Zero Wing [NON-PC]

[ZwizzeR]

is it possoble for anyone to get Zero Wing to this site and i'll be greatfull

[Kon-Tiki]

Wasn't that for the Sega Genesis?

[Borodin]

Yeah. So it's not appropriate for Abandonia.

[Kon-Tiki]

Then again... the cult-value of it's higher than that of any other game, no matter which platform :D

[BlackMageJawa]

All your abandonware are belong to us.

[xoopx]

interestingly, the arcade version doesnt have the bad translation of the megadrive/genesis version

[BlackMageJawa]

Thus rendering the arcade version entirely pointless.

I mean, Zero Wing was a decent game, but compared to the likes of Gradius, Parodius and R-Type, it was fairly average. The brilliant translation was the only thing that made it worth noticing. If it wasn't for the dodgy Engrish, ZW would have sunk without trace shortly after its release.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by BlackMageJawa@Jan 13 2005, 11:20 PM
Thus rendering the arcade version entirely pointless.

I mean, Zero Wing was a decent game, but compared to the likes of Gradius, Parodius and R-Type, it was fairly average. The brilliant translation was the only thing that made it worth noticing. If it wasn't for the dodgy Engrish, ZW would have sunk without trace shortly after its release.
i completely agree.

one of my favourite arcade shooters is 'edf -earth defence force'

[Eagle of Fire]

is it possoble for anyone to get Zero Wing to this site and i'll be greatfullWasn't that for the Sega Genesis?
If you are searching for a rom, then the answer is no. Any link to another site will most likely be removed on the spot.

Roms are illegal, and are in no point related to ABW by the fact that they are copies of a RL hard material (in comparison to software, which is a string of code and thus does not constitute an entity per se), turning it into piracy.

Abadonnia have a very strict rule on warez, and I beleive roms would fall into that category also.

[feminista]

I have seen a Zero Wing ROM provided on a "Classic Game Review Site". But anyway, it's not appropriate for this site in any way, though if you want to find it, it's not difficult.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 14 2005, 12:09 AM
is it possoble for anyone to get Zero Wing to this site and i'll be greatfullWasn't that for the Sega Genesis?
If you are searching for a rom, then the answer is no. Any link to another site will most likely be removed on the spot.

Roms are illegal, and are in no point related to ABW by the fact that they are copies of a RL hard material (in comparison to software, which is a string of code and thus does not constitute an entity per se), turning it into piracy.

Abadonnia have a very strict rule on warez, and I beleive roms would fall into that category also.
the roms are just program code... dumped and turned into data the same as a zip of allycat.exe or anything else 'abandonware'
i dont see any distinction, especially in a legal sense

[JJXB]

he asked for zero wing, he didn't say anything about roms, did he? he only enquired about the game without saying anything related to emulation (the question of emulation only cropped up in your post EOF (previous posts mentioned it was on a console, NOT saying anything about roms) so you were the first person to mention roms EOF. anyway, the legality of emulation depends on a lot of things (its not as if your going to find new commodore 64 tapes in shops now is it?) so you'd have a case for going against emulation of a system if it was recent enough but as the mega drive is damn near impossible to track down brand new with brand new games i'd say you don't have a case for arguing against it legally. this may not be an emulation site but don't ban talk of it just as long as it doesn't take over.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by JJXB@Jan 14 2005, 02:05 AM
he asked for zero wing, he didn't say anything about roms, did he? he only enquired about the game without saying anything related to emulation (the question of emulation only cropped up in your post EOF (previous posts mentioned it was on a console, NOT saying anything about roms) so you were the first person to mention roms EOF. anyway, the legality of emulation depends on a lot of things (its not as if your going to find new commodore 64 tapes in shops now is it?) so you'd have a case for going against emulation of a system if it was recent enough but as the mega drive is damn near impossible to track down brand new with brand new games i'd say you don't have a case for arguing against it legally. this may not be an emulation site but don't ban talk of it just as long as it doesn't take over.
not to mention that if anyone runs a dos game in dosbox theyre using pure emulation. dosbox runs on a mac, or any other computer you want to port it to.. its just coincidence that most of us have p.c's that we run it on.
its very important that roms are dumped - they arent going to last forever.. a lot of rare arcade games have no working hardware in existence.. those games only exist in emulation now. this is why with MAME they try and dump everything, even if its not going to get emulated - its to preserve gaming history.
same with c-64 tapes like you said.. and amiga floppy disks. after 15 years most tapes and floppies are dead.

[Eagle of Fire]

First, DOSBox emulate DOS, not the programs themselves. You still need the programs to play thru DOSBox. Having DOSBox in itself will allow you to have a nice DOS on your XP computer (or any computer it works on), and is not at all an argument in "emulation" since DOS is a dead OS that is freeware now. It is really a simple Windows compatibility problem here, and it is the reason DOSBox been created in the first place.

Second, I'm not the one who brought roms to this thread first, if you actually read I quoted 2 times before talking. And then it was only informative. See the "if" at the beginning of the post?

Discussion about roms already been done on this board, and I don't see what you two whining about it will change. Abadonnia do not deal in console emulation and I think Abadonnia even condemn it, tough Kosta would need to come here personally to state his oppinion on the matter since I can't talk for him.

For console games, just go at any place which sell old console games and you will find tons of them easily available anywhere. They are physical entity, even tough you want to argue that they are piece of code like software. However, it is not the case because the old laws been created for physical entities, and a console enter this description very well. Computer softwares however does not, and are considered intellectual properties since they do not have a physical form in themselves. The disks are all the same, and what they can contain change depending of what is on it while console games are a mecanical manifestation of a cadridge which is composed of electrical components, just like a computer.

Now, if you were arguing about PS games and above, which are played on CD or DVD disks, I would give you a point about the games being software like computer games. However, they are too new to be considered ABW and thus are Warez.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 14 2005, 02:07 PM
First, DOSBox emulate DOS, not the programs themselves. You still need the programs to play thru DOSBox. Having DOSBox in itself will allow you to have a nice DOS on your XP computer (or any computer it works on), and is not at all an argument in "emulation" since DOS is a dead OS that is freeware now. It is really a simple Windows compatibility problem here, and it is the reason DOSBox been created in the first place.re Warez.
you're completely wrong. yes, dosbox emulates dos, but it also emulates an entire p.c in software - the soundcard, the graphics card, the cpu, the bios, the i/o the whole thing.
the dos games you play on it are just data, same as a rom and you're running them in emulation. you could run them on a mac, like i said, using dosbox.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 14 2005, 02:07 PM

Discussion about roms already been done on this board, and I don't see what you two whining about it will change. Abadonnia do not deal in console emulation and I think Abadonnia even condemn it, tough Kosta would need to come here personally to state his oppinion on the matter since I can't talk for him.

we arent whining about it, genius. we know this is a p.c site we are just pointing out that your arguments are wrong. i can get roms plenty of other places, why would i want a p.c site to host them? when did i ever say i did?
as for microsoft DOS being FREEWARE ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaaha

[feminista]

They are physical entity, even tough you want to argue that they are piece of code like software. However, it is not the case because the old laws been created for physical entities, and a console enter this description very well. Computer softwares however does not, and are considered intellectual properties since they do not have a physical form in themselves.

Only the software part of a cartridge is copied when making a ROM. The emulators reverse-engineer any specific chips used in the cartridges, they are not stored in the ROM. So, ROMs are not, as you say, copies of physical entities, simply copies of the software stored on those physical entities, just as abandonware is a copy of what is stored on the physical disc which the game came on. And if you think reverse engineering software methods for emulating hardware is illegal.... well, I wouldn't know what to say. I might just stifle a giggle and move on.

[JJXB]

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 14 2005, 02:07 PM
First, DOSBox emulate DOS, not the programs themselves. You still need the programs to play thru DOSBox. Having DOSBox in itself will allow you to have a nice DOS on your XP computer (or any computer it works on), and is not at all an argument in "emulation" since DOS is a dead OS that is freeware now. It is really a simple Windows compatibility problem here, and it is the reason DOSBox been created in the first place.

Second, I'm not the one who brought roms to this thread first, if you actually read I quoted 2 times before talking. And then it was only informative. See the "if" at the beginning of the post?

Discussion about roms already been done on this board, and I don't see what you two whining about it will change. Abadonnia do not deal in console emulation and I think Abadonnia even condemn it, tough Kosta would need to come here personally to state his oppinion on the matter since I can't talk for him.

For console games, just go at any place which sell old console games and you will find tons of them easily available anywhere. They are physical entity, even tough you want to argue that they are piece of code like software. However, it is not the case because the old laws been created for physical entities, and a console enter this description very well. Computer softwares however does not, and are considered intellectual properties since they do not have a physical form in themselves. The disks are all the same, and what they can contain change depending of what is on it while console games are a mecanical manifestation of a cadridge which is composed of electrical components, just like a computer.

Now, if you were arguing about PS games and above, which are played on CD or DVD disks, I would give you a point about the games being software like computer games. However, they are too new to be considered ABW and thus are Warez.
if you read your first post carefully the you'll find YOU mentioned it first. the quotes didn't even say anything about roms, the first one was the enquiry about the game and the second one asked if it was on the mega drive. neither of those 2 quotes was saying OR inciting anything about ROMS. so i was correct in saying YOU first bought up the question of emulators. and as for the answer to the IF bit, that is null and viod due to the fact earlier in this post. at least xoopx and feminista understand my point.

[Eagle of Fire]

You three are doing very good cases of flaming and trolling... :rolleyes:

If I was mod of this forum I could have closed this thread already.

[xoopx]

Originally posted by Eagle of Fire@Jan 14 2005, 05:20 PM
You three are doing very good cases of flaming and trolling... :rolleyes:

If I was mod of this forum I could have closed this thread already.
actually you're the "flaming troll" ... you already accused me and jjxb of "whining" when we were doing no such thing. jjxb hasnt even reacted to that, and feminsta hasnt said anything remotely flaming.
maybe if you stuck to things you know something about, you wouldnt make *yourself* look ignorant.

[JJXB]

how can you say us 3 were flaming and trolling?? we were only making valid points. ok, i may have been a but agressive in making my points but i didn't insult you in any way so you have no case whatsoever in calling us 3 flaming trolls EOF.

edit - if i wanted to flame you that badly EOF, i'd make sure it was off-forum as i'd want to remain part of this nice community :).

[Rogue]

Roms are not illegal, or are at least same legal as the old PC/Amiga games.

You have a right to have back-up of any console game you have.

[ZwizzeR]

ok i just whanted to see the game cus i have only heard about it and that "All your bases... thing. i didn't know that it was to genisis...

[Rogue]

I have it.

About year and half ago I bought Sega Genesis with 30 games. From then I purchased additional 25 games, including Zero Wing.

[JJXB]

sorry if it seems we were a bit hositile though zwizzer just a particular person made the wrong assumtions and started the argument (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE).

[Eagle of Fire]

In fact Zwizzer, we have no idea yet if there is a PC version because everyone been fired up for nothing after they completely misunderstood my post and it went way off topic after that (it was already off topic before anyways). Nobody cared to actually do a search for you. However if there is only a Rom version, then as I said you won't see it on this site since Abadonnia does not provide Roms of any kind.

It would probably be easy to do a quick search on your favorite search engine and find it tough.

If someone could search if there is a PC version of the game, we could know. But that's far from being one of my strong points, I usually leave that search stuff to more competent people.

[MasterGrazzt]

I really don't see the harm in saying the word "emulation". It's not like the ESA is going to swoop in with their death bots and purify us all, is it? No action is going to be taken, xoopx and JJXB aren't clamoring for a Genesis or SNES section, so calm down, EOF, and launch every 'zig. For great justice.

[Eagle of Fire]

Why, I completely agree. Even more since it's completely false that I am the one who started the argument.

All I've done so far is state facts and post informative posts. Your assumption is complely unfounded, I personally doesn't care the slightlest bit about Roms and I even have some somewhere on a CD. However, this site doesn't support those and Kosta has the final word, not me.

[MasterGrazzt]

Then what was up with your reaction since nobody asked for them?

[JJXB]

Grazzt has a point there eagle. you'd have a right to reply like that if roms were asked about perviously, not if there wasn't even a hint of mentioning roms (you shouldn't put 2 and 2 together and get 5 like you did)

[Eagle of Fire]

Just read the second and third post of this thread.

I'm not going to reply any further, because obviously some members here like to troll around.

[JJXB]

now why would i troll? if i wanted to do anything like that it would be more like flaming you for your ignorance.
and as for the first comment, i just did read posts 2+3 of this thread and saw no significance (and no hints at emulation whatsoever) so why point it out?