What Is Your Bittorrent Share Ratio?

[Iowa]

While I'm not sure if your share ratio affects availability of quality torrents (except maybe with private trackers, but I've never had to register at one), it is always a good thing to give back at least as much as you take. In my case, I give back far more than I take...hoorah.

But what's your ratio? Are you a selfless seeder, or a thoughtless leecher?

And just to keep this topic from merely being a take-up-space sort of thing, what do you think of Bittorrent in general (IE: the lawsuits, the MPAA, the piracy)?

I personally think it's all right to use Bittorrent as long as you're not attempting to make a profit on your downloading or anything such as that...

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Iowa's share ratio as of 9/6/07 - 2.87

[_r.u.s.s.]

my ratio is 1.3 but its caused by my crappy DSL upload speed. and my pc is online almost every day, seeding

[The Fifth Horseman]

I'm trying to get as close to 3x as possible unless there is almost no downloader activity for a torrent for a longer while.
For private trackers I try higher ratios, if possible.

[Mighty Midget]

Right now it's 2-3, but getting above 3 soon, overall. I had to reinstall the client and all statistics went with the old installation. But for each torrent it varies from 0.5 to 12, depending on how many downloaders there are out there
Not only do I think it's perfectly fine to seed, but the whole torent system would break down if everyone just leeched. I'm tired of all those tons of torrents with only downloaders and no uploaders. Those torrents are worthless junk.

Personally, I couldn't care less about the legal aspect. No excuses for downloading or anything. I simply do not care. If "they" want to bust me for it, fine. But I still don't care one bit. I know there is this "moral issue" here but again, I just don't care.

[Japo]

I downloaded through torrent just once, and I tried to get at least 100% after my one download was finished but nobody would request the same download so after a long time I finally turned it off and that was the last time I used a torrent. I haven't voted since I can't say I'm a torrent user.

Just a thought however. Uploading more than you download IS the right thing to do BUT I wouldn't feel so saintly because of it. After all you're doing it so that the system YOU use for YOUR own benefit stays viable, so you're primarily doing it for an ultimately selfish reason.

Still last time I checked there was nothing wrong about acting to one's own benefit, or about establishing a system based on mutual consent that benefits all involved parties at the same time. Just that I wouldn't count this for one's merits for Paradise.

:)

[_r.u.s.s.]

you dont do it "so your systems stays viable", you do it cause you dont want to be an Canalis Analis and share the soft with others=)

[Japo]

You do it because if nobody did it then nobody would be able to download anything, and nobody excludes everybody including you, that's what I mean with viability. But I didn't say "your" system, I said "the system you use", the system isn't yours.

[_r.u.s.s.]

wait, no, its not that you thought about what would you get. of course you download it cause you want it, but then you could just easily delete it from your hard drive as an annonymous person, but you think about others and seed for them. has nothing to do with a thought about you

btw im not quite sure what you mean with the system thing

[Japo]

This is my last post so as not to hijack the topic, :D I'll try to explain me better. I'm talking about the long term. Once you've got the files you want, you can stop sharing them and still you got what you want. BUT you know that these files are not the last ones you may be willing to download before the end of time. And you know that if everybody acted like you with their own files (some of them you don't have and you may want in the future) and didn't share more than grab, the next time you try to download other different files, you won't be able because nobody will be seeding enough.

So everybody shares in the hope that everybody else does likewise and the torrent network/system stays viable, that is in order for them to be able to download next time (not the files they already finished downloading). Sorry I can't make myself clearer than this.

EDIT: Oh wait MM said it as well in very simple terms:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mighty Midget @ Sep 6 2007, 04:14 PM) 309272</div>Not only do I think it's perfectly fine to seed, but the whole torent system would break down if everyone just leeched.[/b]

[_r.u.s.s.]

but its not that it was "for you", its called empathy :P
you, as a random leecher could just delete every torrent after downloading it. but you seed it cause you think of others and dont want them to end up without seeds, you dont seed for "future torrents". its not that you thought about yourself when you seeded, cause you just dont have to

[wq15]

I try to seed as much as possible, I know how happy I am when I get something I want, so I would like to spread the same happiness

[Iowa]

Yeah...and you all know that sometimes you have to use Bittorrent to get something. Last time I checked, a copy of "Typing of the Dead" was nowhere to be found on Ebay or any computer store I know of...so I torrented it.

It's simply the best typing software I've ever used! :w00t:

[gregor]

oh, i just stop the download once it's finished.

i download during night and in th emorning if it's already 100% i switch it off. :D

[_r.u.s.s.]

oh, whats your ip you say? :ph34r:

[Japo]

OK I'll put it this way. Nobody installs and has a torrent client running only seeding if he never plans to download anything for himself. If that's the case he won't install it in the first place. So it's not primarily about empathy because if it was even people who never download for their own use would do just that. :sneaky:

[_r.u.s.s.]

why wouldnt you download too? like i said you, as a random leecher could just delete every torrent after downloading it. but you seed it cause you think of others and dont want them to end up without seeds, you dont seed for "future torrents". its not that you thought about yourself when you seeded, cause you just dont have to[/b]

[Japo]

The starting point of my argument is that you don't want to download for yourself i.e. there's nothing out there that you want. For whatever reason, it's an hypothesis --a very likely one since millions of people don't use torrents, *raises hand*, *all his family members raise hands*. The hypothesis can't be disproven because it's not a conclusion, it's the starting point.

So, provided that person X doesn't want anything from the torrent network, if it was empathy his main motivation as you say, he might still install a torrent client and download things he doesn't want and will never use but that he knows people want, and just seed all the time. Since that never happens, my point.

END :whistling:

[Tulac]

Mine is below 0.3. Why? Because I have limited bandwith and I can only spend 5GB/month so I can't waste bandwith on seeding, and I barely download much from torrents anyway.

[GTX2GvO]

Well, if I Download a Torrent file (and that's a big IF), I actually don't use BitTorrent or IT'S likes.
I use Shareaza (http://www.shareaza.com). It supports BitTorrent downloading. Uploading them gives me problems.

OK, I DO upload During the download, but at the moment I'm finished downloading, the uploading stops. <_<
So it would have NO point in keeping the Torrent. Hence the fact that I only upload 10% of my Torrent downloads.

But these Downloads DO suddenly apear on eD2K & Gnutella 1&2 all of the sudden.
And in that case I upload WAY MORE than that I download. ;)

[Iowa]

I have limited bandwith and I can only spend 5GB/month [/b]
Well, that's perfectly understandable...I have cable and no bandwith cap.

I use Azureus, personally...Best. Client. Ever. :titan:

[_r.u.s.s.]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Sep 7 2007, 06:06 PM) 309541</div>
The starting point of my argument is that you don't want to download for yourself i.e. there's nothing out there that you want. For whatever reason, it's an hypothesis --a very likely one since millions of people don't use torrents, *raises hand*, *all his family members raise hands*. The hypothesis can't be disproven because it's not a conclusion, it's the starting point.

So, provided that person X doesn't want anything from the torrent network, if it was empathy his main motivation as you say, he might still install a torrent client and download things he doesn't want and will never use but that he knows people want, and just seed all the time. Since that never happens, my point.

END :whistling:
[/b]
but you CAN want something. that doesnt block you from sharing it with others. but you seriously dont have to do it. its just your free will. it has nothing to do with you future or past downloads

[balduin]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iowa @ Sep 8 2007, 03:18 AM) 309640</div>
I use Azureus, personally...Best. Client. Ever. :titan:
[/b]
I started out with Azureus, too. Then I switched to uTorrent because it's much more resource-friendly. That JavaVM takes way too much RAM.

[velik_m]

Under 1 - so other people can have higher ratios and feel good about themselfs.

[Iowa]

That JavaVM takes way too much RAM.[/b]
I've got 2 gigs, so I don't really need to worry about it. Honestly, everyone's excuse for not using Azureus is because they say it's 'bloatware' when in fact they themselves just need a RAM upgrade.

@Velik: And the rest of us thank you for the ego boost! :D

[Havell]

My ratio isn't too good, utorrent tells me it's 0.673. This isn't through lack of trying though.

I get lots of my torrents from an invite only, private tracker site where seeders outnumber downloaders by 100 to 1 in many (most) cases. It's therefore damn near impossible for me to get anything uploaded with a few dozen other seeders with faster connections than me giving any downloaders the files before I get a look in. This is annoying, since it's one of those sites that tracks your ratio and regulates how much you can download by it; I've built up enough uploading to tide me over for a long time throguh seeder rarer files and holding onto all of the things I've downloaded from there ever, in the hope that a couple of them will upload.

I like to concentrate my seeding on rarer things, which I leave there indefinitely and have pretty good ratios on (over 6 and rising in most cases).

[Iowa]

Yeah...and if you're having trouble seeding you could always try downloading from [BEEEP], you know. It's an awesome site, but it's public so there're a lot of leechers...

Sorry, no torrent sites -- TFH

[bobson]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Havell @ Sep 10 2007, 01:42 AM) 309950</div>
I like to concentrate my seeding on rarer things, which I leave there indefinitely and have pretty good ratios on (over 6 and rising in most cases).
[/b]

That is also my idea - if something is rare - I share a lot, if it's something with 100+ seeders, I share only 12 hours.

My ratio is about 2,3, and I would like it to pass over 3

[Japo]

OMG I'm getting such a lame download speed for the file I'm downloading right now that my ratio is 154% and I have only 7% of the file myself. :yawn:

[Titan]

Mine is set to share 100% within 2 hours of compleation. So once the torrent is done, and no others are qued, it'll share up to 100% but a maximum of 2 hours. This is to rotate the que a bit and conserv MY intrests.

[Dave]

Mine is around 0.8 and rising, I want to reach a good 1.5 / 2.

[bobson]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Titan @ Sep 26 2007, 09:16 PM) 313326</div>
Mine is set to share 100% within 2 hours of compleation. So once the torrent is done, and no others are qued, it'll share up to 100% but a maximum of 2 hours. This is to rotate the que a bit and conserv MY intrests.
[/b]

Thinking only about yourself is BAD :banned:

[gregor]

well, i am sharing the line with others so it's not fair to clog it up only for me. hence the night shift.

[Japo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bob-satan @ Sep 28 2007, 07:03 AM) 313567</div>Thinking only about yourself is BAD :banned:[/b]
No it's not (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand) :bleh:

[_r.u.s.s.]

give me your bank account number with password for YOUR OWN good japrofan, plz :D

[Japo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(_r.u.s.s. @ Sep 28 2007, 10:56 PM) 313743</div>give me your bank account number with password for YOUR OWN good japrofan, plz :D[/b]
OK I'll see to it once it's empty, since I'm not happy with my current bank. :D