PDA

View Full Version : There Has To Be A Better Way To Review Games...


einherjar
20-01-2005, 02:19 PM
I started reviewing games some time ago, and in order to get access to games that needed to be reviewed, I had to email Kosta for them. After every game I finished reviewing, I would send in the review and screenshots to Kosta via email, and request another game at the same time. The most recent game that I reviewed took me seven days to receive. I had the game review submitted in two days, and it still hasn't been updated to the site. Someone sent me a private message two days ago and complained to me that he wanted to review that game instead.

I understand that Kosta is busy quite often and can't spend all day receiving email and sending games. However, I found today that people are getting games to review faster than me by something known as "FTP." Now, I have very little knowledge of computers, and I have no idea how to run SmartFTP, even after perusing the manual.

Now, I don't write reviews for abandonia for the status and/or benefits that it brings. I decided to write reviews for abandonia to keep my writing ability in shape, and because abandonia needed people to write reviews for them. I find it frustrating, however, when I have to wait so long to get a game to review, while some other people pump out poorly written reviews (no names). There has to be a better way of reviewing.

The Niles
20-01-2005, 02:22 PM
You do not need smartftp or any other ftp program to acces our ftp. You can use internet explorer for that.

einherjar
20-01-2005, 02:23 PM
Internet Explorer is no good if I don't know how to use it for that. Some of us aren't tech nerds.

The Niles
20-01-2005, 02:24 PM
And you don't need to be. You get a link you simply copy past into IE and the game starts downloading.

einherjar
20-01-2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by The Picard@Jan 20 2005, 10:24 AM
And you don't need to be. You get a link you simply copy past into IE and the game starts downloading.
That's what I have been doing, but I have to wait for the link to be sent to me first.

The Niles
20-01-2005, 02:27 PM
That is true and will remain true for everyone who does not have acces to the server.

wormpaul
20-01-2005, 02:28 PM
Funny when complaining about a week..

A review of mine is already waiting for more then 3 months :angel:

einherjar
20-01-2005, 02:29 PM
It shouldn't have to be that way, though...

The Fifth Horseman
20-01-2005, 02:41 PM
Windows / Total Commander's built-in FTP interface works wonders, try that one.

I think Kosta told you what are the server passwords?

Astral
20-01-2005, 02:49 PM
First it was difficult for me to, i didn't know anything what to do.... But when i try to doit myself i :D now looking how easy it was and i could do it alone without being a pain in the :angel:

Sorry and thanks Nail's, FF, for help :kosta:

einherjar
20-01-2005, 02:51 PM
Don't patronize me, Astral. I don't ask for help because it inconveniences people.

Maikel
20-01-2005, 03:08 PM
Ok you pinpointed a problem here. You got a solution also?

Eagle of Fire
20-01-2005, 03:08 PM
You seems to have a strange way of thinking einherjar. I'm MOD of the troubleshooting section, I like to help people when I can. If you have trouble about something, just ask and we'll answer you. It will hopefully answer your question and you won't need to ramble about it on and on, I beleives it's a win-win situation...

einherjar
20-01-2005, 03:09 PM
No, Maikel. That's why I made this thread.

Edit: As far as troubleshooting goes, I don't like using the forum to troubleshoot games that I am having trouble with if they are games that are not on the site already. With FTP servers, Kosta asked me if I knew how to run an FTP program, and I told him I didn't. Since then, I've been using email for reviews.

Reup
20-01-2005, 03:14 PM
Running the requests through either Kosta or Tom seems to me the only way to keep things organised (update the Games that need...-trhead) so people don't start on the same review. If you donwload it from FTP it'll still be there and anyone else could download it and start as well. If however the people maintaining this thread (i.e. Kosta) are up to their necks in work than things start get awkward...
As for the time it takes for a game to appear on the site: As there's only one update a day (i.e. one game per day) there could be a cue. This is imho good and will compensate for the time that there isn't this much activity. Anyway... it needs to be a bit more structured indeed. Maybe Kosta needs to pick out a few more luitenants to aid him!

"With a great site comes great responsibility" as Uncle Ben would say to Spiderman (who is of courde also a webmaster)... Pardom the lame joke ;)

wormpaul
20-01-2005, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Reup@Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
the people maintaining this thread (i.e. Kosta) are up to their necks in work than things start get awkward...
As for the time it takes for a game to appear on the site: As there's only one update a day (i.e. one game per day) there could be a cue. This is imho good and will compensate for the time that there isn't this much activity. Anyway... it needs to be a bit more structured indeed. Maybe Kosta needs to pick out a few more luitenants to aid him!


Hmm..

Even more people???

We already has 8 admins and 4/5 moderators..

When making too crowdy you will have to discuss to many :not_ok:

Maikel
20-01-2005, 06:52 PM
Patience is a virtue :whistle:

Unknown Hero
20-01-2005, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by wormpaul+Jan 20 2005, 08:20 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (wormpaul @ Jan 20 2005, 08:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Reup@Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
the people maintaining this thread (i.e. Kosta) are up to their necks in work than things start get awkward...
As for the time it takes for a game to appear on the site: As there's only one update a day (i.e. one game per day) there could be a cue. This is imho good and will compensate for the time that there isn't this much activity. Anyway... it needs to be a bit more structured indeed. Maybe Kosta needs to pick out a few more luitenants to aid him!


Hmm..

Even more people???

We already has 8 admins and 4/5 moderators..

When making too crowdy you will have to discuss to many :not_ok: [/b][/quote]
I already asked Kosta if I can be Admin/Mod, but he turned me down! :not_ok:

About FTP, I don't know why Kosta didn't give you direct link so that you can download a game directly from out server? :blink:

PS you can also download some of the games from HOTU (http://www.the-underdogs.org/) and review them (I did this many times). :ok:

Squalidangel
21-01-2005, 04:31 AM
I really don't want to carry this thread on, but I am the girl who has a question for every game I download and I had no problem with the Smartftp program. One look once it was downloaded and it was more self explanatory than opening a game. I was scared when Wendy told me I could benefit from using it. I thought...No that sounds hard. If I did it anyone can. :ok:

The Fifth Horseman
21-01-2005, 07:41 AM
Einherjar, you should have told him you'll try to learn how to use one...
I use only the built-in FTP client of Total Commander file manager (which I prefer over the standard Windows file manager by tenfold - something with it reminding me of Norton Commander of olde), and it's dirt simple. At first I had a little issues with setting up the connection, but once it is set, you will never have to set it all over again.
When I was going to upload the review for Castlevania, I had zero experience with FTP clients and their configuration. Not that now I am really that much smarter. But since a total m*ron like me managed to do that, you should be able to as well.

FreeFreddy
21-01-2005, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by wormpaul@Jan 20 2005, 08:20 PM
Hmm..

Even more people???

We already has 8 admins and 4/5 moderators..

When making too crowdy you will have to discuss to many :not_ok:
Actually, there're only 7 admins... kkrauth is just a backup for Kosta in case of emergency. ;)

Maikel
21-01-2005, 12:50 PM
Kosta Krauth :)

Kosta
21-01-2005, 05:07 PM
Yes, that would be me. Einherjar, which review of yours is waiting to be added for 3 weeks? I seem to have lost track of it... and which game did it take weeks to receive? I don't read PMs every day, but I do answer them every 2-3 days so I find it pretty impossible that I haven't answered for weeks as you put it. And also, adding a game takes time too, so I can't add 10 games per day because that would take an entire day. We try to do it every day, but since Wendy and myself are only updaters at the moment, its pretty dificult to keep everything running in tip-top shape. I admit that I don't have enough workforce, so if you would be willing to take up the task of organizing reviews, and moving completed ones to appropriate locations, I would be more than happy to assign this to you :D

Rogue
21-01-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by einherjar@Jan 20 2005, 11:09 AM
No, Maikel. That's why I made this thread.

Edit: As far as troubleshooting goes, I don't like using the forum to troubleshoot games that I am having trouble with if they are games that are not on the site already. With FTP servers, Kosta asked me if I knew how to run an FTP program, and I told him I didn't. Since then, I've been using email for reviews.
I would like to know if this is a problem. Why not help with any games, why just try to help with games that are already on the site.

einherjar
21-01-2005, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Kosta@Jan 21 2005, 01:07 PM
Yes, that would be me. Einherjar, which review of yours is waiting to be added for 3 weeks? I seem to have lost track of it... and which game did it take weeks to receive? I don't read PMs every day, but I do answer them every 2-3 days so I find it pretty impossible that I haven't answered for weeks as you put it. And also, adding a game takes time too, so I can't add 10 games per day because that would take an entire day. We try to do it every day, but since Wendy and myself are only updaters at the moment, its pretty dificult to keep everything running in tip-top shape. I admit that I don't have enough workforce, so if you would be willing to take up the task of organizing reviews, and moving completed ones to appropriate locations, I would be more than happy to assign this to you :D
My whole frustration came with the dependence of email to gain access to games to review. The most recent game I reviewed took the longest because of a problem you had with your email that prevented you from receiving my request. I waited a week before contacting you again. After this, I finished and submitted my review along with screenshots and a request for another game.

After I submitted the review, I was contacted by an irate reviewer who wanted me to "share notes" with him on the review (I work alone, of course) because he really wanted to review the game instead. I then suspected that people were getting games faster than I.

I'm not mad at anyone for this, and I don't care how soon my reviews are posted. I don't review for gratification, rewards, status, or recognition. Abandonia needed reviewers, and I wanted writing practice.

The only purpose for this thread was a request for a more efficient way of receiving games to review. As I said before, I understand that those who run the site are often really busy (which is why I never email for help). I, however, see that there is an advantage for people who don't need spend most of their time on the computer trying to figure out things. I barely know how to run Windows, let alone run an FTP server or whatever FTP does.

I'm not mad at anyone for any reason, and I didn't start this thread to argue.

Kosta
21-01-2005, 10:04 PM
Well, I'm not trying to argue, I'm just open to suggestions. This is the best I could come up with. If we had people running this, perhaps it would be more organized, however I'm pretty certain I didn't hand out a same game to two people. And you still haven't told me which game and review you are talking about....

ReamusLQ
21-01-2005, 10:24 PM
just a thought, but I know we have a thread that says "Games needing review" and people have signed up to review them and stuff, and maybe I'm just not very observant, but it doesn't ever seem like that list is ever updated or anything like that. A possible solution? Maybe have a section (not on the forum) with all the games needing a review, and people could volunteer themselves to review it by entering their username into a little box next to the game title, and then the list would change saying "This person is doing this one" so that multiple people are not reviewing the same game. This also seems like it would be easier to update (in my oppinion.) Just a thought. Good? Bad? Should I prepare myself for the chopping block? :butcher:

Kosta
21-01-2005, 10:27 PM
Well, your idea is swell, but how would we know that its not being misused. Someone signing up for a review as someone else, or just for fun without intending to actually review it. And as for the Games that need reviews topic, its updated every few days...

einherjar
22-01-2005, 01:50 AM
The game was Ancient Land of Ys. Apparently the person who complained to me used FTP to get it.

mika
22-01-2005, 05:18 AM
One possibility is that he got it from some other Abandonware site.

I don't think we need to get to point of adding 10 games a day to the site anyway, 1 or 2 a day is plenty - it gives people something to look forward to and doesn't promote the site as a plain 'download' site.

I like the idea of a review management section which I actually proposed a while back (see here (http://www.abandonia.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=918&hl=)). It could work but we'd have to think about it quite a bit. I would love to program it but it might take me a little while as I'm still bogged down by work these days. Kosta, what you think - should we maybe start a discussion on this?

Reup
22-01-2005, 09:16 AM
The 'irate' reviewer was me. And I didn't get if from FTP, but without awaiting reply from Kosta, I downloaded it from HOTU (I think). Off course, that way it was entirely my fault I spent time reviewing a game, since I didn't use the proper channels. So your suggestion of structurizing the lot is a good one. If the response time goes down, the chances of something like this happening are slim to none.