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Yamcha
07-01-2005, 06:33 PM
I know that this feature is for fun but this turned to a very annoying thing. There are ppl that post from the names of others, spamming and other things. :angry: Please do something like option to ignore members or atleast something with the names!

Its almost impossible to caht because some1 is writing from your name and that confuses everything. PLZ DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! :help:

einherjar
07-01-2005, 06:34 PM
I agree. Some people are becoming quite obnoxious there.

Titan
07-01-2005, 07:45 PM
Well.. theire IP's are tagged along with every post, so it's not realy hard to track down fake-posters...

It's theire own fault if they choose to do so..

Strobe
07-01-2005, 07:45 PM
one day, i was eager to join shoutbox as well. but after i realized that some
comments were quite untypical for the persons whose names were indicated
i felt somewhat confused.

in general, chatrooms would be a nice addition for abandonia. but we have to
make sure, that noone is able to misuse that options.

on my website, i have implemented a freeware php-chat which is almost
fully customable. maybe this would be a considerable alternative to the shoutbox?

Koen
07-01-2005, 08:09 PM
SHOUTBOX??? :blink:

Where??? :sneaky:

Firefox blocked it!!! :w00t:

.EDIT. Ow wait... It's ZoneAlarm doing the job :P

BLOODUK
07-01-2005, 09:07 PM
hah you take notice of it??? just scroll up wolla gone

Titan
07-01-2005, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Koen@Jan 7 2005, 10:09 PM
SHOUTBOX??? :blink:

Where??? :sneaky:

Firefox blocked it!!! :w00t:

.EDIT. Ow wait... It's ZoneAlarm doing the job :P
Hmmm.. perhaps you should define Abandonia as a "Safe" site... :)

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 03:09 PM
I just hate the shoutbox..

Everyone is talking in langueges i cant read :not_ok:

Omuletzu
08-01-2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Titan@Jan 7 2005, 10:45 PM
Well.. theire IP's are tagged along with every post, so it's not realy hard to track down fake-posters...

It's theire own fault if they choose to do so..
How about taging ip's to nicknames.This way you can't use somebody else's nick, but you can use a nick that is not in the database(if you want to be stealthy) :sneaky:

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 03:14 PM
Or just give the people a warn when they are doing things like that :ranting:

Omuletzu
08-01-2005, 03:15 PM
Why warn, when you can stop it altogether!?

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Omuletzu@Jan 8 2005, 04:15 PM
Why warn, when you can stop it altogether!?
At this way you can see who is cheating and who is fair to others..

so it became easier to shoot the dark intruders here :ranting:

Data
08-01-2005, 04:00 PM
First of all: you don't have to use the shoutbox....
if you don't like don't use it!

Fake posts are possible and are part of the fun. if you don't like go play somewhere else.

I occasionally post under a different name just for the fun of it.

The shoutbox is the only unmoderated and to some extend anonymous place on this site. I personally think it's a nice place for informal things and for some fun.

mouse31e
08-01-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Data@Jan 8 2005, 05:00 PM
First of all: you don't have to use the shoutbox....
if you don't like don't use it!

Fake posts are possible and are part of the fun. if you don't like go play somewhere else.

I occasionally post under a different name just for the fun of it.

The shoutbox is the only unmoderated and to some extend anonymous place on this site. I personally think it's a nice place for informal things and for some fun.
Absolutely!

There shouldn't be any need for rules or restrictions because it would spoil the fun of the shoutbox completely and if the admins can see the IP's of anyone who does really abuse it, they can take action if it is absolutely necessary, which it shouldn't be!

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Data@Jan 8 2005, 05:00 PM
Fake posts are possible and are part of the fun. if you don't like go play somewhere else.

I occasionally post under a different name just for the fun of it.


People that are posting under other names are stupid bitches (sorry for the flaming but i just had to say it)

Those people dont know what they are doing and can cause extremly much damage when things are going wrong...

Even when they only think that they are funny it can be still very annoying and not fair to other members here around..

So when i see someone using names that arent fair in my opinion i will do whatever i can to shoot that fuking bastard :ranting: :ranting:

Predator
08-01-2005, 04:31 PM
My god, so much wasted energy... I would only spend so much of it when someone would say really insulting things in the shoutbox to you, just like you do now. Or did you just have a bad day?..

Danny252
08-01-2005, 04:46 PM
I once posted under Kiddi. I posted what he told me to :D

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Predator@Jan 8 2005, 05:31 PM
My god, so much wasted energy... I would only spend so much of it when someone would say really insulting things in the shoutbox to you, just like you do now. Or did you just have a bad day?..
Nope;...

I just hate people who think that is funny... :ranting:

And for the energy: I got more then enough energy...so that shouldnt be a problem :ok:

Data
08-01-2005, 05:14 PM
I don't mind that you disagree with me wormpaul.
but I think flaming is never appropiate.

wormpaul
08-01-2005, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Data@Jan 8 2005, 06:14 PM
I don't mind that you disagree with me wormpaul.
but I think flaming is never appropiate.
I know...

That`s why already said sorry in the Post...

But just need to make sure people knows how important some things are for me (and this is one of them)

Maikel
09-01-2005, 08:15 AM
From dutch guy to dutch guy: Op je plaats rust ;)

Omuletzu
09-01-2005, 08:39 AM
I agree with Paul.
Anyway i sense a flame war soon because of this, so i think everyone will witness it first hand :angry:

wormpaul
09-01-2005, 09:15 AM
Yes..

I had a conversation with Data about this (on the PM way)...next time i will use some more friendly words and not the flaming way...

Sebatianos
09-01-2005, 10:31 AM
Oh well - I've been away for a while now, so I couldn't react sooner, but:

-fake posts are possible... unfortunately
-If you don't like it, go play somewhere else... not that easy

Now let me explain. I don't have to be on abandonia, but someone else could be posting in the shoutbox using my name. That person could have converstions and even though 'I'd play' somwhere else, I'd be the only one who'd know...
Since I've made quite a few friends here I wouldn't like someone else to talk to them in my name because:
1. I'm not a part of the converstion, so I won't know what my friend is telling me
2. Someone else would be saying thing in my name, so the person, who's on the other side of the converstion will get a wrong picture about me (woudln't have to be, that they'll think less of me, but they have a wron opinio0n about who I am)
3. If nothing else, it's illegal to take somebody elses identity and punishable by law!

I know it doesn't sound serious- someone posted under my name, but then again - 'someone orderd 20 pizzas in the middle of the night to my address' doesn't sound serious either... It's a prank call and people might think it's not hurting anyone - iut's just a joke, but it isn't so:
1) Someone has to pay the bill.
2) The people getting the pizzas will have big trouble ordering at that piztza-delivery again. They won't be willing to accept their orders because they too will have in mind the possibility it's a phoney call.

So such jokes are serious, even if that doesn't sound like much!

Now a question - can the shoutbox be aranged so, that once you log in your identity is the name you have to use in the shoutbox as well? That way no-one could post as someone else...

Omuletzu
09-01-2005, 10:39 AM
Like i said Ip taging is the way to go!

Braindead
09-01-2005, 10:41 AM
The shoutbox isn't part of the invision power board files but a service delivered by this webpage: http://www.myshoutbox.com

All entries are logged together with IP-address, so if there's an incident there's always the possibility to track down who was the real poster regardless of the nickname that was used to post the entry.

There are plenty of alternatives for a shoutbox but I quite like this one because of the design and that it doesn't take up a lot of space. I actually think it's an advantage that you don't have to be registered to be able to post in the shoutbox. We strife to be an open community.

Omuletzu
09-01-2005, 10:45 AM
Yes i agree that loging on to to say something in shoutbox is not practical.After all the shoutbox is made so you can quickly say something.That's why i'm proposing a more subtile measure, ip taging(getting tired of saying this :yawn: ).The principle is pretty simple, but somebody has to do the taging job; now this could take a while (1337 members i think :whistle: )

Data
09-01-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Sebatianos@Jan 9 2005, 12:31 PM

Since I've made quite a few friends here I wouldn't like someone else to talk to them in my name because:
1. I'm not a part of the converstion, so I won't know what my friend is telling me
2. Someone else would be saying thing in my name, so the person, who's on the other side of the converstion will get a wrong picture about me (woudln't have to be, that they'll think less of me, but they have a wron opinio0n about who I am)

Maybe it would be an idea to put a warning on top of it saying don't believe everything said in the shoutbox........


I would personally think that it would be very "not smart" to believe everything said in the shoutbox.

the name itself allready gives credit to it's reputation shoutbox

I appear to be on my own here. Well i will continue to post under different names if it would be funy for the situation. Unless it's explicitly forbidden.

The fact that it's illegal to pretend to be somebody else brings up the question:
why should usernames in 2 different systems (shoutbox and a forum) belong to same person. people believing that to be true will face great difficulties.... (being prone to whatever mallicous thing on the internet)

xoopx
09-01-2005, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Data@Jan 8 2005, 05:00 PM
First of all: you don't have to use the shoutbox....
if you don't like don't use it!

Fake posts are possible and are part of the fun. if you don't like go play somewhere else.

I occasionally post under a different name just for the fun of it.

The shoutbox is the only unmoderated and to some extend anonymous place on this site. I personally think it's a nice place for informal things and for some fun.
i wouldnt be very amused if someone impersonated me on it. i dont use it so i wouldnt even know.

faking other people on the internet is very bad etiquette!

wormpaul
09-01-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Data@Jan 9 2005, 11:49 AM
I appear to be on my own here. Well i will continue to post under different names if it would be funy for the situation. Unless it's explicitly forbidden.


It`s forbidden to use a name that can people remind to me DATA...

So all that can arrange to me it`s forbidden by now...

Get it??

Kosta
09-01-2005, 11:51 AM
OK, this is more than enough now. Shoutbox is supposed to be used for fun. If someone posts under a false name for fun, without inflicting harm or damage on purpose, I don't see what the big deal about it is. If it is a reason for fighting, then I will remove it and all problems will be gone. Do you want me to do this or not? Its as simple as that

FreeFreddy
09-01-2005, 04:02 PM
The ones who post in the shoutbox should realize themselves, that posting under names of others produce chaos and unsureness, so in the end no one would believe in the name of poster - maybe it would be again someone else?..
There should be a border kept. Posting once in a while under name of another to have fun is ok, but to do that often is not ok. By doing that this only destroys the reputation and fun of Shoutbox, as for posters, so for the imposter also. Isn't that obvious enough?..

Sebatianos
09-01-2005, 06:41 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to shut down the shout box because of few members persisting to post under other names (and using names of other active members), but if this does keep up I will be the first one to vote: YES - close the shout box.

Maikel
09-01-2005, 08:55 PM
Hmmm nouw I'm curious. I never post in the shoutbox, but has my name come up?

(ordering pizza's etc? :blink: )

Puffin
09-01-2005, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by Maikel@Jan 9 2005, 09:55 PM
Hmmm nouw I'm curious. I never post in the shoutbox, but has my name come up?

(ordering pizza's etc? :blink: )
l o l, not that i know of ;)

I use it every now and then.. but i usually don't bother going through the archive to keep up with everything that's going on there :blink:

Iron_Scarecrow
10-01-2005, 01:45 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned. But couldn't you make it so you don't type your name in at all?

Like when you sign in on your name, then you go and type something in the shoutbox is comes up under your name. Just like any other thread on the site.

Predator
10-01-2005, 12:31 PM
That sounds reasonable. Would remove the chaos in any case then.

Data
10-01-2005, 12:33 PM
not (simply/e) possible. the shoutbox is completely detached from the forum.

Strobe
10-01-2005, 12:58 PM
this seems to be a hot topic!

as far as i've gotten insight into this discussion, ppl are worrying about
the possibility that the shoutbox COULD be misused for some mean intentions.

but up to now, such a situation doesn't seem to have OCCURRED in fact, yet,
if i'm not mistaken.

i'd propose, that as soon as the first person is reporting a really grave
misuse of this module, we should put up a vote about closing it down.

but as long as all concerns are merely speculative, we should hope that
forum users are responsible and honest enough to handle this "freedom of
speech" like grown-ups, and not for childish, insultive plays!

Omuletzu
10-01-2005, 06:50 PM
Unfortunately such things have already happened, but they are nothing more than jokes.I am however concerned that the phenomenon could escalate :borg:

wormpaul
10-01-2005, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Omuletzu@Jan 10 2005, 07:50 PM
Unfortunately such things have already happened, but they are nothing more than jokes.I am however concerned that the phenomenon could escalate :borg:
Indeed...

and why waiting for that moment/??

Predator
10-01-2005, 06:53 PM
So what do you propose? To close the shoutbox?

wormpaul
10-01-2005, 06:55 PM
it should be OK by me...or change the way Omeletzu said..

that`s probally the best option :ok:

Omuletzu
10-01-2005, 07:32 PM
I really don't care about the shoutbox.The informal way in which it was built means it's a heaven for spammers!I don't like spammers :Titan: .Whether you close it or not, it doesn't affect me in any way.The people of Abandonia should do a vote, they'r the ones who are going to be affected! :borg:

Maikel
10-01-2005, 10:04 PM
If we don't have a shoutbox, all the spam will come on the forum. Spammers need to blow of steam and the shoutbox can do that perfectly. Just don't take stuff their seriously. The name says it all.. Shoutbox, for people who like to ...shout :D

Iron_Scarecrow
11-01-2005, 01:41 AM
Isn't it possibly to close that shoutbox and build your own so it would work like any other thread?

But then not have it count to postcounts.

Puffin
11-01-2005, 07:05 AM
Uhm.. Am I the only one who can't see the shoutbox? or is it down? :blink:

Titan
11-01-2005, 07:07 AM
Seems to be a problem at the hosts side...

goblins
11-01-2005, 07:42 AM
im SHOUTING does this count LOL

wormpaul
11-01-2005, 02:56 PM
at least for your post :ok:

wormpaul
11-02-2005, 08:35 AM
ALready changed something here??? :help:

Iron_Scarecrow
11-02-2005, 09:57 AM
I think you'll have to explain yourself there.

wormpaul
11-02-2005, 09:58 AM
We were thinking about linking IP to name...

Still nothing changed i guess...

Iron_Scarecrow
11-02-2005, 10:16 AM
Oh I see. Well Is it important anymore, I haven't seen any cases where people were using false names.

wormpaul
11-02-2005, 10:18 AM
i dont know..

But 1 day it will be..with so many members..

I cant go in peace all the time then :whistle:

BUFFY
15-02-2005, 09:26 AM
Im going to add my 5 cents...

Personally I like the ShoutBox, people take like 5 hours to respond anyway, and you can see whether the person is infact online because the online list is right next to the shoutout box, surely that heaps with confusion?

Removing the Name option wouldn't help, people would just type their name infront of their message for easier reference anyways. I think if something major happened, it could easily be cleared up by the person saying no, I did not write this.

Its a good way for casual questions to be answered, yes I do agree I would not like someone to pretend they where me and say random things so that when I went to post people had reserved thoughts about me.... but if a member that read this really knew me (as most of you know each other) Im sure they would know it was in fact not me by the style and words that the post contained.

In short keep the ShoutBox!! Closing down something so informal would be a real shame... Stop worrying people!! :ok:

wormpaul
17-02-2005, 03:28 PM
Again down that shoutbox???? :blink:

ReamusLQ
17-02-2005, 03:51 PM
it's been down for me for like, two days now

FlightorFight
17-02-2005, 03:57 PM
My Shoutbox doesn't work :cry:

FreeFreddy
17-02-2005, 04:33 PM
Doesn't work for me either, since yesterday evening. But like we know already, that're just some temporarely problems on their site. :max:

FlightorFight
17-02-2005, 05:08 PM
:ranting: Mine just started working, but then stopped after I tried to send something!

How irritating!

wormpaul
17-02-2005, 05:31 PM
For me it works perfect now :angel:

FreeFreddy
17-02-2005, 05:58 PM
Good day, my dear neighbours. Nice weather today, don't you think? And the shoutbox is active again. Ah, how wonderful! :w00t:

15 mintues passed...

Hey, the shoutbox is missing again! Could someone call the police, please? :max:

wormpaul
17-02-2005, 06:24 PM
Damm..

Cant we get a new one?? (from other site)

This one is all the time down :not_ok:

Mats
22-02-2005, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by wormpaul@Feb 17 2005, 08:24 PM
Damm..

Cant we get a new one?? (from other site)

This one is all the time down :not_ok:
Well, that didn't stop people from using fake names,when I came here this morning I had my account suspended pending an investigation that I or someone else was using my name in the shoutbox and shouting wildly. It was just a short while ago that I was redeemed innocent and my account was reactivated.

This is what might easily happen several times with this shoutbox, it's only fun until someone gets hurt, I might not care to much about what happened :Titan: , since I did get my account back, but there is a large chance that this will escalate (and I didn't even know a shoutbox existed until my account was suspended because of it)


///MJ

Omuletzu
22-02-2005, 11:17 AM
We are very sorry about what happened mats.I'm glad everything was cleared out ;) :cheers:

wormpaul
22-02-2005, 03:07 PM
Just another example...

I think we should do something now about it :whistle:

punch999
22-02-2005, 09:06 PM
I agree down with the dutch person with the same id as quatro who did this!!!!!!!!!!

Tulac
22-02-2005, 09:15 PM
*cough* IRC channel *cough*

Havell
22-02-2005, 09:35 PM
*cough* too much effort to keep going *cough*

Data
22-02-2005, 09:47 PM
*cough* closed *cough*

If there is too much abuse of it -> we will remove it. (oh yeah we will remove the abusers as well so don't try to force it)

It's only one line in the code.