Icewind Dale and yoga&Co.

[yoga]

Hello, mates,:3:

According to the AB rules I open new thread.

Pls, do not hesitate to ask me all about IWD.
:hihihi:

But first I will ask You:
-I am in Vale of Shadows. This is East of Kuldahar town. I have to find the reason of dis-balance and strange events in the town. I visited all the crypts, carefully searching - nothing. In one of crypts I was unable to open 2 doors - one North, second- East. I do have 2 keys and my Paco may open the chests.
Where is my fail?
:hello:

same poor yoga the brave

[twillight]

But first I will ask You:
-I am in Vale of Shadows. This is East of Kuldahar town. I have to find the reason of dis-balance and strange events in the town. I visited all the crypts, carefully searching - nothing. In one of crypts I was unable to open 2 doors - one North, second- East. I do have 2 keys and my Paco may open the chests.
Where is my fail?
:hello:

same poor yoga the brave

You need a third key to get access to a holy symbol, what will work also as a key there.

[Wicky]

Hah, that same door holds you too :lol:
It's easily overlooked but there is a 4th cave, somewhere in the middle left. When you walk by it, there is the key inside. I walked by it half a dozen times without seeing the entrance.

Status report:
Two areas after Valley of Shadows I'm lurking around in dragons temple, first level cleared. All 3 fighters have made some decent exp in their dual-class and will regain their fighter-skills with two more levels to go.
It just gets always harder so my party needs "heal" spell urgently.

[yoga]

Hah, that same door holds you too :lol:
It's easily overlooked but there is a 4th cave, somewhere in the middle left. When you walk by it, there is the key inside. I walked by it half a dozen times without seeing the entrance.

Status report:
Two areas after Valley of Shadows I'm lurking around in dragons temple, first level cleared. All 3 fighters have made some decent exp in their dual-class and will regain their fighter-skills with two more levels to go.
It just gets always harder so my party needs "heal" spell urgently.

:whistling:
Hey,
why, the hell, all around me, know all about RPG, just yoga the idiot non stop asking for these games?

From now i will named yoga the question mark or simply
??
I suspect that you are not human beings but some kind of writing machines that make me very upset.


??
:hihihi:

[twillight]

I suspect that you are not human beings but some kind of writing machines that make me very upset.

Welcome in the world of the IterationX, yoga.

[Wicky]

This is almost a little paradox, Yoga. Is it by any chance the "King's dilemma" ?

The King asks a question. If you answer correctly, then this makes him angry for beeing smarter than him. If you don't answer correctly however, then he will say that you're incompetent. No matter what you answer, you end up with the executor in both ways.

[yoga]

:3:

[yoga]

The victorious army of the brave just landed 2-nd level of the Wolf temple.

I play version 1.3.062915

:3:

[yoga]

My first problem with IWD.

Location: Just killed Plasio and entered 4-th level of Dragon's eye.
Money: about 10 K.
Commandos:
1. Wicky-Fighter, -2,69,69, Lvl 7 - No problem
2. Scatty-Fighter/Druid, -2,42,42, Lvl 6-F
7- Druid- No problem
3. Capo-Fighter/Cleric,-2,58,58, Lvl 6-F
7- Cleric- No problem
4. Paco-Fighter/Thief,-1,52,52, Lvl 8-Thief
Fighter-Stopped at 2lvl
No problem
5. Hunvagy-Fighter/Mage,-1,42,42, Lvl 7- Mage
Fighter-Stopped at 2lvl
Problems:
-No active spells(They are blurred-8 spells and 4 lvl of spells)
-No active Use Item
-No active Special Abilities

6. Tomekk -Bard, -2,45,45, Lvl8

Problems:
-No active spells(They are blurred-3 spells and 2 lvl of spells)
-No active Use Item
-No active Special Abilities

With simple words -
I am unable to use the spells of above members NN5 and 6.

Howto solve this problem?

[Wicky]

unequip the armor

[yoga]

unequip the armor

Thanks! Worked.

I thought about same action but according to BG 2 I was waiting to receive note that Armor will prevent my magical activities.
Now all is OK.

BTW what to do with these red books?

[Capo]

Helpful Yoga, when you find a big strong armor equip it to Capo please.

From way too hot italy
Capo

[yoga]

Helpful Yoga, when you find a big strong armor equip it to Capo please.

From way too hot italy
Capo

:smile2:
Non,non, impossibile!

Your hero Capo character is the best character with the best armor and equipment and weaponry.
My favorite.
Pls see attached picture.

Grazie, amigo.

Oh, In BG yesterday temperatures reached 37 Degrees after Celsius.
But yoga stayed under working conditioner and plays and plays.
:D

[Wicky]

Yoga, to make everyone a thief/mage at level 2 etc. etc.. according to Capo's advice is a nonsense. Your party will just end in sadness and defeat sooner or later.

I'd recommend loading up a savegame before you have changed my tactic of dual-classing at level 9. Trust me, this previous party can handle ANY problem.
* the Druid can cast "detect traps"
* the Cleric can cast champions strength plus draw upon holy power in combo, so at 25 strength he can easily break every safe open...
* ...and if that one doesnt get it open, then the bard's "knock" spell will !

Won't you rather give up these teletubbies you made out of my brave men? It's up to you, but I only tell you that I would have taken a dwarf as a plain fighter, and an elf as thief.
Remember, you'll have to live with your choice for a very, very long time.

[twillight]

* the Druid can cast "detect traps"
* the Cleric can cast champions strength plus draw upon holy power in combo, so at 25 strength he can easily break every safe open...
* ...and if that one doesnt get it open, then the bard's "knock" spell will !


I must warn yoga that what you "suggest" would ultimately slow the party, and would require very serious meta-knowledge, therefor only suggested to hardcore & experienced players, not for poor yoga.

[kmonster]

No need to reload a previous save, the party is powerful enough to handle everything in the game (maybe even too powerful to keep the game challenging enough for Yoga the great strategian :king:).

[Wicky]

Well, would you agree some of the disadvantages of his new party are:

The fighter(2)/thief can't fight good with just 1 attack, high tac0 and has no more spells to improve his armor.

All the essential cleric spells are burdened upon the only fighter/cleric. He is now totally alone to have access to prayer, recitation, wrath etc. and gains them at half the normal rate.

The plain fighter can't cast any self-buffs. With everybody else giving away their melee capacity, its up to him to do the melee.

Please consider, those two halfelves (f/c and f/druid) who were the weakest characters in my party are now his strongest. And even though Yoga plays on normal difficulty where the exp aren't boosted unlike HoF, he might level up so slowly that it could become very, very tough to beat the game.

[yoga]

Well, would you agree some of the disadvantages of his new party are:

The fighter(2)/thief can't fight good with just 1 attack, high tac0 and has no more spells to improve his armor.

All the essential cleric spells are burdened upon the only fighter/cleric. He is now totally alone to have access to prayer, recitation, wrath etc. and gains them at half the normal rate.

The plain fighter can't cast any self-buffs. With everybody else giving away their melee capacity, its up to him to do the melee.

Please consider, those two halfelves (f/c and f/druid) who were the weakest characters in my party are now his strongest. And even though Yoga plays on normal difficulty where the exp aren't boosted unlike HoF, he might level up so slowly that it could become very, very tough to beat the game.

:smile2:
Dear all,
pls wait a moment.
I will show all my spells memorized and known.

--Why not now, brave?
Ah, I am invited to a big party, Y'now.

:D

The life of heroes is party after party.
The grateful citizens respect his liberator.

Ciao

[kmonster]

An Icewind dale standard party is fighter, fighter, cleric, thief, mage, bard with maybe 1 stat per character higher than 15 and Yoga's party is definitively more powerful.
Fighter2/mage is more powerful than pure mage, fighter2/thief is more powerful than thief, the multiclasses are also powerful, so are the character stats.

A better than average party led by the even better player Yoga the Wise will definitely be sufficient to beat the game, there's definitely no need to enforce an even more powerful but less fun to play party.

[yoga]

An Icewind dale standard party is fighter, fighter, cleric, thief, mage, bard with maybe 1 stat per character higher than 15 and Yoga's party is definitively more powerful.
Fighter2/mage is more powerful than pure mage, fighter2/thief is more powerful than thief, the multiclasses are also powerful, so are the character stats.

A better than average party led by the even better player Yoga the Wise will definitely be sufficient to beat the game, there's definitely no need to enforce an even more powerful but less fun to play party.

:smile2:
YOU very kind, Kmonster.
Danke sehr.

:partytime:
Well, the party is over, yoga's head is a little ...Y'know.. ha ha ha but promise is promise


Here I will show all spells of my party


Wicky – Fighter , -2, 69,69 – No spells


Scatty – Fighter/Druid, - 2,42,42, Levels 6/7, Resist Fire/cold

Level 1 – Memo 5 spells
Shillelagh 2, Cure light wounds 2, Entagle
Known + Bless, Detect evil, Protection from evil, Remove fear, Curse
Level 2 – Memo 5 spells
Flame blade 3, Barkskin, Cure moderate wounds
Known + Good berry, Charm person, Find traps, Know alignment
Level 3 – Memo 3 spells
Call lighting 2, Invisibility purge
Known + Hold animal, Protection from evil
Level 4– Memo spell
Animal summonings 1
Known + Cure serious wounds, Protection from lighting, Giant insect,Produce fire, Static charge
Quick items: Chant, Remove fear, Prayer
Special abilities: Shapeshifts Polar bear, Winter wolf, Boring beetle


Capo – Fighter/Cleric, - 2,58,58, Levels 6/6

Level 1 – Memo 5 spells
Command 4, Curse
Known + Bless, Cure light wounds, Detect evil, Magic stone,Protection from evil,Remove fear, Sanctuary
Level 2 – Memo 5 spells
Draw upon holy might 5
Known + Aid, Chant, Find traps, Hold person, Know Alignment, Resist fire/cold Silence 15' radius,
Slow poison, Spiritual hammer, Cure moderate wounds
Level 3 – Memo 3 spells
Animate dead 3,
Known + Dispel magic, Glyph of warding, Protection from fire, Remove curse, Remove paralyze,
Invisibility purge, Miscast magic, Rigid thinking, Strength of one, Prayer, Cure disease


Hunvagy – Fighter/Mage, - 3,42,42, Level Mage 7, Fighter stopped

Level 1 – Memo 4 spells
Burning hands 2, Magic missile, Chill touch
Known + Identify, Grease, Protection from evil, Intravision, Lardoch's minor drain, Color spray
Level 2 – Memo 3 spells
Stinking cloud, Gnoul touch, Knock
Known + Strength, Invisibility, Detect evil
Level 3 – Memo 2 spells
Monster summoning I, Haste
Known + Protection from normal missiles, Skull trap, Vampiric touch


Tomekk – Bard, 2,45,45, Level 8, Blessed

Level 1 – Memo 3 spells
Identify 3
Level 2 – Memo 3 spells
Horror, Protection from petrification, Blur
Known + Same
Level 3 – Memo spell
Monster summoning I
Known + Haste, Flame arrow
Level 4 – 1 known spell
Confusion
Quick items
Wand of armory
Wand of sleepPaco - Fighter / Thief -1,52,52, Level 8

[Wicky]

An Icewind dale standard party is fighter, fighter, cleric, thief, mage, bard with maybe 1 stat per character higher than 15.

Where have you read that? 30x rolling stats on a human fighter showed, that none was below 78 points. That equals two stats at maximum (!) 18 and all others at 10 even for a below average character. That means you lied, kmonster. Begone!

[kmonster]

Where have you read that? 30x rolling stats on a human fighter showed, that none was below 78 points. That equals two stats at maximum (!) 18 and all others at 10 even for a below average character. That means you lied, kmonster. Begone!

No, I didn't lie.
You think everyone plays the game like you, maxes stats to 18. Take a look at the NPCs in Baldur's Gate, none of them has 18 in 2 stats, Jaheira or Minsc have only 1 stat above 15, the pregenerated IWD characters don't have many stats maxed either.
You are not a standard player, the game wasn't balanced for players spending days creating characters with 18 in 5 stats. More players just take the first roll to create their characters without lowering/raising attributes and are skilled enough to finish the game with them without dualclassing. Are you really such a weak player that you think the game isn't beatable with rather "normal" characters ? Yoga the Brave will show you how a party you wouldn't dare to continue playing will be victorious at the end !
In terms of party creation Yoga is far closer to the "standard" player than you, remember Yoga's BG1 and BG2 protagonists who vaporized Sarevok and Irenicus with lightning speed or the stats of the first IWD party you can read in the BG2 thread, not many 18s were used.

[Capo]

:smile2:
Non,non, impossibile!

Your hero Capo character is the best character with the best armor and equipment and weaponry.
My favorite.
Pls see attached picture.

Grazie, amigo.

Oh, In BG yesterday temperatures reached 37 Degrees after Celsius.
But yoga stayed under working conditioner and plays and plays.
:D

Looking good :vader:

[twillight]

No, I didn't lie.
You think everyone plays the game like you, maxes stats to 18. Take a look at the NPCs in Baldur's Gate, none of them has 18 in 2 stats, Jaheira or Minsc have only 1 stat above 15, the pregenerated IWD characters don't have many stats maxed either.
You are not a standard player, the game wasn't balanced for players spending days creating characters with 18 in 5 stats. More players just take the first roll to create their characters without lowering/raising attributes and are skilled enough to finish the game with them without dualclassing. Are you really such a weak player that you think the game isn't beatable with rather "normal" characters ? Yoga the Brave will show you how a party you wouldn't dare to continue playing will be victorious at the end !
In terms of party creation Yoga is far closer to the "standard" player than you, remember Yoga's BG1 and BG2 protagonists who vaporized Sarevok and Irenicus with lightning speed or the stats of the first IWD party you can read in the BG2 thread, not many 18s were used.

First: most people do bother to reroll at least a dozen times, and rearrange stats.
Second: the BG-series offers an adventage to the player: it balances the difficulty adjusted to the player's level - not a feature IWD has.
Third: yoga a lot of times only barely strougled through BG.
Fourth: the pre-generated characters (what comes with the game officially) are actually cheated (they have much better stats then you'd have by rolling the characters yourself).

[hunvagy]

First: most people do bother to reroll at least a dozen times, and rearrange stats.
Second: the BG-series offers an adventage to the player: it balances the difficulty adjusted to the player's level - not a feature IWD has.
Third: yoga a lot of times only barely strougled through BG.
Fourth: the pre-generated characters (what comes with the game officially) are actually cheated (they have much better stats then you'd have by rolling the characters yourself).

Right, bashing time then. First, not everybody is a powergaming munchkin. Second, kmonster is right, the standard AD&D party is fighter,cleric,mage,thief. Since IWD offers 6 slots, I'd say two mages and a second fighter class (ranger, paladin). Third, last to my knowledge, IWD balances too, enemies have less hp and don't use all spells on lower levels. Fourth: they are not cheated. It's called DMs option. The NPCs in a campaign aren't rolled, they are created to provide a challenge. Just because your chargen doesn't allow for those stats statistically, calling it cheating is pretty detrimental. Fifth, there is a reason why single class is preferred in AD&D. You have to be one of the nonhuman races to multiclass, and if you check xp and progression tables, all nonhumans have caps on certain classes. Not a quote, but if I recall correctly, the elven thief goes only to level 8 or 9. Which means even IF Icewind Dale would go to the epics, your elven mage/thief would be royally screwed, because it can only take 8 thief levels. And in a campaign that has traps for lvl30-40 thieves, she wouldn't be able to disable jackshit. Not to mention the little fact, that your all powerful fighter/thief you send to the front lines has to wear leather armor, or take off that full plate every time it spots a trap to disable it.

[yoga]

Peace, bros, peace!
:smile2:
Do not stand on the war track, please.

Remember that we are here not to demonstrate who is smarter but to enjoy friendly chatting and discussion.

If someone will feel better if he think that yoga is idiot No any problem to confess I am such person.
ha ha

Very polite note if You do not mind.

I realized that much of You have some scientific interest to RPG gaming.
You are ready to discus days and nights that somebody is not correct choosing 18 or 1 stats because ...
Very nice.
:smile2:
Y'now the brave is not good in some discussions.
I created some formation after yr kind advices, grab sword or AK-47 (Caro Capo, I know that western game creators do not used this good weapon in their games. Strange, Master?) and start to liberate the world from the next bad Frank..

OFF
Hunvagy, may I very kindly greet You with one nice song:
The raggle taggle gypsy by the Chieftains ?
I think You can find it in Youtube.
Sry, AB has not musical option..

No off
Miracle, miracle!!
I am forced to do some very extraordinary work to 14 o'clock today BG time.
But I protested that even I am the brave this work is practically impossible for such short time period and they agreed to allow me to work to tomorrow morning.
--yoga, what is BG time?
GMT + 2 hours, mate.
Note: As I mentioned in some post here BG is not Baldur's gate but Bulgaria - small, sunny and lovely country of the brave.

@twillight
Dear Mage, what do You mean by "poor yoga"? The world POOR has many nuances. Good and not so good.:max:
TY

hard working yoga in the next 10 hours

[twillight]

Right, bashing time then. First, not everybody is a powergaming munchkin. Second, kmonster is right, the standard AD&D party is fighter,cleric,mage,thief. Since IWD offers 6 slots, I'd say two mages and a second fighter class (ranger, paladin). Third, last to my knowledge, IWD balances too, enemies have less hp and don't use all spells on lower levels. Fourth: they are not cheated. It's called DMs option. The NPCs in a campaign aren't rolled, they are created to provide a challenge. Just because your chargen doesn't allow for those stats statistically, calling it cheating is pretty detrimental. Fifth, there is a reason why single class is preferred in AD&D. You have to be one of the nonhuman races to multiclass, and if you check xp and progression tables, all nonhumans have caps on certain classes. Not a quote, but if I recall correctly, the elven thief goes only to level 8 or 9. Which means even IF Icewind Dale would go to the epics, your elven mage/thief would be royally screwed, because it can only take 8 thief levels. And in a campaign that has traps for lvl30-40 thieves, she wouldn't be able to disable jackshit. Not to mention the little fact, that your all powerful fighter/thief you send to the front lines has to wear leather armor, or take off that full plate every time it spots a trap to disable it.

1) There are not enough scrolls for two mages in IWD.
2) It is not "powrgaming" to use minimal common sense.
3) The characters in question are not "statistically impossible". +100 thief skills compared to the maximum avaiable points (same level, same race etc.) for example is definitly "cheating".
4) What the *bleep* was that after "Fifth ..."?

[hunvagy]

1) There are not enough scrolls for two mages in IWD.
2) It is not "powrgaming" to use minimal common sense.
3) The characters in question are not "statistically impossible". +100 thief skills compared to the maximum avaiable points (same level, same race etc.) for example is definitly "cheating".
4) What the *bleep* was that after "Fifth ..."?

1) Right, so who's metagaming then?
2) Min maxing is not minimal common sense. Please refer to that statistics crap up a few posts about 18 on two and 10 on everything else if you have a hard time understanding.
3) As said, DM option. Given that the devs had to be prepared for item hoarding soloing, metagaming munchkins, like a certain mage/thief min maxed and knowing all the enemies by heart. And no, will not get into an argument in this, your whole playthrough reports shows that. And for me, playing a game designed for a party of 6 alone is not a challenge or an achievment, since you can't do it without knowing the location of every loot and enemy. "I don't do the quests, because I don't need xp anymore, and the items it gives is shit" Yeah, no powergaming my arse.
4) This:


For those of you who never played an earlier version of D&D, a "demihuman" is an old (and nonexistant in 3E D&D) term for "dwarf, elf, half-elf, gnome, halfling, or half-orc," and demihuman level limits were limitations placed on the character level advancement of these demihumans. Dwarves were limited to about level 9 as fighters, elves were limited to level 11 as wizards, and so on (although every class has unlimited advancement as thieves, oddly enough, and yes, the rogue class was called the thief class in earlier editions).

So, if you were playing an elf wizard, and the rest of your friends were playing humans, the theory was that when your group got to 11th level, your character would stop gaining levels, but your human friends wouldn't. Even though elves were supposed to be naturally good at magic. Even though elves live ten times long as a human. But hit that 11th level barrier and you were stuck.

Enough people thought that this was crazy, and introduced rules where demihumans could advance a certain number of levels past their level limit if they were single classed and they had a very high ability score of the appropriate type. Which basically meant that if you were an elf wizard with a high Int (and if you were a single-classed wizard, why wouldn't you have a high Int back then, especially when the scores between 9 and 14 had very little difference in terms of game effects?) the level limits were irrelevant. Similarly for the high-Strength dwarf fighter, and so on.

The theory behind level limits was this (and it dates back to 1st edition AD&D): Demihumans get a lot of good stuff at 1st level that human doesn't get (bonus languages, infravision, weird special abilities or immunities, and so on), and to offset that advantage they were penalized later, so the humans could really shine.

This of course ignored the concept of ancient dwarven fighters who really kicked ass, or centuries-old elven wizards that could cast spell to protect an entire forest, and so on.

It also ignored two other things that have a direct impact on the game as it is played. One, the AD&D game rules (whether 1st or 2nd edition) really started to break down after level 10, which meant that most people stopped playing when the game got to that level (simply because the game got too broken). Two, most gaming groups restart their campaign (either in the same world or another) about every six to nine months, which means that most games never got to the levels where demihuman level limits would be a factor.

In other words, the demihuman advantages were offset by a disadvantage that almost never came into play. That's quite unfair to humans.

[twillight]

1) Right, so who's metagaming then?
2) Min maxing is not minimal common sense. Please refer to that statistics crap up a few posts about 18 on two and 10 on everything else if you have a hard time understanding.
3) As said, DM option. Given that the devs had to be prepared for item hoarding soloing, metagaming munchkins, like a certain mage/thief min maxed and knowing all the enemies by heart. And no, will not get into an argument in this, your whole playthrough reports shows that. And for me, playing a game designed for a party of 6 alone is not a challenge or an achievment, since you can't do it without knowing the location of every loot and enemy. "I don't do the quests, because I don't need xp anymore, and the items it gives is shit" Yeah, no powergaming my arse.
4) This:

Yeah. How f*in' convincing from someone suggesting using Shadowkeeper and FakeTalk:no:

Over and out.

[hunvagy]

Yeah. How f*in' convincing from someone suggesting using Shadowkeeper and FakeTalk:no:

Over and out.

Huh? please show me where I suggested using the character editor. I want to see that quote from me.

[Scatty]

Yeah. How f*in' convincing from someone suggesting using Shadowkeeper and FakeTalk:no:

Over and out.
Excuse me, that was me giving that advice. Which I only gave with good intentions in mind. Don't blame others for something they didn't do.

Aside of that, maybe you two should calm down a bit. Bashing and flaming would ruin this thread, which is otherwise interesting to read & watch the progress.

[yoga]

or take off that full plate every time it spots a trap to disable it.Hunvagy, I am not needing above action because my character Paco the Bard is able to use his ability Find Trap.
Moreover I have the same spell with one of my Spell casters.

Peace is all we need.

:D

[hunvagy]

Hunvagy, I am not needing above action because my character Paco the Bard is able to use his ability Find Trap.
Moreover I have the same spell with one of my Spell casters.

Peace is all we need.

:D

Sorry yoga, but in that case I don't understand why you have a Fighter/Thief. You take multiclassed chars to create hybrid workhorses, ones that can take over the job of both a fighter and a thief. Sure they don't excel in any single, but can do both in a pinch. But if you have a dedicated trapfinder/disabler, then why having multiclassed ones? Your fighter thief only gets half fighter HD and half thief HD every level, making it substantially weaker then a pure fighter. Same for BAB progression. I know everyone should play after his/her own flavor, but I still think one should grasp the basics of the system one's using. You should get Drakensang or River of time, and you'd see very fast what I'm talking about.

[yoga]

Hunvagy,
Your arguments are indisputable and I totally agree with You.
But pls keep in mind that before 15 days yoga knows nothing about this game.
Now is too late to back to beginning to reorganize the party after Your directions.

PS: I met very though resistance in Dragon Eye level 4 and any advice for battle tactic is indispensable.
To refresh Yr memory:
- Some Albion met me. Then I met Geebo, the librarian and Sara the healer.
This is a place of some strange cult. There are also group of closed friendly warriors and many unfriendly strong Lizard-like warriors.
My attempt to steal a key from Albion failed so the only variant is mortal combat but I feel my power is ...hmmm.. not so high.
I had bloody fighting to understand that every time I restored my power, some High priest again and again send me group of 2 Trolls and 2 Lizards. Still I have no en. power to kill the that group and his creator because to road to Priest many cultists oppose me. Even liberation of friendly warriors does not help much.
Moreover there is one more Priest-like magician who also attacked me. Do not forget and these cultists.
Yes, I tricked Geebo and took some healers potions and spells from his secret room.
How do You mates overcome this problem?

I have no option as in BG saga to do some more quests and increase XP respectively my level.

TY for yr kind time.

[kmonster]

The only way to reach the 5th level is mortal combat. It's best to start the fight by summoning, buffing and then rescuing the prisoners (maybe setting skull traps on certain locations before will help too), they can help you a lot with their fighting power, sometimes I even think they could kill all those snake people all on their own.

In a chamber to the east is the high summoner, he summons more and more monsters, but a perfectly prepared party should be able to kill the monsters faster than he can resummon, but trying to get to him fast won't hurt, it's even possible to use stealth or invisibility if you think it's urgent.

You can farm XP in IWD, just try resting on level 3, when you get interrupted you'll get a lots of fighting XP. It can be fun for a while, but it's not necessary.


Before you start the big fight on level 4 make sure to buy the mage scrolls you want and sell the loot you can there.
Always have your bard memorize and cast "friends" before shopping, with 20+ cha you get the expensive items cheaper.
Then you can return to Kuldahar and sell the other loot and use the money gained to buy useful equipment, Orrick sells the shimmering sash (+3 AC), rogue's cowl (+2 AC) and a few useful scrolls for your mage or bard to learn. It's worth buying the lucky scimitar for your fighter/druid if Conlan sells it, it's quite cheap but very powerful. If those items aren't in your game version just save your money for later, but definitely buy enough ammo before you return.



Don't worry about your fighter/thief, even if you only use (studded) leather instead of switching armor he's still more powerful than a pure class thief.

[yoga]

The only way to reach the 5th level is mortal combat. It's best to start the fight by summoning, buffing and then rescuing the prisoners (maybe setting skull traps on certain locations before will help too), they can help you a lot with their fighting power, sometimes I even think they could kill all those snake people all on their own.

In a chamber to the east is the high summoner, he summons more and more monsters, but a perfectly prepared party should be able to kill the monsters faster than he can resummon, but trying to get to him fast won't hurt, it's even possible to use stealth or invisibility if you think it's urgent.

You can farm XP in IWD, just try resting on level 3, when you get interrupted you'll get a lots of fighting XP. It can be fun for a while, but it's not necessary.


Before you start the big fight on level 4 make sure to buy the mage scrolls you want and sell the loot you can there.
Always have your bard memorize and cast "friends" before shopping, with 20+ cha you get the expensive items cheaper.
Then you can return to Kuldahar and sell the other loot and use the money gained to buy useful equipment, Orrick sells the simmering sash (+3 AC), rogue's cowl (+2 AC) and a few useful scrolls for your mage or bard to learn. It's worth buying the lucky scimitar for your fighter/druid if Conlan sells it, it's quite cheap but very powerful. If those items aren't in your game version just save your money for later.

Don't worry about your fighter/thief, even if you only use (studded) leather instead of switching armor he's still more powerful than a pure class thief.

Huh! What a nice advice I needed.

I like so much these mortal combats with superior enemies.

If You remember, dear Kmonster I had similar case in FO1 when I attacked some ganga boss with 17 guards who kept closed some good man and about some radio. I left my 2 commandos in near church and started brave suicide attack. But actually this was not suicide but clever usage of all my resources and the result was - The winner is yoga the brave.
:3:

Hurrying to Kuldahar to do what has to be done.

Gross amount of my enemies if I am not wrong:
- Albion + about 12-14 cultists ~ 15
- I summoner - 1+6 trolls ~ 7
- II summoner - 1+6 snakes+ 2 trolls ~ 9
----------------------------------------------------
Total - about 30 monsters
against
6 men party of the brave + friendly warriors+ Kmonster and rest of the gang
6 + 6 + 6 = 18

So 18 vs 30.

Forward, the brave!
Победа будет за нами! My native
We will win!
:whistling:

PS: Dear Wicky and more dear twillight pls do not feel ignored. Your presence is vital for me, believe me.
Let united overcome the bad Sarevok or alike!
:3:

[kmonster]

If you are curious about how strong the prisoners are (or just want to be mean) you can hide your party and send your hidden thief with the freed prisoners and watch them fighting the monsters without endangering yourself.
If you're lucky they'll kill the monsters for you and you can kill them afterwards for their equipment. :sneaky:
But that's not very brave and you get more XP if you do participate in the battle.

It will be easier if you try resting on level 3 and kill the interrupting cold wights until both your multiclass fighters are level 7, they'll get an extra half attack per round then.

[hunvagy]

Hunvagy,
Your arguments are indisputable and I totally agree with You.
But pls keep in mind that before 15 days yoga knows nothing about this game.
Now is too late to back to beginning to reorganize the party after Your directions.



You're kidding, right? It uses the very same system as Baldur's Gate I-II. Everything we wrote applies here as well. The only difference is that you make all six characters (which actually is not a difference, you can start a multiplayer game of BG, and make the whole party yourself if you want to, and play like that).

[yoga]

You're kidding, right? It uses the very same system as Baldur's Gate I-II. Everything we wrote applies here as well. The only difference is that you make all six characters (which actually is not a difference, you can start a multiplayer game of BG, and make the whole party yourself if you want to, and play like that).


Dear Hunvagy,

with all my respect to YOU as a very good specialist may I politely note that:
- There is small difference between BG and IWD
if you do not mind and it is- In IWD I have no option to leave the main game scenario and start one or all 45 sub quests to up my level.
Do You follow my direction?
In advance I wanna state that I do not feel strong enough to enter discussion with You.

Ty.
:D

PS: Concerning

You are kidding, right

Yes, yoga always is kidding because I am good jester.
Note, no clown but jester.

[hunvagy]

Dear Hunvagy,

with all my respect to YOU as a very good specialist may I politely note that:
- There is small difference between BG and IWD
if you do not mind and it is- In IWD I have no option to leave the main game scenario and start one or all 45 sub quests to up my level.
Do You follow my direction?
In advance I wanna state that I do not feel strong enough to enter discussion with You.

Ty.
:D

PS: Concerning

You are kidding, right

Yes, yoga always is kidding because I am good jester.
Note, no clown but jester.

And how does that make any difference in the game mechanics? Please, please enlighten me. In IWD you gain way MORE experience then BG, hell by the time I arrived in the tombs, half the party was lvl4. And fyi, there are loads of sidequests, at least 9 just in the first city. Still it doesn't make a difference whether you have subquests or not that you know how a fighter works, that mages can't cast with armor on, that clerics don't scribe spells, all the things you asked already regarding BG... It's the same system for crying out loud. You can't even blame the icons, even those are the very same. If it was IWD2, I'd understand, that is some messed up implementation of DnD 3e, with a totally different UI.. but IWD is BG distilled into dungeon crawling. Meh, forget it.

[yoga]

OK, man, I give up.
:3:

You are more tough opponent than
Lord Xeen, Frank and machine in FO1, Lord Chaos, Sarevok and Irenicus bring together.:hihihi:

Even You criticize me in every post I like You.

This is the way to reach an enlightenment in RPG I hardly need.

PS: Soon I will invite You to a duel in Doom 2 to make from You a Shaslik. (Special grill meat, known very good in BG and Russia)
:hello:

[hunvagy]

OK, man, I give up.
:3:

You are more tough opponent than
Lord Xeen, Frank and machine in FO1, Lord Chaos, Sarevok and Irenicus bring together.:hihihi:

Even You criticize me in every post I like You.

This is the way to reach an enlightenment in RPG I hardly need.

PS: Soon I will invite You to a duel in Doom 2 to make from You a Shaslik. (Special grill meat, known very good in BG and Russia)
:hello:

I'm familiar with shaslik, don't worry :p And here's the thing, I might sound like an ass, but at least I'm honest. I won't cuddle up and smile if I think you make a blunder. You really should read back all the stuff your threads collected on BG 1-2, you can use all that in IWD to survive longer, and to make your won party decision next time.

[yoga]

And here's the thing, I might sound like an ass, but at least I'm honest.Sure. You are honest man.

BTW, may I very politely ask You why you never answered my wish to DO next game of a saga - The stone prophet ?
As You and DH86 did Ravenloft?

But if you think my Q is veeeeeeeeery rude, I cancel it.

OK?

[Capo]

I have found my lost copy of Icewind dale 2, maybe i will play it again since i dont remember anything of this game :dislike:

[yoga]

I have found my lost copy of Icewind dale 2, maybe i will play it again since i dont remember anything of this game :dislike:

:hello:
Si, Signor Capo,

Pls wait me a little to play together IWD 2. Grazie.

..
The victorious army of the brave just landed level 5.
All moving subjects from level 4 are eliminated successfully.
After patience battles at level 3 the brave increase his levels.

Deep bow to Gnadige Kmonster and all who like the brave and help this BG man.

Details tom. morning.

happy yog:whistling:

[yoga]

Well, this operation was not piece of cake at all.


But before details I want to state that the number of 31 opponents was not correct.
In a chamber to the east where is the high summoner, the brave found more hide snake men and trolls, except of summoned monster. So, about 35-36 opps wait to be smashed.
Realizing that the only way to reach the 5th level is mortal combat I started massive preparation.


1-st measure was to farm more XP.
Yes, Kmonster, I used to resting in level 3 knowing will be attacked by some green Wights.
They attacked of groups of 4 monsters. The win brings me 1500 XP.
I am a gamer with great patience. So, battle after battle I up my levels by 1-2. Genug.


2-nd measure was to return to Kuldahar and sell the all loot absolutely, then carefully to buy some potions, spells and armor and weaponry.
This way my party transferred in perfect killing machine. Even I am not so experienced Summoner as the dear Mage aka twillight is I started some spells education on the green hills of Kuldahar.
To novice: Do not forget to buy some scroll of Raise dead. They cost 750 GP. I took 6 pieces. And remember that Cleric only is able to summon Raise dead. So this character has to be alive at any cost.
Sadly, my version does not support some of above mentioned weapons, You kindly advised.
Now, prepared and ready, the brave entered the battle.


First, I free the friendly group of warriors, who help me a lot with their fighting power, killing main part of cultists. I think they also killed some snake men, but not all of them. Then I fast returned to the entrance summoning some spell (sry forget the name -was some plants created wrapping stopping fence) to eliminate following me enemies.
Reaching Albion I summoned Dispel magic to eliminate this person magic activity. No, I do not enter fight with Albion still but prepared for fight with approaching, summoned by High priest, group of Lizard-men and Trolls.
Yes, soon they appeared but the brave was ready and started the fight by summoning, buffing and attacking. OK, this was done.
Now I did not repeated my first fail to rest outside in level 3 but healed, organized and fast attacked this room in the East, where the High priest in question was located. I concentrated all my power and this of supporting Skeletons and Black bears to this Summoner, who, gladly first appeared before me.
Killing this one, the brave sighs with relief. Now I eliminated Albion and took the required key. Then I killed some Priest with 6 Yuin-Tu warriors, who think I am shaslik (ha ha ha).
Another is history.
--The brave, you have no casualties?
-No, I have casualties. Some of my heroes were killed. 3 times. But I kept my Cleric alive and used Raise dead scroll.

Hey, Mage, did You make some progress in hunt of Irenicus?
Wicky, Wie geht es Ihnen heute?:OK:

yoga in lvl 5 of IWD


:smile2:

[kmonster]

So another epic battle has been fought and won by the great heroes. :OK:
Now it's time for relaxing, in level 5 there's only a little girl and her friends. :lol:


Did you keep the prisoners on level 4 alive so they can watch your rest or did you kill them for their valuable equipment ?

It's a good thing that you don't have any elves in your party, "raise dead" doesn't work on them and resurrection is very expensive.
When your cleric learns to cast level 5 spells you won't need those scrolls any more, you can try if your druid can use them too in case your cleric gets killed.

Without the expansion there are less items to buy in shops, but you can find better random items on your travels, so don't worry, the weapons you can buy get obsolete when you find better ones later.

An useful item you can buy in Kuldahar is the bardic horn of Valhalla, a few extra helpers for emergencies are always welcome (although those are the only summons in the game which don't give you XP for their kills).

[yoga]

So another epic battle has been fought and won by the great heroes. :OK:
Now it's time for relaxing, in level 5 there's only a little girl and her friends. :lol:
Did you keep the prisoners on level 4 alive so they can watch your rest or did you kill them for their valuable equipment ?
It's a good thing that you don't have any elves in your party, "raise dead" doesn't work on them and resurrection is very expensive.
When your cleric learns to cast level 5 spells you won't need those scrolls any more, you can try if your druid can use them too in case your cleric gets killed.
Without the expansion there are less items to buy in shops, but you can find better random items on your travels, so don't worry, the weapons you can buy get obsolete when you find better ones later.
An useful item you can buy in Kuldahar is the bardic horn of Valhalla, a few extra helpers for emergencies are always welcome (although those are the only summons in the game which don't give you XP for their kills).

:D
Sure, I bought bardic horn of Valhalla and this horn was great help in the combat.
Conc. prisoners in lvl 4, I will try but will make save file if their weapons are not so nice. Moreover I am afraid that my Reputation will be decreased after such barbaric act - to kill my supporters.
Yes, we in BG has a proverb stating that in Love and war all measures are allowed..
:D
Kmonster,
do You kidding me with this little girl or it is a very true?
:3:

Q:
Is it true that limit of summoned monsters are 5 or 6 pieces? In BG 2 were 5.

Q2:
Hunvagy, why in BG1-2, when my leader was killed the game over, but not in IWD?

TY

[kmonster]

Your reputation won't suffer in the game if you kill your supporters, only your reputation on Abandonia :whistling:.

You'll meet the little girl yourself, maybe if you'll ask nicely she'll play with you, level 5 is the final level, more I won't spoil. :ph34r:

A: The limit is 6

A2: IWD is different from BG.

The "Baldur's Gate" games are "selfish" games, revolving around the protagonist. You play one "special" character and the goals of the games are fighting a bad guy who does bad things to you because you are "special". One character is the center of the world and party members are just tools to help him with his personal revenge.

In the Icewind Dale games there's no one special in the party, all are equally important. 6 characters with different strengths and weaknesses complement each other as team to save the world.

In BG2 you play 1 character (and babysit 5), in IWD you play a party.
You're game over in BG when the character dies, you're game over in IWD when the party dies.

When the babysitter is death there's no one left for babysitting, when a team member is down there are still others in the team who can help him.

[twillight]

Hey, Mage, did You make some progress in hunt of Irenicus?
Wicky, Wie geht es Ihnen heute?:OK:

yoga in lvl 5 of IWD


:smile2:

If you check your BG2 topic what you offered me to use too (very nice), you'll find constant details.
I'm currently done with Bodhi, got the Lantern, but not gave to the elves, instead went to Watcher's Keep.

twillight in lvl5 of Watcher's Keep, busy killing greater demons (hehh, I might even try Demogorgon).

[yoga]

@ Kmonster
You are very interesting person (in good meaning of the word :smile2:).
I thought before that more of German people do not like and not use humor, but after your notes I totally change my opinion.

OFF - I still do not know what are yr 3 favorite games?
Mine? - Heretic 1, Doom 2 and all RPG's.

@Mage
Mate, your progress is my progress, your success is my success. Yes, I play IWD now, but my heart lies still in Watcher's keep. I swear.
Let your blade is always sharp, let your provisions never ends, let luck is always with You.
Believe me, I bring luck to my friends.
Example: All of Bulgarians, who want my consultations and used them conc. USA visits afterward became USA's.

You are correct that I may visit the threat but Y'now this lvl 4 exhausted me totally.
And I follow the advise of the Wizard aka Kmonster to relax a bit before meeting with this mysterious little girl, who asks then disappeared then again appeared..
Hmmm. something is not...
The brave is old fox.
:smile2:

[kmonster]

OFF - I still do not know what are yr 3 favorite games?
Here are a few which are available on Abandonia:

Might and Magic 3
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/1035/Might+and+Magic+III+-+Isles+of+Terra.html

Loom
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/21/Loom.html

Chaos Engine (Amiga)
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/162/Chaos+Engine%2C+The.html

Descent
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/266/Descent.html

Battle Isle
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/268/Battle+Isle.html

Others are:
Great Giana Sisters (C64), Need for Speed: Porsche (PC), Streets of Rage 2 (Sega), Fallout, Planescape:Torment, ...

[yoga]

Thanks.

..
Conc. that little girl, ha ha ha.

It is odd, little but not innocent.
Million of Yuin-tu attacked me. I cleared first room in right.


Yes, these supporters have nice weaponry and my reputation not suffered. Anyway this act is not worthy for the brave.

PS: The forgotten name of the spell is Entagle.

[twillight]

@the Brave (aka yoga)

I won over Jon under 70 days, 18 hours! Please check your BG2 topic!

[yoga]

@the Brave (aka yoga)

I won over Jon under 70 days, 18 hours! Please check your BG2 topic!

Roger! I will check, but know I am engaged in a bloody battle with some small odd little girl, who suddenly became a fierce Snakey Queen and beat me at once.

Pls I need advise dear Mage.

You beat Jon for so short period!?!

I have no words!! Impossible..

I will send a petition to Paco the Great to create a medal for the best player who is forever

OF COURSE TWILLIGHT AKA MAGE.

sincerely yours

the brave
who need help at this very moment

[twillight]

I am engaged in a bloody battle with some small odd little girl, who suddenly became a fierce Snakey Queen and beat me at once.

sincerely yours

the brave
who need help at this very moment

Ok, so first specification:
I hope you have +2 or better equipment on ALL your characters.

Second: Cast combat-enchancing spells, haste above all. Some defense would also be helpfull.

Third: re-memorise spells for the sake of offensive power! With what you can't help your fighters imediatelly change to attack-spells! Be all spells fire-damage, as she is vulnerable to only those. Fighters might be wise to use potions the same manner.

Forth: if you are out of luck still, start running around all direction with BOW in your hands. If you have the ammunition, sooner or later she WILL die. Also with thief try backstab (you can hide if you can go out of her view)!

Otherwise sry, I still have some (would-be) gods to throw my mighty scimitar through their head!

[kmonster]

Now you finally know which game the little girl wants to play with you: mortal combat. :catfight:
Obviously she has read your previous post where you wrote "I like so much these mortal combats with superior enemies" and wanted to do you a favor :glomp: :D .

First it's important to find out which version of Yxunomei you're fighting, her first version was only vulnerable to +3 weapons or better while the HoW version can be hurt with +2 weapons.
So can you hurt her with arrows +2, the returning throwing axe +2 or other +2 weapons ?
Is the door closed when you fight her until she's killed or can you flee after killing a few of her allies ?

Make sure you've killed every monster you can on that level before preparing, talking to her and starting the battle. Casting the right summoning and buffing spells before is essential.
You can spend everything you have for this battle, no need to save something for later.

I'd try to kill her minions first and battle her afterwards when she's alone, but killing and looting her and running away afterwards can work too, just don't do both at the same time.

If you have freed Conlan's son on level 2 and returned to Kuldahar you should have gotten a weapon which can hurt her as reward.

She is immune to electricity and has about 50 percent magic resistance, so most spells work only half the time.
She doesn't have too many hitpoints, so if you can hurt her you can kill her fast.

[yoga]

Now you finally know which game the little girl wants to play with you: mortal combat. :catfight:
Obviously she has read your previous post where you wrote "I like so much these mortal combats with superior enemies" and wanted to do you a favor :glomp: :D .

First it's important to find out which version of Yxunomei you're fighting, her first version was only vulnerable to +3 weapons or better while the HoW version can be hurt with +2 weapons.
So can you hurt her with arrows +2, the returning throwing axe +2 or other +2 weapons ?
Is the door closed when you fight her until she's killed or can you flee after killing a few of her allies ?

Make sure you've killed every monster you can on that level before preparing, talking to her and starting the battle. Casting the right summoning and buffing spells before is essential.
You can spend everything you have for this battle, no need to save something for later.

I'd try to kill her minions first and battle her afterwards when she's alone, but killing and looting her and running away afterwards can work too, just don't do both at the same time.

If you have freed Conlan's son on level 2 and returned to Kuldahar you should have gotten a weapon which can hurt her as reward.

She is immune to electricity and has about 50 percent magic resistance, so most spells work only half the time.
She doesn't have too many hitpoints, so if you can hurt her you can kill her fast.

:whistling:
Je vous remercie beaucoup mes bons amis.

OK. I politely will ask the little girl what version she is..

.Yes, and my idea is to eliminate first her minions.
Step by step.
Hmm.. this Conlan weapon is something I met already. Will return to find in the village.
OK, I understand yr direction.

Pls, one Q only.

Q: Do you think, mates, Dispel and Entagle spells are usable in this case. I do have some arrows+2 and ready to hit it with Bow.

@Mage aka twillight
Pls would be so kind give me more details about your best weapon used in BG2 - Traps?

[twillight]

Q: Do you think, mates, Dispel and Entagle spells are usable in this case. I do have some arrows+2 and ready to hit it with Bow.

@Mage aka twillight
Pls would be so kind give me more details about your best weapon used in BG2 - Traps?

Q1: Dispel is a twoedged weapon, and you have to know how to use it right.
First: it effects EVERYONE in a certain area - let them be friend or foe.
Second: it removes buffs and curses, but not things like Stoneskin.
Entangle may restrict movement if the person in its area (it also effects everyone) fail a savethrow - so I wouldn't bet on this against such a powerful creature like the Sneak Queen. But might worth a try if youwant and think can handle the situation.

Q2: In BG2 thieves have a special ability to Set Snares (or Traps). If the character is out of any enemy sight, (s)he can cast this (handled as spell by the engine), and a trap will be layed on the given position. If an enemy gets close to it the trap activates, and causes its effect (basic traps deal physical damage, but there are special varieties). This damage ignores immunities and resistances. With boots of speed I can running around and lay these nasties even in the middle of combat! There is a limitation on how many you may put down at once on a map, but that usually do not count.
It basically equalls with the Skull Trap spell (what though counts immunities/resistances, but has no limitation in number, and can be cast when seen).

[yoga]

[quote=twillight;433378]Q1: Dispel is a twoedged weapon, and you have to know how to use it right.
First: it effects EVERYONE in a certain area - let them be friend or foe.
Second: it removes buffs and curses, but not things like Stoneskin.
Entangle may restrict movement if the person in its area (it also effects everyone) fail a savethrow - so I wouldn't bet on this against such a powerful creature like the Sneak Queen. But might worth a try if youwant and think can handle the situation.

:lol:
I want to use Dead traps as these before hide out of the pretty little girl. May I?
Skull Trap spell is a nice spell. I had a case when 1 spell destroyed Lizard!

..Wait, wait Mage.
How many sub quests did You in BG2 + expansion?
The brave did all - about 36-7 of total 45.
...and point that brave played to enjoy not hurry at all. I stopped because of high temperatures and drank cold Hungarian beer from time to time.
I am not marathon runner but calm gamer.
:3:

[kmonster]

A: Dispel won't help. Yxunomei and her minions aren't buffed with spells which make them more powerful, she's immune to normal weapons because her skin is so hard.
Make sure you or the enemies don't dispel all the buffs you cast on your party before the battle.

Entangle can work, so can web. Even if the chance to surpass both her magic resistance and her saving throws is low there are still other monsters which don't have spell resistance or saving throws which are that good.
You can run out to the west (have only one character walk to her and the others wait further west preparing to cast) and cast web and entangle to stop most monsters from following you so you don't have to handle all at once.

It's very easy to find out if your Yxunomei is vulnerable to +2 weapons, just shoot +2 arrows and the returning throwing axe at her or use +2 melee weapons. If you hit her and get the message "damage taken(...)" she is vulnerable, if you get "weapon ineffective" she isn't.
It's even easier to find out if the door to the west has closed to trap you, just run west and check if there's a closed door to stop you.

[yoga]

OK.I am ready, but...

an urgent (my projects are always urgent) project on the way..

Rats!!

Anyway one must provide resources for his mortal life.
Even the great Wizard aka Kmonster worked some time last week.:3:

I thought to summon Entagle and from save place to hit that girl or her minions with Arrow+2?

[yoga]

Done.

I was worked on the project, starving the same time to battle the pretty girl with 6 hands.

So after gaming all the night long the brave won.
Details later, now goto bed.

But still no info how to use spell Traps and DEAD traps if possible.

the sleepy yoga
:)

[yoga]

:)
Wake up:

-How the brave finished pretty little girl Yxinomei?

Piece of cake after good directions and equipment. In details:
This monster can not be stop by Entangle and Dispel spells. She attacked with 2 spells: Cloud Kill and Animate dead, supported by 3 Bowsnakes and some Priests.
So, I accept the next tactic knowing that she has Magical resistance and the only solution is mortal combat.
I attacked with Conlan hammer and +2 weapons and arrows. I know she is with no many XP.
I buffed and then - attack and back to safe place. I carefully read the screen writings and realized she is vulnerable after bashing and bow.
Well, after 4-5 attacks she was down.
Then the brave left to lvl 4 and equipped with a big weapon named Patience started massacre of Wights to farm XP.
So my levels are high. Soon a report will be presented.

Rest. Arundel. Now I entered the next location.
:3:

[twillight]

But still no info how to use spell Traps and DEAD traps if possible.

The WHUT?



PS: my quests from BG2 (titles by DSimpson):
Irenicus' Dungeon: completly cleaned, including all monsters, subquest and interrest
Act 2: All quests done, excluding Cernd's child, Korgan's quest (but I killed the monsters), Anomen's murdered sister, Anomen and the Knights of the Radiant Heart, Mazzy and Gorf, Nalia's Father's Funeral, The Return of the Fiance & the Abduction of Nalia, Ankegh-killing in Windspear Hills (not quest, just random monsterkilling if you ask me), Find the Nether Scroll for Edwin, Night Thieves (I don't believe this event actually exists), Captain Dennis and the Mercenaries of Riatavin (instead I did the Limited Wish Adevnture, and these two are mutualy exclusive), Boots of Stealth & a Gem (not real quest), Jan Jansen Summoned Home, Keldorn's Family Troubles, Summoned before the Harpers (Jaheira quest), Revianne & Dermin the Harpers (Jaheira quest), Jaheira Leaves the Party (again), Jaheira & Dermin Finale, Terminsel the Harper (Jaheira quest), Jaheira gets Cursed, The Two Feuding Houses (I did the Druidic Removal the evil way, and these two are mutaly exclusive), Mazzy's Family's Quest = I've left out all party related quests (10 NPC), 1 random monsterkilling, 1 only exists in walkthrough, 2 not-possible-because-other-quest.
Act3: I worked for the Shadow Thieves (all quests done)
Act 4: from the Painted Doors I only opened the Umberhulk's (the rest counts as random monsterkilling). Amongst the Shaugains I sided the Prince (mutually exclusive). Otherwise all quests done.
Act 5: From the Giant Soul Gem I only released Facet 2-5-6 (the rest is only random monsterkilling). I did not do: Free the Humans, The Trapped Djinn. I've not entered House Jae'llat, and didn't do any of the Tavern Duels, or Tavern Monster Battles (counts as random monsterkilling). I did not enter the Beholder City. Otherwise all quests done. = left out 2 minor quests and lots of random monsterkilling.
Act 6: I did not Restore my Lover, Restore Yoshimo's Soul (NPC-related, the two are done the same time). I met not this quest: The Doppleganger Brigands (probably depends to have an actual party). Small Teeth Pass and North Forest are just random monster killing. I left out the quest in Forest of Tethyr (but visited the area for an item) = left out 1 quest, and 3 party-related quests.
Act 7: all quests done.
Stronghold: all quests done from mage's stronghold.
Watcher's Keep: I left out most fights (counts as random monsterkilling) on Level 3. I did not bother the dragon and the demilich on Level 4 (counts as random monsterkilling). On Level 5 from the coloured orbs I only did all four red, 1st blue, 1st purple, all four green (all the rest counts as random monsterkilling). Otherwise all quests done.
Act 8: I have not done Stop the Dwarves, Peltje's Vampires. I did not Kill Fire Giants (counts as random monsterkilling). I did not explore the Sewers or any open area where is no quest. I did not fight Imix (counts as random monsterkilling). = I've left out 2 minor quests.

[kmonster]

But still no info how to use spell Traps and DEAD traps if possible.
Don't worry, I never bothered casting "skull trap" either. That's not my playstyle. But you can have your mage and/or bard memorize and cast this level 3 spell a few times if you want. If the monsters refuse to walk into the trap you can walk into it yourself so it's not wasted :D.

Then the brave left to lvl 4 and equipped with a big weapon named Patience started massacre of Wights to farm XP.
Don't overdo the XP farming there, with all the bonus XP the following chapter might get too easy and you can farm XP faster later in the game if you want.
No need to waste so much time now to become more powerful (unless you really enjoy it), there are no frightening little girls to fight in chapter 3.:lol:
The game is balanced quite well for beating it without XP farming, my party members had about 125,000 XP each at the start of chapter 3.

[yoga]

The WHUT?



PS: my quests from BG2 (titles by DSimpson):
Irenicus' Dungeon: completly cleaned, including all monsters, subquest and interrest
Act 2: All quests done, excluding Cernd's child, Korgan's quest (but I killed the monsters), Anomen's murdered sister, Anomen and the Knights of the Radiant Heart, Mazzy and Gorf, Nalia's Father's Funeral, The Return of the Fiance & the Abduction of Nalia, Ankegh-killing in Windspear Hills (not quest, just random monsterkilling if you ask me), Find the Nether Scroll for Edwin, Night Thieves (I don't believe this event actually exists), Captain Dennis and the Mercenaries of Riatavin (instead I did the Limited Wish Adevnture, and these two are mutualy exclusive), Boots of Stealth & a Gem (not real quest), Jan Jansen Summoned Home, Keldorn's Family Troubles, Summoned before the Harpers (Jaheira quest), Revianne & Dermin the Harpers (Jaheira quest), Jaheira Leaves the Party (again), Jaheira & Dermin Finale, Terminsel the Harper (Jaheira quest), Jaheira gets Cursed, The Two Feuding Houses (I did the Druidic Removal the evil way, and these two are mutaly exclusive), Mazzy's Family's Quest = I've left out all party related quests (10 NPC), 1 random monsterkilling, 1 only exists in walkthrough, 2 not-possible-because-other-quest.
Act3: I worked for the Shadow Thieves (all quests done)
Act 4: from the Painted Doors I only opened the Umberhulk's (the rest counts as random monsterkilling). Amongst the Shaugains I sided the Prince (mutually exclusive). Otherwise all quests done.
Act 5: From the Giant Soul Gem I only released Facet 2-5-6 (the rest is only random monsterkilling). I did not do: Free the Humans, The Trapped Djinn. I've not entered House Jae'llat, and didn't do any of the Tavern Duels, or Tavern Monster Battles (counts as random monsterkilling). I did not enter the Beholder City. Otherwise all quests done. = left out 2 minor quests and lots of random monsterkilling.
Act 6: I did not Restore my Lover, Restore Yoshimo's Soul (NPC-related, the two are done the same time). I met not this quest: The Doppleganger Brigands (probably depends to have an actual party). Small Teeth Pass and North Forest are just random monster killing. I left out the quest in Forest of Tethyr (but visited the area for an item) = left out 1 quest, and 3 party-related quests.
Act 7: all quests done.
Stronghold: all quests done from mage's stronghold.
Watcher's Keep: I left out most fights (counts as random monsterkilling) on Level 3. I did not bother the dragon and the demilich on Level 4 (counts as random monsterkilling). On Level 5 from the coloured orbs I only did all four red, 1st blue, 1st purple, all four green (all the rest counts as random monsterkilling). Otherwise all quests done.
Act 8: I have not done Stop the Dwarves, Peltje's Vampires. I did not Kill Fire Giants (counts as random monsterkilling). I did not explore the Sewers or any open area where is no quest. I did not fight Imix (counts as random monsterkilling). = I've left out 2 minor quests.

Stop, stop!
Why You do not save buried man in the coffin?
In Graveyard district in North part?

I did it! I am gentleman, not brutal killer from Hungary.
:hihihi:

[yoga]

:hihihi:
Wicky lvl 9
XP - 300 K
next - 500 K

[yoga]

:hihihi:
Master
lvl 8 F
XP - 150 K
next - 250 K

lvl 10 Druid
XP - 150 K
next - 200 K

[twillight]

Stop, stop!
Why You do not save buried man in the coffin?
In Graveyard district in North part?

I did it! I am gentleman, not brutal killer from Hungary.
:hihihi:

yoga, I know you don't like it, but PLEASE, this time READ.
I DID save man in coffin. (Then killed the man in red, and kept his hostage my hostage, so got the Silver Pantaloon as ransom, then went back and killed a lot of cowled wizards who went to punish whoever captured some Lady.)
I listed those quests what I have not done, not what I did! (The list is much shorter and clean this way.):wilco:

[yoga]

OK.
Yoga finished BG 2 with 37 done from 45 sub quests. I duly listed these quests.

Important note: Non fulfilled from yoga sub quests are because of circumstances beyond yoga power.
Example: Some test requires the party leader to be Illusionist but yoga leader was not Illusionist. And so on.

Second note: Yoga played BG 2 without expansion set.

You want to compare my speed rate with yours knowing that the brave has no in mind competition but played to enjoy only? If so, you are not correct.

Of course I agree you are more experienced spells summoner. This fact I confess many times. Actually I do not understand what do you want from me? ???

Btw, the dispute who is better, smarter for me is not important at ALL.
You know me very well.... and pls do not use red color. Please. Ty

[yoga]

@Kmonster
:smile2:
Dear Kmonster, I highly appreciate your nice humor sense.
..Now, yoga, is time to relax because in 5 lvl you will find a little girl....only.
Nice little girl with 6 hands..:smile2:
...Traps.. You, yoga, may use these traps...:OK:
..But for defeater of Lord of Chaos, Wizardry 6 is piece of cake..:)

Before 5 years you sent yoga the idiot to fight against 17 Lava monsters stating that no more that 2-3 monsters are in the lava.
Ha ha ha

Remember? I will refresh yr memory: The game Is
World of Xeen - second part, the location is North West..Lava region. Aber,
Even surprised the brave fight as lion and killing 3 pcs of them used near teleporter to vanish save and victorious.
(After this moment I asked You politely-Why do you advice me this way? - You answered - For more excitement - sry quote by memory, ..)

Nice answer- I like this manner.

Please keep this line.. Danke

[yoga]

:smile2:
Caro Capo - my most favorite character
Fighter lvl 8
XP - 150 K
next-250 K

Cleric lvl 8
XP - 150 K
next-225 K

I have nice spell: When summoned before caster appeared triangle sharp stones, which appeared/disappeared under enemies this way punch them hard.

[yoga]

:smile2:
Hunvagy - Fighter/Mage

Mage lvl 10
XP - 300 K
next-375 K

Fighter lvl 2
Stopped

[kmonster]

@Kmonster
:smile2:
Dear Kmonster, I highly appreciate your nice humor sense.
..Now, yoga, is time to relax because in 5 lvl you will find a little girl....only.
Nice little girl with 6 hands..:smile2:
...Traps.. You, yoga, may use these traps...:OK:
..But for defeater of Lord of Chaos, Wizardry 6 is piece of cake..:)
Before 5 years you sent yoga the idiot to fight against 17 Lava monsters stating that no more that 2-3 monsters are in the lava.
Ha ha ha
Remember? I will refresh yr memory: The game Is
World of Xeen - second part, the location is North West..Lava region. Aber,
Even surprised the brave fight as lion and killing 3 pcs of them used near teleporter to vanish save and victorious.
(After this moment I asked You politely-Why do you advice me this way? - You answered - For more excitement - sry quote by memory, ..)
Nice answer- I like this manner.
Please keep this line.. Danke
Remember ? p.44 at
http://www.abandonia.com/en/forum?url=showthread.php?t=4718 (http://www.abandonia.com/en/forum?url=showthread.php?t=4718)
In World of Xeen I didn't send you to the lava monsters and never told you how many were there, I even told you to avoid A1 until you gained more levels.
That there'd be only one of those beasts was your own imagination and since you had fun preparing and fighting what you called the "final battle" with this single beast I was glad having resisted the temptation to spoil you that this was just a standard area A1 monster you were preparing for.:hihihi:

It's a good thing everyone kept quiet so you can proudly remember your heroic battles even 3 years later.:OK:

The same applies to IWD, it's only half as much fun if you know the truth about the little girl before seeing it for yourself. :omg:

[twillight]

OK.
Yoga finished BG 2 with 37 done from 45 sub quests. I duly listed these quests.

Important note: Non fulfilled from yoga sub quests are because of circumstances beyond yoga power.
Example: Some test requires the party leader to be Illusionist but yoga leader was not Illusionist. And so on.

Second note: Yoga played BG 2 without expansion set.

You want to compare my speed rate with yours knowing that the brave has no in mind competition but played to enjoy only? If so, you are not correct.

Of course I agree you are more experienced spells summoner. This fact I confess many times. Actually I do not understand what do you want from me? ???

Btw, the dispute who is better, smarter for me is not important at ALL.
You know me very well.... and pls do not use red color. Please. Ty

OFF
Dear yoga,
What I want from you to understand what you read!
I simply can not tell you how many quests I've completed, because I do not know what you count as a "quest"!
So instead I told what I did not complete.
Then you asked why didn't do this-and-this quest, what I did not list as "not completed", so it goes without saying I did complete that quest.
I got angry not because "who is better" but because you don't listen to the answers on your questions!

[yoga]

It's a good thing everyone kept quiet so you can proudly remember your heroic battles even 3 years later.:OK:

The same applies to IWD, it's only half as much fun if you know the truth about the little girl before seeing it for yourself. :omg:[/quote]

..Ha ha ha
Sure. Absolutely correct..
:whistling:

[yoga]

Well, well, kill this bastard yoga..

Who do not read the posts, who is lazy beggar.

Every one criticizes yoga, everyone wants to shut yoga's mouth. OK.
I may stop discussing RPG games, goto Nepal cave and in this calm, holly place to gaming.

12 hours the brave will be silent person.

:no:

[Capo]

:smile2:
Caro Capo - my most favorite character
Fighter lvl 8
XP - 150 K
next-250 K

Cleric lvl 8
XP - 150 K
next-225 K

I have nice spell: When summoned before caster appeared triangle sharp stones, which appeared/disappeared under enemies this way punch them hard.

A big shield and a fine helmet. Perfect! :OK:

[yoga]

A big shield and a fine helmet. Perfect! :OK:


Benvenuto, Caro Capo..

My deep respect to YOU will never end!

I am at your side forever..

BTW, my character Capo is very, very useful party member.

Ciao, Caro Capo.

Greetings from very sunny BG to sunny Italy.
:smile2:

[yoga]

:smile2:
Tomekk

Bard
lvl 11
XP - 300 K
next - 440 K

Buna ziua, vecin, ce mai faci?
:hello:

[yoga]

:smile2:
Paco the Great

Thief
lvl 11
XP - 300 K
next - 440 K

Fighter
Stopped

Guten Morgen, Gnadige Herr Paco.
:hello:

[yoga]

The brave just finished Hand and started new project - DEN.

[kmonster]

Your commandos seem to be a bit vain, everyone is wearing non-magical rings, necklaces, girdles and other stuff around instead of selling them. :giggles:

Paco is wearing plate mail which disables most thieving skills so you have to unequip it each time you want to disarm a trap, pick a lock or hide in shadows.
I'd give the magical studded leather from Tomekk's inventory to him, so you can switch it when you want to use his thieving skills (I'd even be too lazy to switch and have him wear leather all the time), his bracers AC6 are better used on Tomekk or Hungavy who get their spellcasting disabled by armor.

If a character is wearing both bracers and body armor/robes which set AC to a certain value only the better (=lower) AC is used, so you don't need those bracers AC8 for your fighters.

Be aware that Wicky will get a 40 percent penalty to hit if he uses his throwing axe in melee without switching its abilities, so I'd give a backup melee weapon to him.
4 of your characters are very brave to fight without a ranged weapon and Paco seems to brave to use backstabbing, he doesn't use weapons pure class thieves can use and therefore allow backstabbing.:ph34r:

Q: Did you find armor which is AC2 and offers additional 20% cold resistance in chapter 3 ?

[Tomekk]

:smile2:
Tomekk

Bard
lvl 11
XP - 300 K
next - 440 K

Buna ziua, vecin, ce mai faci?
:hello:

Nem vagyok román, bazdmeg :p

But I see I got a Flaming Sword, so the fact that my character turned out to be a wussy bard is now balanced out. *nod*

[yoga]

Hi, mates,
battling all the day in Den (Mage, I found the missing 4-th piece for astrolabe) and being Diploma engineer fixed the damaged device, have no time to see yr comments.
Now I visit AB, but my hand is trembles because of looooong usage. Ich bin sehr mude.
Excuse me , pls, tom. morning I will be inline and online to answer or ask you.
Merci, mon ...

yoga
the pride of the AB
humble but brave:smile2:

[yoga]

@Kmonster

Dear Wizard, I did all recommendations You kindly suggest.
A: I afraid NO.
But can return to search it.
Well, some time I am before next dilemma:
I evaluate for example 2 tools.
First is +2 but let say 2800 GP.
Second is ordinary but costs 5000 GP.
So, the Q is what is better.

OFF
Excuse me please, do You finished the game Ultima 8 Pagan?
I started 7 times and always kaput, me the idiot..
(sob, sob)

@Tomekk

bazdmeg ?
Very polite, huh?:3:

OFF
Dear Tomekk, I am informed that there are Hungarians who live in Romania.
Moreover, these men want to separate from Romania?
Maybe Your Majesty is from above people?:lol:

Very big presence of Hungarian Masters in AB.
and all hostile to one humble but brave person..

Kidding, Willy ...........

hahaha

the brave

Last minute Listing of my AC and HP
Wicky -5, 86
Scatty -4, 63
Capo -3, 64
Hunvagy - 1, 73
Tomekk - 1,73
Paco +2, 73
Note: All commandos used their magics.
In some cases I have so many weapons that I hesitate what to use.

Sposibo, comrades

:smile2:

[kmonster]

@Kmonster

Dear Wizard, I did all recommendations You kindly suggest.
A: I afraid NO.
But can return to search it.
Well, some time I am before next dilemma:
I evaluate for example 2 tools.
First is +2 but let say 2800 GP.
Second is ordinary but costs 5000 GP.
So, the Q is what is better.

OFF
Excuse me please, do You finished the game Ultima 8 Pagan?
I started 7 times and always kaput, me the idiot..
(sob, sob)

The armor is a random item, chances are high you found another useful magical item after defeating Kaylessa instead. I didn't find any elven chain in my first game either, so don't worry.

When comparing the usefulness of items price is unimportant.

For comparing armor mainly compare the AC they offer, for comparing weapons mainly compare the bonus to hit they give and damage they deal average.
Then look at the special bonuses, an extra attack per round is of course far more valuable than a little bonus damage per hit for example. A chance to stun which doesn't allow a save can help a lot when fighting superior enemies.

There are monsters you need a minimum enchantment for to damage, you needed +2 for Yxunomei, +3 weapons can hurt everything, but there are only 2 fights in chapter 6 where you need better than +2 weapons.
Remember that for choosing the right weapons your characters' weapon proficiencies are more important than weapon stats.

When choosing armor remember that your thief can only use his skill in (studded) leather, your bard can only wear bracers and your mage only robes without getting spellcasting disabled (actually everyone can wear bracers but you'll find magical leather armor and robes with AC so low that bracers won't improve it).

OFF
I never played any Ultima game much. I tried Ultima IV twice because it was supposed to be a highlight but it's crap. I never bothered with Ultima 8.

[Scatty]

Ultima 8 is quite different from other earlier Ultima games though. And much more interesting and rich in game atmosphere than the latter, in my humble opinion.

[yoga]

[quote=kmonster;433596]The armor is a random item, chances are high you found another useful magical item after defeating Kaylessa instead. I didn't find any elven chain in my first game either, so don't worry.
When comparing the usefulness of items price is unimportant.
For comparing armor mainly compare the AC they offer, for comparing weapons mainly compare the bonus to hit they give and damage they deal average.
Then look at the special bonuses, an extra attack per round is of course far more valuable than a little bonus damage per hit for example. A chance to stun which doesn't allow a save can help a lot when fighting superior enemies.

There are monsters you need a minimum enchantment for to damage, you needed +2 for Yxunomei, +3 weapons can hurt everything, but there are only 2 fights in chapter 6 where you need better than +2 weapons.
Remember that for choosing the right weapons your characters' weapon proficiencies are more important than weapon stats.

When choosing armor remember that your thief can only use his skill in (studded) leather, your bard can only wear bracers and your mage only robes without getting spellcasting disabled (actually everyone can wear bracers but you'll find magical leather armor and robes with AC so low that bracers won't improve it).

:lol:
Nah, every day I learn some news for RPG.
Your directions are as lecture for young RPG students.

I am surprised of the fact how do You, the Mage, the Master, my nice critic Hunvagy collected knowledge for every game I start.
Amazing.
Pls. note I know You and Master from 2006 years. Good old Lord X..

Bad news from battleground.

I am battling with some lich in Den which refuse to die, bastard. I sent 4 elemental (1 fire + 3 earth) plus 2 Skeletons, hit it with Skull traps and hack it with Axe of my leader and the monster dies 2 times and... yes, regenerates and again before me. Beat me with Animate dead.
The only defect of IWD is that I am forced to back 2-3 levels to find place to restore...
Sadly, last time it summoned special spell, unknown till now : It hits me with spell named - Urgent project to the brave and this way eliminates yoga to 14 September..
Rats!!!

Do You meet this spell? No solution...
:3:
I enjoyed v. much with puzzle here. 3 symbols..
Excuse me pls, do You helped me with the Chinese puzzle in Ultima 8 (some lifting up-down columns)? No, no..
:smile2:

[yoga]

As usually Scatty is abs. correct.
Ultima 8 Pagan is nice game, believe me Kmonster.


I will never forget his (Master) valuable help to finish Ultima II - Labyrinth.. I still hear in my head his words - Beware, yoga. This guardian is monster!


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@Kmonster
Urgent

A friend of mine asks me to translate small technical text from Eng to BG.
Sadly in the text there is a German-like word

Kündig

What is the meaning of this world?

In English.(If You want translate in BG lang.):smile2:

No any help with uncle Google translator.

Because the text is confidential I am unable to give You all sentence.
Anyway this is in the field of Loom machines and concerns Tolerance percentage parameter.
Would be so kind help BG yoga to keep his image? Danke


Your prompt and positive answer will be highly appreciated.
Pls, excuse me in advance for any inconveniences this may cause You.


grateful yog aka the brave

[kmonster]

@Kmonster
Urgent

A friend of mine asks me to translate small technical text from Eng to BG.
Sadly in the text there is a German-like word

Kündig

What is the meaning of this world?

In English.(If You want translate in BG lang.):smile2:

No any help with uncle Google translator.

Because the text is confidential I am unable to give You all sentence.
Anyway this is in the field of Loom machines and concerns Tolerance percentage parameter.
Would be so kind help BG yoga to keep his image? Danke


Your prompt and positive answer will be highly appreciated.
Pls, excuse me in advance for any inconveniences this may cause You.


grateful yog aka the brave


"Kündig" is no german word. I know "kundig" or "kündigen" which you can easily find in an online dictionary, maybe it's a name or so.

[twillight]

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@Kmonster
Urgent

A friend of mine asks me to translate small technical text from Eng to BG.
Sadly in the text there is a German-like word

Kündig

What is the meaning of this world?

In English.(If You want translate in BG lang.):smile2:

No any help with uncle Google translator.

It means "ending"* (in use: it ends something; eg. "fulfillment ends a contract").
*I translated through hungarian

Google translation here says from german streight to english the word means "terminating".

[yoga]

It means "ending"* (in use: it ends something; eg. "fulfillment ends a contract").
*I translated through hungarian

Google translation here says from german streight to english the word means "terminating".

:whistling:
Thanks both gentlemen for their time.

Sadly, Mage, the meanings you spoke about do not respond to the idea of the text.
The text is technical.
OK.
Ty again for yr fast response.

Help in need is help indeed.
:p

[twillight]

:whistling:
Thanks both gentlemen for their time.

Sadly, Mage, the meanings you spoke about do not respond to the idea of the text.
The text is technical.
OK.
Ty again for yr fast response.

Help in need is help indeed.
:p

Things would be easier if you'd give some more text then (the whole sentence in question for example).

[Scatty]

There is no such German word as kündig, if written exactly like it. As kmonster said, there's only kundig (skillful or expert) or kündigen (resign, terminate, dismiss). A bit more of the sentence itself might help indeed.
Maybe it's not a German word at all.

[yoga]

There is no such German word as kündig, if written exactly like it. As kmonster said, there's only kundig (skillful or expert) or kündigen (resign, terminate, dismiss). A bit more of the sentence itself might help indeed.
Maybe it's not a German word at all.

OK. You, nice mates, push good yoga to jail.:smile2:
Die Maschine ist in Deutschland hergestellt.
Ty for your attempts. I know that with so insufficient info no one can help.
:OK:
Mage, pls give me definition of the word - Entropy
but pls I do not want Google translation.
Do You?
Entropy is a term of thermodynamics.
:smile2:

Note: Am I wrong receiving some hours before Error message and was unable to enter AB site?

..What about this Lich? It is v. strong..

As You know I am summoned and unable to game until 14.9

[kmonster]

..What about this Lich? It is v. strong..

Talk to the ghost in the forge about what happened and offer to help and he'll give you information about the lich and how to kill him permanently.

[yoga]

Talk to the ghost in the forge about what happened and offer to help and he'll give you information about the lich and how to kill him permanently.

Rodger.
But being summoned till 14.9 I am unable to play.
:smile2:
The project is so urgent and huge that lazy brave is crying all the time and working as a slave closed and guarded by evil orcs in the cave prison.
Still I dunno a spell against this spell.
:ph34r:
working slave yoga

[twillight]

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Mage, pls give me definition of the word - Entropy
but pls I do not want Google translation.
Do You?
Entropy is a term of thermodynamics.
:smile2:


No, yoga. Only ONE meaning of "entropy" is the definition in termodynamics.
The definition for thermod. is (in words): the measurement of un-organisation of matter.
And as I never really understood what the heck entropy covers in physics, don't ask me about it any more.

PS: Me too could not reach abandonia today early.

[yoga]

Bravo, twillight.
Correct.

My teacher definition is:

Entropy is general coordinate of the space.

I am agree with You about non clearness of this word.

Q: May I transfer my gang in IWD 2?

:3:

[Tomekk]

Q: May I transfer my gang in IWD 2?

:3:

As far as I know, IWD2 is D&D 3.0, not AD&D2. (basically, different system altogether) So I doubt it.

[kmonster]

You cannot transfer characters from IWD to IWD2. IWD2 plays 30 years after IWD and uses totally different rules, so you'll have to create a fresh level 1 party.

You can transfer your IWD party into the HoW and TotL expansions however.

A good place for in depth word explanations is Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(disambiguation)

[yoga]

OK

OFF
EntropyTheorem of German scientific Clausius (1855) http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/c/3/cc3d289d05cd415244a61651c0765880.png states (quotes by memory, hope it serves me well) that in cosmos meaning
The Entropy increases non stop this way the temperature difference between cosmic planets tends to 0.
Or in simple words we are going to Thermal dead.
When delta T (T1 -T2) = 0 we will transfer in Ice world with no any life.
T1 for example is T of the Sun
T2 for example is T of the Earth
Note: T is temperature in Celsius degrees.

Pls, excuse mates for these thoughts but I am unable to play and work as slave.
As that poor prisoners of war who, attached with iron chain to the lowest ship deck row till die of exhaustion.
Unchain and trowed to the shark.
New slave occupied the mortal place and so on..
:smile2:
Please, excuse me Dave..

Q: I am in Den. 50% of game passed?

Q2: Am I able to pass IWD 1 with 1 commando as the Mage did in BG2? Principally.
But where is my good friend from Hungary, who criticized me and some ass was spoken?
:)
Dear Tomekk, was bedeutet the first symbol in my equation?

[twillight]

OFF
EntropyTheorem of German scientific Clausius (1855) http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/c/3/cc3d289d05cd415244a61651c0765880.png states (quotes by memory, hope it serves me well) that in cosmos meaning
The Entropy increases non stop this way the temperature difference between cosmic planets tends to 0.
Or in simple words we are going to Thermal dead.

Q: I am in Den. 50% of game passed?

Q2: Am I able to pass IWD 1 with 1 commando as the Magedid in BG2? Principally.
But where is my good friend from Hungary, who criticized me and some ass was spoken?
:)
Dear Tomekk, was bedeutet the first symbol in my equation?

1) My question to the idiots who came with the "Termal Dead" hypothesis: if they are ight, where did heat came from at first??? I think this shows the equatation is not complete, and has limitations, required to be discovered to ensure avoiding "Termal Death".

2) If you don't have HoW (expansion), then you're over 66% of IWD1, and ca. 50% when counting in difficulty.

3) You have no chance soloing IWD, period. Most of the times you don't have space to run away, you don't have the serious equipment (like I'm running around 80+% magic resitance, unlimited ammo ranged weapons, selfrecharging items, regenerations, highlevel-abilities etc.).
Hey, in BG2 topic I give final equipment and statreport in some minutes!

[Tomekk]

Dear Tomekk, was bedeutet the first symbol in my equation?

I have no idea what Entropy has to do with any of this... isn't that the Theory that everything in Space will just move away from eachother and freeze?:omg:

[kmonster]

3) You have no chance soloing IWD, period. Most of the times you don't have space to run away, you don't have the serious equipment (like I'm running around 80+% magic resitance, unlimited ammo ranged weapons, selfrecharging items, regenerations, highlevel-abilities etc.).
You can definitely solo Icewind Dale and it has been done many times. I'm sure it's soloable with all classes.

[twillight]

You can definitely solo Icewind Dale and it has been done many times. I'm sure it's soloable with all classes.

Then go and solo it with a bard.


@Tomekk

No, it is not some theory, but a measurement (like weight). There is a "theory" based on the CONSEQUENCES of enthropy, but I strongly disagree with that as I said.
Anyway, more on entropy in physics-books, or on wikipedia guys and gals!

[kmonster]

Then go and solo it with a bard.
Has already been done by others. Too easy. Where do you think this character will have trouble ?

[twillight]

Has already been done by others. Too easy. Where do you think this character will have trouble ?

Right at the beggining to start with.

Then I rmemeber a big undead-umbush (some 20 undead all at once, nowhere to run).

Dragon's eye level 4 is also suspicious.

Yxumonei.

Belhifet of course.

And of course anywhere with lots of ranged attackers, or large gorup of monsters in compound space.


PS: I finally finished BG2ToB solo run. Final words on that is in the appropriate topic. Thx.

[kmonster]

Right at the beggining to start with.

Then I rmemeber a big undead-umbush (some 20 undead all at once, nowhere to run).

Dragon's eye level 4 is also suspicious.

Yxumonei.

Belhifet of course.

And of course anywhere with lots of ranged attackers, or large gorup of monsters in compound space.

The beginning is no problem. With a composite bow you can shoot the goblins one by one, with quest and combat XP you can be level 5 with 40 HP before arriving at the cave. There you should be able to kill the orcs if you want, but you only have to see the wagons outside the cave in order to leave for Kuldahar. In Kuldahar pass you can kill the goblins or just run past them to Kuldahar where you can pickpocket powerful items and buy spells and other equipment.

There's no undead ambush you can't run away from.

The prisoners on level 4 are extremely powerful and with all the mage spells you have at that point you should be able to go invisible and survive reappearing behind the high summoner and killing him.

Without HoW the door doesn't close when you meet Yxunomei, so there's plenty of room to outrun and prepare, you can even retreat to level 4 for resting. With HoW you can go to Lonelywood early to collect XP, spells and equipment there, you only need invisibility to get the quests done needed for returning.

Behilfet is doable with all the XP, spells and equipment a high level bard has available.

Ranged attackers don't hit often when you have low AC.

[yoga]

Wow!

But who really are YOU,pls, tell me, Kmonster and twillight?

You show so perfect knowledge of every game (Master also) that only act I can do is to bow to the earth and disappeare in silence.

Mama mia, Capo, do You think these both gentlemen are real human beings or masked as human machines?

I'm totally confused!:)

I forget my morning food, they remember what enemies can meet protagonist in Dragon's Eye level 4?

No. I feel like idiot before these Titans and will back to my f....d project.

OFF
@Tomekk
The first symbol of equation is simple-
just Differential after closed curve.

Anyway if my Q is not rude, would be so kind inform me-
YOU are Hungarian living in Romania or..?
:smile2:
I respect the person wish to be Unknown in Internet
:ph34r:
Yoga is humble Bulgarian- My parents are clear BG also.
Religion - I am Orthodox Christian

IWD - I am novice as You know Hunvagy but think that to play this nice game solo is nothing but masochism.Guten Nacht

[Tomekk]

Stop talking about soloing in a game that's meant to be played by a party! :rant:

@Yoga: Yes, I'm a hungarian living in Romania. :p

[yoga]

Peace, dear Brothers, peace!

We all are GOD children!!

:D

What a mad threat:

Start with IWD, go to Thermodynamics to stop at Who who is..

Relax!

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

Make love
not war..

Q: How to use that bag in IWD?

:smile2:

[Lulu_Jane]

I've removed the little racist and insulting derail we had there. Don't do it again please.

[kmonster]

Q: How to use that bag in IWD?
If you're talking about the "jester's bag of holding":

Put in into a quick item slot, leave the inventory, click at it when the character who has it is selected and a random item will be added into your inventory (make sure you have an empty inventory slot) from it (works only once per day).
After using it it won't be displayed in the in the quick item slot any more, you have to remove it and put it there again before you can click onto it the next time.

[twillight]

I've removed the little racist and insulting derail we had there. Don't do it again please.

There was no racism.
And I bet noone would accept someone voting in their country while not taking the consequences of that voting (aka. not bearing the nationality with all the responsibility in this case).

But as I said it's time to stop this here open.

[yoga]

Hi, old friends,

on the road again..

Please, I am collecting now many books and skulls.

Are they usable or not?
I do not want to carry useless stuff as in Underworld II.
I am a brave knight, not a horse.
Probably in all RPG has to be magical bag for example able to carry 100 items without problem as the car luggage in FO2.

hard working yoga

There is a little light in the tunnel end...
:smile2:

[kmonster]

Orrick asked you for a book about mythals, Evayne's daddy might be interested in what happened to his daughter and in chapter 5 you need a book to learn how to fix something. The other books are useless and can be sold for little money if you happen to be in the Severed Hand or Kuldahar or left behind.

Skulls are useless, "Love is all we need" :D

[yoga]

Orrick asked you for a book about mythals, Evayne's daddy might be interested in what happened to his daughter and in chapter 5 you need a book to learn how to fix something. The other books are useless and can be sold for little money if you happen to be in the Severed Hand or Kuldahar or left behind.

Skulls are useless, "Love is all we need" :D


Plz, kindly ask You
what means the formula
for example

2D4+3

conc. quality of a weapon.

Thanks

[yoga]

The victorious army of the brave just smashed the lich Tarikan.

:smile2:

3 times Hurray!

Once again.

Noch ein mal...

Tremble final boss whoever you are..

The brave is after you.

Viva Las Vegas!!!

[yoga]

Mates,

I cleared all level of Salamanders. I repaired the bridge in question. But
there is a cave after repaired bridge and another located far North-East.

Is the last one interest of me or to process this after bridge?

Following the logic of the game I think the cave after bridge is more important but lazy yog hopes to save a little bit of time after yr competent directions.
:smile2:

There is no in all AB lazies gamer than BG yog.

Believe me I know v. well that person...

I am proud with this feature.
Unless all the people shouting " I am the best, I am the nice" yoga says
Love , love is all we need. :)
No Arbeit und Arbeit and work like gallery slave..

Genug..

---Yoga, do y like this game?

-Absolutely.So bright, with so nice fantasy, so nice buildings and caves - brilliant.

twillight, what game do You prefer more IWD or BG saga?

But I want fair answer as always you do. Ty

Pls do not cry after little confrontation above.
Your bravery, courage and compassion are beyond compare.
Dear Hunvagy, do YOU pass IWD 1&2?
Sure, my Q is stupid, because there is no game You dont know..
What is yr opinion 'bout this game, structure, producer company and so on?

Do You note I do not ask who is the final boss. Because no matter who is, the brave will find it and destroy.

:D

[twillight]

Plz, kindly ask You
what means the formula
for example

2D4+3

conc. quality of a weapon.

Thanks

2D4+3 = throw two foursided dice, then add 3 to the result. In this case the weapon's own damage will be between 5 (=1+1+3) and 11 (=4+4+3).

I much mure like BG then IWD. I think IWD gives a very narrow way, and too streightforward, also in BG has a lot more humour.

[yoga]

2D4+3 = throw two foursided dice, then add 3 to the result. In this case the weapon's own damage will be between 5 (=1+1+3) and 11 (=4+4+3).

I much mure like BG then IWD. I think IWD gives a very narrow way, and too streightforward, also in BG has a lot more humour.

Sposibo, twillight.

Ochen sposibo.
:whistling:

[hunvagy]

As strange as it sounds, no, I didn't finish them. I usually loose interest long before, unless the story really is exceptional. As much as I like the Infinity games, they try my patience, and in every case so far, something borked my saves, and I never had the endurance to start again. Maybe at one point *shrug*

About the games.. the two Icewind Dales show off in a simplified way what AD&D is at core, dungeon crawling. No conspiracies, no overcomplicated story, just good old fashioned monsters, traps and loot. Bioware sadly forgot how to make games like this anymore, and instead decided to bullshit us with interactive novels disguised as crappy games. And the real creative part, Black Isle, is no more. What remains of that team is now Inxile, but even they only put out crap. Yes, I'm looking at you Demon's Forge.

[yoga]

As strange as it sounds, no, I didn't finish them. I usually loose interest long before, unless the story really is exceptional. As much as I like the Infinity games, they try my patience, and in every case so far, something borked my saves, and I never had the endurance to start again. Maybe at one point *shrug*

About the games.. the two Icewind Dales show off in a simplified way what AD&D is at core, dungeon crawling. No conspiracies, no overcomplicated story, just good old fashioned monsters, traps and loot. Bioware sadly forgot how to make games like this anymore, and instead decided to bullshit us with interactive novels disguised as crappy games. And the real creative part, Black Isle, is no more. What remains of that team is now Inxile, but even they only put out crap. Yes, I'm looking at you Demon's Forge.

:smile2:
Igen, nagyon szépen köszönöm, Hunvagy.
(TY v.much).

Absolutely agree with You.
And with well respected your country man the Mage aka twillight.
The story in IWD is very straight just go, monsters and loot.
Till BG saga offers more options, sub quests and like.

Sadly, the old good companies disappeared or the pioneer game spirit is changed to greedy intentions.

That's is so valuable our site AB.

Long life for all stuff and Paco the Great.
:smile2:

[yoga]

Help, pls?

:smile2:

I am closed in Malavon keep.
I finished the Iron Golems and its assistant.
Only Malavon is alive.
But all my magics are exhausted, cant rest and cant leave to sleep, restore and again in.
The door is magically sealed.
Casting Open Door does not work.

So, help me.
Mage, leave BG2 and hurry up with Barbarian.

yog in trouble
:lol:

[kmonster]

You can't leave the building before Malavon is defeated. So either reload your autosave and retry (you can even kill a few umber hulks and leave for resting afterwards as long you don't start the dialogue) or manage to kill Malavon now.
If he's the only one left just give a melee weapon to everyone and hit him until he's gone, you also have the option to wait somewhere until his spell protections run out, you can also loot his lair and use the level 8+9 spell scrolls you find on him.

[twillight]

Yep. Try melee. Boost with potions, wands, and other limited charged items. Maybe it'll work. I know you're able.

[yoga]

Yep. Try melee. Boost with potions, wands, and other limited charged items. Maybe it'll work. I know you're able.

Yes, I did.
Only melee with Malavon is ...hmm.. not so good.
This bastard summoned some spell and my hero ( in this case Paco the bowman) was frozen. Then monster hit with Flesh to Stone and Paco the Great simple vanished.

I used another strategy:
-Again the situation- yoga cleared all place but unwisely ( I dunno that before dialog may rest) enter dialogue then fast return to entrance. As I mentioned I used many of my spells. Fortunately, there were some more in my bags.
Ha ha ha

I sent my Fighter/Mage Hunvagy and Capo the Cleric.
Capo sent some more summoned Skeletons, aber keine result. Malavon very fast killed them. Never mind it used its magical resources wich are not endless.
Then at the scene appeared Hunvagy. Pumped with Shield he summoned Stinking Cloud near to hide under Fog of War magician. It fast move to my commandos and prepared to hit Hunvagy. But he fast move around this way preventing above deadly scenario, Monster used Magical resistance. Nice. I repeated same spell again. It continued to waste its magical resources. Now Hunvagy used Mirror Image and the monster having no more resources was unmovable. Then were used Strength and Skull Bomb. Another was piece of cake.

Q: I found some seeds. Are these items questioned by some Mage in some tower before?

Guten Nacht.

yoga

[kmonster]

A: At the top of one of the towers in the Severed Hand you found some kind of garden and the caretaker asked you to bring seeds and other things to fill this dead area with life again.

[yoga]

A: At the top of one of the towers in the Severed Hand you found some kind of garden and the caretaker asked you to bring seeds and other things to fill this dead area with life again.

Oh, yes, now I remember that man at the top of tower in some strange semi-garden..
Ja, ja..
:smile2:

[yoga]

Last:OK:

[kmonster]

Good luck with the last battle. The evil guy and his helpers are only vulnerable to +3 weapons or better. Arrows of piercing count as +4, most other ammo will be useless, summons won't be able to hurt them either.
Iron golems are immune to magic, get healed by fire and slowed by electricity. The evil guy is resistant but not immune to magic, you have to test for yourself how well which spells work.
Check the potions and other resources you have and distribute them.
The druid's level 6 heal spell can be useful for healing.

When the battle starts immediately pause the game (autopause:enemy sighted might work even better) and cast buffing spells at your characters (haste, emotion:hope or courage, protection from evil 10' or prayer or recitation, .... )

[yoga]

Good luck with the last battle. The evil guy and his helpers are only vulnerable to +3 weapons or better. Arrows of piercing count as +4, most other ammo will be useless, summons won't be able to hurt them either.
Iron golems are immune to magic, get healed by fire and slowed by electricity. The evil guy is resistant but not immune to magic, you have to test for yourself how well which spells work.
Check the potions and other resources you have and distribute them.
The druid's level 6 heal spell can be useful for healing.

When the battle starts immediately pause the game (autopause:enemy sighted might work even better) and cast buffing spells at your characters (haste, emotion:hope or courage, protection from evil 10' or prayer or recitation, .... )


Danke, danke sehr, Kmonster, for the directions.

I am still preparing for last battle now.

The IWD scenario of last battle is very interesting because when protagonist enters the final room, no back, no restore, no help.
Contrary in Dungeon Master, Xeen, Ultima Underword II one may retreat and return with full power.

Tomorrow will be the Day.

:smile2:

[yoga]

Danke, danke sehr, Kmonster, for the directions.

I am still preparing for last battle now.

The IWD scenario of last battle is very interesting because when protagonist enters the final room, no back, no restore, no help.
Contrary in Dungeon Master, Xeen, Ultima Underword II one may retreat and return with full power.

Tomorrow will be the Day.

:smile2:

Rats!!

I dully followed the kind instructions of Kmonster but my 10 attempts was in vain.

After the Ewerald sacrifice I imm. push Space buttom and then summon Haste..
Hmm.. maybe here is my mistake. Nur Haste. OK..

Then I concentrate all 6 commandos on 2 Iron Golems. My best result was 2 dead Golems and 3 alive commandos of the brave .
But this monster is very strong. And the battle is so fast...

I do not like such a " blitz krieg ". I have no time to take a breath.

Will continue..
:(

[kmonster]

It's the final battle, so don't be surprised about the difficulty.
Develop your tactics, don't ignore the details.
You should know where the traps are by now (it's worth enabling trapsearching for the thief and singing for the bard before going down), so you can avoid triggering them and dispelling your buffs.
Check if everyone has the optimal weapon according to his proficiencies, a fighter with no proficiency in axes but 5 stars in maces will be far more effective with a mace+3 than with an axe +4 for example.
Mirror image can offer very powerful protection for your mage and bard.

If a character is close to death you can run away until he's healed by potions or other stuff, as long as this character is chased by the monsters the others have time to cast their spells or do other stuff.

Use the space key often (or enable all autopause options in the configuration) so you can make sure no precious seconds are wasted. While the game is paused you can spend hours thinking and recovering your breath if you wish, I guess you already know that you can give commands to all 6 characters while the game is paused.

The battle is definitely winable, if you tell more details about your party I can give more detailed advice.

[twillight]

Just a hint: cast the buffs BEFORE the battle, and not right after its start!

Also remember you only need ONE person to survive and win - ANY person from your party.

A usefull trick can also be to position your group a little back, and only send 1 character to activate the battle, and immediatelly back away, chasing hopefully only the two golems with you. Then beat them, heal up, save, and finish.

[kmonster]

Buffing before is pointless since the battle starts with "dispel magic". The party is immediately teleported into the middle of the room, so all enemies have to be fought from the beginning.

[yoga]

Details after zwei Minuten.

Bloody battle.

Nightmare.
I have an old version of the game maybe. v1.3.062915

Q:
Do You fight more supporters of Poquelin after the dead of 2 Iron Golems?

I am going crazy!!!

This is the first game I feel so helpless...
:dislike:
No, I do not weeping just said how the brave is now..

[yoga]

Wicky – Pure Fighter
AC-> minus 8
HP – 107
Quick Items → Wand of Sleep, Pemby wand of many missiles, 5 elixirs of Health
W: Short sword+4: Hammer
A: Mithral field plate armor+2
S:Large shield+1,+4vs Missiles
+ 9 potions
Spells – N/A


Scatty – F/Druid
AC-> minus 7
HP – 68
Quick Items → Remove fear, Pr. From Fire, 3 elixirs of Health
W: Life dagger+2
A: Full plate armor+1
S: Large shield+1
+ 10 potions
Spells – lvl 6-28 memo spells, 35 known spells


Capo – F/Cleric
AC-> minus 6
HP – 72
Quick Items → Symbol of pain, Wand of heaven, 2 elixirs of Health
W: Giant Killer with Bullets of fire+2
A: Plate mail armor
S: The Argent shield
+ 7 potions + spell Champion strength, Insect plague and more
Spells – lvl 5-25 memo spells, 47 known spells


Hunvagy – F/Mage
AC-> minus 8
HP – 72
Quick Items → Wand of Armory, Monster Summoning, 5 elixirs of Health
W: The Celebration blade
A: Robe of the watcher + Mithran Cloak
S:The Bitch Queen's Envoy
+ 9 potions + 4 spells
Spells – lvl 7-35 memo spells, 47 known spells


Tomekk – Bard
AC-> minus 1
HP – 79
Quick Items → Bardic horn of Valhala, Owans Lullabye, 4 elixirs of Health
W: War hammer+3:life Giver
A: Lyre of the progression
+ 12 potions + Wand of Lighting
Spells – lvl 7-13 memo spells, 19 known spells


Paco – F/Thief
AC-> minus 9
HP – 85
Quick Items → Oil of speed, Potion of Invisibility, 4 elixirs of Health
W: Conlan hammer
A: Black swam
S:Mystery of the Dead
+ 10 potions + Short bow+1 + 60 acid arrows

[kmonster]

Behilfet is really a skilled demon. He's not only spreading terror in the icewind dale, he's even causing nightmares in Bulgaria. :death:
You only have to defeat the demon, no additional monsters will appear when you slaughter the golems unless he casts a summoning spell, but those monsters are harmless.
You can definitely win the battle. I also have v1.3.062915 currently installed. Since the golems approach early and cast cloudkill which interrupts spellcasting you might want to start with spells with shorter casting time, have your cleric start with "defensive harmony" instead of "recitation".
For the start of the battle I suggest the following:
Pause the game.
bard casts haste
mage casts emotion:courage or emotion:hope
cleric casts defensive harmony
fighter and thief drink the best giant strength potions, the druid also drinks a potion

As soon as the buffs are cast leave the golem cloudkills and flee to gather somewhere else without triggering a trap (you'll have to pause and micromanage for this)

There you can cast other buff or protection spells or drink other potions while waiting for them somewhere outside, when the golems arrive try to kill one fast, then the other. I guess the golems will focus on your mage, but with mirror image and stoneskin he shouldn't have trouble surviving.
Don't bother casting spells at the golems, not even electricity spells work. I'd let the bard sing to improve the others' attack power.

The characters who don't melee can stay away from the others, so a fireball cast by the demon doesn't damage them and interrupt their spells.
When the golems are gone there's only one enemy left. Magic missiles do some damage to the demon, the melf's acid arrow spell always works at him, so do +3 weapons.

A desperate tactic is casting chromatic orbs at the demon. It's possible that he fails his save, gets paralyzed and can be slaughtered fast.
Don't forget that you can enter the inventory while the game is paused, you can even trade stuff.

How many XP does your party leader have ?
What are the characters' weapon proficiencies ?
Do you have other +3 or better weapons in the inventory ?

You won't be able to cause any damage with the life dagger+2 or the bullets of fire +2, you'll need other weapons.
Fire will only heal the enemies in this battle, so put away the wand of heavens and replace all memorized spells which cause fire damage.

[yoga]

How many XP does your party leader have ?
What are the characters' weapon proficiencies ?
Do you have other +3 or better weapons in the inventory ?

You won't be able to cause any damage with the life dagger+2 or the bullets of fire +2, you'll need other weapons.
Fire will only heal the enemies in this battle, so put away the wand of heavens and replace all memorized spells which cause fire damage.

Yes, yes, all Bulgaria is in nightmare because of my trouble.:3:
Gladly in Deutschland alles ist in Ordnung..

A
Wicky XP - 1226 K XP lvl 12
next level - 1250 K XP

Scatty - F/Dr
F -lvl 10
612K
next level 750 K
Dr - lvl 12
612K
next level 750 K

Capo - F/Cl
F - lvl 10
612K
next level 750 K
Cl -lvl 10
612 K
next level 675 K

Hunvagy - F/M
F - lvl 13
1220 000
next level 1 500 000

Tomekk - Bard
lvl 15
1220K
next level 1 320 K

Paco- F/Ti
F - lvl 15
1220 K
next level 1 500 K


A
No, I have no more weapons +3 or +4

Proficients of Wicky
THAC0: 9(%)
Number of attacks:1
Lore: 2
AI script: none

Weapon Proficients:
Bows+++
Crossbows+
Maces++++


Hmmm.. maybe I will reload old save file to reach lvl 13 for the leader and higher levels for other commandos.
And will buy +3,+4 weapons for my company.

[kmonster]

I asked for your party leaders XP and for the characters' weapon proficiencies, not the other way around.
Since XP is shared almost evenly and XP required per level are in the manual, it's sufficient to know only the party leaders XP to know the rest, but you can't conclude the other party members' weapon proficiencies' which are essential for planning.

Are you sure you don't have more +3,+4 or +5 weapons ? Are you aware that the grade of magical enchantment doesn't have to be in the name of the weapon. You should have looted at least 2 +3 daggers from corpses for example (Malavon is one of them).

About 1,226,000 XP per character is quite high for the end battle, your main problem are the weapon proficiencies, without a weapon he's proficient in a fighter is hardly better than a mage.

If you want to reload an earlier save for grinding (the XP cap is 1,800,000) don't overwrite your save before the final battle, maybe you'll want to try again later for a challenge, if you upload your save I'll try it, I'm sure it's possible to finish it.
If you go back make sure you fully explore the frost giant cave and Marketh's Domain.

[yoga]

I asked for your party leaders XP and for the characters' weapon proficiencies, not the other way around.
Since XP is shared almost evenly and XP required per level are in the manual, it's sufficient to know only the party leaders XP to know the rest, but you can't conclude the other party members' weapon proficiencies' which are essential for planning.

Are you sure you don't have more +3,+4 or +5 weapons ? Are you aware that the grade of magical enchantment doesn't have to be in the name of the weapon. You should have looted at least 2 +3 daggers from corpses for example (Malavon is one of them).

About 1,226,000 XP per character is quite high for the end battle, your main problem are the weapon proficiencies, without a weapon he's proficient in a fighter is hardly better than a mage.

If you want to reload an earlier save for grinding (the XP cap is 1,800,000) don't overwrite your save before the final battle, maybe you'll want to try again later for a challenge, if you upload your save I'll try it, I'm sure it's possible to finish it.
If you go back make sure you fully explore the frost giant cave and Marketh's Domain.

:max:
Gut.

I will do complete copy of all my save files, this way avoiding the risk to damage my original saves if any action is wrong.

Guten Morgen..
:rolleyes:

[kmonster]

I don't think backing up your saves is necessary (unless you fear the evil demon will succeed in making you throw your computer out of the window), if you don't overwrite your saves on purpose they should stay there.

[yoga]

I don't think backing up your saves is necessary (unless you fear the evil demon will succeed in making you throw your computer out of the window), if you don't overwrite your saves on purpose they should stay there.

My dear and gnadige Kmonster,

I do have 3 (in words Three (Drei)) Computers.
So the loss of one is nothing for the rich yog.

Can someone give me info for HP, weapons, armors and alike characteristics of my final enemy Poquelin?

BTW, I did some test battles with the monk and saw that after dead of 2 iron golems appeared new supporters - some 4 spirits and maybe Invisible Stalker?

I did a detailed map of main scene and 6 traps on it.

Me?
Traveling, fighting, buying, researching, trying and up my strength and so.
Mainly reading and reading the directions of my gyry day and night.

With simple words - preparing.

--Yoga, what if you do not win the battle with Behilfet aka the monk aka Poquelin?
- Nothing. The Sun will not stop to shine and always there is a new day and new hope.

Even the mighty Kmonster, even,even the Mage, even,even,even Hunvagy, even Paco the Great and more mighty Capo have game which they not passed. T or F?
True of course.

humble brave
:whistling:
:wilco:

[twillight]

Even the mighty Kmonster, even,even the Mage, even,even,even Hunvagy, even Paco the Great and more mighty Capo have game which they not passed. T or F?
True of course.

True, true.

For me mostly because no time to play (currently I watch all 6 years of Lost series:drool:), but for one (Baldies) I fail miserably continuously at a certain point.

[Capo]

(currently I watch all 6 years of Lost series:drool:)

:sick:

[yoga]

:sick:

:smile2:
my first real battle

2 Iron Golems are eliminated already but 4 spirit-like and Invisible Stalker appeared and attacked me.

I am ready to hear the critics.

OFF
Dear Tomekk, who is Alice? (from my Footer)
1000 XP for correct answer. No Google, plz!

[kmonster]

If you can kill the golems and bring the demon down to badly wounded without loosing a character victory isn't far away. Keep trying. Don't forget that you can drink one potion per round and trade equipment without loosing time.

The spirits summoned by the demon usually die on their own from his fireballs. You can of course summon helpers too to keep them busy if you want.

Since your mage can cast level 7 spells now you can just try killing the demon directly with a finger of death, but this wouldn't be an epic victory.

[yoga]

If you can kill the golems and bring the demon down to badly wounded without loosing a character victory isn't far away. Keep trying. Don't forget that you can drink one potion per round and trade equipment without loosing time.

The spirits summoned by the demon usually die on their own from his fireballs. You can of course summon helpers too to keep them busy if you want.

Since your mage can cast level 7 spells now you can just try killing the demon directly with a finger of death, but this wouldn't be an epic victory.

:smile2:
Ja wohl!
(Rodger).

Of course, I need an epic victory.

:)
I will beat this monster to its last breath and then will hang up at the central square of Freiburg im Breisgau.
Then will cut off the head of the monster and suspend to my hall wall and show to my future grandchild saying - Look what a hero was yr young grandad.
Yes, I will do..

:sneaky:

[yoga]

:sick:
No, the victorious army of the brave are beaten still from the mighty Poquelin.

I am little tired to fight 5 days without result with this monster.
I dully observed all directions of nice Kmonster.
Yes, the monster used Summoning spell.

I am badly hurt from some Fire spell that coming from the sky.

..
So I will rest for a while creating IWD2 in other thread.

Bad time for the brave, very bad.
Rats!!
I did my best and the result is just pain and shame.

:(

[twillight]

:sick:
No, the victorious army of the brave are beaten still from the mighty Poquelin.

I am little tired to fight 5 days without result with this monster.
I dully observed all directions of nice Kmonster.
Yes, the monster used Summoning spell.

I am badly hurt from some Fire spell that coming from the sky.

..
So I will rest for a while creating IWD2 in other thread.

Bad time for the brave, very bad.
Rats!!
I did my best and the result is just pain and shame.

:(

Come one yoga! You CAN do it (or you prove I am right, and only top-rolled characters have chance in IWD - the others count you disprove me!). Try only attacking the big, nasty demon - the summons are just distraction.
I don't know if effects from potions can be dispelled, but maybe try start with Potion of Invulnerability + Potion of Heroism on your fighters, while the healers just stand right behind them, and cast Heal (and other healing spells) when needed. The mage should cast Haste on the party for start, and more spells for the rest of the time.
(Of course anyone who has the weapon should attack the demon in the mean time, as potion/spelluseage is only 1 per round.)
Go for the eye Boo!

[yoga]

Come one yoga! You CAN do it (or you prove I am right, and only top-rolled characters have chance in IWD - the others count you disprove me!). Try only attacking the big, nasty demon - the summons are just distraction.
I don't know if effects from potions can be dispelled, but maybe try start with Potion of Invulnerability + Potion of Heroism on your fighters, while the healers just stand right behind them, and cast Heal (and other healing spells) when needed. The mage should cast Haste on the party for start, and more spells for the rest of the time.
(Of course anyone who has the weapon should attack the demon in the mean time, as potion/spelluseage is only 1 per round.)
Go for the eye Boo!

:3:
Dear Mage,

I will do as You direct me.
I promise.
Ty for yr moral support. I need it much.

How are You?
What about yr TV show?
Enjoyed? Nice..
Let Barbarian or Drizzt rest for a while..
Ha ha ha

:D
Again thank You very much for wise help with Footer..

PS: It is true there is Nessy in Balaton lake?

[twillight]

:3:
Dear Mage,

I will do as You direct me.
I promise.
Ty for yr moral support. I need it much.

How are You?
What about yr TV show?
Enjoyed? Nice..
Let Barbarian or Drizzt rest for a while..
Ha ha ha

:D
Again thank You very much for wise help with Footer..

PS: It is true there is Nessy in Balaton lake?

1) I have crowded work.
2) I'm at the 5th disc of the 2nd series.
3) Yep. But maybe at weekend I'll scrap togather that review on Ereshkigal, the barbarianess-shess-esh-ness.
4) We don't have Nessy in Balaton. We're not some USA to steal the yeti and call it BigFoot. We have original man-eating catfishes in Balaton! And Balaton is not a lake, but a sea, please:OK: (It's nickname is "Sea of Karpathians,", "The Hungarian Sea", or even in german it's name is Plattensee.)

[kmonster]

Maybe you should swallow your pride, Yoga, and be content with a sneaky victory instead of an epic one, no one is watching so facts won't keep your bard from waving an epic tale about your heroic battle :whistling:.

Just cast fingers of death and chromatic orbs at the demon and slaughter him when he fails his save and is helpless. :chair:


If you really must have your epic victory now you can reload an earlier save and continue grinding until you have reached the XP Cap at 1,800,000 XP, the proficiency point your fighter gets at level 15 will grant an extra attack per round if used wisely.
If you find a +3 or better mace/morningstar for your fighter (if he is neutral or evil you can just buy one from Conlan in Kuldahar) adding the 5th proficiency point will raise the number of attacks per round from 2.5 to 3.5, if not you can at least put 1 point into the weapon he's going to use in the end battle to double attacks per round from 1 to 2.

[yoga]

Maybe you should swallow your pride, Yoga, and be content with a sneaky victory instead of an epic one, no one is watching so facts won't keep your bard from waving an epic tale about your heroic battle :whistling:.

Just cast fingers of death and chromatic orbs at the demon and slaughter him when he fails his save and is helpless. :chair:


If you really must have your epic victory now you can reload an earlier save and continue grinding until you have reached the XP Cap at 1,800,000 XP, the proficiency point your fighter gets at level 15 will grant an extra attack per round if used wisely.
If you find a +3 or better mace/morningstar for your fighter (if he is neutral or evil you can just buy one from Conlan in Kuldahar) adding the 5th proficiency point will raise the number of attacks per round from 2.5 to 3.5, if not you can at least put 1 point into the weapon he's going to use in the end battle to double attacks per round from 1 to 2.

:3:
@Mage aka twillight

My deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep excuses for my lapsus lingve.
In fact I want to say Balaton Ocean, not lake, not sea..
So sry..

:p


@Kmonster aka Wizard
I want to note that i have spell Finger of Dead but only in status Known. I have not small square to left side to memo this spell.
Hmmm.... your advise to up a little bit my XP to cap of 1 800 000 is good.
Gladly I do keep a safe file just before my last adventure with f....d Poquelin.

So again the brave retreat to up my XP.

BTW, dear Wizard, You still do not answer my Q, conc. what game you was unable to pass/if any/.

Off
Is Autumn nice in yr town?
Here is very, very nice.
The T is not so high, the three's leaves slightly became light yellow.

[kmonster]

Chromatic orbs are sufficient to paralyze the demon, you don't need finger of death.


Here are some things worth checking if you overlooked them:

Did you finally find a scimitar +3 in the frost giant cave and the spear +5 from the fire salamander leader in chapter 6 ?
In the basement of Marketh's domain (where you found Ginafae) did you defeat the 2 fighters and looted their corpses and rooms ?
Did you kill the guards in the watchtower in the first chapter 6 area ? If not you can still do this to get arrows of piercing.
Did you climb down the well in chapter 6 to the hidden city of gnomes ? You can buy useful potions there and the expensive cleric staff Nym sells which casts resurrection might be usable in the end battle for ranged healing.
Did you find all the hidden treasures where the wyvern-like creatures were in in the SE the frost giant cave ? Did you fully explore the little cave in its NE (especially the SW part) where the slaves wanted to flee to ?
It's worth checking the merchants if you accidentally sold a weapon you can use for the final battle.

If you are worried about the golems in the final battle you can use potions of absorbtion to improve AC versus crushing by 10, so they hardly ever hit. If you're worried about fire you can use potions and scrolls for fire protection.
But I prefer fast killing over protecting.

When the demon casts improved invisibility your druid and cleric should have a level 3 spell to make him target-able by spells again.
Vampiric touch seems to be the best level 3 spell for your mage to damage the demon.


Off:
There are many games I played but couldn't finish. I never couldn't get far in Boulder Dash II for example, even at the easiest level, ...

[kmonster]

Here's a way to give the demon the defeat he deserves :mischief::

Equip your fighter/druid with the scimitar+3 frostbrand (if he is less specialized in scimitars than in spears instead you can give the spear +5 to him instead), mithril field plate+2, black wolf talisman and the best other equipment he can wear and fill her inventory with useful potions.
Then change to polar bear, kill or dismiss all other characters and have him rest until healed.

Enter the final area in polar bear form. When the battle starts the bear paws will be dispelled (which is a good thing since you need +3 or better weapons) but you'll still have the 4 attacks per round.

Pause the game, equip the scimitar and drink a potion of speed. Afterwards run towards the left golem (always move without triggering a trap), interrupt for drinking a potion of storm giant strength and attack the golem, with 8 attacks per round and 24 str it will be down within seconds, before it can do anything but breath its cloudkill. Leave the cloud and run away, drinking potions, at the right moment attack the other golem and kill it fast without getting hit, afterwards it's only you and the demon. Face him outside the clouds, when your hitpoints go down below 20 you can run away until you have more hitpoints, you can ignore enemy summons.

Always keep drinking potions, whether you're fighting or running away. Use the space key for pausing when you access the inventory. Other useful potions are: potion of regeneration, potion of power (or heroism if you don't have one) for hitting better, potion of fortitude (18 instead of 9 con will add 4 hitpoints per level), potion of invulnerability (base AC0 instead of 6 and +5 all saves), potion of agility (18 instead of 9 dex will add 4 AC), potion of fire resistance to raise it from 100 to 127 for getting healed by fire, lots of elixirs of health or potions which heal even more HP ...

Unless you make a very unlucky save roll with an enemy hold person spell you'll succeed. It definitely works for a fighter10/druid12.

The mighty demon Behilfet eaten by a lone hungry polar bear.
What an epic failure. :yahoo:

[twillight]

Yep. Do it by cheating instead of a legal, though "easy" way.
An' I don't see why you'd have to kill your party for that.

[yoga]

Yep. Do it by cheating instead of a legal, though "easy" way.
An' I don't see why you'd have to kill your party for that.

Hmm.................
the result of competition
yoga versus IWD1&2 is
0 : 2

I am badly beaten to the moment. Reasons? I am poor gamer with these two games.
To be fair I want to note that there was a moment when I killed Irenicus. Sadly, because of his magics 2 seconds later I was killed also. So I was unable to prove I won.

Moreover my OS under it I play IWD1 damaged.XP Pro. Anyway I was so smart to sent my save files with all directory of the game to save place in my PC. Now I will work to restart the game and continue my ever-last battle with the beast.

..voice from gallery: poor yoga, what if you do not beat Irenicus and/or twins Isair and Madae?
poor yoga: Ha. The life is not over. When even the Wizard (aka Kmonster) had never finished some games then yoga also can have in his list 2 or 3 unfinished games.
Still...
Back to technical problem with IWD1.

ashamed yog

[twillight]

Hmm.................
the result of competition
yoga versus IWD1&2 is
0 : 2

..voice from gallery: poor yoga, what if you do not beat Irenicus and/or twins Isair and Madae?
poor yoga: Ha. The life is not over. When even the Wizard (aka Kmonster) had never finished some games then yoga also can have in his list 2 or 3 unfinished games.
Still...

ashamed yog

yoga, don't feel bad. I knew with non-powergamer party IWD 1 is not possible.
Anyway, as you are at the end of the game(s), you shouldn't leave the game unfinished. If you feel all is lost, cheat and watch the final movie. You deserve it.

[kmonster]

...Irenicus. ...Irenicus...
Maybe you're confusing something, IWD isn't about elfish clowns stripped off their elvenhood, you have to fight something big and powerful at the end, this is the most difficult battle in all games using the infinity engine.
The fact that you're able to kill the demon but not survive it with your party shows that you would have won if you had enabled "max HP at level up" in the options like most players. It's hard to tell where you could do better, if you can upload a save from just before entering the final battle we could take a look.

I knew with non-powergamer party IWD 1 is not possible.
You don't need a powergaming party, I did a no-reload run through IWD and both expansions with a party consisting of 6 of the pregenerated characters and didn't even enable max HP at level up.

[twillight]

You don't need a powergaming party, I did a no-reload run through IWD and both expansions with a party consisting of 6 of the pregenerated characters and didn't even enable max HP at level up.

Ye. Instead powergaming (and being fully legal) you cheated as yourself describes in post at 06-10-2011 04:49 PM.

I prefer powergaming above cheating you know.

[DarthHelmet86]

Here's a way to give the demon the defeat he deserves :mischief::

Equip your fighter/druid with the scimitar+3 frostbrand (if he is less specialized in scimitars than in spears instead you can give the spear +5 to him instead), mithril field plate+2, black wolf talisman and the best other equipment he can wear and fill her inventory with useful potions.
Then change to polar bear, kill or dismiss all other characters and have him rest until healed.

Enter the final area in polar bear form. When the battle starts the bear paws will be dispelled (which is a good thing since you need +3 or better weapons) but you'll still have the 4 attacks per round.

Pause the game, equip the scimitar and drink a potion of speed. Afterwards run towards the left golem (always move without triggering a trap), interrupt for drinking a potion of storm giant strength and attack the golem, with 8 attacks per round and 24 str it will be down within seconds, before it can do anything but breath its cloudkill. Leave the cloud and run away, drinking potions, at the right moment attack the other golem and kill it fast without getting hit, afterwards it's only you and the demon. Face him outside the clouds, when your hitpoints go down below 20 you can run away until you have more hitpoints, you can ignore enemy summons.

Always keep drinking potions, whether you're fighting or running away. Use the space key for pausing when you access the inventory. Other useful potions are: potion of regeneration, potion of power (or heroism if you don't have one) for hitting better, potion of fortitude (18 instead of 9 con will add 4 hitpoints per level), potion of invulnerability (base AC0 instead of 6 and +5 all saves), potion of agility (18 instead of 9 dex will add 4 AC), potion of fire resistance to raise it from 100 to 127 for getting healed by fire, lots of elixirs of health or potions which heal even more HP ...

Unless you make a very unlucky save roll with an enemy hold person spell you'll succeed. It definitely works for a fighter10/druid12.

The mighty demon Behilfet eaten by a lone hungry polar bear.
What an epic failure. :yahoo:

Do you mind telling me what in here is cheating? It's a bit exploitive of the game mechanics but it falls inside the rules of D&D and the games version. In fact I would call it power gaming, or at least meta gaming. It uses knowledge of the fight that the characters just could not have and setting up the character before hand to handle said events but cheating, no.

[yoga]

Do you mind telling me what in here is cheating? It's a bit exploitive of the game mechanics but it falls inside the rules of D&D and the games version. In fact I would call it power gaming, or at least meta gaming. It uses knowledge of the fight that the characters just could not have and setting up the character before hand to handle said events but cheating, no.

Dear Friends in my games,

Thank You for encouraging words. I hardly need these words.
... Well, before 5 minutes I re install and start again IWD, which was damaged after OS XP failure.
As You know I am using 3 OS's at my PC. ME, XP and 7 ultimate 32-bit. When XP damaged I , using 7 was able to save the save files in save place in my HDD.
So, now I have to add only the old single last battle save file in directory mpsave and voilaaa.
The battle will start again.
This way I was forced to add SCSI SPTD driver in my Daemon lite program, because DT devices were 2 and used by 2 disks of IWD2. Now all is OK, yoga will drink coffee and beg GOD for help in the games. My day will be:
1. Battle with Irenicus at least 2 hours.
2. Battle with Isair and his sister Madae 2 hours.
3. 1 hour with Shadow Caster - I beat this demon 20 hours .. What a powerful monster!

Then a handful of rice, sleep and again..
( I hope no new projects will arrive until smashing IR. and his cousins I+M).

stupid and poorest gamer in AB forever

PS: May I v. politely ask a Q: TY.
--What about BG3 and/or IWD3?

:whistling:

[DarthHelmet86]

Baldur's Gate 3 and Icewind Dale 3 do not exist Yoga. And I would expect that they would never be made, or at least not any time soon. Even if they are they would not use the Infinity Engine and would no doubt use a 3D system like Neverwinter Nights and most old school gamers would have a fit.

[yoga]

Baldur's Gate 3 and Icewind Dale 3 do not exist Yoga. And I would expect that they would never be made, or at least not any time soon. Even if they are they would not use the Infinity Engine and would no doubt use a 3D system like Neverwinter Nights and most old school gamers would have a fit.

:D
Thank You, DarthHelmet86,

Sorry for Irenicus,
ha ha ha I am going crazy after so lost battles.
Brother Poquelin or Behilfet is my enemy in IWD1.

Really when I dreaming now every night in my head is real chaos. Pictures from BG1+2, IWD 1+2, Ultima Pagan, UW2 and like are mixed in fantastic mixture so , that I forget who is who and from what game !!
:D

crazy yoga indeed
:3:

[yoga]

I started again IWD successfully.

My dear GOD, support my hand, my sword!!

:D

crazy yoga
:3:

PS: Kmonster, really Poquelin send me 3 Shadows and more helpers to beat me.
Bitte glauben Sie mir

[twillight]

Do you mind telling me what in here is cheating? It's a bit exploitive of the game mechanics but it falls inside the rules of D&D and the games version. In fact I would call it power gaming, or at least meta gaming. It uses knowledge of the fight that the characters just could not have and setting up the character before hand to handle said events but cheating, no.

Exploit of a bug = cheating.

"Enter the final area in polar bear form. When the battle starts the bear paws will be dispelled (which is a good thing since you need +3 or better weapons) but you'll still have the 4 attacks per round." - This is not supposed to happen. Dispelling the paws of a bear is definitly an engine-bug.

[kmonster]

Ye. Instead powergaming (and being fully legal) you cheated as yourself describes in post at 06-10-2011 04:49 PM.
I prefer powergaming above cheating you know.
Reading those posts you could have noticed that I wasn't talking about the no-reload run with the pregenerated characters since there's no pregenerated fighter/druid multiclass, relying on only one character who can get held isn't the right thing to do in a no-reload game anyway.
The only time I used this tactic was when I reloaded the game after completing a no-reload run with a party similar to Yoga's successfully to play around and see if a party member alone can do this too.
The druid in polar bear form (shapeshifting isn't needed to win with this character) was just the most fun way. I suggested it to Yoga because having only one character who can't do much more than running, drinking potions and attacking allows to concentrate and learn the basics of the engine, after such a victory there'll be enough time to try it with a party.

It's strange that you think that IWD is unwinable if you play the the intended way without cheating. There are many normal players who bought and played the game without relying on powergaming advice from the internet, even players with parties weaker than the pregenerated characters have beaten the game.

Not everyone who manages to do things you don't think you can do yourself is cheating.

[kmonster]

PS: Kmonster, really Poquelin send me 3 Shadows and more helpers to beat me.
Bitte glauben Sie mir

How did you get the idea that I didn't believe you in the first place ?
Be happy that Poquelin doesn't cry for his mommy instead, those pathetic shadows should be no match for your party and will be burnt by him soon.:p

If his helpers come out of the monitor in order to beat you instead just take your turbo plasma rifle out of the closet and send them back, if you're a pacifist just call for your cat which will be grateful for this demon meal. :kitty:

[DarthHelmet86]

Abusing a bug in the engine would be cheating you are right. Dropping the shapeshift form that tactic is still viable, though with less attacks each round it would be riskier but with the right buffs beforehand that wouldn't matter.

All of the Infinity Engine games can be beaten by an average player with an average party. You will no doubt die a lot and need to reload a few times, and would be using knowledge from those fails to help you beat some of the harder bosses but it is possible. Power gaming just isn't needed so stick to it Yoga and keep on trying and you will beat anything the game puts in front of you.

[yoga]

Abusing a bug in the engine would be cheating you are right. Dropping the shapeshift form that tactic is still viable, though with less attacks each round it would be riskier but with the right buffs beforehand that wouldn't matter.

All of the Infinity Engine games can be beaten by an average player with an average party. You will no doubt die a lot and need to reload a few times, and would be using knowledge from those fails to help you beat some of the harder bosses but it is possible. Power gaming just isn't needed so stick to it Yoga and keep on trying and you will beat anything the game puts in front of you.

:)
Thank You for good words and encouraging me, dear and kind DarthHelmet86!

I greatly appreciate yr help.

I will do my best but now You see that I am mercilessly beaten from Brother Poquelin and his cousins the twins Isair and Madae.
Still...

@Kmonster
Excuse me, for my big delay to present You my heroes.
I promise to post the 6 characters, of course after Champion Legue football matches in GB today. You know - the fruit harvest, election, projects and so weiter.

yoga -
the poorest gamer ever seen in AB and all the world
:smile2:

[yoga]

:3::3::3:

Yes,
the victorious brave army just killed Brother Poquelin aka Behilfet.
The battle was lurid.
I lost one hero. But I used to re boost and heal my all remaining heroes as You will see at the enclosed picture to prove my success.
First words of the speaking artist after death of the monster were
Defeated at last! and the last words were -Yes,Yes.
:D

--So what now, brave yoga?

-Now yoga will drink the best yoga wine and like 2 days and nights. Stop of the gaming with IWD2 and Shadow Caster.

Oh, pls, do not ask me how and with which magics, potions and so I killed the monster.
I will say only that I copied and printed the tips of my guru - the pride of Germany - Herr Kmonster.
To be fair I want to declare that 4 men detain me in AB in my hard days with Clouds of Xeen and after these days:
The great Paco - In these days Paco was not the Big Boss.:headslap:
The clever Master - aka nice Scatty
The jolly Capo
and the wise Wizard aka kind Kmonster

Allow me to said Ty in their native langs.

Danke sehr Paco and Kmonster
Grazie Caro Capo.
Thank You Scatty.

And TY of all other men who were so helpful.

THANK YOU AB!!
:hello:

Later I will post detailed explanation of my game.

@Capo

Caro Capo, I finished IWD.
Very politely: Did You finished Betrayal at Krondor?
:D
Very hard? Nein, No, He.
I was 5 years old when finished this nice game. I repeat: The only bad moment was when some fat men grow up from the earth.

The very, very lucky yoga the brave.
:D:D:D

[kmonster]

Well done, Yoga :2thumbs:. I knew you could make it. Not many players have beaten the game on their first attempt without max HP at level up enabled.

Here's your well deserved price :1stplace: and beer :beer: .

[DarthHelmet86]

Congratulations Yoga, as I said if you stick with it there is nothing this game can bring that you can't beat.

[yoga]

Congratulations Yoga, as I said if you stick with it there is nothing this game can bring that you can't beat.

:smile2:
THANK YOU, mates.

YOU very kind.

Now after little rest I will concentrate to cousins Isair and Madae.

The bad moment is that after IWD2 and Shadow Caster practically I have no future games to play.

But this case will be discussed after a while.

Have a good time as yoga the brave has.

:whistling:

[Capo]

@Capo

Caro Capo, I finished IWD.
Very politely: Did You finished Betrayal at Krondor?
:D
Very hard? Nein, No, He.
I was 5 years old when finished this nice game. I repeat: The only bad moment was when some fat men grow up from the earth.

The very, very lucky yoga the brave.
:D:D:D

Was about time :perv:

Betrayal at Krondor is crap :sucks:
How a 5 years old can finish any computer game is a mystery to me.

[twillight]

How a 5 years old can finish any computer game is a mystery to me.

A 5 year old cleaned the floor with me when I was 15 in Mortal Kombat 2 and 3, and could win the game in hard mode while me at easy at best.
Those little buggers had joystick in place of their brain.

[yoga]

A 5 year old cleaned the floor with me when I was 15 in Mortal Kombat 2 and 3, and could win the game in hard mode while me at easy at best.
Those little buggers had joystick in place of their brain.

:smile2:
AS always the Mage aka twillight is correct.
The new generation is PC generation.

(Dear Capo, I am joking, Y'now :smile2:.
Never yoga will offend You).
But... this is my opinion only - BAK is my first favorite game of RPG genre.

I am still feast the night away.
My last victory.
Defeat of brother Poquelin.
......
Bards will sing ode for that Yoga the Great and brave, stone-cutters will immortalize this Great Victory for future generations.

Now seriously:
IWD was hard game. very.
I battle more than 3 months until reach the end.

:3:

[Capo]

A 5 year old cleaned the floor with me when I was 15 in Mortal Kombat 2 and 3, and could win the game in hard mode while me at easy at best.
Those little buggers had joystick in place of their brain.

At 5 i wasnt even able to read my own language, bulgarian kid have to be very smart :perv:


But... this is my opinion only - BAK is my first favorite game of RPG genre.



Probably because you played it with your parent when you were young, so you have a very good memory of it :OK:

[yoga]

At 5 i wasnt even able to read my own language, bulgarian kid have to be very smart :perv:



Probably because you played it with your parent when you were young, so you have a very good memory of it :OK:

:hihihi:
Ha ha ha

Very nice answer indeed.

You very witty, amigo.

:whistling:

OFF:
PS: Viva Italy!!
Down with Juventus!!
They beat us again, bastards!
:palm:

[Capo]

Down with Juventus!!
They beat us again, bastards!
:palm:

Finally we are first in the championship mate :2thumbs:

[yoga]

Finally we are first in the championship mate :2thumbs:

:bleh1:

OFF

Miracle, miracle:
My small cat speaks to me at Italian lang. She-cat says:
-Tu sei pazzo!
yog - Am I crazy! Why?
- Because you are Lazio fan.

Silence.
..The curtain drops.

Real phantasmagoria, real.

:hihihi:

Bob Dylan sings in one song:
..The times there are changin... Caro amigo..
:p

PS: In my country the 5 years old children are smart as 20 years Italians.
..and even cats speaks Italian lang. Yes, they really do.

Bulgaria uber alles forever.
ha ha ha
:whistling: