples. The interfaces, I don't think they're similar in both games, at all.

[yoga]

It's a survival game, DON'T waste your ammo. Your wrench doesn't need any skills and it's a perfect tool to dispense of hybrids and co. Use bullets to take down cameras.

How to keep bullets?
I have 2 pistols - one ready with 12 bullets and second with 6 bullets.
They attacked me by pair one after one; last time i killed 3 pairs but 4-th killed me because of empty pistol.
i tried another way... to be kill .. some hidden machine gun killed me.
mama mia..

hard time for brave

[Tomekk]

How to keep bullets?

By using the wrench, as I just told you.

http://geek-news.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/geek/2012/11/picard-facepalm2.jpg

[yoga]

[QUOTE=Tomekk;453765]By using the wrench, as I just told you.

OK

[Tomekk]

If you want, I'll write you a detailed gameplay guide that should answer all of your questions related to wtf-am-i-supposed-to-do? But you'll have to promise that you'll try to play by yourself from then on, and not ask questions after 5 steps you take in-game. :p

[yoga]

Whats Your meaning of word ""STEP""?

[Tomekk]

So, what progress have you made?

[yoga]

So, what progress have you made?

I used button 1 and changed the pistol with the wrench.
They(n) i entered Medical room.
Stepped on some place i activated alarm and time started to count.
Immediately the waves of pairs of opps appeared and attacked me.
I killed 8 opps till was killed by 9-th.

Progress: In the beginning i was able to kill 1-2 opps.
My health meter - far left down is 55 points.
Every hit of opps reduces my points with 5.
Two hits are enough to kill one opponent - zombi.
I have no idea how many were these opps - 10, 12 or 20?

[Tomekk]

Security cameras give off a distinctive beeping if they see you... shoot them before they confirm the alarm, and you'll have far less hybrids to fight off.

And yes, there are pretty much an infinite amount of enemies, and since it's a survival horror game, you need to ration your ammo/health/etc. accordingly. :p

[yoga]

Security cameras give off a distinctive beeping if they see you... shoot them before they confirm the alarm, and you'll have far less hybrids to fight off.

And yes, there are pretty much an infinite amount of enemies, and since it's a survival horror game, you need to ration your ammo/health/etc. accordingly. :p

Merci.
To avoid critics i use too much WT i try to understand all mechanisms alone.
But it is hard labor and cost me time and attempts from type:
Try-fail, try-success

Moreover i want to progress with SS also.

[Tomekk]

I found all of these pretty obvious... don't see how SS1 is going to help you if you can't figure out things like "security cameras are bad and should be taken out" on your own. :suspicious:

[Japo]

I didn't say that you must play SS1, although I recommend both games very much. But surely if you are going to play both, I'd strongly recommend to play first SS1 then SS2. You know these games have a story, right? :p It's arguably the coolest part.

[Scatty]

What Japo said.

Letting security cameras see you (in SS2) is a bad idea. Remaining silent and undetected often brings more & better result than blunt approaching and shooting everything on sight. Both games, SS1 and 2 are all about using the head rather than raw force.

[yoga]

What Japo said.

Letting security cameras see you (in SS2) is a bad idea. Remaining silent and undetected often brings more & better result than blunt approaching and shooting everything on sight. Both games, SS1 and 2 are all about using the head rather than raw force.

I am in the beginning of both games.
I think SS2 has more battle scenes.
Trying to eliminate security cameras.
Yes, one has to use head to survive in this giant battleship.
I advance veryyyyyyyyyyyyy slowly.
I do not know what to do with that chemicals elements in the store? Mix? Use?Restoration? Preparation of what..?
And..
What the hell is my benefit to eliminate security camera, then run down, find 6 bullets and when return back to be shoot from behind by turret?
My mouse pointer shows the direction of turret bullets (to West).
I do not use any WT.
moment to tell You location:
No, screen shot is better.

[Tomekk]

Chemicals are for researching. The research tells you what chemical it needs, you don't have to carry them all around with you. (as the helpful lady told you...)

[yoga]

With every step SS2 grabs my attention.
Sorry, dear Japo, maybe first will be SS2.
Many games were played this way:
Doom2, Dune2, Wiz7, Daggerfall and more

[Tomekk]

What paths did you take when creating your char and what skills do you have now tho? Cause I really hope you're not investing into Psi.

[Japo]

With every step SS2 grabs my attention.
Sorry, dear Japo, maybe first will be SS2.
Many games were played this way:
Doom2, Dune2, Wiz7, Daggerfall and more
You never read or listen to anything in any game, so it won't matter XD

By the way now that I think about it, in these games (maybe more so in SS1) you would absolutely need to read/listen to the logs to progress in the game. You can ask here what to do at every step, but it will take you forever, if you do get answers for everything...

[Smiling Spectre]

Main problem in SS1 was to get security code. You know, the last one, that is re-generates each second with computer cores? Only part where I needed walkthru. And feel stupid about myself afterwards: I had at least 2 records about that! :(

[Scatty]

Both System Shock games are also one of those where it pays off to read through the manuals, to know what to do in the game and how.
Of course, one would have to actually buy the game(s) for that :whistling: Or find a place to download the PDF manual. Or just go through the slow and painful learning curve and asking for advise. But then, asking others and waiting for help isn't much different from reading a manual...

[Japo]

I wouldn't say reading the manual is necessary in any way... SS2 has a long detailed tutorial. SS1 starts with tutorial callouts on every element of the interface and a couple of event explanations, which is more than most games at that time. You can start playing right away and you know how to do everything. I never read any of both manuals. And I think I tend to read more manuals than most gamers, at least for strategy games and simulators.

But yeah, playing through such story-driven games without paying attention... To each his own, I guess. Myself, I actually think both games wouldn't be that great if you took the great story out of them (and for me, SS2 owes a lot of the merit of its story to its connection to SS1). As shooters/rpg they're far from perfect. SS1 is very technically advanced for its time, and ambitious, but for that reason the controls/interface are overcomplicated bordering on unplayable. Equally, the cyberspace is an extremely cool idea, but I had to set its difficulty to easy (leaving the rest at normal) to avoid becoming frustrated. SS2 could be much, much better as a shooter, specially at the time it was made.

[yoga]

I wouldn't say reading the manual is necessary in any way... SS2 has a long detailed tutorial. SS1 starts with tutorial callouts on every element of the interface and a couple of event explanations, which is more than most games at that time. You can start playing right away and you know how to do everything. I never read any of both manuals. And I think I tend to read more manuals than most gamers, at least for strategy games and simulators.

But yeah, playing through such story-driven games without paying attention... To each his own, I guess. Myself, I actually think both games wouldn't be that great if you took the great story out of them (and for me, SS2 owes a lot of the merit of its story to its connection to SS1). As shooters/rpg they're far from perfect. SS1 is very technically advanced for its time, and ambitious, but for that reason the controls/interface are overcomplicated bordering on unplayable. Equally, the cyberspace is an extremely cool idea, but I had to set its difficulty to easy (leaving the rest at normal) to avoid becoming frustrated. SS2 could be much, much better as a shooter, specially at the time it was made.

:smile2:
First of all i need advise for some tech problem:
- I play SS2 in full screen.
- I use hybrid 26" Neo monitor, which switches between PC and TV modes by remote device. Resolution 1280x768. Change possible.
- The problem is that i loose 6-8 mm above from my SS2 screen and i am unable to read messages above. Am i clear?
So i take some stuff and then use sign ? to know what is this.
This problem borns another one: My screen ( No SS2 screen) has tendency to move 20 mm left and 10 mm North which confused me. The second one problem disappeared when close SS2.

..
Deck 1. Engineering
Reset Main Power to Engine core to restart elevators.

I will answer all Yr Q but what do You think bout the following:
-There are some stuff - MFD Game player and Swinekeeper?
What is this? Joke or real element of the SS2?
Once again- I do not read WT.
This fact will explain some mistakes in the my gaming.

@Tomekk
If my memory serves me well:
Hmmm...when i meet again Psi center will use my Cyber modules.

First - in right corridor.
Second - in middle one.
Third - in left one - UNN

@Japo
I will agree with You the SS controls/interface are overcomplicated.

O, i read logs and notes. Otherwise i will duno what to do.

@Master
the slow and painful learning curve and asking for advise
No, i will do everything to minimize any Q further..

Pls note i do not ask You:
Where, the hell is this Silver key, or where can buy good machine gun or AK-47.
My routine Q is well known:
Who or what is the final boss and is some stuff which is fatal to meet the boss?
Many times You, Master, do not answer me but this is not tragedy for brave Ilia Murometz aka yoga..
:smile2:

OFF
PS: This is my 78-th game.
Yesterday i saw that i still keep the Doom 3 disk so...
But CIV 5 waits me,
then Wiz 8 and then
Lands of Lore 2
Quake 2
Star craft 2
The witcher
My target for this year is to reach at least 100 games. But i wanna play nice games only
but Russians said:
- По вкус и по цвет, товарищи нет:3:

I wish You good luck in Yr gaming.

[Scatty]

First of all i need advise for some tech problem:
- I play SS2 in full screen.
- I use hybrid 26" Neo monitor, which switches between PC and TV modes by remote device. Resolution 1280x768. Change possible.
- The problem is that i loose 6-8 mm above from my SS2 screen and i am unable to read messages above. Am i clear?
So i take some stuff and then use sign ? to know what is this.
This problem borns another one: My screen ( No SS2 screen) has tendency to move 20 mm left and 10 mm North which confused me. The second one problem disappeared when close SS2.
1280x768 is a 16:9 aspect ratio. Maybe a problem for the monitor. Try 1280x800 (16:10) and see if that helps. If not, try 1280x1024 (4:3) if your monitor supports it.
-There are some stuff - MFD Game player and Swinekeeper?
What is this? Joke or real element of the SS2?
Once again- I do not read WT.
That's an old wink from System Shock 1. Hard to explain, kind of an in-game joke from the programmers, about gaming. But lots of fun (and frustration) to play. There're also some more game modules to find later.
Many times You, Master, do not answer me
Well, can't take all the fun away from trying out for yourself, can I? :p

[Tomekk]

I'm just going to link this again in the vain hope that you'll actually bother reading it http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/185706-system-shock-2/faqs/14415

[yoga]

1280x768 is a 16:9 aspect ratio. Maybe a problem for the monitor. Try 1280x800 (16:10) and see if that helps. If not, try 1280x1024 (4:3) if your monitor supports it.

That's an old wink from System Shock 1. Hard to explain, kind of an in-game joke from the programmers, about gaming. But lots of fun (and frustration) to play. There're also some more game modules to find later.

Well, can't take all the fun away from trying out for yourself, can I? :p

Yes, YOU can.
:3:

I tried the resolution modes from Video of SS2

640x480x32
720x480x32
720x576x32
800x600x32
1024x768x32
1152x480x32

1280x720x32 /16:9
1880x768x32 /15:9

1280x960x32
1280x1024x32

1360x1024x32 /16:9

No result. But this is no fatal.
I find the bold mode is the best for me.

No complain, no Q:
I have problem when run through the radiation zones.
But i will search the solution.

[Scatty]

You can either carry Anti-Radiation Hypos (many of them) around with you to inject to lessen, while in radiation zones, and remove radiation damage when out of them, though they are rather scarce and you'll run out of them soon.
Or you find a BioHazard Sut which absorbs 75% of radiation so you'd either need only 1-2 hypos after getting out of radiation or a high enough Endurance + suit to avoid damage altogether. You'll find your first hazard suit on the Engineering Deck, which is your next step anyway.

[Smiling Spectre]

I will answer all Yr Q but what do You think bout the following:
-There are some stuff - MFD Game player and Swinekeeper?
What is this? Joke or real element of the SS2?

They are quite real. Player can play games. It even have one Ultima-like roguelike game! :)

- По вкус и по цвет, товарищи нет:3:
"На вкус", yoga. :) "По"="along", "на" - "on/upon" when applied directly, "for" - in that case. :) Also "товарища" - singular. :bleh1:

[yoga]

You can either carry Anti-Radiation Hypos (many of them) around with you to inject to lessen, while in radiation zones, and remove radiation damage when out of them, though they are rather scarce and you'll run out of them soon.
Or you find a BioHazard Sut which absorbs 75% of radiation so you'd either need only 1-2 hypos after getting out of radiation or a high enough Endurance + suit to avoid damage altogether. You'll find your first hazard suit on the Engineering Deck, which is your next step anyway.


Ox, ox, poor me.
SS2 stops start at all.
Press the game shortcut at screen,wait 2-3 sec, then SS2 menu appeared, i press on Load game, point some save game, press again Load and...

Error message

SS2 stops to work
Windows can check online solution
-> Check online solution and end the program
-> Cancel the program

Detailed problems:
Name of problem event: APPCRASH
Application name: shock2.exe
:picard:

[Scatty]

It crashes every time you try?

[yoga]

It crashes every time you try?

Yes.
I tried 10 times.

To be fair because of some other tech problems i used Restore point which if i am not wrong return my PC in status before initial start of this game.

Maybe Uninstall and Install again will help me?
Of course i keep Save files.

[yoga]

They are quite real. Player can play games. It even have one Ultima-like roguelike game! :)

OFF
Some nuances of Russian language, mates.:3:

"На вкус", yoga. :) "По"="along", "на" - "on/upon" when applied directly, "for" - in that case. :) Also "товарища" - singular. :bleh1:

Ny, ny harasho.
Я не такой знаток как Вы, уважаемый, и не буду, потому-что я скромный болгарь.
Лучше эсли переводите мой " русский" текст. Правда?
Не все понимает РЯ.
(I'm not an expert like you, dear, and I will not, because I am humble Bulgarian.
Better if you translate my 'Russian' text. Really?
Not everyone understands Russian lang.)
For example: Kmonster, Capo, Japo, Paco, Master ;) etc.

Anyway some lang dispute is not so bad. We are not able to speak everytime about - What is your HP or charisma? Where is the door key?
Is Hit and Run good battle tactic?
:D

[Scatty]

To be fair because of some other tech problems i used Restore point which if i am not wrong return my PC in status before initial start of this game.

Maybe Uninstall and Install again will help me?
Of course i keep Save files.
That's probably the root of the problem. Just backup the savegame somewhere and uninstall + install the game again. I hope that will solve it.

[yoga]

That's probably the root of the problem. Just backup the savegame somewhere and uninstall + install the game again. I hope that will solve it.

Yes.
I backup the savegames already.
After the bitter and coordinated attack from Capo and Tomekk i decide to stop discussion in SS.
So i will start SS2 and CIV5 until the storm on me fade away.

But one more word:
If every one is forced to close his mouth, better to close all AB site.
Please this is my personal opinion and i do not like dispute and i do not like to offend anyone.
If someone feel offended then my deep excuses.

[Capo]

You can play how you want and you can ask how many suggestion you want yoga, just stay humble and dont insult people with much more experience in gaming than you.

[yoga]

That's probably the root of the problem. Just backup the savegame somewhere and uninstall + install the game again. I hope that will solve it.

Yes, the reason was this Restore point.

But.. i am pleased to announce i have restored the game. Sadly no usage of saved file. This is not problem for me because i develop my experience and view the things again under new angle.

OFF
This Restore point damaged CiV 5 also.
Cant believe, because Windows always said: No one of your files is deleted???!!!
I think 2 games are enough to play at once.
As real yoga i will follow my Yoga philosophy to be humble, loyal and polite.

[dosraider]

Cant believe, because Windows always said: No one of your files is deleted???!!!
Registry entries.

[yoga]

Registry entries.

Richtig? Danke herzlich.
Respect!
You, dear Dosraider, is the best PC specialist between these 500 000 AB members.
:OK:

[yoga]

Wow, they spoke about ship Von Braun!
:smile2:
MHO is that SS2 is cont. modernized version of SS1.
Would be very nice if SS3 appears some day.

[Scatty]

MHO is that SS2 is cont. modernized version of SS1.
System Shock 2 is a direct sequel to SS1 after all, story-wise. You'll see when you progress further into both games. Hence why it's a good idea to play through System Shock 1 first, and the second part afterwards.
Wouldn't bet on SS3, though.

[yoga]

Wouldn't bet on SS3, though.[/quote]

You sure?
:(

Wow, now i am like Dart Vader with my new laser rapier.. No radiation at all.
My Task: Reset Stanboard...

[Scatty]

Well, Looking Glass Studios doesn't exist anymore, since many years. No idea who (if) is holding copy rights to System Shock by now. So yes, I'm pretty sure.
That Laser Sabre is especially good against robotic enemies and turrets (if you can manage to hit them without them shredding you to pieces). Still not bad against those zombies with wrench and pretty much any other enemies who engage into melee combat, if you're careful enough. In any case it's a better weapon than the Wrench, but you need to invest points into Energy Weapons for it to become effective.

[yoga]

Now i have to prepare some medicine Toxin-A

[yoga]

Now i have to prepare some medicine Toxin-A



:smile2:
I reach Desk 5 Recreational

Discussion ONLY!
I found some strange damaged Stasis field generator.
I repaired it but have no small idea how to use it.
It shows 0 ammunitions, i duno howto and with what to charge this device.
I duno its usage!!
:hihihi:

[Tomekk]

It's a Heavy weapon, and it's a piece of crap. Just stick with Heavy 3 for the Grenade Launcher upgrade and Standard 6 for the Assault Rifle. :p

[yoga]

It's a Heavy weapon, and it's a piece of crap. Just stick with Heavy 3 for the Grenade Launcher upgrade and Standard 6 for the Assault Rifle. :p

Vă mulțumesc foarte mult, Domnule!
:smugulon:
(Thank you very much, sir.)

[yoga]

Hurray!

Just reach Command level.

I have already 9 weapons but Number 9 for new weapon is still not active?

:whistling:

Nice game! One second inattention and ... you dead..
Save, save and save again as Wizardry 6...

[yoga]

I did something wrong, maybe, because i am unable to enter some of four pod launching areas.
Probably i miss some card?
This is not ask for help.
Just share my problem.

Yes, level Command.
:D

[Tomekk]

You can't escape with any of the pods and they're shielded off. You need to go down some large narrow hallway beneath those to stop the last two pods being launched by the Many, IIRC.

I see you're making good progress. Are you using any walkthrough or did your natural intuition finally decided to show up? ;)

[yoga]

You can't escape with any of the pods and they're shielded off. You need to go down some large narrow hallway beneath those to stop the last two pods being launched by the Many, IIRC.

I see you're making good progress. Are you using any walkthrough or did your natural intuition finally decided to show up? ;)

TY,
Yes, i am new man.
For example the level Recreation was played 3-4 times till i found the correct way.
The bad news is that even passed, the places again are full of regenerated opps.
My worst enemies are some nasty beetles who are very strong and moreover attack me with virus after every attack.
Now i have all 10 weapons without solid wrench.
But again the eternal problem with empty slots...

NO help asking:
I duno how to use my new option - teleportation!?

OFF
Dear Tomekk,
is it true In Romania You do not allow ex-communists to hold state positions?
If true, this is great. Bravo...

[yoga]

Now i really need help, please.
Yes, playing one more week i will find the answer. But i am hurrying now because i want to reach AB member who has 200 passed game.
Me? 80 only.
I have to play day and night to reach this man. But i will.
......................................
After one day up/down i give up.
Problem:
I have to destroy shuttles. OK.
But first i have to reach them.
I see on the game map where are Cargo bays and Shuttles bay.
But after Tram i am always again big elevator and 2 more small elevators.
So
i can NOT find the way to the shuttles!!!
Rats!!!
Again and again and again i am searching all the places, no door to shuttles.
Where, the hell, can be????????????
:palm:
I need an word only..No 2 pages.
But i will not cry if no one help poor brave.

[Scatty]

The door to the shuttles is at the first stop of the tram, where you arrive to from previous level, if I remember correctly. It opens only after you've done the current mission objectives in that level. I also spent some time figuring out how to get it open, but now that you ask I also don't really remember what it was... :unsure: Only that the door on the middle stop has to open, I think. You need to do something on the third (furthest) tram stop from the start.

By the way, don't try to jump on the tram tracks from the roof of the tram. I did one time just out of curiosity... :D

[Tomekk]

OFF
Dear Tomekk,
is it true In Romania You do not allow ex-communists to hold state positions?
If true, this is great. Bravo...

I doubt it, but then again I don't give a rat's arse about our politics.

Also, playing without a wrench is a bad idea... you don't need 10 weapons, especially any Heavy, Exotic or Energy Weapon beyond the Grenade Launcher, cause frankly, they all suck.

[yoga]

I doubt it, but then again I don't give a rat's arse about our politics.

Also, playing without a wrench is a bad idea... you don't need 10 weapons, especially any Heavy, Exotic or Energy Weapon beyond the Grenade Launcher, cause frankly, they all suck.


Thanks a lot for the help, mates!

Have a good time.

PS:
Good friend sends me the magazine L'Europeo
Stop playing to read it...

You are right about 10 weapons, really.
I will eliminate energy weapon.

Master,
i found the door.
It is at the firstTram station, imm. left from Tram.

[Tomekk]

You do realize you have a map?

[yoga]

You do realize you have a map?


Еxcuse me, Tomekk, You think i am idiot?

With all my respect to You, Your behaviour is not polite at all.

I do not like Your malicious remarks.

Once more sentence like this one will breake any conversation with You.

Simply You will speak, but no answer. You will be totally ignored.
Sorry, i was patient very long time.
Basta!

[Tomekk]

Suit yourself :p