Xbox Or Ps2? [Archive]

The Niles

20-01-2005, 12:09 PM

Both can play DVD's and both cannot do so straight out of the box. You will need to buy extansions for both consoles. X-Box is technically the superiour console but it is the games that matter the most. Playstation2 has more titles and some better ones on budget I think (not that into consoles). Given the choice I would go for the Playstation2 I think although one of the only console games I would want to play is for the X-Box (MechAssault).

Eagle of Fire

20-01-2005, 12:15 PM

Well, it is well known that PS2 games are mainly one player and GameCube games are mainly multiplayer. However, I have no idea about Xbox.

If you plan to play alone often then a PS2 is probably fine. But if you want to play a lot with your friends, don't take one. You'll be disapointed unless your group is the pen&paper style who like to watch someone playing RPG or the like...

xoopx

20-01-2005, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by The Picard@Jan 20 2005, 01:09 PM
Both can play DVD's and both cannot do so straight out of the box. You will need to buy extansions for both consoles.
i dont think ps2 needs anything extra to play dvds

Eagle of Fire

20-01-2005, 01:59 PM

I've heard from my brother that a PS2 is a crappy DVD reader anyways. Often, as he experienced with one of his friend who own the PS2, the reading eye get out of sync and you then can't use any of the PS2 games until it "fixes itself".

Since they discovered that, that friend simply bought a dirty cheap DVD player instead (around 20-30$ at Wallmart? How cheap can they be :blink: ) and they only use their PS2 to play PS2 games...

Havell

20-01-2005, 02:04 PM

It's the games that make a console so I would opt for the PS2, Xbox may be technically superior but there isn't really that much between them.

The Niles

20-01-2005, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by xoopx@Jan 20 2005, 02:51 PM
i dont think ps2 needs anything extra to play dvds
I don't have personal experience with it but from what I gather you need to buy a special remote control for it (50-60 Euro) to be able to play the DVD's.

Rogue

20-01-2005, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 20 2005, 08:15 AM
Well, it is well known that PS2 games are mainly one player and GameCube games are mainly multiplayer. However, I have no idea about Xbox.

If you plan to play alone often then a PS2 is probably fine. But if you want to play a lot with your friends, don't take one. You'll be disapointed unless your group is the pen&paper style who like to watch someone playing RPG or the like...

I've believed it is other way around.

GameCube has no multiplayer options, if I'm correct. Both PS2 and X-Box have it.

I own PS2, and I used to have XBox too (will get it again). PS2 is back compatible with PS1/PSX, so you can play all of them too.

Picard,
as far as I know, you don't need any extension to play DVDs on either of them. Only if you don't like to use your game pad as remote control, you can get wireless remote controller.

The Niles

20-01-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Anubis@Jan 20 2005, 03:10 PM
Picard,
as far as I know, you don't need any extension to play DVDs on either of them. Only if you don't like to use your game pad as remote control, you can get wireless remote controller.
Ahh well okay. Not like I can speak from personal knowledge here.

Havell

20-01-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Anubis@Jan 20 2005, 03:10 PM
GameCube has no multiplayer options, if I'm correct.
Nope, I was at a party a couple of weeks ago, one of my friends brought his Gamecube and most of the games he had were good multiplayer ones.

Rogue

20-01-2005, 02:24 PM

@ picard - there are some chop mods to be able to watch different regions DVD, but that's another story

@ Havell - my bad. Multiplayer for me is not 2-4 people playing game on the same console. I was thinking of multiplayer over the net. I have network adapter on my PS2, and XBox comes with one. You can play games online.

There is a lot of 2 player games for PS2/XBox too.

GameCube is only good if you like to play mario/metroid/zelda games, as you can play them only on GameCube.

I never moded any of my consoles, but now I am considering to mode PS2 to be able to play emulators on it. (SNES & Genesis)

Havell

20-01-2005, 02:26 PM

Fair enough then, Gamecube cannot play over the internet but consoles in general aren't really adapted for internet play.

Reup

20-01-2005, 02:26 PM

Well I checked ebay and there's definetely more PS2 games around (5 times as many as XBOX) so that is a good pro for the ps2. I already have a DVD-player so that's not really gonna win me over. The MODding of an XBox could be nice, after all, a DOSBOx console would be great, but then again... aaarghh... I've got to sleep a bit on this one...

Rogue

20-01-2005, 02:29 PM

@Hawell - That's changing since Sega Dreamcast was out.

Today a lot of people are buying consoles just for this purpose. It's much better, as it's much harder to cheat in game. Even handheld consoles have multiplayer today (you can connect 2 GBA/GBA SP or now up to 16NDS).

@reup - I never moded console, and I heard positive and negative stories. BUt just the other day I heard of easy way to mode PS2, but only old model. Mod is 2 times more expensive then regular mod chips, but most important there is no need to weld any wire in console. All you have to do is to place mod in proper location and it should work.

XBox comes with 9Gb harddisk. Moded XBox can store more, and some people replaced DVD with DVD-R and made XBox in to DVD recorder.

The Niles

20-01-2005, 02:33 PM

I woudln't say console multiplaying is much better. It might be harder to cheat in games (which is admittedly a good thing) but there are many more aspects to multiplaying. How easy it is to control for instance. What kind of lag times there are. How many people can fit on a server. And of course the quality of the games themselves.

Rogue

20-01-2005, 02:43 PM

You right. That's more personal preference...

I prefer more to play console games, as I don't have to care about hardware compatibility. Like my PS2 gamepad and like more to play in living room then in computer room.

Same applly to multiplayer.

Fawfulhasfury

20-01-2005, 02:46 PM

Gamecube. :sneaky:

xoopx

20-01-2005, 03:16 PM

yeah the ps2 uses the controller.. and it IS terrible at dvd playback. i agree that getting a cheap dvd player is a better idea whichever console you had.

JJXB

20-01-2005, 03:23 PM

xbox. i think the ps2 sucks monkey nuts (most of its exclusives are crap but the xbox has few exclusives but they rock!)

Zachai

20-01-2005, 07:25 PM

For DVDs, ps2 can play them with just a controller, XBox needs a special DVD remote for them.

Multiplayer: ps2 network is free (I beleive), XBox uses a subscription service to play online.

Xbox is the more powerful of the two but with less games. But I would rather have a few good games than a bunch of crappy ones.

I personally own an XBox and I love it, I actually got rid of my ps2 and got the XBox.

Reup

21-01-2005, 07:12 AM

Thanks everonye for the info so far. I'm still not sure which to pick, but your first-hand experiences shed some light the differences! I'll decide after the weekend :)

The Niles

21-01-2005, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by Reup@Jan 21 2005, 08:12 AM
Thanks everonye for the info so far. I'm still not sure which to pick, but your first-hand experiences shed some light the differences! I'll decide after the weekend :)
LOL, which doesn't mean me. :max:

Reup

21-01-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by The Picard@Jan 21 2005, 10:50 AM
LOL, which doesn't mean me. :max:
No prob. You were never OT now where you :) Any input is appreciated since i was completely clueless :)

SixApes

27-01-2005, 10:52 PM

Get an XBox. Not only can you play XBox titles, but with the proper ISO, you can burn a fully functional Linux for XBox. The X-box has great hardware specs;

CPU: Intel Pentium III 733-MHz processor technology with streaming SIMD extensions
Graphics processor: 233-MHz, custom-designed X-Chip, developed by Microsoft and Nvidia
Total memory: 64MB of RAM (unified memory architecture)
Memory bandwidth: 6.4GB/second
Polygon performance: 150M/sec
Sustained polygon performance (full features): 100M/sec
Particle performance: 150M/sec
Simultaneous textures: 4
Pixel fill rate, no textures: 4.8 G/sec (anti-aliased)
Pixel fill rate, one texture: 4.8 G/sec (anti-aliased)
Pixel fill rate, two textures: 4.8 G/sec (anti-aliased)
Compressed textures: Yes (6:1)
Full scene anti-alias: Yes
Storage medium: 2X to 5X DVD, 8GB hard disk
I/O: Four game controller ports, Ethernet (10/100)
Audio channels: 256, AC3 encoded game audio
3D audio support: Yes
Midi/DLS2 support: Yes
Broadband enabled: Yes
Modem enabled: No
DVD movie playback: Yes
Gamepad included: Yes
Maximum resolution: 1920x1080
Maximum resolution (2x32bpp frame buffers + Z): 1920x1080
HDTV support: Yes

As you can see, the xbox makes a excellent PC. There is no need for a mod chip or opening the case. I had my XBox running Doom3 using Cedega(wineX). It ran the game faster than my desktop PC. Good luck making your choice.

Reup

28-01-2005, 08:59 AM

Thanks for the info SixApes.

I got an XBOX after all, but sold it to my brother :) I needed the cash, he 'needed' the XBOX. Thanks again everybody for the input, but I'll stick to DOSBox for a while :)

Maikel

28-01-2005, 09:10 AM

A friend of mine studied his X-box. Then Added a 160gb harddisk in it. pumped up the circuits and stuff, made some alterations to it...and now plays Sega 16-bit games on his xbox and has all of his X-box titles on the harddisk, greatly improving loading times :D

Pimp my X-box :D

Reup

28-01-2005, 09:33 AM

But I allready have a 16-bit SEGA :) As well as NES, SNES and an N64. What I'm really hoping to buy some day is a Vectrex!!!

xcom freak

29-01-2005, 04:58 AM

Have both
played more than anyone could ever imagine both
had every single game (a game in my country is 5 $)
And i say :
Go for Ps2 the final fantasy series + koei games (romance of the three kingdoms)
are really worth it if u don't like these titles and prefer sports or simulation
guess what : still ps2 is better coz : ace combat + pro evo

ps2 is more practical its smaller lighter even the controllers are betterly designed
and they even released a smaller lighter version of it

Sn0w

31-01-2005, 08:44 AM

LOL no matter where I go there is a Ps2 vs xbox thread...people make there suggestions on what console is better give there reasons blah blah blah...really its all personal preference I can only tell you about my experiences with both consoles

I have had great experience with both consoles

Xbox and its awsome online play (optimized servers go a long way to making online play FUN)
Ps2 tend to have alot of server trouble,bootings, and more lag then Xbox......

but ps2 has 1 game title that makes me keep it and ALL of its addons (old style ps2)
Socom 2 (those dumbasses made the ps2 thin and did not even get considerate enough to put a hd in it duhhhhhhhh we know whos greedy now)

there are other games that are great that are online some ea sports games (always good).......but really ps2 single player games are better

xbox does not have many titles but what it lacks here it makes up for in fanservice (its more for a mature audience)

anyways I dunno...I cant decide on either so I just bought them both

Ferna182

02-02-2005, 03:37 AM

PLAYSTATION 2 !!!!

JJXB

02-02-2005, 04:11 AM

BLOWS!!
sorry about that, i just can't help it when the bait is there sometimes :P

Titan

02-02-2005, 04:45 AM

I had the same dilemma when i was going to get one also...
i know you've allready decided, but anyway ;)

I went for the Xbox.. all day..
First of all, the huge downside with PS2, is only 2 (!!!) controlers.. ffs, most ppl tend to have more then 1 friend........ *duh*

Also, i like the brute force that xbox emits.. it's just.... sooo good ;)

ultranewbie

09-02-2005, 09:35 AM

PS2 has much better games, xbox is newer and faster which means it will come to have better games.

Mardi-Gras

09-02-2005, 10:33 AM

Hands down, the PS2. Then get yourself a copy of 'Timesplitters 2', the Grand Theft games, Hitman 2 (not 3) and Ghost Recon (not Recon 2). Then retire. Because you'll need the time.

As an aside, while the PS2 does support on-line game play, there's quite a number of games that are great to play against your mates in the same room. Friend of mine really miproved my gaming life with the invention of a device he calls 'Cardboard™', used here with permission. Basically, selloptape a piece of thick paper down the centre of your telly, then sit at either side of it, and, 'presto', the sensation of link-up play on a single telly.

He's since developed 'Cardboard™2', which straps to the telly and gives the same effect for those games that split vertically across the telly.

Um... This'd work equally well with an X-Box, granted, but the game support for the PS2 is just leagues better.

JJXB

09-02-2005, 10:49 AM

ps2 blows. port devil may cry 1/2/3 to the xbox and i'd have no reason to like the ps2 :P

xoopx

09-02-2005, 12:41 PM

definately a vectrex

Rogue

09-02-2005, 12:41 PM

PlayStation 3 chip

Details of the chip designed to power Sony's PlayStation 3 console will be released in San Francisco on Monday. Sony, IBM and Toshiba, who have been working on the Cell processor for three years, will unveil the chip at a technology conference.

The chip is reported to be up to 10 times faster than current processors. It is being designed for use in graphics workstations, the new PlayStation console, and has been described as a supercomputer on a chip.

Sony has said the Cell processor could be used to bridge the gap between movies and video games. Special effects and graphics designed for films could be ported for use directly in a video game, Sony told an audience at the E3 exhibition in Los Angeles last year.

Cell could also be marketed as an ideal technology for televisions and supercomputers, and everything in between, said Kevin Krewell, the editor in chief of Microprocessor Report. The chip will be made of several different processing cores that work on tasks together.

The PlayStation 3 is expected in 2006 but developers are expecting to get prototypes early next year to tune games that will appear on it at launch. Details of the chip will be released at the International Solid State Circuits Conference in San Francisco.

Some details have already emerged, however. When put inside powerful computer servers, the Cell consortium expects it to be capable of handling 16 trillion floating point operations, or calculations, every second, if multiple Cell chips were used together.

The chip has also been refined to be able to handle the detailed graphics common in games and the data demands of films and broadband media. IBM said it would start producing the chip in early 2005 at manufacturing plants in the US. The first machines off the line using the Cell processor will be computer workstations and servers.

A working version of the PS3 is due to be shown off in May 2005 but a full launch of the next generation console is not expected to start until 2006. "In the future, all forms of digital content will be converged and fused onto the broadband network," said Ken Kutaragi, chief operating officer of Sony, said last year.

"Current PC architecture is nearing its limits," he added. source: bbc

wormpaul

09-02-2005, 03:32 PM

For me Xbox :ok:

The Niles

09-02-2005, 04:30 PM

Programming for the PS3 is going to be a bitch it seems. If well done though, you can get some amazing results. We will see far fewer PS3 ports to the PC or other platforms and vice versa. Sony is gambling here but it might pay off.

Rogue

09-02-2005, 05:01 PM

It is very important if they'll made it back compatible, like they did with PS1 and PS2.

It will be awsome to have just another console which will run games from other three :)

And IMHO PS2 games are better then XBox games, and just to make sure, I like all consoles and I have nothing against XBox, but games I like more are PS2 ones.

Aidyn

09-02-2005, 05:20 PM

I was born and raised a pc gamer, but I have a massive collection of console games and systems. I also greatly favor my nintendo, but between ps2 and x-box, go for the ps2.
I own a Gamecube and an x-box, and every decent game both consoles offer. My two best friends both have ps2's. Now, gamecube beats the pants off of them both in every department, but games for the ps2 dance circles around the xbox. And of course, that is all that matters. The ps2 as a console is a piece of crap, but the games you can play are far better than anything the x-box can hope to offer. And since the games are more populous for the ps, you will be able to get way better prices.

And being a FPS lover since Doom (skipped wolfenstein) I will say that Halo is not a quarter of what it is crapped up to be. Booya for Xenosaga anyway. If you want a good FPS, go get Timesplitters 2 for your GC, or Red Faction 1 and 2. ANd if you want good RPG's, no one will tell you to get anything but a PS2, if they have any clue what they are talking about.

But anyways, I think you have most likely already decided. But that is my opinion on the two systems, from a multiplatformer.

xoopx

09-02-2005, 06:35 PM

i dont think the new chip for ps3 (and other things) will be hard to code for.. i expect they will just use c++ or something and the compiler will take care of spitting it out to work well with the multiple cores. the bios/os should take care of the multi processor thing. i dont think anyones going to be coding in assembler for it ;)

Rogue

09-02-2005, 06:38 PM

They will have a tools for coding, just the same they have them now. I believe new graphic chip will also have more instructions and options then before, creating some nice new effects.

@ Aidyn,
he've already sold it to his brother. :D

MARAX

09-02-2005, 07:48 PM

I still got my Vectrex and 3 games :ok:

Sean

09-02-2005, 10:20 PM

Picard,
as far as I know, you don't need any extension to play DVDs on either of them. Only if you don't like to use your game pad as remote control, you can get wireless remote controller.

Xbox doesn't allow DVD playback without the remote....i own both consoles and would say there really isnt much between them, but some of my favourite games are xbox only and most PS2 games are ported to the Xbox in the end anyway... it all depends on what games you like and if your somebody that plays with freinds... also xbox live is meant to be pretty cool :eeeeeh:

:rifle: :Brain: :Titan: :kosta: :Tom:

xoopx

09-02-2005, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by MARAX@Feb 9 2005, 08:48 PM
I still got my Vectrex and 3 games :ok:
sweet. not only is a rare `console`, but if it works, its got one of an ever dwindling number of vector monitors -period- that are still working!

MARAX

09-02-2005, 11:06 PM

my Vectrex still works and its still in its box my dad got it for me when i was a kid for x-mas.

The Niles

09-02-2005, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by xoopx@Feb 9 2005, 07:35 PM
i dont think the new chip for ps3 (and other things) will be hard to code for.. i expect they will just use c++ or something and the compiler will take care of spitting it out to work well with the multiple cores. the bios/os should take care of the multi processor thing. i dont think anyones going to be coding in assembler for it ;)
It's not about being dual core but because they are using "Synergistic Processor Elements" or SPE's. These make for very fast processing of certain kinds of calculations. That is why Sony (and Toshiba) are boasting about "Supercomputer" performance. However the range of use for these chips is rather limited and it requires very specific programming to make the most out of them. Porting games was never easy but now it will become a major pain in the behind. What was always true, that you cannot simply recompile the programs and expect to have any kind of speed now got a lot worse. You would need to rewrite very specifically for these Cell CPU's.
Writing from scratch is also difficult. You would need peopel who know how to code for this and very strictly stick to that kind of coding. Not easy at all.

xoopx

09-02-2005, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by The Picard+Feb 10 2005, 12:26 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Picard @ Feb 10 2005, 12:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-xoopx@Feb 9 2005, 07:35 PM
i dont think the new chip for ps3 (and other things) will be hard to code for.. i expect they will just use c++ or something and the compiler will take care of spitting it out to work well with the multiple cores. the bios/os should take care of the multi processor thing. i dont think anyones going to be coding in assembler for it ;)
It's not about being dual core but because they are using "Synergistic Processor Elements" or SPE's. These make for very fast processing of certain kinds of calculations. That is why Sony (and Toshiba) are boasting about "Supercomputer" performance. However the range of use for these chips is rather limited and it requires very specific programming to make the most out of them. Porting games was never easy but now it will become a major pain in the behind. What was always true, that you cannot simply recompile the programs and expect to have any kind of speed now got a lot worse. You would need to rewrite very specifically for these Cell CPU's.
Writing from scratch is also difficult. You would need peopel who know how to code for this and very strictly stick to that kind of coding. Not easy at all. [/b][/quote]
you can bet theyre completely rubbish for emulation, which needs to run on one cpu, for timing reasons