Your Combination Of Pc Protection...

[ianfreddie07]

Yeah I know there are many similar topics to this but unfortunately they are out-of-date. Times are changing and I want to know what combination of programs do you have on your PC. Mine are:

1. Avast! AntiVirus 4.7
2. COMODO Firewall Pro
3. Spyware Doctor

How about yours? And also, what would you recommend for PC protection?

[_r.u.s.s.]

another thread duplicate? :D oh well
kaspersky
no firewall, vulnerable ports closed
spybot s&d

[Japo]

Comodo Firewall Pro. A personal firewall is good even if you have a hardware one.

Avira AntiVir.

Spyware Terminator. Includes HIPS.

Comodo BOClean.

But most important, be sensible. Don't open spam attachments and scan everything you get from fishy sources including P2P.

[Dave]

Linux-Ubuntu :whistling:

[ianfreddie07]

I'm easily swayed by user opinions. Spyware Doctor was a resource hog. Now I have both Spybot & Ad-Aware 2007

[Mighty Midget]

AVG, Spybot S&D + Ad-Aware. I can't remember why I stopped usig Avira but it might as well have been for a reason of sorts.

[Abi79]

BitDefender Antivirus Plus v10. Anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall, all in one.

[gregor]

Spybot S&D, AviraAntivir and Comodo.

My internet now works nonstop, but for some reason my grandfather has problems with it - not working even if he restarts the computer.... :(

[ianfreddie07]

maybe the internet hates your grandpa LOL

[Eagle of Fire]

Spyware Doctor was a resource hog.[/b]
The new version does and is crap. Use an older version and just update the list once in a while...

[Scatty]

Avira AntiVir
ZoneLabs ZoneAlarm as firewall (good and easy-to-use one)
Spyware Doctor, disabled and not running for the above-mentioned reason, activated once in a while to scan the computer for adware

[gregor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ianfreddie07 @ Aug 27 2007, 07:20 AM) 306952</div>
maybe the internet hates your grandpa LOL
[/b]


no, his provider sucks. managed to get me over 50.000 attempts to break into my computer in a month.
they dont' supply firewalls and they dont' care much about it....

[Eagle of Fire]

I fail to understand how it would be the provider responsability to see to the use of firewalls and PC protections... Unless you mean it in a way that would provide protection to the provider own servers?

[gregor]

it's not. that's why many in their network have infected PC.

But we have some providers that give you a nice little CD with Antivirus on and some free firewall. and explain you nicelly why that is good for you and stuff.

So i will assume that they will also take care of dangers on their side. which they do.

and i am connected elsewhere to that provider and i got like 70 attempts to break in out of which 0 were serious. also no problems with connection speed or anything similar.

[Pietafon]

My "Holy Trio" is:
Opera
SpyBot S&D
Avast! Home Edition

[jg007]

call me paranoid -

Spybot
Adaware
Zonealarm
Windows Defender ( as ocasional scan )
Windows live safety scanner (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) ( ocasionally )
Router with SPI and firewall
Finjan secure browsing IE add on
Secunia Software inspector (https://psi.secunia.com/)

and .. various other online scans on an occasional basis ( pc pitstop etc )

[STFM]

Hardware firewall + firefox + HijackThis. That is all.

[gregor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Aug 30 2007, 01:04 AM) 307660</div>
Hardware firewall + firefox + HijackThis. That is all.
[/b]


wow you are almost wide open. Hardware firewall isn't really any good.

[Icewolf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gregor @ Aug 30 2007, 07:40 AM) 307680</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Aug 30 2007, 01:04 AM) 307660Hardware firewall + firefox + HijackThis. That is all.[/b]wow you are almost wide open. Hardware firewall isn't really any good.[/b][/quote]Properly configurated it's more effective than ANY software.

[_r.u.s.s.]

and with hijack this he can see all his ports/programs used by them

[jg007]

the dos command ' netstat -b -v -a ' is good for that also although i'm not too sure how well it works for those sneaky trojan's :), it also only shows the ip's

[STFM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gregor @ Aug 30 2007, 03:40 PM) 307680</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Aug 30 2007, 01:04 AM) 307660
Hardware firewall + firefox + HijackThis. That is all.
[/b]


wow you are almost wide open. Hardware firewall isn't really any good.
[/b][/quote]

Funny, good enough for all the banks I contract for

[Luchsen]

Avira AntiVir (I thought I have Norton AntiVirus :blink: )
Check Point ZoneAlarm Pro

[Icewolf]

:tai: Doon't. Uuuse. NOOOOOORTOOOOON!!!! :titan:

Norton is such a crap and they really ask for money to let you use their services and spam your harddisk and upload it to the international "scan-for-private-stuff"-server! :omg2:
OK the last statement isn't true... ;)

[gregor]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Aug 31 2007, 01:25 AM) 307896</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gregor @ Aug 30 2007, 03:40 PM) 307680
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Aug 30 2007, 01:04 AM) 307660
Hardware firewall + firefox + HijackThis. That is all.
[/b]


wow you are almost wide open. Hardware firewall isn't really any good.
[/b][/quote]

Funny, good enough for all the banks I contract for
[/b][/quote]


what good is firewall if you get a worm? i once got it and it kept on mutliplying itself. as soon as i did a virus scan files were found and removed, but in the mean time new were made. finnally i got it off when i found a programme on the net.

another time i seen firewall alone to fail was at work. with some sophicsticated firewalls and antivirus programes, some malware attached to my computer (still have no idea how) and started to pop up nasty pr0n sites. they cleaned it afterwards, by locating the source and deleting it.

so i think one still needs virus protection programme.

especially if you are sharing :D

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David86 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:25 AM) 306627</div>
Linux-Ubuntu :whistling:
[/b]

+1.

Viruses? PC protection?!? Who worries about that anymore? :ph34r:

[ianfreddie07]

I do. Any objections?

[Japo]

For security questions I like to resort to Comodo's forums. Of course there are many other good non-affiliated security forums, but I just went there to get help for their firewall. And they happen to be specially helpful and if you ask about their products even the company's CEO is likely to answer, :blink: and the boards are very nicely made. In the stickies you'll find info about multi-layered security and hardware and software firewalls.

[STFM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gregor @ Aug 31 2007, 06:50 PM) 307940</div>
what good is firewall if you get a worm? i once got it and it kept on mutliplying itself. as soon as i did a virus scan files were found and removed, but in the mean time new were made. finnally i got it off when i found a programme on the net.

another time i seen firewall alone to fail was at work. with some sophicsticated firewalls and antivirus programes, some malware attached to my computer (still have no idea how) and started to pop up nasty pr0n sites. they cleaned it afterwards, by locating the source and deleting it.

so i think one still needs virus protection programme.

especially if you are sharing :D
[/b]

You get a worm for one of two reasons.
1. Someone finds a way into your system and plants the worm
2. A user on the inside runs software that is infected

Hardware firewalls stop number 1, I stop number 2 by not running things I dont trust. My email is scanned by my ISP too.
If someone really wanted to hack my computer Im sure they could. I dont have a static IP and only have ports 80, 443 and a few other mapped ports open. I keep my windows security updates current and use firefox. I use a dedicated VM server for all external things like chat clients so if it does get infected, I just delete it and start clean :)

Since I started using the hardware firewall and firefox, I havent had any spyware whereas before it was ridiculous! I probably should run an antivirus though.

[gregor]

I use a dedicated VM server for all external things like chat clients so if it does get infected, I just delete it and start clean :)
[/b]


Ah well now, that explains a lot...

The only hardware firewall i have enabled is the one on router. still have the software one though. because the ISP i use is having really a bad network. Plus the person using the other computer in network is not really that much computer literate. so i use software firewall to prevent anything unwanted being started from that side. :D

and it's additional protection.

[dosraider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Aug 31 2007, 11:29 PM) 308087</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David86 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:25 AM) 306627Linux-Ubuntu :whistling:[/b]
+1.
Viruses? PC protection?!? Who worries about that anymore? :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
May you enjoy your rootkits.

Shame is of course that you are a danger for everyone else.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 5 2007, 10:45 AM) 309049</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Aug 31 2007, 11:29 PM) 308087
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David86 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:25 AM) 306627Linux-Ubuntu :whistling:[/b]
+1.
Viruses? PC protection?!? Who worries about that anymore? :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
May you enjoy your rootkits.

Shame is of course that you are a danger for everyone else.
[/b][/quote]

A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.

1. A clever hacker gains access to the system remotely and installs one. Pigs will fly before this happens.

2. I unwittingly install one myself. The odds of this happening are even lower than option 1.


As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS. They are the vulnerable, and they are the ones who need worry about protection.

[Japo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) 309105</div>As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS.[/b]
Yay thanks for the insult. :ok: If you didn't like Dosraider's comment there was no need to overreact, it was enough with the arguments you provided. I'm aware of security, my machine is not a zombie thanks for asking, and since malware can't manage to bother me I'm more annoyed by aggro fanboys.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Sep 5 2007, 05:24 PM) 309109</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) 309105As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS.[/b]
Yay thanks for the insult. :ok: If you didn't like Dosraider's comment there was no need to overreact, it was enough with the arguments you provided. I'm aware of security, my machine is not a zombie thanks for asking, and since malware can't manage to bother me I'm more annoyed by aggro fanboys.
[/b][/quote]

I did not intend to be insulting. If I had, I would of used something like "mindless sheep". I know that there's a massive variety of folks who run Windows, from the very smart / very tech savvy, to those who can barely turn a PC on. "Sheep" was used simply to indicate the "follow the crowd" nature that explains why MS continues to dominate the OS landscape. I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing. The reality is it's just easier to go with the flow versus trying to paddle up stream.

Regardless of the phrasing, I'm 100% correct. The main threat to the internet and computers everywhere is wide spread exploitation of a vulnerability. Ergo, the 90-some percent of computers running Windows are the danger to us all, as they make a very tempting target.

[Japo]

No worries, I just found the word inappropriate and I still think it was so. Since the only thing I want an OS for is managing files and running programs, I see no point in paddling up stream for the sake of it. However for geeksim's sake I've thought for long about exploring Linux in a virtual machine, only that I haven't found the free time yet.

Microsoft may not have the best products possible but if it's able to keep its near monopoly that's becase, contrarily to what its haters would say, it still serves its customers satisfactorily. The clever customers and the stupid ones. IBM didn't do that with its hardware near monopoly and now that's history, sold to the Chinese, and now IBM makes only software with a minor market share.

About security, at least Vista includes some security features (like XP SP2 included a basic inbound firewall) while at the same time remaining usable for everybody. It's easy for a Linux user to laugh at the average Windows user. But the point is that non computer savvy people have the right to use their computers, but if you face them with a VIRUS.EXE - Allow/Deny popup, they'll be calling tech support. So if Linux users like to make fun at the people who know less about computers than they do, okay do so, but at the end of the day these people who don't want to be bothered about computer knowledge will still want to use their computers nonetheless. So if Linux wants to compete with Windows (yes even being for free) for this audience, it will have to provide an OS than anyone can use just like Windows; it's haughty and wrong to laugh at them and deride them, as if they hadn't the right to use a word processor or browse the Web just because they don't know about security.

Just my $0.02 :)

[STFM]

if everyone ran linux, hackers would just go and write hacks, spyware and virus's for linux. Theyd just have to work a little harder at it.

[dosraider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) 309105</div>A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.[/b]
Waw, someone who knows all about those things, I'd like to shake your hand. A real Linux specialist.
Of course you are much smarter than I am, I'm a complete n00b on those matters, I've only been some 15 years working on/with Linuxes-Unixes.

One of the many many many....
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_128745.htm
Discovery Date 11/26/1998
Now yeah, of course they're also n00bs.
What an idiots, they really think they can teach you something.
The n00bs.

I would like to thank you sincerely for that valuable info, now I can dump my Avir and mal/spy/whateverware progs. I know I'm safe now. Thank you, thank you.

I appreciate this.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 7 2007, 11:40 AM) 309536</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) 309105A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.[/b]
Waw, someone who knows all about those things, I'd like to shake your hand. A real Linux specialist.
Of course you are much smarter than I am, I'm a complete n00b on those matters, I've only been some 15 years working on/with Linuxes-Unixes.

One of the many many many....
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_128745.htm
Discovery Date 11/26/1998
Now yeah, of course they're also n00bs.
What an idiots, they really think they can teach you something.
The n00bs.

I would like to thank you sincerely for that valuable info, now I can dump my Avir and mal/spy/whateverware progs. I know I'm safe now. Thank you, thank you.

I appreciate this.
[/b][/quote]

This is from the link you provided:

Overview -

This is a trojan detection. Unlike viruses, trojans do not self-replicate. They are spread manually, often under the premise that they are beneficial or wanted. The most common installation methods involve system or security exploitation, and unsuspecting users manually executing unknown programs. Distribution channels include email, malicious or hacked web pages, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), peer-to-peer networks, etc.[/b]

It's very simple, if I'm not an idiot, I'm not going to get a rootkit on my Ubuntu box. Period.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Sep 7 2007, 01:19 AM) 309420</div>
if everyone ran linux, hackers would just go and write hacks, spyware and virus's for linux. Theyd just have to work a little harder at it.
[/b]
Very valid point. Which is the main reason I don't complain that so many people want to use Windows. Makes my life a lot easier.

[dosraider]

This is my last post about this subject, I know it's no use discutting this matters.

Article dated:
Discovery Date 11/26/1998

It was an simple example doublejack, no need to analyse that article.

We are almost 10 years later now, do you really think the devs of such stuff have been sleeping all this time?
Do you even believe yourself that Ubu is invulnerable?
Get real will you?

FYI: in the past there have even been kernels released that were infected.
Do some research and learn a bit or you only will completely ridiculize yourself.

Over and out for me.
You may play the fool by yourself now.

[Japo]

Hey Dosraider, back on topic, what about the programs that you deem effective? I'd appreciate your inpunt. :)

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 7 2007, 07:14 PM) 309624</div>
This is my last post about this subject, I know it's no use discutting this matters.

Article dated:
Discovery Date 11/26/1998

It was an simple example doublejack, no need to analyse that article.

We are almost 10 years later now, do you really think the devs of such stuff have been sleeping all this time?
Do you even believe yourself that Ubu is invulnerable?
Get real will you?

FYI: in the past there have even been kernels released that were infected.
Do some research and learn a bit or you only will completely ridiculize yourself.

Over and out for me.
You may play the fool by yourself now.
[/b]

I'll let an expert do my talking

Security is, as we all know, a process, not a product. So when you use Linux, you're not using a perfectly safe OS. There is no such thing. But Linux and Mac OS X establish a more secure footing than Microsoft Windows, one that makes it far harder for viruses to take hold in the first place, but if one does take hold, harder to damage the system, but if one succeeds in damaging the system, harder to spread to other machines and repeat the process. When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. I know which one I'll trust. How about you?[/b]

Scott Granneman is a senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. in St. Louis. He specializes in Internet Services and developing Web applications for corporate, educational, and institutional clients.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/li...indows_viruses/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/)

As one of millions and millions of regular people that are wired to the internet, I don't get anywhere near enough exposure to worry about a hacker taking an interest with my box. And all of the experts agree with me, at least the ones that aren't trying to sell protective software, if I'm not an idiot and infect my own box then I have nothing to worry about. I'll leave reading Catcher in the Rye and generating countless conspiracy theories of boogie-man hackers out to get me to those who are into that sort of thing.

[dosraider]

Oh my, one last *last* post, doublejack is too funny.
You like quotes , don't you doublejack? Don't you?
Lets see what I can find on internet, and no I won't quote you, you haven't wrote anything that's worth quoting t'll now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("A site with much more expertise-know-how and 'seniority' than some totally unknown Scott Granneman senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. from St. Louis @ but REALLY a Cie wordwide known, not some random quoting here doublejack, this is the real real real stuff")</div>
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....
security productivity good stabile fast
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....[/b]
It's on TeH internet, must be true.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...es/default.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/experiences/default.mspx)
And some zillion other reasons why MS Vista is TeH best EVAH.
So get your sorry arse on Vista doublejack, get it on it.
It's wroty-writy on TeH intehnet.

Once again my last post.

But say, doublejack, when surfing on TeH intehnet, don't you have to download bits of stuffies on your shoe-box?

Whoopsy, not shoe-box , Ubu-box, wasn't it? You're on a Ubu-box. *U*b*u*-*b*o*x*.

My last post in this topic, really.
lmao.

[_r.u.s.s.]

you v been to any chat rooms lately? :D

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 04:53 AM) 310162</div>
Oh my, one last *last* post, doublejack is too funny.
You like quotes , don't you doublejack? Don't you?
Lets see what I can find on internet, and no I won't quote you, you haven't wrote anything that's worth quoting t'll now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("A site with much more expertise-know-how and 'seniority' than some totally unknown Scott Granneman senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. from St. Louis @ but REALLY a Cie wordwide known, not some random quoting here doublejack, this is the real real real stuff")
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....
security productivity good stabile fast
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....[/b]
It's on TeH internet, must be true.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...es/default.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/experiences/default.mspx)
And some zillion other reasons why MS Vista is TeH best EVAH.
So get your sorry arse on Vista doublejack, get it on it.
It's wroty-writy on TeH intehnet.

Once again my last post.

But say, doublejack, when surfing on TeH intehnet, don't you have to download bits of stuffies on your shoe-box?

Whoopsy, not shoe-box , Ubu-box, wasn't it? You're on a Ubu-box. *U*b*u*-*b*o*x*.

My last post in this topic, really.
lmao.
[/b][/quote]

This is unintelligible gibberish. If you care to make a post with a point to it, I'll give a proper response. Until then, I'll just let you post away. You're doing a fine job of discrediting yourself without any help from me.

Oh, and if you had bothered even looking at the link in my message - which I know for a fact you didn't - then you would have noticed that the info on Mr. Granneman was not written by me. It was copied verbatim from the page I linked. You would also know that that wasn't some random quote taken from the web, but in fact a published paper.

What can I say, I have made several valid points and you make silly person comments (which started the whole thing BTW). Debate over. And the ultimate proof that I'm right is my computer. Gee whiz, no rootkits, no viruses, and it runs perfectly fine. Maybe if I were a gullible moron then just maybe I would need some protection. Alas, I'm not, so I don't.

[dosraider]

You want a post with a nice point doublejack? OK, here you have a nice point:

"You can have all the buttsex you want unprotected, aslong as you know what you're doing you won't get AIDS and your behind will be fine."

That's whats your postings points out.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 10:17 AM) 310246</div>
You want a post with a nice point doublejack? OK, here you have a nice point:

"You can have all the buttsex you want unprotected, aslong as you know what you're doing you won't get AIDS and your behind will be fine."

That's whats your postings points out.
[/b]

Horribly flawed analogy. This is what I'm saying:

A computer with Windows is like someone with AIDS, go into a public place and you're sure to catch something unless you take measures. A computer with linux on the other hand is like someone with a healthy auto immune system. They can freely interact in public places without much concern of getting sick.

[dosraider]

*without much concern*
But that's now exactly the whole point of our little chatsession doublejack.

It's not *without concern*, but it is:
*without much concern*

Not UNprotected as you said.

Ubu box or not, you still need protection, and if you state you don't need some basic protection, you are:
or a liar
or a brainless parrot
or more sheep than the window users (who probably can't use some other OS, but there is no need to spit on them, lots of those windows users have qualities that we can only dream about having them).

And even if you're indeed not a 'target' for pro hackers, you're still one for the 10-12 years old who gonna use their snuffbots to be a big show off to their n00b friends.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 10:54 AM) 310257</div>
*without much concern*
But that's now exactly the whole point of our little chatsession doublejack.

It's not *without concern*, but it is:
*without much concern*

Not UNprotected as you said.

Ubu box or not, you still need protection, and if you state you don't need some basic protection, you are:
or a liar
or a brainless parrot
or more sheep than the window users (who probably can't use some other OS, but there is no need to spit on them, lots of those windows users have qualities that we can only dream about having them).

And even if you're indeed not a 'target' for pro hackers, you're still one for the 10-12 years old who gonna use their snuffbots to be a big show off to their n00b friends.
[/b]

*without concern*

If you are *without concern* then you are either:

a moron
or a brainless parrot
or an idiot sheep

There is no such thing as a perfectly safe computer. You can have every piece of protection in the world and run some exotic custom OS, and if someone wants in bad enough, guess what? They'll get in. Ergo, I use the term *without much concern* because it describes the situation precisely.

The bottom line: My "unprotected" ubuntu box is as secure, if not more secure, than 99.999999999% of the Windows boxes out there that have protection.

-edit

Just to complete and address your other point. No, I do not have nor do I need any protection. The design of linux combined with my awareness is enough to keep my computer free of any virus/rootkit/malware/etc. Sorry to disappoint you, but that truth doesn't make me a liar, it makes you wrong. And while I know my machine isn't guaranteed to stay malware free, I also know that additional protection won't guarantee anything either.

[dosraider]

I think we both can agree on at least one point, further discussion is void and futile.
Good luck with your Ubu_box.
:cheers:

Dosraider out, and *really* out now.

[ianfreddie07]

Our new PC:

Intel Core 2 Duo 1.87GHz
Inno3D GeForce 8500 GT
2x Kingston 1GB RAM
Seagate 250GB HDD
Asus P5S-MX SE MotherBoard

Now the protection:

Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium
SpywareBlaster
Ad-Aware 2007
AOL Active Security Monitor
COMODO Firewall Pro

[SixApes]

PC protection? Why do I care if people see what I have?

*shrugs*

I used to care... went through the whole bit of numerous packages for "safety".... then... suddenly ---- i realized I don't have any kiddie porn or top secret government docs.... so whats the point. Been running a couple of servers for a few years now.... once again... who cares?! Never had a problem with anything other than bots... and if something happens... the partition with my OS just gets restored via the image.... presto... no worries. Call.... reset the IP....

Just buy a router and relax. Enjoy your real life for a moment..

[thebes]

:blink:

OK.
Firewall
Webroot Spysweeper with Sophos antivirus
Windows Defender (helped me get rid of a hijacker)
Spyware Begone
SBC Yahoo online protection(spyware only)
Webroot Windows Washer
Used to use Norton but decided just to go with Webroot.

I think I can safely say I repesent the non-computer savvy type person that needs this stuff. ^_^

[DeathDude]

Let's See

Kerio 2.15 Firewall (Older program but used with updated rulesets, haven't had a problem with it since I started using it 3 years ago)
Spybot Search and Destroy 1.5
Ad-Aware 2007
Spywareblaster
HijackThis
Process Explorer
CCleaner
Regseeker 1.45

I'd say I'm pretty well protected against most threats.

[Japo]

You don't seem to have any antivirus, not even on-demand. Do you consider them unnecessary for you?

[DeathDude]

Oops that would be my bad, I do actually have an Anti Virus program, a lot of the time I forget about it mainly since do keep an eye on my processes from time to time and the firewall does handle of lot of the incoming and outgoing traffic, I use AVG Anti Virus, been using it since 2001 and has not let me down since.

[GTX2GvO]

Since it's now necessary for my Desktop to be protected from to Big Bad Internet.
<in Dr Frankenstein voice: "It is On line!!" :brain: >

Avast anti virus 4.7
Comodo Firewall Pro
Ad-aware SE Professional :sneaky:
FireFox ^_^

Any suggestions to keep it a bit more safe??
(without any costs of course :max: )

[dosraider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GTX2GvO @ Oct 1 2007, 10:12 AM) 314077</div>
Any suggestions to keep it a bit more safe??
(without any costs of course :max: )
[/b]
Don't allow yourself on your keyboard.
You are the greatest risk for your PC around.
:bleh:

[GTX2GvO]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Oct 1 2007, 11:49 AM) 314101</div>Don't allow yourself on your keyboard.
You are the greatest risk for your PC around.
:bleh: [/b]

Try to tell me something I DIDN'T knew already. <_<

Without The format program. ^_^ </span>)</span>

[DeathDude]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(GTX2GvO @ Oct 1 2007, 02:12 AM) 314077</div>
Since it's now necessary for my Desktop to be protected from to Big Bad Internet.
<in Dr Frankenstein voice: "It is On line!!" :brain: >

Avast anti virus 4.7
Comodo Firewall Pro
Ad-aware SE Professional :sneaky:
FireFox ^_^

Any suggestions to keep it a bit more safe??
(without any costs of course :max: )
[/b]

Spybot Search and Destroy 1.5, free of charge of course, its always good to have at least a minimum of two different spyware searching programs on your system because Ad-Aware does not always catch every varient of spyware out there, and vice versa with spybot.

[ianfreddie07]

Call Me REALLY Crazy!

1. Avira AntiVir Personal Edition Premium
2. Ad-Aware 2007 Pro
3. Webroot SpySweeper 5.5
4. SpyBot Search And Destroy 1.5
5. CCleaner
6. EasyCleaner
7. COMODO Firewall Pro

Edit: Oh, and FireFox too :)

[Dave]

@doublejack & dosraider: I didn't want to create panic with my assertion about Ubuntu, but now with Linux I'm feeling safe.

Well, with windows I had to run about 5 programs (Antivirus, Antispyware, Antimalware, Firewall)...my machine was suffering like a little car with 5 fat men inside.
And everyday there was a new problem or a new virus to combat with.
Personally I have to say that Linux isn't immediate to use and to understand, but I never had problems until now. :)

[dosraider]

Panic? ....Panic?....
Naaaaa, just a little discussion, that's all.
And Linuxes are safier, that's a fact.
But not invulnerable.

In fact the greatest risk aren't the pro_hackers when you're on Linux, it is those idiot pubers who are bored and snuffing around to find a random unprotected Linux PC.

Oh, I'm out of here ...... this is an endless discussion anyway.


:)

[DeathDude]

I think for either pc, linux, or macs, the main idea is that you just be careful around the net, don't go to any questionable sites, and if you are unsure about a site when searching, skip it, and even just a once a week scan virus wise and spyware wise or even every two weeks, shall keep things in check. :)

[_r.u.s.s.]

curious people have more experience :P

[dosraider]

Curious people have more really weird cyberpron experiences.
:blink:


Corrected. Yep. That's better.

[_r.u.s.s.]

*checks for spyware on his messengers*

[Japo]

The new version of Comodo Firewall is out.

http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/comodo_firewall_pro_3_has_been_released-t14915.0.html;msg104362#msg104362

http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/

Pretty impressive actually. Arguably the best firewall and the best HIPS, for free and low on resources usage. You may not want to install the HIPS ("Defense+") if you like set-and-forget, but it will give you extra security and it's pretty intelligent and less noisy than other HIPS.

[nedela]

Ups....

Yeah defence+ keeps on checking the files... I disabeled it. but there is still too many messages popping up (maybe it's just cause it's new).

as for firewall i don't like how the changed the list of programs where you give them internet access. it looks a bit messier now.

Also does Comodo now recognise Skype, YahooMessanger etc by itself or did i mess up with setting and give him permission to allow all? :-O


still a nice firewall with plenty of features for FREE.

[Japo]

It all depends on the settings. The default ones after a default installation are designed to make it less noisy. Even the HIPS, since those are remarkable for their noisiness. But true not everybody will want a HIPS even a not so noisy one, although it adds a great deal of security for the paranoid out there. You can opt out the HIPS during installation.

The default setting for the firewall is "train with safe mode". In this setting it allows (and remembers creating rules) for programs within Comodo's database of "safe" ones. If you want the traditional, noisier setting where you're asked about every new access, change the setting to "custom policy mode". Also there's a "training mode" which you can select temporarily so you don't have to deal with popups, it allows and remembers for every new access, so it's designed to be selected when you're certain that only legit acesses will take place, so that the rules are created automatically and you don't have to worry about it.

The HIPS, since it's more likely to overwhelm a user with popups, has an additional setting between "train with safe mode" and "training mode", called "clean PC mode". It's like "train with safe" only that all the programs installed in your computer before CFP was installed, scanned at the time of installation, are considered safe, not only the ones in Comodo's database. So if your computer was already clean when you installed CFP, this setting will keep it that way the same that the "train with safe mode", and you will be asked only about newly installed programs. Also when you run an installer you can answer the popup by "treating as installer", then you're asked if you want to temporarily switch to "installing mode", then the installed files will be trusted in the future; after a while CFP prompts for you to swtich back from installing mode.

Another nice feature of Defense+ (the HIPS) is that it can protect programs from termination, since many malware try to kill your antivirus before they attack elsewhere. So you no longer must rely on each and every of your security programs to be strong against maliciuos termination, you can make D+ defend them all. It also can defend important files and the Windows registry from malicious modification.

But if you're interested about how it works and its full features you should read its help file, it's very informative.

[_r.u.s.s.]

Well, with windows I had to run about 5 programs (Antivirus, Antispyware, Antimalware, Firewall)...my machine was suffering like a little car with 5 fat men inside.
And everyday there was a new problem or a new virus to combat with.
i run xp with about 0 programs and my machine is all right like little baby with 5 fat breasts feeding it outside :P

(and default firewall off as well)

[nedela]

thanks for the info japo. i will take time to have a look at the help file for defense+. right now i disabeleed it, cause it was making too much veryfying. i plant to enable it later, but i have to read the instructions first.
since my wife also uses the computer i don't want to have too many popup messages with decisions popping up. so far the firewall seems to be recognisisng most programs because i remembered that i sued clean PC option at install. but it did make one pop up (can't remember which programe, but i think it was avira update). it suggested that programme is safe so i confirmed and it all works well.

next weekend i plan to do a bit of monitoring on how many blocked transmissions are there.
torrents seems to work ok, vulnerable ports are also closed. or so it seems.

so all i need is learn how to use defence+ because it seems like a good protection. i am being a bit paranoid because the other person in LAN is not really that good with computers (i already need to install him a spamfilter) and also the IP provider is not amongh the best we have. especially security wise.

[Japo]

By the way CFP 3 is working well with most people including everyone I know, but judging from the Comodo forums it seems there are some bugs that may cause problems in particular configurations. They weren't caught before the release because none of the beta testers had the conflictive setups. So it may be a good idea to wait for an update or two, althout for me and most people it's working okay. You can always do a system restore or a bakcup image.

Also you can resort to the Comodo forums for all questions including P2P etc. Since it's a free product, support is provided in the forums --and I'll say that it works way better than a dedicated hotline anyway.

By the way my current security setup is:

Firewall and HIPS: Comodo Firewall Pro 3 with Defense+.
Resident antimalware: Avira AntiVir, Comdo BOClean.
On demand scanners installed: AVG AntiSpyware, Kaspersky online.

Everything free. There are other free self-contained (no installation) scanners such as CureIt!, I haven't used any but they may come handy some day. Also I run Windows as limited user and everything (JavaScript etc.) is blocked by default in the browser except for trusted sites. Actually I've never got infected (*crosses fingers*).

[nedela]

i am not running it on such a paranioid mode. still i don't think i got infected (because programmes never found anything...). i think mostly you just need to watch which sites you use and that helps a lot.
i do remeber getting a nasty one some time ago. not really a virus... it popped up naughty sites... but i had 98 then and i think some programme i ofund on net was the only one that detected and removed the bastard. no antivirus, spybot, adware or similar didnt' not detect it. just one programme designed to target this specific nastiness. and clean it up. since then no more problems.

but it's good to do some periodic clean up & scan of the PC i guess...

[Japo]

i am not running it on such a paranioid mode.
Running as limited isn't an inconvenience to me... :D even Microsoft advises it. As for JavaScript, it's no big deal either, I'm in the same old sites 99 per cent of the time and it's enabled for those that need it. Also I only need cookies for the sites where I want to log in, and I save myselft the tracking ones.

I don't scan regularly either, I defrag more often actually. Most times I just scan manually P2P downloads, or the system if the computer will be idle for a long while and I haven't scanned in months. The programs are more just in case I some day feel something's wrong, but they never detect anything not even cookies. :)

[nedela]

i undersatand you...

actualyl i am the worst virus computer had. because one time in Win98 i overrided the read only protocols and deleted some system files. i thought they were just temp files and wanted to gain a bit disk space...

[GTX2GvO]

What? That's Nothing!!
20 minutes after I started my (second hand) win 95 PC I was Forced to use a boot disk cause the PC didn't even wanted to start!!!

Never know what I actually did, but I do know I was the reason.

[Scatty]

Seeing as some users here are using the COMODO Firewall Pro I decided to give it a go to maybe and hopefully improve the protection I had so far. After the free version of ZoneAlarm (which I thought was a good program) failed utterly to withstand even the first of 3 tests of Comodo Parent Injection Leak Test Suite (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/onlinetest.html?currency=USD&region=Australasia&country=AU) I removed that piece of junk and installed Comodo instead, and guess what - it is much better than ZoneAlarm.
So whoever uses the free version of ZoneAlarm - if you want a good protection you'd be better off replacing ZoneAlarm with Comodo Firewall Pro instead, especially since that one is free too.

[Juanca]

All recomendations are very good... i have two more to ad
never let anything to automatically update (first of all windows update)
never let your computer connected to the internet if you are not in front of it or watching it from time to time

[gregor]

Seeing as some users here are using the COMODO Firewall Pro I decided to give it a go to maybe and hopefully improve the protection I had so far. After the free version of ZoneAlarm (which I thought was a good program) failed utterly to withstand even the first of 3 tests of Comodo Parent Injection Leak Test Suite (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/onlinetest.html?currency=USD&region=Australasia&country=AU) I removed that piece of junk and installed Comodo instead, and guess what - it is much better than ZoneAlarm.
So whoever uses the free version of ZoneAlarm - if you want a good protection you'd be better off replacing ZoneAlarm with Comodo Firewall Pro instead, especially since that one is free too.

Unless if you have pay for version of Zone Alarm which is just as good as comodo.
But comodo is free!

[DeathDude]

I still believe that Zonealarm whether free or not, is still pretty basic compared to a lot of firewalls out there, it does a decent job if your just looking at basic security, and monitoring your connections that are incoming and outgoing, but if you want more comprehensive protection, especially when monitoring and defining particular areas of security, and having more control and the flexibilty in these areas, there are much better firewalls out there, just have to search to see which one is right for you.

[Japo]

According to leaktests ZoneAlarm Pro is actually good, although not the best. ZoneAlam free is lousy however.

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php#result-table

The top contenders are still Comodo, Jetico and Outpost Pro, but now there's Online Armor, which I hadn't heard about. Anyway only this Online Armor and Comodo are for free, the free versions of Jetico and specially Outpost are much poorer.

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php#firewalls-ratings

Anyway these tests are about outbound protection, which is relevant basically in the case that the computer has already been infected. Also outbound protection means that the firewall will be asking the user, and that's not for everybody. But if someone doesn't want this but inbound protection only, he'd better leave the Windows firewall.

[Juanca]

Anyone has anything to say about the COMODO ANITVIRUS?
it is also free, then one could run
comodo: firewall, antimalware and antivirus.
is this a good choice, or do you recomend mixing with different brands?

i read some people recomend to have at least two different antimalware and antivirus.
as a summary:
most recomended programs on this thread are
Avira Antivir
COMODO Bo clean
COMODO FIREWALL PRO
Adaware SE

Am i missing any other on the group of freeware?

[dosraider]

AVG freeware edition.
AVG a-vir is updated automatically, real time protection.
The a-spy must updated and runned manually, but is fully functional.
They're not ressource demanding, and fast.
http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0

Eventually as extra: Spybot 1.5
http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10122137.html

[Japo]

Anyone has anything to say about the COMODO ANITVIRUS?
it is also free, then one could run
comodo: firewall, antimalware and antivirus.
is this a good choice, or do you recomend mixing with different brands?

i read some people recomend to have at least two different antimalware and antivirus.
as a summary:
most recomended programs on this thread are
Avira Antivir
COMODO Bo clean
COMODO FIREWALL PRO
Adaware SE

Am i missing any other on the group of freeware?
There's nothing wrong in using most of the products from the same vendor, and I've got a very good opinion about Comodo BOClean, heard some testimonials from people who were saved by it and it works in a way unlike any other product.

Comodo Antivirus is beta right now and besides its detection rates are quite bad. But I'll be definitely checking it out as soon as the final release is out. It shouldn't be long before version 3 is released, first as beta but shortly thereafter it will be finally released I think. Until then I'm definitely sticking with Avira, the free version's AV protection is as good as the premium one, and it's got some of the best detection ratings out there even compared to paid products; it's actually above any other product, including the top paid solutions such as Kaspersky and NOD32, regarding detection of 0-day threats.

[Lucullus]

My configuration for protection is:
Avast Antivirus home edition with all 7 shields customized
Spywareblaster with weekly update
Spybot S&D (updated and run weekly)
Adaware SE (updated and run weekly)
Firewall on Router, Windows Firewall
Firefox for browsing

up to date I have not had any incidents and I also believe that a way to keep yourself protected is to be smart about what you click on. I always check where the link takes me and also I always say this to ppl I know, don't just click ok without reading what you are agreeing to.

[Scatty]

My current protection(s):
Comodo Firewall
Spyware Terminator with shield active
Avira Antivir
Crawler Toolbar - to block all suspicious or even dangerous sites / on-site advertisements
Disabled cookies for any site, allowed for only few necessary and trustworthy ones
-----------------------------------------
Result: 0 Spyware / Virus cases constantly

[Jerry123]

My system is very similar to many of you:
Firefox
Avira Antivir

However, I recently discovered something new - which I would like to try out: a sandbox (www.sandboxie.com)
This software allows you to install Windows program and run them in a closed environment. It is not an emulator like dosbox: The program within the sandbox runs at native speed, it is just restricted in what it can do, it can use your hardware (so you can use sandboxie for 3D games) and so on. But all things the program writes to disk are transparently moved into a separate folder.
Now, when you close the sandbox, all changes the program within it has made to your system are deleted.

I think this sounds interesting, you could play around with whatever software you like, dangerous or not, and as soon as you stop the sandbox, all changes are deleted...

Anybody tried something like this? I would be very interested to hear about how it went.

[gregor]

hmm what about those games that are said to overwrite some directX .dll files? does sandboxie delets them after you stop it?

[Jerry123]

Good question about DirectX. I can only quote what I read in the forums over there, but it seems that you cannot put system files within a sandbox. So unfortunately, my guess is: no. The same goes for drivers and such things. They are probably too low-level. On the other hand, it seems that copy protection schemes work inside sandboxie, and things like StarForce and Securom are also very low-level, so I guess it is worth a try.

In any case, I didnt try this yet but I am definitely going to. There is a forum thread by one guy who seems to run Crysis within the sandbox (!!!) :nuts:. If that works, anything works (at least performance-wise)...

[Japo]

I've heard about Sandboxie and it must be good, you can choose what programs to run within the sandbox (browsers etc.) and what not to. Anyway I consider it overkill for me, considering I use a limited user account and even a HIPS program --which I could really do without I think...

[Jerry123]

About DirectX: The good thing is that if a game tries to overwrite system files within the sandbox, it should not succeed - so it probably wont run, but it also wont be able to corrupt your system.

[gregor]

ah that's the failsafe then... well it certainly sounds interesting. kind of virtual maschine without the lag.

[Japo]

ah that's the failsafe then... well it certainly sounds interesting. kind of virtual maschine without the lag.
Yes I think it's based on virtualization, only that for this special purpose.

[Jerry123]

Anyway I consider it overkill for me, considering I use a limited user account and even a HIPS program --which I could really do without I think...

Please tell me, what is a HIPS program? Never heard of it. It is amazing how many things there are. Friend of me has a Mac, obviously a good-looking machine, but the poor guy has no idea what he is missing... all the nice security measures we have in the pc world :laugh:

[dosraider]

Please tell me, what is a HIPS program?
http://www.hips.org/
The Peer Education Program Coordinator facilitates the participation of sex worker peer educators in HIPS’ Peer Education Program, currently targeting, women, transgender women and men who engage in sex work in Washington, D.C. The Director develops the programs in consultation with the Director of Programs and the Executive Director and works collaboratively as part of the HIPS team.


....... Or more likely:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/H/HIPS.html

Short for host-based intrusion prevention system, HIPS is an IPS or intrusion prevention system designed for security over host-based systems where intrusions and infections are dealt with at the individual workstation level to provide a more effective level of security.

[Japo]

Well simply put, a HIPS is like a firewall, but for the CPU instead of a network. Any program that's run has to pass its monitoring. The techniques vary, some HIPS programs don't allow anything that is not in its safelist or untill the user tells that's okay, others try to detect fishy behaviour...

I've recently read in several different sources that Apple's commercial success is nearing the point where it will start to be targeted by crimeware. Actually one of them was a pice of news from the BBC that talked about a porn website that tried to install a trojan codec in Windows machines, but if it detected a Mac it offered the Mac version of the trojan. And now with Vista Windows is no longer inherently much less safe than Mac or Linux as Windows 9X was.

[Scatty]

There's still enough choice aside of the more well-known, "little-targeted" systems to remain pretty much safe from most viruses and spyware.

[Jerry123]

The HIPS systems sound interesting :amused:
Especially the CPU firewall thing. But I guess it would be bad for me. I am a litte paranoid already. If I head to deal with tons of reports and warnings from such a program, I would probably be too afraid to switch on the computer at all.. Just looking at the windows error report log makes me nervous.

But in the meantime, Id like to share my findings with www.sandboxie.com

In short, the software is amazing. I had a few older games lying around which I wanted to try out again anyway. So the list is more or less by accident, but still interesting, I think:
Alien Vs. Predator
Alien Vs. Predator 2
Red Faction
Red Faction 2
Quake 2

They all run flawlessly within Sandboxie. Should work with more modern games, too. Technically, it is all the same.

Take care to install them within the sandbox, however. It is quite easy: Once Sandboxie is installed, you get an explorer extension (right mousebutton) which says "run sandboxed". You then run the setup.exe of the game or application or whatever and it installs.

The software thinks, its installed inside your Progams directory, registry and everything. However it is just sitting inside the sandbox. Once you empty the sandbox, everything is gone. Really nice.

You can have problems with games which install their own system files, however. DirectX would be an example. But that is usually easy to overcome: Just install the software they need not-sandboxed before installing the game.

A DirectX installer should then recognize that the needed version is already installed, and let you finish the rest of the installation of the game.

[Jerry123]

One problem about Sandboxie, though: It works by modifying the Windows kernel, it seems. And that means you cannot use it on Windows Vista 64-Bit (Vista 32-Bit works, though).

The author states on his website that Microsoft still forbids such changes to the Vista kernel. The upcoming Service Pack 1 for Vista brings some way for security firms to modify the Windows kernel (for virusscanners and such), but apparently not enough for Sandboxie.

For me, personally, that is very annoying. I run Vista 64-Bit and I like it, and I would love to use Sandboxie. As things are, I have to dual-boot into Windows XP to use it. Really a sad thing. Sandboxie is only 335 KB in size!!! It is such a small, elegant solution, and very practical. I think Microsoft should have built something like this into Vista from the beginning. They did with Internet Explorer 7, as you may know: They introduced a "low permissions" class of files which works exactly like a sandbox. IE puts its files there and it itself runs as such a "low permissions" kind of software. So theoretically if something bad in the Internet attacks IE on your computer, the changes cannot get out of this kind of sandbox. Good idea, but unfortunately it is not user-customizable. I really wish Microsoft would be a little more user-friendly.

Well, anyway. It is just annoying to stumble about a nice piece of software like sandboxie and then find out that MS has just prevented you from using it on your everyday OS.

[Japo]

I don't know if the problem is about Vista enforcing prevention of kernel alterations, or that Microsoft doesn't provide his former "trusted partners" (security companies) with detailed information on the kernel, because of fear that the information might reach malware makers, for whom it would be then easier to produce malware just like it's easy for the trusted partners to produce security software because of that information. I thnk I heard about the latter case a lot when Microsoft released Vista and changed the policy. However some companies already have Vista solutions, so any should be able if it tries hard enough; and they'd better do because neglecting Vista would of course be a suicide for the near future.

Please, how do you enable that option in IE7 you talk about?

[Jerry123]

Hi Japofran! IE7 sandbox behavior is enabled by default on Vista (the only Windows where you can have this). You should see a message like "Protected Mode: Active" in the righthand corner of your IE window. If you see "off", then that means you are currently running some plugin which requires full access to your drive.

More about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_7

http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=716676&SiteID=17

[Japo]

Ah OK I have IE7 but WinXP. Anyway that's not sandboxing, that's running the browser with limited rights. I already do everything including of course Internet browsing, except the necessary installations and such, from a limited user account, it's not the default setting in XP but I created it long ago (it's very easy, just go to Control Panel and click-click), everybody should do that in Vista as well as in XP, but most don't.

[Juanca]

The HIPS systems sound interesting :amused:
Especially the CPU firewall thing. But I guess it would be bad for me. I am a litte paranoid already. If I head to deal with tons of reports and warnings from such a program, I would probably be too afraid to switch on the computer at all.. Just looking at the windows error report log makes me nervous.

But in the meantime, Id like to share my findings with www.sandboxie.com

In short, the software is amazing. I had a few older games lying around which I wanted to try out again anyway. So the list is more or less by accident, but still interesting, I think:
Alien Vs. Predator
Alien Vs. Predator 2
Red Faction
Red Faction 2
Quake 2

They all run flawlessly within Sandboxie. Should work with more modern games, too. Technically, it is all the same.

Take care to install them within the sandbox, however. It is quite easy: Once Sandboxie is installed, you get an explorer extension (right mousebutton) which says "run sandboxed". You then run the setup.exe of the game or application or whatever and it installs.

The software thinks, its installed inside your Progams directory, registry and everything. However it is just sitting inside the sandbox. Once you empty the sandbox, everything is gone. Really nice.

You can have problems with games which install their own system files, however. DirectX would be an example. But that is usually easy to overcome: Just install the software they need not-sandboxed before installing the game.

A DirectX installer should then recognize that the needed version is already installed, and let you finish the rest of the installation of the game.

Sounds very interesting, i am going to give it a try!

[Juanca]

Yes YEs yes , Russ I am necromancing this thread.....:tongue:


Well, I am doing this because AdAware Se is no longer supported with definitions since a couple of weeks and I would like some advice on a good antispyware for free that doesn't take too many resources

Right now for proteccion I have Avira antivir 8 (not the las version which is 9), Comodo Bo clean, Comodo firewall, and windows xp's firewall, I run on windows xp sp2. For browser I use firefox sandboxed.
I don't care very much if the antspyware is not a live resident, but a care more on the completness of the definitions, how accurate it is, and low resources demands.

Any suggestion?

[Wicky]

I only use Zonealarm Firewall and that's because my PC is for gaming and I don't want any resource eaters.
I had a few times problems, then I google for a removal tool.

[_r.u.s.s.]

i believe he wanted an ad remover. i suggest spybot search and destroy. no crap, free, no million background processes, just spyware detection and browser protection, with worldwide mirrors on different universities and different organizations

by the way get rid of comodo firewall, comodo "bo" clean, and avira, now that you locked you're holes in different topic you're not under a thread

[Juanca]

i believe he wanted an ad remover. i suggest spybot search and destroy. no crap, free, no million background processes, just spyware detection and browser protection, with worldwide mirrors on different universities and different organizations

by the way get rid of comodo firewall, comodo "bo" clean, and avira, now that you locked you're holes in different topic you're not under a thread

wow so you really mean that I don't need the comodo firewall? And about the bo clean and the avira, you never know, you can download some file and it could be infected even if your holes are closed, right?
....I must admit that until now I have never found any thread on my computer, or detected any virus (only false positives)

[_r.u.s.s.]

if you have the security holes locked, you shouldn't need a firewall for daily threads

[Maxor127]

Antivir, Spybot S&D, and Spywareblaster. Occasionally, I'll run a-squared. I used to use AVG but didn't like the new version. And I used to use Ad-aware, but it stopped working for some reason so I uninstalled it since I never really used it anymore.

[Xhumed]

Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware is getting good reviews, the free version only does manually activated scans and needs manually updating which is no big deal and you can pay for real-time malware protection and auto updates but if you also run AVG free version 8 that has a real-time resident shield which I find works well and it also has a link scanner that tells you if any of the sites returned by a google search have anything nasty waiting to attack you if you go there.
Be aware that AVG 8 needs windows SP3 installed on XP, it wouldn't install until I installed SP3.

http://download.cnet.com/Malwarebytes-Anti-Malware/3000-8022_4-10804572.html

AVG Free anti virus.
http://free.avg.com/download-avg-anti-virus-free-edition

[weylin]

Are ESET NOD32 and Spybot S&D any good? That's all I got at the moment.

[Xhumed]

Forgot to mention the excellent "Shields up" site, you can do a port test and various other security tests here.
Scroll down the page to the "shields up" section.
http://www.grc.com/default.htm

[Xhumed]

Are ESET NOD32 and Spybot S&D any good? That's all I got at the moment.

Spybot is good just keep it updated as with all programs of that type, can't comment on ESET NOD32 as I've not used it but it won CNET editors award so it must be pretty good:clap:
http://www.eset.com/company/article/ESET-Smart-Security-Wins-CNET-Editors%27-Choice-Award/5980.php?contentID=5980

[weylin]

How often should I do full scans with S&D and eset do you think?
weekly?

[riccso]

Are ESET NOD32 and Spybot S&D any good? That's all I got at the moment.

ESET is Perfect.I hadn't any problems with it.

[Phantom]

Linux-Ubuntu :whistling:

AmigaOS 4.1 :hihihi:

[Pellaeon]

F-Secure
Keiro-Sunbelt Firewall
Ad-Aware

No intuders, just some usual tracking cookies...

[Danny252]

Avast and some decent passwords on the network/router/etc.

Hell, I don't even know the router password... Probably not good

[_r.u.s.s.]

HINT: it's "admin"

[A12Alex]

lol nice one.

I use linux with firestarter(I prefer GUI based firewalls rather then terminal based), and with windows... Nod32, ZoneAlarm Pro, Spybot S&D and Ad-Aware.