The Abandonian Ufo 2000 League

[The Fifth Horseman]

Since it looks like a lot of us are getting into Ufo 2000, especially with the new tournament, how about organising a sort of league to keep track of our overall scores (not just the tournament losses/victories)?

Basic rules:
1. Anyone can register.
2. Points limits and maps are not restricted.
3. Original X-Com weapon set is considered the default in League matches. You can use a different set if you arrange it beforehand with your opponent. You're free to use any weapon sets in Open matches.
3. Types of matches:
League: match between two League members. Both the winner and the loser should post screenshots for verification, or confirm the screenshot posted by the other as valid.
Open: match between a League member and a non-League player. Please report both your wins and losses in Open matches, so that the stats are complete.
Records are kept for both cathegories separately.
4. The player's rank in the league is determined by the damage he or she inflicts during the League matches ONLY. Non-league matches do not have any effect on your rank.

Registered players:
1. The Fifth Horseman
League matches: 6 Open matches:2
League W/L: 3/3
League Damage I/T: 3073/3820
Open W/L: 1/1
Open Damage: 1023/1766
Match records:
League, loss, against Tzutzy (2008/08/28) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=172&d=1219923768
League, win, against Tzutzy (2008/08/28) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=173&d=1219923773
League, win, against Tzutzy (2008/08/28) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=174&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1219925030
League, win, against Tzutzy (2008/08/28) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=175&d=1219927365
League, loss, against Tzutzy (2008/08/29) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=176&d=1220014540
Open, win, against Mikefy (2008/08/29) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=177&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1220014573
Open, loss, against Intri2 (2008/08/29) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=178&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1220014582
League, loss, against Balthasar (2008/09/01) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=186&d=1220440937

2. AlumiuN
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

3. Pieboblol
League matches: 1 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/1
League Damage I/T: 280/940
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:
League, loss, against Eagle of Fire (2008/08/29)

4. Eagle of Fire
League matches: 3 Open matches:1
League W/L: 3/0
League Damage I/T: 2322/758
Open W/L: 0/1
Open Damage: 693/1039
Match records:
League, win, against Pieboblol (2008/08/29) http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4919/vspieboblolwinul1.png
League, win, against The Chosen (2008/08/30) http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/354/vsthechosenwinrh9.png
League, win, against DoomYoshi (2008/08/31) http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6576/vsdoomyoshiwindy9.png
Open, loss, against NSP (2008/08/31) http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8176/vsnsploseopenqv2.png

5. The Chosen
League matches: 2 Open matches:1
League W/L: 0/2
League Damage I/T: 870/1560
Open W/L: 1/0
Open Damage: 784/270
Match records:
Open, win, against Verek_22 (2008/08/30) http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6366/thechosenvsverek22dw2.png
League, loss, against Eagle of Fire (2008/08/30)
League, loss, against Tzutzy (2008/09/03)

6. Tzutzy
League matches: 7 Open matches:4
League W/L: 4/3
League Damage I/T: 4648/3683
Open W/L: 1/2
Open Damage: 2785/4156
Match records:
League, Win, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/08/28)
League, Loss, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/08/28)
League, Loss, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/08/28)
League, Loss, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/08/28)
League, Win, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/08/29)
Open, win, against Kuznets (2008/08/30) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=180&d=1220140626
Open, loss, against Lemm (2008/08/31) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=181&d=1220154874
League, win, against Balthasar (2008/09/01) http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/balthasar.bmp
League, win, against TheChosen (2008/09/03) http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/TheChosen.bmp
Open, loss, against Intri2 (2008/09/06) http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/intri2.bmp
Open, loss, against Matahl_CZ (2008/09/08) http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/Matahl_CZ.bmp

7. DoomYoshi
League matches: 1 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/1
League Damage I/T: 52/556
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:
League, Loss, against Eagle of Fire (2008/08/31)

8. NSP
League matches: 0 Open matches: 7
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 7/0
Open Damage: 4019/2932
Match records:
Open, win, against Eagle of Fire (2008/08/31)
Open, win, against Nontech (2008/09/02) http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nontech2pm3.jpg
Open, win, against Nontech (2008/09/02) http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nontech1nd3.jpg
Open, win, against Endreth (2008/09/03) http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=endreth1jp9.jpg
Open, win, against Endreth (2008/09/03) http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=endreth2gg1.jpg
Open, win, against Winderlies http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winderlies1ql7.jpg
Open, win, against olajaqueque http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olaquequegi3.jpg

9. Diyashi
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

10. Crysta1
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

11. Balthasar
League matches: 5 Open matches:1
League W/L: 1/4
League Damage I/T: 1447/4407
Open W/L: 1/0
Open Damage: 697/779
Match records:
League, loss, against Tzutzy (2008/09/01)
League, win, against The Fifth Horseman (2008/09/01) http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1460/clipimage002vp8.jpg
League, loss, against K02 (2008/09/03)
Open, win, against Nontech (2008/09/03) http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bvsnonzp5.gif
League, loss, against K02 (2008/09/05)
League, loss, against K02 (2008/09/05)

12. O_unico
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

13. K02
League matches: 3 Open matches:1
League W/L: 3/0
League Damage I/T: 3033/736
Open W/L: 1/0
Open Damage: 1013/512
Match records:
Open, win, agains j????? (2008/09/02) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=185&d=1220385357
League, win, against Balthasar (2008/09/03) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=187&d=1220470918
League, win, agains Balthasar (2008/09/05) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=188&d=1220640074
League, win, agains Balthasar (2008/09/05) http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/attachment.php?attachmentid=189&d=1220640092

14. Intri
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

15. Patrone
League matches: 0 Open matches:0
League W/L: 0/0
League Damage I/T: 0/0
Open W/L: 0/0
Open Damage: 0/0
Match records:

[AlumiuN]

Ooh, ooh, first to sign up! :nuts:

[pieboblol]

Count me in.

[Eagle of Fire]

Let's get this thing on the road.

Add me up too!

[TheChosen]

Yeah, why not.

[tzutzy]

I want in! :nuts:

[The Fifth Horseman]

So you are. :)
Screenshots: scores, Horseman vs Tzutzy.
First map: Industrial 5x5
Second map: Cydonia 5x5 (that was fun, lots of hit & run on both sides)
Third map: Jungle 6x6
Fourth map: Modified City, 6x6

[tzutzy]

This was good practice for the tournament. At some stages I got pretty frustrated with the Xcom weapon set - too many misses and weak damage, so some rethinking must be done on my part.:wondering:

[AlumiuN]

*whistles* Horseman, you got ownzed in the first game. I think you got your own back, though.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Another match with Tzutzy and two open games. :amused:
Stats to be updated soon.

[Eagle of Fire]

Here is one win against Pieboblol. Nice game Bob.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4919/vspieboblolwinul1.png

[TheChosen]

Unbelivable! I won!

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6366/thechosenvsverek22dw2.png

Had an match against Verek_22, a non tournament member.

[Eagle of Fire]

Another win for me, this time against The Chosen.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/354/vsthechosenwinrh9.png

[Dave]

Unbelivable! I won!
Had an match against Verek_22, a non tournament member.
My congrats Chosen! I'm waiting for your re-re-revenge :laugh:

We are still searching some substitutes and this league is a nice way to find new players...may I ask you to help us in these search?

Thanks a lot, I'll add the link of this topic on Tournament tutorial soon, in this way people will join the league to practise a bit more :)

[tzutzy]

Just had one match (open) with Kuznets - win. Screen attached.
One guy had a missile in his hand instead of the missile launcher. That's what I get from copying files from one version to the other and not check.

[DoomYoshi]

Yeah, I'll join

[Eagle of Fire]

A quick and easy win against DoomYoshi. He have a lot to think for the upcoming tourney. I gave him a few pointers, it's going to help him for sure. :)

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/6576/vsdoomyoshiwindy9.png

Also here is a game I lost to NSP. I thought he was in the league but it doesn't seem so. I talked with him about the league, but since I don't see his name anywhere I'll file it under "Open".

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8176/vsnsploseopenqv2.png

[NSP]

Well count me in

NSP

aka the mad scientist

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[tzutzy]

Another open game, loss, against Lemm. Man this was a big map... 8 level building plus some extra layers of empty stuff on top...
too many soldiers too

How do you guys post these images, I attach them and there's small and they take up some quota i'm allowed, while you just put them up full size in the body of the message.

[Diyashi]

Awesome. Now I don't have to wait for the next tournament to play again. :D Yeah, I'd like to join.

[crysta1]

Sign me up.


GAME ON BABY!


CRysta1

[The Fifth Horseman]

How do you guys post these images, I attach them and there's small and they take up some quota i'm allowed, while you just put them up full size in the body of the message.
A. You can save them in PNG format using GIMP (easy to do). Remember to change the color mode to indexed - this cuts them down to about 30 K size. Which the forum allows.
B. You can upload them to - say - Photobucket or Imageshack. They accept up to 1 MB large images.

Side note - PLEASE do not resize the images or save them in JPG. This makes them difficult to read and can make the damage stats impossible to decipher.

[Balthasar]

Hi all,

i would like to join this competition too. Think i need some training first though :noworry:.

Greets B.

[o_unico]

sign me in, please :)

[Dave]

Hi all,

i would like to join this competition too. Think i need some training first though :noworry:.

Greets B.
If you want to join the Tournament post here:
http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=17667
But hurry up! There's not much time left for substitutes :amused:

[The Fifth Horseman]

Stats updated.

[tzutzy]

Today's game, league win against Balthasar.
http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/balthasar.bmp

[Balthasar]

Hmm, that wasn't a league game Tzutzy Oo...just a fun war. I'm not even sheduled yet (just subscribed)...

Greets Balthasar

[The Fifth Horseman]

Tournament and league are two separate things, Balthasar. The League is primarily a way of tracking everyone's scores beyond what the tournament offers.
Since both you and Tzutzy were registered as League participants at the time of the match, it is a League match and counts towards your rating in the League. But it does not affect your status in the tournament (because as I said before, it's a separate thing).

[Balthasar]

So our match (u remember :) ) today would also count as league match?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Precisely so. :)

[Balthasar]

OK then, i'm proud to announce my first win in this League against The Fifth Horseman.

Here is the screenshot:

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1460/clipimage002vp8.jpg

Greets B.

[K02]

I think I'm joining so that my next game would count (don't play very often though)

I'm waiting for the eagle\balthasar game.

[Balthasar]

I'm waiting for the eagle\balthasar game.

Me too :D cya soon

[Eagle of Fire]

Did I miss something? Is Balthasar supposed to be my nemesis or something? :unsure:

[Balthasar]

No, i think he is awaiting the next game vs me and vs you.

[K02]

I'm awaiting for someone to win eagle in the league (3-0 is a too good score)

Also I had a game with NSP and I think I lost (the usual I have a dead soldier left running around looking for the enemy situation, I think he got the victory screen, but I cannot be sure, he didn't say anything), had a nice 5v5 ending with 1(0)v2 with a close ending.

Also an open match with someone with a long and complex name (j something, can't remember, I have bad memory) and won

[Dave]

Tournament info: new matches!
Check the topic ;)

[The Fifth Horseman]

Stats updated.
Reminder to everyone: I can't stress how important it is to not resize the images. Also, save them in GIF or PNG - these formats will not distort the image contents (they may be OK for photos, but here it's about several-pixel-tall numbers...
If you save it as a JPG, it can be pretty difficult to decipher the numbers. Trying to get them from resized JPGs becomes guesswork.

[NSP]

I'm awaiting for someone to win eagle in the league (3-0 is a too good score)

Also I had a game with NSP and I think I lost (the usual I have a dead soldier left running around looking for the enemy situation, I think he got the victory screen, but I cannot be sure, he didn't say anything), had a nice 5v5 ending with 1(0)v2 with a close ending.

Also an open match with someone with a long and complex name (j something, can't remember, I have bad memory) and won

The game just freezed so we couldn't play to the end. Otherwise i probably would have won XD
Jo i have alot of screenshots from games i won, but those guys aren't in the league does that count?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Those count as "Open" games.

[tzutzy]

League match, win against The Chosen on 03/09/2008.

Edit: please let me know if the pics read ok (i can see them better now, bitmap 256 colors). Thanks

http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/TheChosen.bmp

[The Fifth Horseman]

Yep, reads just fine. Added to stats.

[NSP]

against endreth 3.9.2008

firstmatch
http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=endreth1jp9.jpg

secondmatch

http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=endreth2gg1.jpg

against nontech 2.9.2008

firstmatch
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nontech1nd3.jpg

secondmatch
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nontech2pm3.jpg


against winderlies

http://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winderlies1ql7.jpg

against olajaqueque

firstmatch

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olaquequegi3.jpg

secondmatch

http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=olaquequeje2.jpg


aight hope to kill you soon XD:nuts:

[Balthasar]

@NSP

Endlich jemand mit dem man mal deutsch reden kann :)...Hoffe wir sehen uns bald mal im Match...

@NSP again

Did u also mentioned ur losses? ;)

Greets B.

[NSP]

@Balthasar schoen dass ich endlich mal jemanden treffe der auf deutsch fluchen wird :nuts:

@Balthasar again

Well I have 5 more wins and 3 losses in my stock...what u got? :laugh::nuts::laugh:

[K02]

new league win- balthasar
it was quite interesting, shooting lots of stuff at an unit, none of them hit

Balthasar, by the way you did hit some, my foot soldier was at 4 HP when he retreated into the building, the other guy hd like 16 HP left

[Balthasar]

K...good so :D..

Sry...today i wanted to play against Nontech, i promised him this..next time u can beat me up :) and of course i will swear in german, hehe

Todays Match against Nontech:

Baltha wins ;)

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4277/bvsnonzp5.th.gif (http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bvsnonzp5.gif)

Unfortunatly our rematch couldn't be brought to an end. One of my men was stucked in area where he didn't came out. I had no nades, otherwise i would have kill him. But @Nontech...u will become ur chance to kill me :)...

@5th

I saved the replay but i cant watch it. There is only the winning (or loosing) game-screen which u can see. Is there another way to watch them replays?

Greets Baltha

[Balthasar]

Edit: @K02

Balthasar, by the way you did hit some, my foot soldier was at 4 HP when he retreated into the building, the other guy hd like 16 HP left

Grrr, yes, i knew they couldn't have much life left ;D but in the end it was clear win of yours.

[Dave]

I saved the replay but i cant watch it. There is only the winning (or loosing) game-screen which u can see. Is there another way to watch them replays?

Greets Baltha
It's a bug of the stable version, it works with the beta one.

[Balthasar]

Hmm, so i got to install the new beta to watch it...too bad...

[Dave]

You can install both version :)
Next Tournament we will spread the beta btw, I hope it's better than the stable version.

[patrone]

count me for the league!!! Does anybody want to play about 20 german time?

[The Fifth Horseman]

You can install both version :)
Yups, as long as you specify different installation directories and cathegory names for the Start menu.
Next Tournament we will spread the beta btw, I hope it's better than the stable version.
Except for one detail: it seems the thing has memory leakage issues. Which means every two or three matches you need to close the game and start it again, or it will bloat all over your RAM and pagefile.

[AlumiuN]

My laptop did not deal well with the beta and a 288 mB page file, I can tell you. :suspicious: However, the beta replay function did work properly, and I haven't see any 'undead' soldiers yet using the beta (not like the stable one).

[NSP]

Why is nobody updating my stats on the first site? :confused:

[The Fifth Horseman]

Was kind of busy. Will update them in a few hours.

[K02]

you can add these updates as well:
2 wins vs balthasar (league)

[Balthasar]

Yeah...good job K02...(old camper :D)

[tzutzy]

Open loss against Intri2. Very close game, down to one on one, missed my last shot when opponent reacted with a good aimed laser blow.
A question, I've never played with alien races, are we allowed to (esp. in the tournament)? There a couple of good units there with flying abilities, etc, with good armor as well.

http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/intri2.bmp

[Eagle of Fire]

A question, I've never played with alien races, are we allowed to (esp. in the tournament)? There a couple of good units there with flying abilities, etc, with good armor as well.
Of course we are. I use them all the time. The Ethereals are great flying units, with better armor than a squaddie with the first blue armor.

[crysta1]

I thought the tourney was limited to humans only?

[Eagle of Fire]

Well, I just checked the rules on the first page of the tourney thread and they seem to change all the time... I was sure it was 7 squaddies max, not it is 6...

Anyways, there is no restriction on the races you can play, thus you can use any alien race as you want.

[Eagle of Fire]

I was playing a practice game against someone named "lemm". Unfortunatly, some kind of bug happened and we could not complete our game.

So much for the so called "stable" version... :notrust:

[AlumiuN]

1086 is actually better, it just has large memory leakage problems. It actually has a better weapon set as well :p

[Intri]

Hi
I think I would like to join to the league. I'm trying to organise tournament too (through ufo2000 forum (http://www.xcomufo.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=242028762&view=findpost&p=176967) ) but it is hard to find players. If someone is interested, still can join it :)
I have 1086 version and you haven't specified which one is OK for league - so I guess both beta and stable candidate are good:laugh:
If I understood corectly, the league's ranking is based on damage inflict factor, right? It is good but it could be simplier if there would be 'number of kills' instead.

[Dave]

Well, I just checked the rules on the first page of the tourney thread and they seem to change all the time... I was sure it was 7 squaddies max, not it is 6...
Fifth Horseman asked for a max of 7 players and 7k, but we did a compromise (6 soldiers and 7k).But this happened time ago, we don't change rules since weeks.


Anyways, there is no restriction on the races you can play, thus you can use any alien race as you want.
Right :)

[tzutzy]

I did a quick analysis of $/armour ratios for all types of soldiers and aliens. Reasoning was stats can be modded anyway and I couldn't really see any differences between a human soldier and an alien soldier (same stats available for both).

It seems the best armours are the Ion ones (sorry I'm used to the TFTD ufopaedia), with the flying one being marginally more expensive but giving the player freedom of space.
Muton/chameleon came in third with a good solid ratio.

Worst: Sectoid, then Human (no armour) then Floater but then the Floater floates :love: so it could still be a good choice when cash is scarce.

If anyone is interested in the actual numbers or how I did it (and critics are welcome) let me know.

[Dave]

Worst: Sectoid, then Human (no armour) then Floater but then the Floater floates :love: so it could still be a good choice when cash is scarce.

Pay attention...sectoids are cheap and insidious! They have suicidal tendences ;)

[tzutzy]

League loss, against Patrone, on 8/09/2008. I really got my ass kicked on this one. Reduced my squad to 5 men with better armour after getting eliminated from the tournament, but it didn't help at all. Bad aiming & couldn't see anything on the battlefield. Man I need some lessons in warfare:amused:.

http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/patrone.bmp

[patrone]

Won 1 game and lost 1 game against XAAS Romantic. Then won 1 game against AB Tzutzy. Somehow I cant take screenshots but i got the replays if the guys dont upload the stat screens.

[tzutzy]

This is how I save the screenshots:
1. Press ALT+Print Screen when stats come up for the game just ended.
2. Open Paint (in Windows Accessories) then Paste image there (CTRL+V).
3. Save file (i use bitmap 256 colors to reduce the size) on desktop.
4. Open Yahoo Geocities where I've got a bit of internet space, upload the picture.
5. Create your message then insert the URL for the picture in the body (click on insert image).

Sorry if this sounds to basic, you might be a computer guru:laugh:.

Well done in the league game. Bloody bloodbath.:confused:

[tzutzy]

Two open games today, losses. Good armour seems to not pay off, so must reshuffle again...:wacko:
http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/Matahl_CZ2.bmphttp://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/Matahl_CZ.bmp

[The Fifth Horseman]

Personal Armour works most of the time, unless you're a specist (ie play only human soldiers) and need a flying scout.

[tzutzy]

Must've done something wrong with my pictures as I can't edit my post and it's too wide. Also forgot to include the opponent's name: Matahl(CZ).

I think the issue with the armours is all about the style of your play and the weapons/strategy chosen. The personal armour is not a good bang for the buck but it'll do I guess. These last 2 matches I've seen very good uses of plasma, which seems to go through the armour like there's no tomorrow, but then when I tried to use it my aiming is very bad, although I use all the positives (crouch, one hand free, etc). My tournament game was lost because I used HE instead of AP ammo. I chose HE because of the splash effect as I was missing shots all the time.

[patrone]

I won an open one against Zulaf

[The Fifth Horseman]

My tournament game was lost because I used HE instead of AP ammo. I chose HE because of the splash effect as I was missing shots all the time.
FYI, I'm using it all the time. It's an even toss between being insanely useful and a threat to your own troops (if I had a penny for every time one of my troops blew himself or herself up with it...).

[AlumiuN]

In our tournament match, one of tzutzy's troops blew himself up with one of the 12 gauge rifles with incendiary ammo - that he stole off one of my dead guy's bodies. Does that count for two pennies? :laugh: I prefer IN because it's cheaper and I'm a pyromaniac. :)

Tzutzy, what are the accuracy values on your troops that used the plasma weapons? That could be the reason. After all, I remember you saying that you maxed them out on health and stamina. I think you have to multiply the accuracy % of the weapon and the firing accuracy of the player to get the accuracy score that shows up in the shot menu. :)

[The Fifth Horseman]

Personally I always max out the accuracy and then put some points in TU. My only trooper with boosted Health is the scout with Flying Suit - since he's the fire magnet, he needs maximum survivability.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Stats updated up to Intri's registration.

[tzutzy]

It was the initial losses against The5thHorseman that lead me to appreciate the HE, because I was missing my shots all the time. All my gunners have got max firing accuracy, have got two handed weapons (usually good accuracy ones), have got nothing in their other hand and they crouch. Can't get more accuracy than this and I still missed a couple of important shots that really mattered.

I maxed my troops in shooting accuracy, then TUs, then health. Kept energy to minimum that's why my men stop in the middle of the action all the time :). Now I'm still maxed in accuracy but devote more attention to health instead of TUs.

I actually had 2 men commit suicide in my tournament game. Oh well, some weapons have got their upsides and downsides...

Not to worry... I'm down to plasma/mutons now, gotta try it (was a killing combination in those 2 open games), then move along to something new...:nuts:

[patrone]

Guys I tried some stuff with HE. I had a lot of problems with "Nontech" cause hes using high armoured troops. Once I hit him directly with a missile and he survived. They nearly survived everything! (flying armour) So I decided to make some tests. It seems that a direct hit from an exploding weapon does less damage than the explosion himself. An Ethereal even survived a direct hit from an autocannon with HE only lossing about 10 armour points, but 3 guys standing directly beside him died!!! So HE ammo is very important (rocket or autocannon depends on way of playing) but u need at least one guy who can blow up the battlefield.
Now the point why Explosion are usefull: normaly a weapon does damage equal to the weapon stats given (first deducting it from the armour), but sometimes theres some additional damage. The way my experiments ended show that the blast do extra damage more often!!! ;)
P.S.1 When does the stats get updated (im still not in the league list...)
P.S.2 thanks tutzy, now im fine with making the screenshots

[The Fifth Horseman]

P.S.1 When does the stats get updated (im still not in the league list...)
Sorry. I updated the stats partially (still a few matches left to add), but didn't notice your registration. !^_^

[patrone]

didnt notice my registration hrmpf... ok, now the funny stuff: just played a game against SuperMooDuck and he quit after the second turn, cause he had lost already 4 out of 6 men :) kinda sucks when players cant accept their fate

[Intri]

I've won with K02. Attached file should work but can guarrant it.

[K02]

Won open against Marillion (quite sure he is not in the league)
I was in a tight spot but he blew himself up (I think)
if anyone cares to explain... replay as attachment
Had to zip to attach...
Intri massacred me

[Intri]

Intri massacred me
Well...It could be massacre if you wouldn't be able to kill any of my units :)
With 3 kills it is quite nice score.

I Won match with patrone - it was fight to last soldier almost (won 2:0).

[tzutzy]

Guys I tried some stuff with HE. I had a lot of problems with "Nontech" cause hes using high armoured troops. Once I hit him directly with a missile and he survived. They nearly survived everything! (flying armour) So I decided to make some tests. It seems that a direct hit from an exploding weapon does less damage than the explosion himself. An Ethereal even survived a direct hit from an autocannon with HE only lossing about 10 armour points, but 3 guys standing directly beside him died!!! So HE ammo is very important (rocket or autocannon depends on way of playing) but u need at least one guy who can blow up the battlefield.
Now the point why Explosion are usefull: normaly a weapon does damage equal to the weapon stats given (first deducting it from the armour), but sometimes theres some additional damage. The way my experiments ended show that the blast do extra damage more often!!! ;)
P.S.1 When does the stats get updated (im still not in the league list...)
P.S.2 thanks tutzy, now im fine with making the screenshots
I had the same problem against high armour flying troops. They survived everything, even the big HE rocket with 120 damage. The problem when fighting against flyers is that HE and AP are the same because if you miss the HE shot, it won't bounce on anything so the explosion will never go off, so in the end I think it's better to use AP against flyers. The problem there is you really need some good weapons and very good aiming to do it. Also you can't use grenades on flyers.

[patrone]

actually it is possible. u have to be in a higher position (floater with rocket launcher ) and shoot down. so if u even miss slightly u hit the ground ( or just aim for it, even better). there are buildings nearly everywhere and the point is that even when a flyer is 1-2 levels beyound ground level the explosion hits him ( explosion goes up as well!!!) and thats the clue! I checked that, but im always forgetting about it during the fights and still aim directly :/

[Eagle of Fire]

I had the same problem against high armour flying troops. They survived everything, even the big HE rocket with 120 damage. The problem when fighting against flyers is that HE and AP are the same because if you miss the HE shot, it won't bounce on anything so the explosion will never go off, so in the end I think it's better to use AP against flyers. The problem there is you really need some good weapons and very good aiming to do it. Also you can't use grenades on flyers.

They are easy to down. Thing is, armor don't work like in UFO. Armor is cumulative in UFO 2000. As long as you keep hitting the same place (like front or rear) you'll go thru the armor quite quickly. Any guy with an auto setting will kill someone in a flying armor with an auto shot at blank range.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Three games against Nontech

[tzutzy]

They are easy to down. Thing is, armor don't work like in UFO. Armor is cumulative in UFO 2000. As long as you keep hitting the same place (like front or rear) you'll go thru the armor quite quickly. Any guy with an auto setting will kill someone in a flying armor with an auto shot at blank range.
That's what I plan to use now, auto plasma shots. They can be really powerful. But if I miss my shots again, I'm back to square 1. And can't get too close to the flyers otherwise my ass is fried :)

[patrone]

won 2 open ones against SuperMooDuck

[patrone]

won and lost one against Intri. hell post the other screenshot

[Intri]

One won with nontech, one victory and one defeath with patrone. (He made attachement so I will place only my winning here).

[patrone]

won 2 and lost ( i think 2..) against NSP! he will send the other screens

[tzutzy]

Two open wins against gkar 2000. Lots of misses on both parts, but I think he missed a bit more :amused:
I had a lucky shot on one of his men which wiped out 75% of his squad. I love my HE missile :)...


http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/gkar2000.bmp

Second:




http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/gkar2000_.bmp

And to reattach the second open loss against Matahl(CZ) which didn't show properly in my previous post:

http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/Matahl_CZ.bmp

[patrone]

won against crystal :)

[crysta1]

Foiled by a landmine at the 11th hour.
Nice game Patrone.

CRysta1

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/441546edm775bbafc/bc/UFO2000+losses/110908+L+Patrone.jpg?bfJESyIBDLhFVfSB

[crysta1]

hey, how do I get a large image in my post instead of a hyperlink guys?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Using [IMG] tags.

[patrone]

won against nontech... FINALLY i have a clue how to get his Armoured Army!!!

[tzutzy]

won against nontech... FINALLY i have a clue how to get his Armoured Army!!!
Please share it with us. I'm dying to know... literally :)

[patrone]

Please share it with us. I'm dying to know... literally :)

Actually I changed my team to the following:
1 Stormtrooper = Ethereal with HE autocannon
2 light scouts = sectoids with mines and magnum (magnum has high damage for low cost and mines block ways)
1 heavy scout = snakeman with mine, laser rifle and smoke gren ( can fight if necessary and not only die. His armour allows him to survive the first shoot nearly always)
1 heavy artillery = floater with rocket launcher and plasma knife (2 x small rocket, 1 x heavy rocket)
1 sniper = floater with laser sniper

Tactic: Since I noticed that EVERYBODY likes to rush wildly into the enemys territory it is an easy game with such a team. The point is that people who tend to use high armoured troops are easy to flank because the have less man in the field(mostly). Thats the purpose of the ethereal. sniper and artillery stand at back in high level and move at last every turn. Scouts block paths redirecting the enemy, preventing the enemy from flank attacks and flanking by themselves. Mostly I use one scout as a bait. And NEVER attack through the central way. I changed my sniper to laser cause it is enough to melt down the flying armour. The rockets do not only do a lot of damage but the smoke prevents the enemy from seeing you (and the scouts who spotted them can hide during that time). Everybody likes to use exploding weapons and everybody has at least one guy with an autocannon HE in his team. Problem-> its hard to hit with that weapon directly from middle or great distances, so flying units are mostly recommended because the bullets cant hit anything in the air except the unit :) gives a lot more chances to survive. The mines: if somebody is using them he or she should train a little with them first. Im using them all the time and still it sometimes happens that I forget about the ceiling and end like sitting with one scout in front of my own mine :/ but believe me, I won a lot of games only through the mines. In the end people tend to forget about them (u never should!) and when its up to 1v1 and finding the enemy, they nearly always stumble upon one that was left. Also recommended: throw them where they cant be seen, around corners or place them in front of entrances to buildings from ur side :) hehe
In my first match (tournament one) I lost to Nontech because I hit him a lot of times but my weapons were doing to low damage. That changed and never forget that even if the flying armour guy is still alive, after a hit with a laser sniper or missile he will be injured and wont hit anything with his autocannon directly anymore (flying units again).
That was all. Nontech wondered why I could shoot 2 times in one turn with my rocket launcher. Actually one was in his turn :) rocket launchers dont take much time to shoot and reload instead magnetic fusion ones or gren launchers. But gren launchers give u the opportunity to have more ammo. The ammo point is why the rocket guy has a knife. After he shoot his ammo he changes to a flying scout and starts to look for a nice weapon from somebody whos dead :)
ok. Thatss it. Puhhhh

[patrone]

Please share it with us. I'm dying to know... literally :)

and heres another victory against nontech :) ill post the replay as well so u can analyze it Tzutzy

[patrone]

got my ass kicked by Intri2 in two games. Then got him in the third :)

[Intri]

Won twice with Patrone and lost once (as he mentioned above). All matches were nice :max:
It would be nice if someone updated statistics in first post.

[Balthasar]

Win Against Nontech

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9495/vsnontechqr6.th.gif (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsnontechqr6.gif)

Open loss against FUEL 2 (no screen)...

[Intri]

Won with patrone. Almost I would lost but in situation: 2 his men and one mine
my mighty (and damaged) unit survived:thumbs:

[tzutzy]

Ok, I will analyse the replay :thumbs:, thanks.
I now switched to 3 mutons as main force, 2 floaters (scouts) all 5 with plasma rifles, then the cowardly sectoid is at the back, loaded with 1 HE big missile. So far this team's been doing a bit better than the others, but I think the opposition matters as well. And your idea of sniper and missile launcher guys being flyers is not bad, but I don't think I can have enough cash for that. I really don't like using sectoids, they're just too weak (no armour).

Here's an open win against Fuel chat.

http://www.geocities.com/tzutzy/Fuel_chat.bmp

[Intri]

Won with K02. (does league still working?)

[patrone]

seems like the league is dead. nobody is updating the stats. perhaps a separate page for the league would be more appropriate.

[Dave]

Nahh, Horseman is busy at the moment ;)
However if he won't find time to update stats I'll do it for him.
But now I want to see more fights here! :OK:

P.S. I've added patrone and Eagle of Fire to list of substitutes, mrmonk & PrejudiceSucks are vanished and there aren't new recruits at the moment, so if you are still interested it's likely you'll participate again.

[The Fifth Horseman]

I'm busy, sorry, will update the stats tomorrow.

[patrone]

Its always nice to receive at leat a note if someones too busy to update the stats :) thx

[K02]

ye patrone forgot to mention that he beat me close last night.

[patrone]

I thought the league isnt working anymore so I didnt took a pic. But me and my NEW nice team rocked well today :) Intri was beaten up like hell! see the pic, HA!

[patrone]

victory against Balthasar. Dunno if the system is ok, cause not everybody is verifying the games.

[Intri]

Dunno if the system is ok, cause not everybody is verifying the games.
I can confirm your last winning with me if it will change something:D

[Dave]

Tournament News

Server: ufo2000.kostax.cz

Remember, this is not official...try to not overload it too much ok?

[Balthasar]

No, patrone didn't won...he is a liar...:bleh:

Just a joke...although i think i didn't made it to easy for him, i guess i'm to bad in that game :doh:..

Greets B.

[Intri]

ufo2000.xcomufo.com:2000 is working again :) I guess it was temporary break (but possible to happen again). I suggest to check its activity through status page (http://ufo2000.xcomufo.com:2000/) before launching the game, and then, if it isn't working, to change login server to backup one.

[patrone]

I have won and (most probably ) lost a game against Fuel. heres my victory and we have to finish the other one...

[patrone]

the last pic was quite bad. here it is again in better quali

[Intri]

Two wins with AlumiuN. I'm posting them with awareness that the league is not working :worried:

[Dave]

Go ahead with matches, stats will be updated sooner or later ;)
Also, Tasoth has joined the league, he is having problems with his account at the moment. :OK:

[Trolly 2]

I could join the league. I hope I understood the stuff correctly. Although, I have a question. Are there any other particular rules? (team cost for example)

[Tomekk]

Check out the first page...first post.... :doh:

[Trolly 2]

I may not be too confident right now, but I'm not stupid :). Did it, but it said nothing about the team cost. Only weaponsets and how the rank or something is calculated. I take it from there, that the rest is all negotiable with an opponent.

EDIT: Sorry, my bad. Point limit is not restricted :). I kinda missed that.

[nontech]

victory against FUEL.

[gufu1992]

Say... would this be possible to join?

[Lee Townage]

I too, would also like to join

[AlumiuN]

And if he joins, then I believe this is a league win. :)

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4905/leaguevsleetownagedp6.th.jpg (http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=leaguevsleetownagedp6.jpg)http://img388.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

EDIT: Sorry about the horrible compression. Make sure you take a look at Lee's Damage Taken. Our scores together don't come to that. *scratches head* Why doesn't stun damage show up on my Damage Inflicted?

[TheChosen]

Me vs Lee. Best match I ever had.

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/235/thechosenvsleetownagetx0.jpg

[Lee Townage]

Yep aluminum kicked my ass, and I totally kicked Chosen's ass, but then when we were down to 1 v 1 I wandered into a mine :P

[Lee Townage]

I should have kept screenshot with chosen, becaue I could have swore I had slightly different results, although in the end he still won :P

[TheChosen]

To correct Lee, It was I who kicked ass and won the match.

And no, the image hasnt been altered. What makes you think that?

On a side note: The last guy who you had to kill just ran out of ammo....

[AlumiuN]

Thems be some big damage. :D

@Lee: Using the big 12-gauges yet?

[Lee Townage]

I still need to tweak my weapon selections a little, would be nice if the "League Sanctioned Battles" had some limits like specific point and soldier limits :P Maybe I will just make my own league... I have a lifetime hosting account thats just sitting there... Been meaning to create some sort of meaningful webpage on it... Hmmmmm

[AlumiuN]

Would you like me to assist you? (after all, I did own you) :D

[Popkiev]

oookaaaay. Do you people still play? Cause If there's anyone active in the league, I'd like to challenge that somebody.

[AlumiuN]

I know I'm still active, and I think there's a few other still active as well. Where do you live? (I'm not in Australia, BTW)

[Popkiev]

Poland, which is Europe, for those who weren't listening at geography classes. :)
But I'm able to log on in different times, just a matter of knowing when I can find somebody.

[AlumiuN]

You're exactly half a day behind me, then. I would offer you a game this weekend, but I'm going to be in a small town with no internet access. :p