Red Baron II/3D

[LCJr]

Posted this on AR but it's probably better posted here.

Sierra Germany has made the German language version of Red Baron II available.
http://www.sierra.com/de/home/games/game_info.tab-downloaddetail.prod-L2NvbnRlbnQvc2llcnJhL2RlL3Byb2R1Y3RzL3JlZF9iYXJvbl 8zZA==.platform-global.download-FullGames-12115.html

Instructions here on how to get patched up to Red Baron 3D and mostly in English.
http://www.jasta5.org/Jagdstaffeln_5/red_baron_j5_3d.htm

If you're not familiar with the troubled history of Red Baron II/3D the short version is shortly after II was released the 3D version came out. Sierra then put out a "super patch" for the people who bought RB II to upgrade it to 3D.

Some extra links.

Polovski's site. Good info on Glide wrappers so you can play the game in 3D if you don't have a 3dfx Voodoo card laying around:)
http://www.polovski.com/RB3D.htm

Society of WW I Sim Artisians. Home of the Western Front Patch(mod) and several others.
http://www.swwisa.net/

vonOben's. Has several older files including Beery's UOP. Spent a lot of time playing Beery's back in the day.
http://vonoben.free.fr/

Hell's Angels Super Patch. If you're not familiar with RB mods and using the Campaign Manager this is the mod to use. Just install, patch and play.
http://www.hellsangels.firstflare.com/main.htm

[gregor]

hmm it seems the patch changes the language to english. does that mean we could add the game to the site?

hmm somehow pics look better than i remember them...

i also remember getting to some corrupt save where it kept on crashing...

[Luchsen]

You were initially right, it's a matter for AR. Nice to hear, though. :cool:

[Ermuli]

So...is Red Baron II (english version) abandonware? Perhaps suitable for ISO Cellar? :)

[LCJr]

@gregor It looks better because those screenshots are from mods. Pretty much all the sounds, graphics, 3d models, flight models, damage models and even some of the maps have been overhauled. Surprisingly after all this time there's still some life in the modding community.

@Luchsen Why should it be on AR? It's former commercial title not a new game or remake.

@Ermuli I've looked at the rest of the Sierra sites and only Germany has it for download.

[_r.u.s.s.]

it doesn't matter i guess. if germany can have it for free, then it's probably not sold anymore. and if it's sold anymore and even the publishers offer it for free for some people and rip off retailers, seriously, what do we care

and i also agree on AR part with LCJr. i hate when an old game gets released "freeware" and now it should go to reloaded?! No. it's not that it was a remake, or some game maker made a freeware game, the game is a normal commercial game that used to be sold and now they decided to give it free for everybody, release freeware. now every game that is on abandonia gets released freeware, we move the games away to reloaded? that's just retarded

[Dave]

I understand what you mean, there are two kinds of Freeware games.
They told us to deal with them in the same way, I think we could change our Modus Operandi.

[Luchsen]

Like David said: executive order. I never appreciated it - for the moving reason russ closed his post with.

[LCJr]

Like David said: executive order. I never appreciated it - for the moving reason russ closed his post with.

That is an odd and confusing way of doing things. If they stand by that decision you've got several Sierra games that need moved. Sierra has a habit of releasing old games as freeware to promote new games in the series.

Back on topic if the powers that be decide RB II/3D is fair game I still have my original Red Baron 3D(English language) disc. Wouldn't be too much effort to make an iso.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Personally, I don't see a problem with formerly commercial games which have later been released as freeware to be put up on Abandonia.

[_r.u.s.s.]

that's my man

[Dave]

....ok, from now on we will approve them, but we didn't check if it's sold, and unfortunately there are many Red-Baron sold at Amazon => Link (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_vg?url=search-alias%3Dvideogames&field-keywords=red+baron&x=0&y=0)

[The Fifth Horseman]

If a game has been certifiably released as freeware, it is irrelevant whether it is sold or not.

[Dave]

Ok, that's good, so little summary:
Are both Freeware?

[LCJr]

All the copies of RB II and RB 3D on Amazon are used. Red Baron Arcade is a new title that is some sort of top down shooter. What's odd is they have new copies of the orginal Red Baron in various compilations and it was released as freeware close to 10 years ago to promote RB II/3D.

As a sidenote be cautious of purchasing copies of RB II. Sierra(at the time Havas-Cendant) always seemed to be a little hostile to the RB community after the takeover. A few years down the road they released a "value" edition of RB II that could not be upgraded with the 3D superpatch. Pretty asinine if you ask me to have someone intentionally disable a game from being patched years after you destroyed the original developer.

Ah yes the internet soap opera that was Red Baron II/3D.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Ok, that's good, so little summary:
Are both Freeware? Looks like that.